Hi all : ) Just thought I would introduce myself. I am currently serving in the Air Force. I am one of the few centrist Unitarian Deists serving(that I know...
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Jan E Garrett
chrys1943
Jan 3, 2006 4:22 am
William Stephens is a new member of our Forum, although he is an established scholar of Stoicism. I asked him to share, if he would, a draft of his review of...
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Jan E Garrett
chrys1943
Jan 3, 2006 5:20 am
Because my interest in Stoicism has been primarily ethical (as is the case for most Forum members) and political, my familiarity with the details of Stoic...
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Arkadi Choufrine (ach...
mrnkogan
Jan 3, 2006 6:09 am
... I have a problem with this passage. It seems to contrast the magnanimity of a Stoic *sage* (of whom, BTW, only a few are known) with the kind of...
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DT Strain
dtstrain
Jan 3, 2006 12:00 pm
Welcome Ramstin! :) ... __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/...
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DT Strain
dtstrain
Jan 3, 2006 12:25 pm
Thanks to William Stephens for this review and thanks to Jan for posting it :) Arkadi: I think I see your point on the comparison. I have heard of a Christian...
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DT Strain
dtstrain
Jan 3, 2006 12:40 pm
Jan, Correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to give the impression in your last paragraph that logoi spermatikoi is not a very cohesive, valid, and/or true ...
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Arkadi Choufrine
mrnkogan
Jan 3, 2006 1:47 pm
*On a side note, you say that "only a few [stoic Sages] are known". Really?? Who are they? ... As far as I understand my teachers of Stoicism, Heracles is...
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DT Strain
dtstrain
Jan 3, 2006 2:11 pm
I suppose that's a matter of folklore and faith, unrelated to acceptance of Stoic thought. But I have suspicions that if we were to observe these men through...
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Arkadi Choufrine
mrnkogan
Jan 3, 2006 2:19 pm
Well, it is really a matter of faith. Do Christian saints really exist? Christians believe they do, and can name quite a few. Stoics also do believe that Stoic...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Jan 3, 2006 7:05 pm
... I agree with your point, but I'm not certain that it makes a difference. I don't think the Stoic view has been characterized correctly above. Jan said...
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Arkadi Choufrine
mrnkogan
Jan 3, 2006 7:20 pm
*but I am sure that the idea that things out of our control can never be good or evil, and hence cannot constitute harm, is not the dominant notion of...
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DT Strain
dtstrain
Jan 3, 2006 7:20 pm
Stoic philosophical positions would be weak if there were no true sages? How so? Just about everything in Stoicism I find to be true and applicable, yet with...
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DT Strain
dtstrain
Jan 3, 2006 7:23 pm
... I would even go so far as to say that the stoic concepts that have been compared to it in the review is not even actually "forgiveness". If I simply ...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Jan 3, 2006 7:38 pm
... This is true, but loving someone is compatible with at the same time thinking that you need to forgive them for having harmed you. ... Now I'm on firmer...
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Arkadi Choufrine
mrnkogan
Jan 3, 2006 7:57 pm
... with at the same time thinking that you need to forgive them for having harmed you. ... If you love someone and do not love God, then your love is not...
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DT Strain
dtstrain
Jan 3, 2006 8:21 pm
... The actions of others cannot "give rise" to any of our feelings. It is impossible for others to 'hurt our feelings' without us having any say in the...
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Arkadi Choufrine
mrnkogan
Jan 3, 2006 8:33 pm
... feelings will be hurt. ... Why should anyone make such a strange choice (if it is really a *free* choice, of the kind the existence of which Grant was...
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psycherationis
Jan 3, 2006 9:07 pm
While it may indeed be hard to find a historical(or current) individual to call a sage it is quiet possible for many to act the part of a sage in a moment to...
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Arkadi Choufrine (ach...
mrnkogan
Jan 3, 2006 11:09 pm
... part of a sage in a moment to moment fashion ... You may be right, but the Stoics do not think so. Arkadi...
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bascilla
Jan 4, 2006 12:44 am
... Christian ... has harmed ... I don't recall anything like that. My recollection of the Christian forgiveness thing is more along the lines of what Grant ...
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Arkadi Choufrine (ach...
mrnkogan
Jan 4, 2006 1:54 am
... retaliate" ... Yes, there is a huge difference between the two trains of thought that you described. But: (1) I do not see how a perfect Christian can...
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Arkadi Choufrine (ach...
mrnkogan
Jan 4, 2006 2:29 am
... To confirm this, let me cite from a 7-th cent. Christian classic, St. Maximus the Confessor: "If you wish not to fall away from the love of God, do not let...
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Jan E Garrett
chrys1943
Jan 4, 2006 4:14 am
Daniel, I was not criticizing the idea of logoi spermatikoi as such but I was suggesting that extending it to cover events that seem compatible with the...
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Jan E Garrett
chrys1943
Jan 4, 2006 4:42 am
Marcia Colish (Stoic Tradition from Antiquity to the Middle Ages, vol. I, p., 135) discusses this issue in connection with Cicero, who was struck by the...
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Conna Dewart
conanthebarbie
Jan 4, 2006 4:47 am
I've had a busy holiday, so I've only just now found the time to introduce myself. I'm a single mother of a three-year old who, like Seneca, embrace pure...
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savvaal
Jan 4, 2006 9:54 am
Ramstin, I completely agree with you on how there appears to be a connection between Stoic philosophy and Deism. I too came to the same conclusion in a...
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savvaal
Jan 4, 2006 10:17 am
Hello everyone, I am new to the group so let me introduce myself here by first of all saying that I am really glad to be part of this group. I hope to...
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DT Strain
dtstrain
Jan 4, 2006 1:07 pm
... Why should anyone make the strange choice of eating more than they should, or any number of things we know are unwise and yet choose to do anyway? What you...
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DT Strain
dtstrain
Jan 4, 2006 1:20 pm
I find your description perfectly acceptable and realistic Joe. We may indeed act as a Sage in specific moments, while the hypothetical sage would act in that...
