Jan writes: ______________ I am quite reluctant to follow your interpretation that the Stoics thought the sage omniscient. For one thing, that would undercut...
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Keith Seddon
khs10uk
Apr 1, 2008 2:49 pm
Hello Gich, ... You need to read my post again. My post does not mention 'appropriate actions' or 'appropriate things'. ... You mentioned 'appropriate...
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Steve
marquis95960
Apr 1, 2008 3:49 pm
Kevin writes: ______________ I think that a key component is assent to the lekta or say-able portion of an impression. If it can be said, it can be understood....
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Apr 1, 2008 4:16 pm
... This is one reason that I have resisted the idea that virtuous action should be understood exclusively as action aiming at preferred indifferents, because...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Apr 1, 2008 4:42 pm
... This is not relevant to what I thought we were discussing. The fact that person P in situation S with experience-base E sees action A as best while person...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Apr 1, 2008 4:54 pm
... So be experiential knowledge you mean something like a sort of mystical experience where we suddenly grasp the ALL without getting there by means of...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Apr 1, 2008 11:29 pm
... I think that is the case, with choice being what is under our control and the action being the physical outcome. {I often use the terms interchangeably,...
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Steve
marquis95960
Apr 1, 2008 11:42 pm
Grant writes: ______________ The Sage is a member of the city guard. The barbarians swarm across the border and begin attacking his city, bent on rape, murder...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Apr 1, 2008 11:43 pm
... I can imagine possible variations on my scenario that would yield other results, but not many. I think the circumstances in which a) someone agrees to...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Apr 2, 2008 12:00 am
... You still seem to fail to appreciate my points. Point One: The Interpretive Point The Stoics thought that Sages were theoretically possible, but extremely...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Apr 2, 2008 1:31 am
... No, Steve. I thought I explicitly denied that this is what I was putting forward here. I was offering the idea that sometimes there's nothing more the...
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kevin11_c
Apr 2, 2008 2:02 am
All, Comments below in Bold (I responded earlier but it appears to have been lost) Steve wrote: ____________ __ OK. Suppose the Stoics thought that reality...
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Cor Van
fileflyer
Apr 2, 2008 2:25 pm
Grant, 1. You do not have to be a gnostic or become one. Zen, Satori, whatever, probably gives the same ' knowledge' or perhaps we should call it 'sensation'...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Apr 2, 2008 3:10 pm
... I absolutely agree--I did not mean 'behavior that others might think is reprehensible', I meant 'behavior that _is_ reprehensible, evil, vicious, or...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Apr 2, 2008 3:19 pm
... That's all I meant: by 'multiple' I meant 'more than one'. ... I'll try again. On my view, when there is usually only one appropriate action, it makes...
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Steve
marquis95960
Apr 2, 2008 3:47 pm
Grant writes: ______________ I was offering the idea that sometimes there's nothing more the Sage _needs_ to know. ______________ Ok. We will take this a...
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Malcolm Schosha
malcolmschosha
Apr 2, 2008 3:47 pm
Grant, All this discussion, in my view, amounts to discussing -- in detail -- the behavioral characteristics, and virtues, of the Phoenix. That is okay.....as...
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Nancy Garrett
chrys1943
Apr 2, 2008 4:02 pm
Somewhere in our canonical Stoic sources (Diogenes Laertius vii ??) there's a textual indication that appropriate actions not performed by the sage are not bad...
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Mark Travis
mtravis9
Apr 2, 2008 4:12 pm
I hope that you all will listen, because in my opinion, it cannot be not linked to stoicism. --Cor ... Keith's Stoic Serenity on page 71 describes (by way of...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Apr 2, 2008 5:04 pm
... I agree that any discussion of the perfect sage or the moral ideal is discussion of a possibly non-existent thing, and that the value of such discussions...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Apr 2, 2008 7:47 pm
... But some truths are not exhaustively causal. I think you're willing to grant what I'm about to say, but bear with me because I want to make sure we're on...
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Steve
marquis95960
Apr 2, 2008 10:49 pm
Grant writes: ______________ So, for example, it is possible that the truth '2+2=4' is somehow linked with all sorts of other truths in the web of the...
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Kevin
kevin11_c
Apr 2, 2008 11:14 pm
Grant I agree with this excerpt from one of your recent posts. It sums up well what I have been thinking on this issue "... Exterior consequences are never in...
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kevin11_c
Apr 3, 2008 12:20 am
Article Link <http://platonicrelationship.wordpress.com/2006/06/30/stoics-and-skeptic\ s-on-clear-and-distinct-impressions-m-frede/> Interesting article. Kevin...
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Malcolm Schosha
malcolmschosha
Apr 3, 2008 12:52 am
Grant wrote: But seems clear to me that Gich and I don't even approximately agree on the ideal, and so we cannot possibly make the same applications to our...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Apr 4, 2008 2:43 pm
... I agree. ... It is certain that the Stoics did not agree on everything, and possible that they did not agree on this point. I continue to hold that Gich's...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Apr 4, 2008 3:55 pm
... Are you arguing your own position, or interpreting the ancient Stoics here? I think there is good reason to believe that the ancients thought that some...
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betterdays4806
Apr 5, 2008 9:19 am
... wrote:Hello everyone, On my opinion sage is not omniscient, for by definition omniscient is infinite knowledge.I think that the only being that is...
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betterdays4806
Apr 5, 2008 9:46 am
... Hello everyone, For what I have read in Epictetus discourse, I think he's trying to say that we should act on what we are. For example: I am a human being-...
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Steve
marquis95960
Apr 5, 2008 4:15 pm
Sense Expereince; Certain or Not? My response To Grant's assertion he can know with certainty a Pepsi can is sitting on his desk: _______________ No you cannot...
