... one categorization over another and keeping only that perspective is there?" I agree. I always try to see things from different perspectives, just to make...
11483
robin
selgusni
Nov 1, 2005 11:49 pm
... What would happen if the computer became sufficiently complex that it wrote its own programs? I'm not sure at what point a computer might become sentient...
11484
Paul
pdlanagan
Nov 2, 2005 1:52 am
Greetings, I have an everyday incident to share with the forum. Recently I was serving in a community group project. It was located near a betting shop. There...
11485
Johanan Raatz
johanan_raatz
Nov 2, 2005 6:25 am
... contingent aspects, working together, provide the non-contingent basis that the CA derives from modal logic, but its internal parts are not non-contingent...
11486
DT Strain
dtstrain
Nov 2, 2005 6:20 pm
... I think the fact that humans created computers may have been a distraction from the point of my question. Let me try this: what are your thoughts of the...
11487
DT Strain
dtstrain
Nov 2, 2005 6:33 pm
Thanks for this Paul - I think it would be great for us to share more real life experiences like this on the list, so it's not all so theoretical all the time....
11488
reb_el
Nov 3, 2005 3:38 am
... sufficiently complex that it wrote its own programs? I'm not sure at what point a computer might become sentient (and better minds than mine have spilt...
11489
Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Nov 3, 2005 4:07 pm
... Part of the problem is that 'sentient' is usually used in such a way as to mix two completely different things: 1) The issue of whether a thing has mental...
11490
bamford@...
reb_el
Nov 3, 2005 4:26 pm
... input from environment running through it's instrumentation to produce output behavior)" Naturally mechanistic. A mind that has not (yet) evolved...
11491
bamford@...
reb_el
Nov 3, 2005 4:26 pm
... input from environment running through it's instrumentation to produce output behavior)" Naturally mechanistic. A mind that has not (yet) evolved...
11492
DT Strain
dtstrain
Nov 3, 2005 4:56 pm
Why would it be virtually impossible for a machine to have introspectable mental states? ... __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search...
11493
DT Strain
dtstrain
Nov 3, 2005 5:06 pm
... I repeat my original thoughts on this, with the portion you've just noted above addressed in all caps this time (but I hope you'll re-read this entire ...
11494
Johanan Raatz
johanan_raatz
Nov 3, 2005 10:57 pm
I think sentience when used in the context to separate humans from other animals would be the ability of a consciousness to think abstractly and imaginatively....
11495
Johanan Raatz
johanan_raatz
Nov 3, 2005 11:01 pm
bamford@... wrote: Like the theist who claims God directs all things, the determinist claims that determinism directs all things, so whether I turn...
11496
johanan_raatz
Nov 3, 2005 11:15 pm
As I was thinking recently the following argument came to me. 1.Sentience is a natural outcome of reality and is thus natural to reality. 2.Technology,...
11497
DT Strain
dtstrain
Nov 4, 2005 12:09 am
Johanan, Please see the recent message #11474 and subsequent messages under the title "Moral Law, Logic, and their relation". :) ... ...
I really hate it when people say things are unnatural and therefore bad, like genetic engineering or homosexuality (the latter of which is in fact in their...
11499
reb_el
Nov 5, 2005 1:01 pm
... portion you've just noted above addressed in all caps this time" My err. I had forgotten that not, and with which I generally agree. Apologies that I...
11500
reb_el
Nov 5, 2005 1:29 pm
... natural things existing is really just artificial as "artificial" things come out simply a logical extension of reality." I understand and agree with this...
11501
DT Strain
dtstrain
Nov 5, 2005 3:28 pm
No biggie, friend :) ... __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com...
11502
DT Strain
dtstrain
Nov 5, 2005 3:54 pm
... Ah, that's an excellent point and very true. I may have a solution for us. I believe the Stoics considered their philosophy in three fields: physics, ...
The link between nature and goodness makes sense within a teleological framework, which was so egregiously misused in the late medieval period that it fell...
11505
Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Nov 7, 2005 6:21 pm
... I probably spoke too strongly. I should have said something more like "At present, we have no reason to suppose that machines could ever have ...
A better statement would be to say that we have no reason to believe that they can't achieve sentience. My opinion: Premise 1: Humans are sentient Premise 2:...
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Johanan Raatz
johanan_raatz
Nov 8, 2005 1:28 am
I basically agree. Although I think there is a catch here. Sentience involves introspection which is a different type of thing than a clock or computer...
11508
René van Buuren
thephantom77777
Nov 8, 2005 8:55 am
Even the computers we have now could be used for a simulation of the entire human body, predicting what would happen in a real one with 100% accuracy. This...
11509
DT Strain
dtstrain
Nov 8, 2005 5:16 pm
As far as computer capacity that may be true. But we also need to know a lot more about how neurons work and operate to create a truely accurate simulation. I...
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René van Buuren
thephantom77777
Nov 8, 2005 5:26 pm
That's my point. ANY physical process, except possibly quantum-mechanical processes, can be simulated with perfect accuracy because the outcome is ALWAYS...
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Johanan Raatz
johanan_raatz
Nov 8, 2005 8:06 pm
Well this is usually true, except computers can not properly simulate quantum uncertainty. Now according to Roger Penrose consciousness derives from quantum...
