... It is true that much talk of virtue and vice is "a moralising net of stuff and nonsense," but I don't think that charge applies when we use those words ...
16926
Daniel Strain
dtstrain
Oct 1, 2007 1:42 pm
Thanks for this Gich. To me, the most significant aspect of what you've provided here, is that there *is* indeed a way for the stoic to praise and blame others...
16927
Daniel Strain
dtstrain
Oct 1, 2007 1:48 pm
Gich, I'd be honored to engage in a detailed dialog on my position. Perhaps, instead of a lengthy list of examples on each line of my post, you could be more...
16928
Daniel Strain
dtstrain
Oct 1, 2007 1:49 pm
Sorry, in the below post, "Paul" should have been "Peter". (Surely there is some pun I can use here concerning robbing Peter to pay Paul, but I've not thought...
16929
peter
phrygianslave
Oct 1, 2007 1:58 pm
Daniel / Paul wrote: "I very seriously doubt that Chrysippus and I would agree on everything - almost certainly not even on most things. I don't even know...
16930
peter
phrygianslave
Oct 1, 2007 1:58 pm
Daniel, You wrote, "This is not what the stoics speak of when they refer to a person's 'nature'. They use the word and concept in a different manner than you...
16931
peter
phrygianslave
Oct 1, 2007 1:59 pm
Daniel, He who moralises assumes he is somehow morally superior to others. With missionary zeal he seeks every opportunity to impose his morally superior...
16932
peter
phrygianslave
Oct 1, 2007 2:13 pm
Robin wrote: "As for doing things because we want to, of course this is why we do things. However, we have different, competing wants, and different levels of...
16933
zadamaka
Oct 1, 2007 3:14 pm
This particular Pizza must have had more than 10 toppings in that the discussion about it still rage on.... :). ... to ... your...
16934
Robin Turner
selgusni
Oct 1, 2007 3:44 pm
... But of course we should praise or blame "with reservation", since we can never truly know the opinion behind the act. Robin -- Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent...
16935
Amos
vivepablo
Oct 1, 2007 4:17 pm
I see that some people, especially Daniel and Steve, are talking about the idea of objective ethics. I recall that the last time we talked about what is...
16936
Daniel Strain
dtstrain
Oct 1, 2007 4:45 pm
... a variety of impelling forces... And, as Cleanthes had said, man is "free" to obey the universal law." [Hicks] ... Very good Peter. If it is not too...
16937
Daniel Strain
dtstrain
Oct 1, 2007 4:54 pm
Sorry Amos - I am guilty of not always specifying my words. I can at least tell you what I mean by the word (right or wrong), and in this perhaps Steve, Grant,...
16938
jan.garrett@...
chrys1943
Oct 1, 2007 5:03 pm
Kevin, you must be referring to an earlier post. I see no reference to "diatribe"; here (and I went through it twice). "Diatribe"; in the context of Epictetus...
16939
Steve
marquis95960
Oct 1, 2007 5:47 pm
Peter writes: _______________ Steve wrote: "I just ate too much pizza. This was not a virtuous choice. It violated the virtues of moderation, courage, and...
16941
Steve
marquis95960
Oct 1, 2007 7:52 pm
Gich writes: _______________ An initial difficulty [that right and wrong corresponds to virtue and vice, SM] with this definition is that all actions cannot be...
16942
Steve
marquis95960
Oct 1, 2007 8:47 pm
Gich writes: _______________ I would not describe you eating too much pizza as a 'vicious choice'. In practice, I doubt whether it was a conscious 'choice' at...
16943
peter
phrygianslave
Oct 1, 2007 8:51 pm
Daniel wrote: "I also do not mean to suggest that they had the "intention of denying that something is in our power". Surely, many things are within our power....
16944
peter
phrygianslave
Oct 1, 2007 9:23 pm
Steve, We are all in the same boat. The pizza story you provided us with gave me the opportunity to argue that Stoicism tells us, i.e., Epictetean Stoicism,...
16945
Daniel Strain
dtstrain
Oct 2, 2007 1:43 pm
Gich, Very well, I'll give it a shot. I hope this is helpful :) ... Every single ethical norm we have now, if it is accurate to what is objectively ethical, is...
16946
Daniel Strain
dtstrain
Oct 2, 2007 1:50 pm
... definitions in post #16897 and in #16931. I am prepared to converse with you using either definition; your choice - so long as we stick with one and do not...
16947
Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Oct 2, 2007 1:59 pm
... If you substituted "chose" for "wanted", I would agree with this view completely. And, indeed, that's exactly how Long translates these passages. Other...
16948
Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Oct 2, 2007 2:04 pm
... For what it's worth, I am generally content with the definition of 'objective' included here. Daniel and I disagree significantly about _why_ Ethics is...
16949
Amos
vivepablo
Oct 2, 2007 2:36 pm
I'm intrigued. The word or abbreviation "lol" has appeared twice lately in this forum. What does it mean? Out of date, Amos...
16950
Kevin Collins
kevin11_c
Oct 2, 2007 2:43 pm
Jan, I was referring to a different post. Sorry you had to spend extra time looking for the word in question. I had adopted the position that Long gave on this...
16951
Robin Turner
selgusni
Oct 2, 2007 2:54 pm
... Laughing Out Loud. A variation is ROTFL: Rolling On The Floor Laughing. Robin -- Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Üniversitesi Ankara, Turkey ...
16952
Robin Turner
selgusni
Oct 2, 2007 4:08 pm
... Indecision? Robin -- Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Üniversitesi Ankara, Turkey http://www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin http://solri.livejournal.com On 01/10/2007,...
16953
peter
phrygianslave
Oct 2, 2007 4:56 pm
Grant wrote: "If you substituted "chose" for "wanted", I would agree with this view completely. And, indeed, that's exactly how Long translates these...
16955
Steve
marquis95960
Oct 2, 2007 6:46 pm
Amos writes: _______________ I see that some people, especially Daniel and Steve, are talking about the idea of objective ethics. I recall that the last time...
16956
Amos
vivepablo
Oct 2, 2007 10:27 pm
Steve: You have a good memory. That's where I got confused the last time when we started to talk about whether so-called objective reality (that is,...
