... is the ... why they ... account. ... say, but ... How does a panentheist view of God answer the "why" question differently than the scientific answer...
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psycherationis
Jan 4, 2007 3:43 pm
Hello All, The first thing that jumped out at me in this stream was that a critical element of science was being overlooked. Scientists interpret their...
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phrygianslave
Jan 4, 2007 9:45 pm
psycherationis "As far as there being something non-physical that interacts with the physical, I don't see how a Stoic (equivalent in my mind to a materialist)...
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no16bus
Jan 4, 2007 10:20 pm
Hello everybody. Thank-you for letting me join this group. I've joined because I'm reading Stoic texts and I'm interested in the New Stoa. However, I am not...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Jan 4, 2007 11:52 pm
... Welcome. ... That's fine, but there are lots of others ways to participate, such as asking questions, describing alternative ways of looking at something,...
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no16bus
Jan 5, 2007 1:18 am
Well there you are; I knew I'd quickly come unstuck. By metaphysical I meant supernatural....
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Joe Wells
psycherationis
Jan 5, 2007 1:26 am
... Joe responds: If said quanitity is unknowable why think about it!! Saying that you don't like the interpretaton doesn't harm the validity of the ...
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Uncle Fester
mtravis9999
Jan 5, 2007 3:18 am
Hi, Jane. Stoicism and belief in God were peas to a pod in ancient times. That's not to say that they have to remain that way today, but the Stoics did...
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vivepablo
Jan 5, 2007 1:59 pm
... I see Stoicism as a method for dealing with my emotions, for living a more rational life. I don't see why one has to believe in God in order to be use...
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Steve Marquis
marquis95960
Jan 5, 2007 5:53 pm
Jane wrote: ______________ I am interested in the New Stoa because I see in it a possibility of a system of moral values and ethics which is in accordance with...
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no16bus
Jan 5, 2007 7:15 pm
Thank-you. As I said I'm not interested in this debate. I'm sure your beliefs are held very sincerely and I would not want to interfere with your faith....
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phrygianslave
Jan 5, 2007 10:40 pm
Hi Joe! "If said quanitity is unknowable why think about it!!" I refer you back to your own statement: "As far as there being something non-physical that...
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Joe Wells
psycherationis
Jan 6, 2007 1:04 am
Hello Peter, The arguement about that which is not a body being unable to interact with a body is from either Diogenes Laertius or Sextus Empiricus, or perhaps...
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will
willpenrhiw
Jan 6, 2007 8:53 am
... How do you _know_ this? Are you sure you understand _everything_ about 'that which is immaterial'? Could it be that some things are simply beyond human...
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Robin Turner
selgusni
Jan 6, 2007 1:31 pm
... I certainly haven't heard the phrase before, but the system makes sense. The increase in concentration and introspective powers that zazen provides would...
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Robin Turner
selgusni
Jan 6, 2007 2:18 pm
... That's the way it looks on paper, but I sometimes suspect that in practice, Stoics (like many of us) chose their metaphysical beliefs to support their ...
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Robin Turner
selgusni
Jan 6, 2007 2:56 pm
... Well it's also possible that ulitmately the material is also beyond human understanding. I think it was Bohr who said "The universe is not only stranger...
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vivepablo
Jan 6, 2007 9:52 pm
... ancient ... today, but the ... beliefs. ... practice, ... support their ... qualities of the ... find people ... reason as ... framework ... budding ... ...
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Adam Ophir Shapira
red_vorlon
Jan 7, 2007 5:16 am
... Yes, I was referring to zazen. Since the term "zen" is a distant derivative of a term for "meditation school" - I figured zazen (or zen meditation) was the...
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Joe Wells
psycherationis
Jan 7, 2007 6:19 am
Hello, In my readings and contemplations of Stoicism I've found a bend toward what would be called walking meditation in Zazen. It is quite expanded from the ...
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Joe Wells
psycherationis
Jan 7, 2007 6:30 am
Hello, For those who either haven't read Diogenes Laertius in awhile or at all he gives the definition of earnestness as "a habit of refering presentations ...
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antonyh2000
Jan 7, 2007 7:31 am
The Stoa is a community dedicated to discussing Epictetus' Handbook and by extension the texts of Cicero, Seneca, Epictetus, Marus Aurelius and the other Stoic...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Jan 8, 2007 5:54 pm
... Why not? Unless one adopts a question- begging assumption, I don't see how this claim can be supported. ... You're going too fast for me here. As I...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Jan 8, 2007 6:00 pm
... My experience is that I need not worry about things that can only be grasped in abnormal states of consciousness, since there are more than enough things...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Jan 8, 2007 6:02 pm
All: I sent this message some time ago, but I just learned that the IT guys at my university didn't inform us that a system crash had wiped away several days...
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phrygianslave
Jan 8, 2007 8:18 pm
Hello Joe! 1) Christian fundamentalists take what the Bible says literally. "And the LORD God formed man _of_ the dust of the ground, and breathed into his...
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Joe Wells
psycherationis
Jan 8, 2007 8:43 pm
Grant wrote: OK. "It's a law of nature that certain ... virtually no-one ... Joe responds: First, whose law of Nature?!!! Yes, if you allow that there is...
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Joe Wells
psycherationis
Jan 8, 2007 8:53 pm
I would not consider myself a fundamentalist. I asked you for an arguement supporting your view point. It is a marked difference to request dialouge in order...
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Paul
pdlanagan
Jan 9, 2007 2:47 am
Members of the forum may be interested in this interview, in MP3 downloadable format, with a therapist who has many ideas in common with Stoic thought. ...
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Robin Turner
selgusni
Jan 9, 2007 12:16 pm
... Sorry, but if I see a hair, I just have to split it: "walking zazen" is a contradiction in terms! Robin -- Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Üniversitesi Ankara,...
