... It is true that much talk of virtue and vice is "a moralising net of stuff and nonsense," but I don't think that charge applies when we use those words ...
Thanks for this Gich. To me, the most significant aspect of what you've provided here, is that there *is* indeed a way for the stoic to praise and blame others...
Gich, I'd be honored to engage in a detailed dialog on my position. Perhaps, instead of a lengthy list of examples on each line of my post, you could be more...
Sorry, in the below post, "Paul" should have been "Peter". (Surely there is some pun I can use here concerning robbing Peter to pay Paul, but I've not thought...
Daniel / Paul wrote: "I very seriously doubt that Chrysippus and I would agree on everything - almost certainly not even on most things. I don't even know...
Daniel, You wrote, "This is not what the stoics speak of when they refer to a person's 'nature'. They use the word and concept in a different manner than you...
Daniel, He who moralises assumes he is somehow morally superior to others. With missionary zeal he seeks every opportunity to impose his morally superior...
Robin wrote: "As for doing things because we want to, of course this is why we do things. However, we have different, competing wants, and different levels of...
... But of course we should praise or blame "with reservation", since we can never truly know the opinion behind the act. Robin -- Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent...
I see that some people, especially Daniel and Steve, are talking about the idea of objective ethics. I recall that the last time we talked about what is...
... a variety of impelling forces... And, as Cleanthes had said, man is "free" to obey the universal law." [Hicks] ... Very good Peter. If it is not too...
Sorry Amos - I am guilty of not always specifying my words. I can at least tell you what I mean by the word (right or wrong), and in this perhaps Steve, Grant,...
Kevin, you must be referring to an earlier post. I see no reference to "diatribe" here (and I went through it twice). "Diatribe" in the context of Epictetus...
Peter writes: _______________ Steve wrote: "I just ate too much pizza. This was not a virtuous choice. It violated the virtues of moderation, courage, and...
Gich writes: _______________ An initial difficulty [that right and wrong corresponds to virtue and vice, SM] with this definition is that all actions cannot be...
Gich writes: _______________ I would not describe you eating too much pizza as a 'vicious choice'. In practice, I doubt whether it was a conscious 'choice' at...
Daniel wrote: "I also do not mean to suggest that they had the "intention of denying that something is in our power". Surely, many things are within our power....
Steve, We are all in the same boat. The pizza story you provided us with gave me the opportunity to argue that Stoicism tells us, i.e., Epictetean Stoicism,...
Gich, Very well, I'll give it a shot. I hope this is helpful :) ... Every single ethical norm we have now, if it is accurate to what is objectively ethical, is...
... definitions in post #16897 and in #16931. I am prepared to converse with you using either definition; your choice - so long as we stick with one and do not...
... If you substituted "chose" for "wanted", I would agree with this view completely. And, indeed, that's exactly how Long translates these passages. Other...
... For what it's worth, I am generally content with the definition of 'objective' included here. Daniel and I disagree significantly about _why_ Ethics is...
Jan, I was referring to a different post. Sorry you had to spend extra time looking for the word in question. I had adopted the position that Long gave on this...
... Indecision? Robin -- Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Üniversitesi Ankara, Turkey http://www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin http://solri.livejournal.com On 01/10/2007,...
Grant wrote: "If you substituted "chose" for "wanted", I would agree with this view completely. And, indeed, that's exactly how Long translates these...
Amos writes: _______________ I see that some people, especially Daniel and Steve, are talking about the idea of objective ethics. I recall that the last time...
Steve: You have a good memory. That's where I got confused the last time when we started to talk about whether so-called objective reality (that is,...
