Hey Grant! ... [With regard to 'desire' or 'emotional commitment' see below]. With regard to my usage of the words 'want' and 'desire' this will depend on the...
... It makes a lot of sense Steve, thanks. I'll need to re-read it several times for it to 'sink in' properly and will come back on this if required. Best...
Steve has just joined in on the 'Stoicism in practice' discussion and this reminded me of an old post of his that has become part of my personal (stoic)...
... rather poor ... trying ... in that ... Roger that. And since all I have to go on is DEEDS, what else is there? People lie and pose. Sad, but true. ... ...
... Actually, I don't consider Nigel part of the 'other' side anymore. I believe our disagreements in the past have been reconciled for the most part, and I...
Paul wrote: ____________ My understanding of stoic teachings is that only the sage can perform a virtuous act, because they have perfect (right) reason. Virtue...
Steve says, 'However (and this is for Nigel ;)) study in theory would certainly be required no doubt, including physics and (e gads!) logic. So (I believe...
I thought that the Stoic tried to avoid judging others; possibly tried to avoid judging themselves; but rather judged only the appropriateness of their own...
What an excellent statement. Nigel -Stoicism provides no magic formula that allows us to calculate the right, or appropriate, thing to do in any given...
... tried to avoid judging themselves; but rather judged only the appropriateness of their own 'assents' regards the 'indifferents' they may encounter in life...
... Again, you must mean something radically different by "desire" than I mean, or Epictetus. Epictetus makes it very clear that if you desire X, then failing...
Rick wrote: ____________ Actually, I don't consider Nigel part of the 'other' side anymore. I believe our disagreements in the past have been reconciled for...
... Why? For what reason do you think it is necessary to judge the deeds of others? [Unless you are a judge or juror, and in that case you are assigned to...
... Very wise. I see this all the time. I also see it when I look at many of my own beliefs, but I try hard to keep them as objective as possible. A...
... You have misunderstood Nigel, Jim. Your paragraph which follows his says basically, "I am not a classical Stoic and will do x", and x is exactly what ...
... My problem was not rooted in ignorance of the range of possible meanings of the word "judge". My problem was that I incorrectly assumed that you were...
... Sorry. As I mentioned, I do not appear to be a classical Stoic. I try not to form opinions on the morals of others. I evaluate their deeds, not their...
... Of course not. But if you had a baseball in your hand and I was within range, I'd keep an eye on you. I would evaluate what you did that directly...
Nigel wrote: ____________ I trust I did not disappoint you - you no doubt expected a response. ;-) Personally I am for all things in moderation - to learn of...
... Speaking from my own experience, other peoples' words are _usually_ more informative about their future actions than their deeds looked at purely from an...
... Neither do the Stoics. I was discussing what things are moral and what things are not, not the question of whether we have any need to go around judging...
Well Steve, thanks for a most illuminating post. Thinking of indifferents as end-results of a course of action we may be contemplating is completely new to me;...
A general point. It does not matter if we use a word in a technical or layman's way - in the end often we still have to try to explain it in order to avoid...
Gich asks, ... There are, but most of our wives are too busy supplying us with tea while we slave over our computers, only to occasionally correct our logic. ...
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