... This pretty much puts into words my view as well. The Spiritual (Logos) for me is something I am a part of and something which is a part of me. It is...
12424
reb_el
Apr 1, 2006 4:54 pm
... that the Bible is accurate and divinely inspired." Yes, but Muslims make the same claims about the Koran, Jews about the Torah, and other religions about...
12425
psycherationis
Apr 1, 2006 5:16 pm
Steve wrote: Joe, maybe you could elaborate a bit. If I am following here the Classical Stoic model is that empirical sensation is (potentially) transparent...
12426
Joe Wells
psycherationis
Apr 1, 2006 5:24 pm
I am interested [among many other things] in drawing the boundries of what a Stoic can and cannot consistently affirm.--Grant The only way to draw this line is...
12427
Steve & Oxsana Marquis
marquis95960
Apr 1, 2006 6:43 pm
Grant, before diving in I want to feed back to you what I think your point is. We're covering a lot of ground and it's easy to loose sight of the objective...
12428
Fourhorses
gregorgeis
Apr 2, 2006 12:15 am
Steve I agree completely with your comments about the discussion of fundamentalism. Considering the matter at hand, however, I wonder why a Stoic needs a...
12429
DT Strain
dtstrain
Apr 2, 2006 5:25 am
... We have tried many ways of obtaining knowledge throughout history: shamanism, mysticism, magic, prayer, empiricism, and psychic powers to name a few. Any...
12430
Adam Ophir Shapira
red_vorlon
Apr 2, 2006 7:27 am
For the sake of philosophical argument --- my friend and I need to know --- is "caring" considered an emotion? The more detailed an answer we get --- the more...
12431
reb_el
Apr 2, 2006 12:10 pm
... and I need to know --- is 'caring' considered an emotion?" I would consider it very much so. That is, if your definition of 'caring' is synonymous with...
12432
Steve & Oxsana Marquis
marquis95960
Apr 2, 2006 2:55 pm
Adam writes: __________ For the sake of philosophical argument --- my friend and I need to know --- is "caring" considered an emotion? __________ Adam, it...
12433
Steve & Oxsana Marquis
marquis95960
Apr 2, 2006 5:10 pm
Greg writes: __________ I suppose what I am getting at is that many Stoics might view ithe institution of religion as a natural expression of the...
12434
David Nicholls
djn1632
Apr 2, 2006 5:27 pm
As ever, we need to be "careful"(!) about how we are using the words. "Caring" could mean an affect, being concerned or bothered about something, or taking...
12435
Fourhorses
gregorgeis
Apr 2, 2006 5:53 pm
Steve you approach these things pretty much the same way I do. Lip service or notional assent to another belief structure can become an issue only if one's...
12436
the.dude6752000
Apr 2, 2006 6:58 pm
Hey, I found an interesting site.\ http://stoicorumfragmenta.blogspot.com/ Contrary to what you might at first think, the entire blog is dedicated to debunking...
12437
robin
selgusni
Apr 2, 2006 7:14 pm
... It depends on what you regard as empirical data. At a basic level, empirical data consists simply of sense improessions, I would contend that these are...
12438
jan.garrett
chrys1943
Apr 2, 2006 7:49 pm
One way of understanding oikeiosis (a term translated in different ways) is as a kind of identification. Oikeiosis accounts for the identification we form with...
12439
jan.garrett
chrys1943
Apr 2, 2006 8:10 pm
If the criticism based on the story of the paralyzed sea captain is accepted, then not only are the Stoics wrong, but Aristotelians too, and Aristotelian...
12440
Steve & Oxsana Marquis
marquis95960
Apr 2, 2006 9:14 pm
David writes: __________ As ever, we need to be "careful"(!) about how we are using the words. __________ What?!?! Define our terms? Absolutely, David,...
12441
robin
selgusni
Apr 2, 2006 9:41 pm
... A nice example (from Joseph Conrad?). However, it is no different from many other scenarios designed to illustrate the problem of moral luck. It brings me...
12442
robin
selgusni
Apr 2, 2006 9:42 pm
... It depends on so many things (as others here have commented. All the answers here so far have been about caring for people, but I'd like to look at the...
12443
DT Strain
dtstrain
Apr 3, 2006 1:00 am
"The Stoic view of virtue is counterintuitive. We agree, in the example at hand, that Jim chose commendably. But bravery and justice and the rest require...
12444
the.dude6752000
Apr 3, 2006 1:38 am
... nonsensical, especially in today's GI Joe culture. In a lot of movie's, a sense of guilt is often put onto character's who tried to do the right thing but...
12445
DT Strain
dtstrain
Apr 3, 2006 2:12 am
... Yes, a definite problem. To me this would mean that the notion is nonsensical, but the effort to address this prevalent nonsensical notion is sensical, ...
12446
Steve & Oxsana Marquis
marquis95960
Apr 3, 2006 5:57 pm
Rick and Daniel, Grant is perfectly capable of giving a well reasoned response but I want to switch sides for a moment to point out what I think are problems...
12447
DT Strain
dtstrain
Apr 3, 2006 8:09 pm
Thanks for the responses Steve :) ... I really haven't a clue what "other methods" there are. I know there have historically been a lot of claims as to other...
12448
Steve & Oxsana Marquis
marquis95960
Apr 4, 2006 6:41 pm
Daniel writes: __________ I really haven't a clue what "other methods" there are. I know there have historically been a lot of claims as to other methods. As...
12449
DT Strain
dtstrain
Apr 4, 2006 6:53 pm
I suppose this entire endeavor should have been prefaced by me asking you what you mean by "empiricism". In my book, empiricism means the direct measurements,...
12450
Tyger
tyger_spirit...
Apr 4, 2006 10:55 pm
... There is rarely a problem with direct experience, but almost always with the subjective interpretation of it...which is why we have the scientific method,...
12451
the.dude6752000
Apr 5, 2006 12:43 am
Considering the amount of hub-ub in the media about the issue, I just wanted to get the classical stoic position on this. My goals are twofold. First, I would...
12452
robin
selgusni
Apr 5, 2006 8:42 am
... It's important to remember that sex in any form was not such a big deal in the ancient world, as is shown by Aristotle's amused reaction (in the Politics)...
