Jan, Below is my response: 4.0312 The possibility of propositions is based on the principle that objects have signs as their representatives. My fundamental...
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Dawn
darknesslight82
Aug 1, 2007 7:50 pm
-To me the soul is what keep your wiil in motion. The Man him self put us here for a purpose to live and see wha we do with our borrowed time.with out it there...
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Dawn
darknesslight82
Aug 1, 2007 8:00 pm
What are your views of a free spirit? Would you encourage a person that is one or would you stomp the flame that they carry. To me a free spirited a person is...
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Amos
vivepablo
Aug 2, 2007 12:31 am
Dawn: I'm not at all sure what you mean by a free spirit. I've known some people who called themselves free spirits who considered themselves above such...
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jan.garrett
chrys1943
Aug 2, 2007 12:33 am
I suspect you are not asking about the classical Stoic views on this topic. If you are, we can address that. My guess is that you are assuming a very modern,...
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Steve
marquis95960
Aug 3, 2007 8:49 pm
Dawn dares us: _______________ What are your views of a free spirit? Would you encourage a person that is one or would you stomp the flame that they carry. To...
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Steve
marquis95960
Aug 3, 2007 9:42 pm
I saw an obvious bias in the following statement of my previous post I would like to correct: _______________ Both unexamined contrariness and unexamined...
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murrell91910
Aug 3, 2007 10:33 pm
Hello Steve, Bravo! Loved your response to Dawn. Quite worthy and well thought-out. Respectfully, --Beatrix...
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Amos
vivepablo
Aug 4, 2007 2:40 am
Steve: I just like to add that Socrates, out of respect for the laws of Athens (Crito), laws which have unjustly condemned him to death, accepts his...
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Leo Iermano
leoiermano
Aug 4, 2007 4:10 am
Well put Steve... It is a common criticism of stoicism from my friends who argue that it is a philosophy that: Has no passion where followers sit on the fence...
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peter
phrygianslave
Aug 4, 2007 11:31 am
I wonder did Socrates really play by the rules? Wasn't he in fact a dangerous subversive, a threat to the rule of law, one who was openly opposed to democracy...
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Amos
vivepablo
Aug 4, 2007 2:47 pm
Good Morning Peter: Up to your old contrarian tricks again, I see. Socrates was a subversive, but not a traitor. There is a huge difference between...
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jan.garrett
chrys1943
Aug 4, 2007 5:21 pm
Perhaps it's not seriously off the mark to say that the essence of classical Stoicism is good character, or virtue, although the classical Stoics preferred to...
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peter
phrygianslave
Aug 4, 2007 5:43 pm
Hello Amos! Nice to hear from you. Yes, and there was me thinking I was the only contrarian on this forum when Jan confesses to having been one most of his...
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jan.garrett
chrys1943
Aug 4, 2007 5:46 pm
It's a tricky business trying to pin down Socrates, since we have to rely for our knowledge of him on others, in the case of Aristophanes a hostile witness,...
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peter
phrygianslave
Aug 4, 2007 8:47 pm
But according to Plato, in the Apology, Meletus charges Socrates with not believing in gods at all. Socrates doesn't actually deny the charge but in his usual...
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Amos
vivepablo
Aug 4, 2007 11:09 pm
"Men of Athens, I honor and I love you; but I shall obey God rather than you, and while I have life and strength, I shall never cease from the practice...
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jan.garrett
chrys1943
Aug 4, 2007 11:50 pm
You make a number of interesting points, Peter, and I think in your zeal for discovering dualism in many guises, you are onto something, namely, that almost...
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jan.garrett
chrys1943
Aug 5, 2007 12:00 am
Two quick points, Amos. The ancient Greek phrase "ho theos," literally translated as "the god," can be singular or general. Ho theos can mean the gods in...
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jan.garrett
chrys1943
Aug 5, 2007 1:48 am
I omitted a small but important word, here added.--JG You make a number of interesting points, Peter, and I think in your zeal for discovering dualism in many...
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peter
phrygianslave
Aug 5, 2007 11:06 am
"To Aeschylus, more than to any other, is due the conception of the supreme God, the "ruler of rulers," the " most blessed of the blessed," as a requiting, a...
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Steve
marquis95960
Aug 5, 2007 5:43 pm
Jan, when you or one of our other scholars post a general synopsis of part of classical Stoicism like this I check my own thinking to see if there are any...
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Steve
marquis95960
Aug 5, 2007 5:55 pm
Jan comments: You make a number of interesting points, Peter, and I think in your zeal for discovering dualism in many guises, you are onto something, namely,...
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jan.garrett
chrys1943
Aug 5, 2007 9:03 pm
This is essentially the prevailing Homeric conception of Zeus. There seems to be no real need, btw, for Gomperz' translator to capitalize "god." In German, the...
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jan.garrett
chrys1943
Aug 5, 2007 9:04 pm
Thank you for your feedback, Steve. Of course, if I slip up, you should let me know. ... From: Steve To: stoics@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007...
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jan.garrett
chrys1943
Aug 5, 2007 10:03 pm
Anyone who wants to understand the process by which the Greek thinkers came to critique popular conceptions of the gods and produced a refined polytheism must...
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Amos
vivepablo
Aug 6, 2007 12:00 am
Jan: Very interesting. I skimmed through the Stanford Encyclopedia article on Xenophanes. I see in my translation of Aristotle's Ethics, that of...
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jan.garrett
chrys1943
Aug 6, 2007 1:13 am
Amos, It's useful to distinguish between the idea of a single ultimate cause (which is relevant to physical explanation) and the idea of a supreme god. The...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Aug 6, 2007 9:12 pm
... I would say that there's another level to this question. Zeus is the most powerful of the gods in the Iliad, true, but as you say he's considered to be of...
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Amos
vivepablo
Aug 6, 2007 10:16 pm
Jan: I looked up Karen Armstrong in internet and found some material, but interviewers, for obvious reasons, are much more interested in what she has to...
