For those of you interested in similarities bewteen Taosim and Stoicism, especially Heraclitus, I came across the following web site today: ...
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Yinshih@xxx.xxx
Sep 1, 1999 9:45 pm
A fascinating web site Steve. I once found it but forgot all about it until you brought it back to my attention. Heraclitus is a great philosopher whose ideas...
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Kevin McGrane
kevinmcgrane@xxxxx.xxxx
Sep 2, 1999 9:48 pm
All: I'd like your thoughts on an observation I've made as I read Marcus Aurelius and Epictetus: they may have been ground-breakers in philosophy, and...
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Yinshih@xxx.xxx
Sep 2, 1999 9:51 pm
Kevin: Marcus Aurelius was a Roman whose native language was Latin; however, as a cultivated Roman gentleman, he chose to write his thoughts to himself in ...
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Jan Edward Garrett
jgarrett@xxx.xxxxxxxx...
Sep 3, 1999 1:15 am
Seneca is an excellent writer, although his style in which he writes is not universally admired. (Some classicists prefer the Latin writers of the previous...
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Steve Marquis
smarquis@xxxxxx.xxxx
Sep 3, 1999 2:15 am
... Hi Kevin! If we had a complete intact treatise on Stoic grammer or logic by Chrysippus we might have something to talk about. Unfortunately, we do not....
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Jan Edward Garrett
jgarrett@xxx.xxxxxxxx...
Sep 3, 1999 2:27 am
Epictetus is the world's greatest philosophical nag! Now, most people don't want to get their philosophical wisdom from a nag. I didn't much like Epictetus the...
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Lynn D Dewees
LYNNDEWEES@xxxxxxx.xxxx
Sep 3, 1999 2:50 am
... From: Steve Marquis <smarquis@...> ... There's also the issue of translation. I can't read the originals [being after all a product of US public...
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Steve Marquis
smarquis@xxxxxx.xxxx
Sep 3, 1999 3:07 am
... Probably won't do as a reference for a PhD. But this is the what I have right now, and it is the book I would run out of the burning house with. Steve...
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Kevin McGrane
kevinmcgrane@xxxxx.xxxx
Sep 3, 1999 3:27 am
All: Interesting comments! Enjoy them all. It is interesting to observe how those of us who are philosophers zero in on the thought being transmitted, while...
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Yinshih@xxx.xxx
Sep 3, 1999 4:33 am
Jan: How could I forget Seneca??? What a wonderful writer! I love his letters especially. Alphonse...
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Bertram Rothschild
bertr@xxxx.xxxx
Sep 3, 1999 3:13 pm
... He's no nag. Good grief, when I first read him I was astonished and filled with joy. I gave copies of him to all my students and incorporate him in...
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Bertram Rothschild
bertr@xxxx.xxxx
Sep 3, 1999 3:17 pm
... Bert...
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Paul Trejo
pet@xxxxxx.xxxx
Sep 3, 1999 3:55 pm
In response to Kevin McGrane, I'll defend the ancient Stoic writers on multiple grounds. First, it is customary to divide Literature into three periods:...
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Paul Cousoulis
paulcsouls@xxxxxxxx.x...
Sep 3, 1999 10:53 pm
Stoics, To quote the biographical note to 'The Discourses of Epictetus' Translated by George Long, "Epictetus wrote nothing, but aquired renown as a teacher....
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Jan Edward Garrett
jgarrett@xxx.xxxxxxxx...
Sep 4, 1999 1:37 am
If you find the Victorian-era translations of Marcus Aurelius a bit stilted, you might take a look at G. M. A. Grube's more recent translation published by...
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Jan Edward Garrett
jgarrett@xxx.xxxxxxxx...
Sep 4, 1999 1:47 am
... Why is it assumed to be impossible to be both a nag and right? (g)...
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Kevin McGrane
kevinmcgrane@xxxxx.xxxx
Sep 4, 1999 3:27 pm
All: Leonardo da Vinci, arguably one of the greatest painters of western civ., was forced to see his "Last Supper" begin to deteriorate even before he had...
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Cyberstoic@xxx.xxx
Sep 4, 1999 5:20 pm
I read The Discourses of Epictetus the first time as a 19 year old private in the US Army, and I read it with the same astonishment and joy as Bert described. ...
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KRS
aurelius@xxxxx.xxxx
Sep 4, 1999 6:55 pm
Dear Fellow Stoics: Complexity of style is not in itself an indictment. The more one exercises the sinews of the mind, the easier one manages complex writing....
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Kevin McGrane
kevinmcgrane@xxxxx.xxxx
Sep 4, 1999 7:18 pm
Dear KRS: Must respectfully disagree with you regarding complexity of style. It usually indicates to me that someone has not thought things through and can't...
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Marco Guasti
fresco@xx.xxx
Sep 4, 1999 9:28 pm
... From: Bruce Ulanet <bruceulanet@...> To: Horrible Things <Horrible_Things@onelist.com>; Gags And Stuff <-GagsNStuff-@onelist.com>; Best Joke...
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Kevin McGrane
kevinmcgrane@xxxxx.xxxx
Sep 5, 1999 1:31 am
Escuse me, but I'm missing something here. What does ridicule of people's religious beliefs have to do with the stoics forum? Kevin McGrane ... === message...
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Jan Edward Garrett
jgarrett@xxx.xxxxxxxx...
Sep 5, 1999 2:40 am
I agree with Kevin that *if* the Discourses of Epictetus are examples of bad writing, it will not do in the least to excuse it by saying that writing was only...
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Jan Edward Garrett
jgarrett@xxx.xxxxxxxx...
Sep 5, 1999 4:24 am
While Marco's satirical forward clearly concerned a topic not discussed in this Forum in the past, and its connection with our usual topics was not explained,...
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Jan Edward Garrett
jgarrett@xxx.xxxxxxxx...
Sep 5, 1999 1:00 pm
How is Stoicism being introduced (if at all) to the large numbers of university students that take a single philosophy course as part of their General...
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Jan Edward Garrett
jgarrett@xxx.xxxxxxxx...
Sep 5, 1999 1:13 pm
I found a small transcription error, here corrected, in my quotation from Velasquez's textbook. How is Stoicism being introduced (if at all) to the large...
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KRS
aurelius@xxxxx.xxxx
Sep 5, 1999 4:29 pm
Dear Fellow Stoics Jan is quite right about this issue. Different writers offer different charms. I would add, the point is not to be limited to appreciating...
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Kevin McGrane
kevinmcgrane@xxxxx.xxxx
Sep 5, 1999 6:18 pm
All: ...
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Kevin McGrane
kevinmcgrane@xxxxx.xxxx
Sep 5, 1999 6:47 pm
All: If we agree with the premesis, it is just satire? And if we do not, is it then actually ridicule? It has been my experience that those who claim to be...
