... Insult is a good example. If you are insulted in a foreign language you don't speak, you don't feel insulted and you don't get angry. In fact, even if you...
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Robin Turner
selgusni
Dec 1, 2007 12:29 pm
... Wouldn't most of these instinctive reactions be classified in Stoicism as propatheia? In such cases, there is no need to eliminate the feeling, just as...
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Amos
vivepablo
Dec 1, 2007 1:10 pm
Grant: I don't mean to quibble, because I basically agree with you, but when you say that you've never experienced an emotional response to an event...
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Sophia Shapira
sophia_shapira
Dec 1, 2007 1:53 pm
I could be wrong --- but I think that the chronological order of reaction to an experience is as follows: 1> Perception 2> Emotion 3> Reason If Stoicism is...
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Vicki Russell
vrussell001
Dec 1, 2007 2:45 pm
And then again, your animal instinct can get you in trouble. If you are driving down a snowy highway and the road turns and your car does not, animal instinct...
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Steve
marquis95960
Dec 1, 2007 4:53 pm
Sophia writes: __________________ I think that the chronological order of reaction to an experience is as follows: 1> Perception 2> Emotion 3> Reason If...
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Vicki Russell
vrussell001
Dec 1, 2007 11:03 pm
... gich2 <gich2@...> wrote: No, no, Vicki! It's only the _female_ 'animal instinct' that will tell you to turn the wheel in the direction you wish...
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jan.garrett
chrys1943
Dec 2, 2007 12:00 am
To say that something "might be the subject of scholarly debate" might mean that the writer is trying to encourage scholarly debate about them, not that there...
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jan.garrett
chrys1943
Dec 2, 2007 12:56 am
Does this response reflect an ambiguity in the term "belief"? In the liberal religious circles I sometimes frequent one often hears it said that religion is...
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jan.garrett
chrys1943
Dec 2, 2007 4:40 am
The Fox, The Grapes, and the Stoa: On Stoicism, Human Dignity, and Adaptive Preferences "Adaptive preferences" is a topic that comes up in discussions of...
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Daniel Strain
dtstrain
Dec 2, 2007 2:21 pm
... I believe this flies in the face of Stoic thought. While the above is a good summary of what most people think, the realization of Stoicism is that this is...
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Vicki Russell
vrussell001
Dec 2, 2007 3:50 pm
I can understand your reluctance, you never know who you are dealing with. I do think that caution can go a bit too far however. (Maybe go to a gas station to...
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Steve
marquis95960
Dec 2, 2007 4:30 pm
Amos asks Grant: __________________ . . . when you say that you've never experienced an emotional response to an event which you did not consider good or bad,...
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Steve
marquis95960
Dec 2, 2007 4:38 pm
Jan writes: __________________ However we might define the eupatheia, say, of joy, it could not be oriented toward an object (if it is oriented toward an...
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Vicki Russell
vrussell001
Dec 2, 2007 4:45 pm
I wonder about the pertinence of Dr. Trapp's comments about Paganism in his review of Keith's book. I feel a bit ill at ease commenting as I have not gotten to...
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Vicki Russell
vrussell001
Dec 2, 2007 4:49 pm
Here's the link: http://osdir.com/ml/education.publications.bryn-mawr-classical-review/2006-11/msg00011.html Vicki Russell <vrussell001@...> wrote: I...
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jan.garrett
chrys1943
Dec 2, 2007 11:24 pm
I have occasionally thought of them in that way myself, Steve. Short of a more thorough study of the evidence than I have time to conduct, I don't know how to...
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jan.garrett
chrys1943
Dec 2, 2007 11:29 pm
The post on the Fox, the Grapes, etc. didn't have anything to do with Dr. Trapp's review of Keith's book. It was an attempt to introduce a fresh topic. ... ...
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Steve
marquis95960
Dec 3, 2007 1:42 am
Jan writes: __________________ But ancient Stoicism seems to speak otherwise. It seems to say that if you are a slave, be the best slave you can be, which of...
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Steve
marquis95960
Dec 3, 2007 2:01 am
Gich writes: __________________ I think this is too simplistic. All the recent discussion on (controlled) emotion, and its role when dealing with challenging...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Dec 3, 2007 2:05 am
Perhaps I can combine my comments on three or four different posts into a single response. First, Gich: ... Stop right here--this is the key. What do you mean...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Dec 3, 2007 2:11 am
... I don't have a fraction of the background that you have on this subject, but why wouldn't eup. have as their objects _real_ goods and evils? So, for...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Dec 3, 2007 2:30 am
... I think it's either 'emotional response' or 'ethical terms' that's causing the problem. Or, perhaps, it's my own notorious aesthetic insensibility. I'm...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Dec 3, 2007 2:39 am
... I don't understand this. I don't understand how one situation can be 'more challenging' than another, except by reference to my judgment about the harsm...
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jan.garrett
chrys1943
Dec 3, 2007 2:43 am
Perhaps your solution to the question of the proper objects of the propatheiai is correct, so far as the classical Stoics who wrote about it are concerned. But...
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Sophia Shapira
sophia_shapira
Dec 3, 2007 2:52 am
Maybe we were using different terms to refer to the same thing. Though, the term "Judgement", as I understanding, refers to consciously making a decision as to...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Dec 3, 2007 3:02 am
... Steve has already addressed this, and I just wanted to second his comment. First, though, I should note the odd result that Stoicism here seems to align...
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Sophia Shapira
sophia_shapira
Dec 3, 2007 3:22 am
Here is how I would put it together: 1> Sensory perception (Actually seeing and hearing, etcetera) 2> Mental perception (Knowing what the situation means to...
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jan.garrett
chrys1943
Dec 3, 2007 4:22 am
I completely agree with your historical point about the ancient Stoics, that they did not regard the institution of slavery as unjust . . . to which we could...
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Leo Iermano
leoiermano
Dec 3, 2007 10:49 am
Hi All I have just finished reading "Mugshots 2" which deals with crime in Australia. I don't recommend you add to your libraries, however I was interested in...
