... I've also seen Nietzsche's philosophy described as "hysterical stoicism", which although it looks like an oxymoron seems to encapsulate it rather nicely! I...
... I think it's important when reading Epictetus (particularly the Discourses) to distinguish between things that are part of or implied by basic Stoic...
Peter just off the top of my head... Nietzsche seldom mentions the Stoics other than passim, a fact which I find curious given his frequent mention of Epicurus...
Update: I posted this at the IIDB here http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=152632 and I got some responses. One of the infidels there pointed out that the...
... implied by ... can ... on, ... makes ... Other ... On talking to others, this is what Simplicius seems to think of #33: The duties, owing to a man's self,...
I've been chased by dogs a few times, we've somthing of a problemb with them here- they are 'owned' by folks who let them roam about or dont secure them behind...
Hello All, I've had a lot of practice in this! I find myself disturbed whenever I hear W.(Bush) speak. Something that Seneca suggests works very well, and...
Tough one. I would note these considerations... In favor of killing: 1) A wounded animal can be even more dangerous. 2) An animal that would attack humans can...
... Luckily i've ... Hello Red, The stoic take would be to act virtuously at all times; with courage, temperance, justice and wisdom. More practically, we must...
First, a piece of historical trivia . . . If one approached an ancient Stoic and the context of discussion was not clear, a mention of "the dog" might have...
I wonder what Musonius Rufus would think you told him Diogenes (the dog) had attacked a jogger by nipping at his heels, and the jogger had punted Diogenes 3...
I know that in the anciet world Stoicism was a missionary philosophy, and I think Stoicism is in many ways the answer to many of todays problem. But I just got...
Hey dude. My take would be that Epictetus wants us to convince others about the soundness of our teaching by our own example not by preaching. There are a...
My wife and I visited a Buddhist temple today and learned of the Kalama Sutra. This is a doctrine where the Buddha instructs folks to question authority, even ...
Yet Epictetus and Musonius Rufus used more than example to exhort others to virtue. Perphaps my Epictetus quote was merely for a specific situation? John...
One reasonable way of interpreting the Stoic adage "follow nature" is to try to figure out the reality (nature) of things (which may not be what people around...
Here here. I hold an anthropomorphic but non-the-less atheistic conception of the kosmos, and in that I know I am not alone on this board in opposing E,...
... He's not calling Nietzsche an 'official Stoic' btw. He's citing both N. and Stoicism's origins in Heraclitus ideas of eternal flux, etc. Also the...
Hello Jack, ... As I understand it, they exhort only those who come voluntarily into their lecture rooms, and who in just entering the room say in effect,...
My take as well John. Seems similar to the Buddhist approach. As a Buddhist nun said to me recently in her charming accent... ... [waving her hands in a...
Very interesting points Jan - thanks much. ... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam...
... Another thing to mention is that while one can always explain Stoicism to others as appropriate, one cannot make them follow its teachings. It is a...
Please understand why I wish to lodge a formal protest against our use of language such as "the entertainment- and quick-fix-seeking masses." The human race...
Hi everyone, I've been lurking on this list for a couple of weeks now, and I've been meaning to introduce myself formally. By way of introduction, here's the...
Hi Cory.. your mention of Pantheism..has me wondering. Is Stoicism truly 'Pantheist'..? And I do realize there are different kinds of pantheism..there's...
Wow. this isn't quite what I had in mind. I was talking more about if there was a contradiction between what Epictetus said and how he acted, perphaps if his...
Welcome Cory! Sounds like your situation is very similar to mine. I come from Humanism (and still am), but it's very big on epistemology and social values, but...
Peter, I don't think the very concept of a "super"natural existed when Stoicism developed. Their sense of an "intelligence out there", even for the Stoics with...
Wasn't Stoicism discussed in the Stoa (marketplace)? I know the typical excuse given is that they couldn't afford a building, but they also could have gone to ...
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