... There's a hadith where Mohammed says that he who resists oppression helps both himself and his oppressor. When someone asked how it helped the oppressor,...
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Malcolm Schosha
malcolmschosha
Feb 1, 2008 12:29 pm
Jan wrote: "End of story." ................................... Jan, You will understand, I hope, that I find your conclusion (essentially QED) to be...
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Mark Travis
mtravis9
Feb 1, 2008 2:09 pm
Thank you, Patrick, for serving our country, and for being willing to endure highly dispreferred indifferent situations for the sake of upholding your duties....
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jan.garrett@...
chrys1943
Feb 1, 2008 8:23 pm
I await it with bated breath. ... From: Malcolm Schosha <malcolmschosha@...> Date: Friday, February 1, 2008 6:30 Subject: [stoics] You are an Impression ...
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Leo Iermano
leoiermano
Feb 1, 2008 8:52 pm
This flies in the face of Stoicism. I would of thought that ignoring the bully and then alerting teachers on yard duty would be a better option. Robin Turner...
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Malcolm Schosha
malcolmschosha
Feb 1, 2008 8:54 pm
Jan wrote: "I await it with bated breath." ......................................................... Jan, I try, when participating in discussions on the...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Feb 1, 2008 9:20 pm
... It depends on the situation. The Stoic view is that bullying hurts the bully more than the victim, and so in one sense the appropriate response is pity. ...
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Steve
marquis95960
Feb 1, 2008 10:04 pm
Jan writes: ___________ . . . when the Stoics wish to evaluate an action, it seems to me, they would focus upon the intention side of it (the active state of...
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Leo Iermano
leoiermano
Feb 1, 2008 11:04 pm
Grant You make some very good points. I just don't like instilling into kids the notion that you go to fight your way out of everything. Maybe to ignore verbal...
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Yvonne Rathbone
yrathbone17
Feb 2, 2008 2:19 am
I've worked teaching self-defense to women and teens. The women often have great difficulty distinguishing between fighting and self-defense, but the teens...
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jan.garrett
chrys1943
Feb 2, 2008 4:16 am
Malcolm, it's up to you to return to the subject-matter. I did not try to make this thread a matter of the alleged moral failings of participants in the...
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cherokee_purple
Feb 2, 2008 6:24 am
This little sub-thread has gotten very interesting...I've read people's responses, and (from both reflection and personal experience) tend to side with the...
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Menno Rubingh
rubinghnl
Feb 2, 2008 11:28 am
Hello Tony/Edward/Jan, ... I found this book truly hugely interesting. Thank you very much for recommending it. I liked very much that Becker starts out from...
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Menno Rubingh
rubinghnl
Feb 2, 2008 3:53 pm
... Hello Tony, ... You have a point there, thank you. Zen-Buddhism, indeed, clearly seems to come from a less rationalistic world than Stoicism. I see now...
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Anthony Callan
vtcallan
Feb 2, 2008 4:04 pm
... You're welcome. This book has really inspired me to dive in to Stoicism with both feet. ... I agree with one caveat. I think, along with Edward and Jan,...
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Keith Seddon
khs10uk
Feb 2, 2008 7:32 pm
I have been asked: ************************************************************************ Do you know whether or not there is an association of stoics in ...
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Malcolm Schosha
malcolmschosha
Feb 2, 2008 11:53 pm
... ..................................... Don, Thanks for the list. I see that The Inner Discipline is available as a reprint, on Amazon. I would also suggest...
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jan.garrett
chrys1943
Feb 3, 2008 12:25 am
Menno, Regarding the interpretatio of the second half of the paragraph you quote from Lawrence Becker, I think he intends something closer to your first...
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Robin Turner
selgusni
Feb 3, 2008 12:10 pm
... That seems like a reasonable approach. When I mentioned "extreme violence", I was only talk about physical bullying - when I was a kid, we didn't even ...
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Donald Robertson
donjohnr
Feb 3, 2008 5:38 pm
... as a reprint, on Amazon. ... in thought. He was, I think, one of the great men of the 20th century...
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Anthony Callan
vtcallan
Feb 3, 2008 7:29 pm
... see ... all ... said ... things ... nature". ... it.'' ... only ... this ... satisfying. ... things ... Menno, I really like your explanations here. I...
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Leo Iermano
leoiermano
Feb 3, 2008 8:01 pm
Thanks for all your replies on this issue. As you have gathered in my past posts I try to bring Stoicism to a level that adapts to the many issues that are...
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Malcolm Schosha
malcolmschosha
Feb 3, 2008 9:22 pm
... .................................. Don, I do not think Assagioli was a Stoic, but many of his training techniques are easily for Stoics to adopt. Frankl, I...
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jan.garrett
chrys1943
Feb 3, 2008 10:25 pm
Is "follow nature" a precept in the sense of a concise verbalizable formula that can quickly call us back to a proper course of action in especially adverse...
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jan.garrett
chrys1943
Feb 4, 2008 12:19 am
No big disagreements here, but I want to remind you that you are using the term "right action" differently from the classical Stoic writers (the term...
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Donald Robertson
donjohnr
Feb 4, 2008 11:27 am
... imagination and the will come into conflict, imagination always wins. If that should be correct the entire Stoic project would be meaningless because, in...
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Donald Robertson
donjohnr
Feb 4, 2008 11:50 am
... formula that can quickly call us back to a proper course of action in especially adverse situations? ... be. If nature is equivalent to...
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Malcolm Schosha
malcolmschosha
Feb 4, 2008 12:49 pm
Hi Don, Thanks for the interesting answer. I will need some time to think about that. In my previous message I had not commented on what seemed to be your main...
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Kevin Collins
kevin11_c
Feb 4, 2008 5:21 pm
Malcolm, I think point number 2 requires some revision. My understanding is that Stoics believe people are always moved by what they think is good or bad....
