... rather poor ... trying ... in that ... Roger that. And since all I have to go on is DEEDS, what else is there? People lie and pose. Sad, but true. ... ...
... Actually, I don't consider Nigel part of the 'other' side anymore. I believe our disagreements in the past have been reconciled for the most part, and I...
10596
Steve & Oxsana Marquis
marquis95960
Sep 1, 2005 4:38 pm
Paul wrote: ____________ My understanding of stoic teachings is that only the sage can perform a virtuous act, because they have perfect (right) reason. Virtue...
10597
Nigel Glassborow
nigel7579
Sep 1, 2005 4:48 pm
Steve says, 'However (and this is for Nigel ;)) study in theory would certainly be required no doubt, including physics and (e gads!) logic. So (I believe...
10598
Nigel Glassborow
nigel7579
Sep 1, 2005 4:48 pm
I thought that the Stoic tried to avoid judging others; possibly tried to avoid judging themselves; but rather judged only the appropriateness of their own...
10599
Nigel Glassborow
nigel7579
Sep 1, 2005 4:48 pm
What an excellent statement. Nigel -Stoicism provides no magic formula that allows us to calculate the right, or appropriate, thing to do in any given...
10600
James W. Meritt
jwmeritt
Sep 1, 2005 5:16 pm
... tried to avoid judging themselves; but rather judged only the appropriateness of their own 'assents' regards the 'indifferents' they may encounter in life...
10601
Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Sep 1, 2005 5:19 pm
... Again, you must mean something radically different by "desire" than I mean, or Epictetus. Epictetus makes it very clear that if you desire X, then failing...
10602
Steve & Oxsana Marquis
marquis95960
Sep 1, 2005 5:23 pm
Rick wrote: ____________ Actually, I don't consider Nigel part of the 'other' side anymore. I believe our disagreements in the past have been reconciled for...
10603
Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Sep 1, 2005 5:26 pm
... Why? For what reason do you think it is necessary to judge the deeds of others? [Unless you are a judge or juror, and in that case you are assigned to...
10604
James W. Meritt
jwmeritt
Sep 1, 2005 5:39 pm
... they ... and ... Stoic ... upon ... Check Webster: Main Entry: 1judge Pronunciation: 'j&j Function: verb Inflected Form(s): judged; judg·ing Etymology:...
10605
bamford@...
reb_el
Sep 1, 2005 5:56 pm
... Very wise. I see this all the time. I also see it when I look at many of my own beliefs, but I try hard to keep them as objective as possible. A...
10606
DT Strain
dtstrain
Sep 1, 2005 6:30 pm
... You have misunderstood Nigel, Jim. Your paragraph which follows his says basically, "I am not a classical Stoic and will do x", and x is exactly what ...
10607
James W. Meritt
jwmeritt
Sep 1, 2005 6:34 pm
... So be it....
10608
Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Sep 1, 2005 7:06 pm
... My problem was not rooted in ignorance of the range of possible meanings of the word "judge". My problem was that I incorrectly assumed that you were...
10609
James W. Meritt
jwmeritt
Sep 1, 2005 7:51 pm
... Sorry. As I mentioned, I do not appear to be a classical Stoic. I try not to form opinions on the morals of others. I evaluate their deeds, not their...
10610
James W. Meritt
jwmeritt
Sep 1, 2005 7:53 pm
... Of course not. But if you had a baseball in your hand and I was within range, I'd keep an eye on you. I would evaluate what you did that directly...
10611
Steve & Oxsana Marquis
marquis95960
Sep 1, 2005 7:55 pm
Nigel wrote: ____________ I trust I did not disappoint you - you no doubt expected a response. ;-) Personally I am for all things in moderation - to learn of...
10612
Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Sep 1, 2005 8:12 pm
... Speaking from my own experience, other peoples' words are _usually_ more informative about their future actions than their deeds looked at purely from an...
10613
Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Sep 1, 2005 9:06 pm
... Neither do the Stoics. I was discussing what things are moral and what things are not, not the question of whether we have any need to go around judging...
10616
Nigel Glassborow
nigel7579
Sep 2, 2005 12:51 pm
Hi Jim, To 'Judge' - so many meanings that lead to a misjudgement of what someone else is saying, so affecting one's judgement. Nigel...
10617
Nigel Glassborow
nigel7579
Sep 2, 2005 12:51 pm
A general point. It does not matter if we use a word in a technical or layman's way - in the end often we still have to try to explain it in order to avoid...
10618
Nigel Glassborow
nigel7579
Sep 2, 2005 12:52 pm
Hi Steve, You say, 'Probably where we are the farthest apart is in the need for precision. Can you accept that clarity requires precision? And that...
10619
Nigel Glassborow
nigel7579
Sep 2, 2005 12:55 pm
Gich asks, ... There are, but most of our wives are too busy supplying us with tea while we slave over our computers, only to occasionally correct our logic. ...
10620
JWMeritt@...
jwmeritt
Sep 2, 2005 1:23 pm
Grant Sterling <cfgcs@...> wrote: ... Again, this seems unreasonable to me, because their motivations are an excellent guide to their future actions, which...
10621
Hypatia Julia Aletheia
hypatia_julia
Sep 2, 2005 1:47 pm
Khaire Gich -- Yes, there are. Julia ... From: gich morgan <gich2@...> Sent: Sep 1, 2005 2:08 PM To: stoics@yahoogroups.com Subject: [stoics]...
10622
Nigel Glassborow
nigel7579
Sep 2, 2005 2:01 pm
Dear Gich, Your view of Stoicism is a bit strange. You are missing out the point that 'living in accordance with nature' is not only living in accordance with...
10625
Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Sep 2, 2005 3:02 pm
... You're walking down the street by the side of the lake, and you suddenly see a fulyl dressed woman leap into the lake and begin frantically swimming....
10626
James W. Meritt
jwmeritt
Sep 2, 2005 3:07 pm
... I would care little what your intentions are, and doubt if I would even consider that you may commit assault. I just know that you hit me with a baseball....
