OK I "Grant" that one may/must assent to having done a "wrong" Where does it state that having done wrong, and confessing to having done wrong, that one MUST...
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Kevin
kevin11_c
Jun 5, 2013 11:13 pm
Here on this List I try to be very precise about what I say (except for grammar and spelling haha). Not because I think I'm smarter than everyone else, I'm...
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Steve Marquis
stevemarquis...
Jun 5, 2013 11:40 pm
Kevin-  I don't agree with this because we will have loose ends and lot of inconsitency not the least of which will be emotion creeping in from other...
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Steve Marquis
stevemarquis...
Jun 6, 2013 1:14 am
OK Grant I read through your post twice – it probably deserves another go but have other duties calling.  Rather than respond line by line I decided to...
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Steve Marquis
stevemarquis...
Jun 6, 2013 5:35 am
Kevin- See L&S section 53 'The Soul' from the middle to bottom of page 322: 'In humans all impulses are acts of assents'. Keith's book on Epictetus on page 34...
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karaouka
Jun 6, 2013 8:00 am
Not every false assent (vice) is a crime calling for `guilt and punishment'. I don't precisely remember where, but I recall having read a more nuanced...
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Richard
pmsrxw
Jun 6, 2013 2:10 pm
I read Steve Marquis's longer dissertaion. Just to add a bit of fat to the fire ... Steve Marquis: «The little time I have I want to unravel what is bugging...
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TheophileEscargot
snailman100
Jun 6, 2013 2:49 pm
One thing that the ancient stoics have in common with modern neuroscientists is the belief that emotions are cognitive. That is, our emotions are part of the...
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Steve Stoker
otnac6
Jun 6, 2013 2:53 pm
xxx.....Maybe look into what AA material has to say about guilt, remorse, amends, etc. ....this debate could go on foreverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr and still those...
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Richard
pmsrxw
Jun 6, 2013 3:22 pm
We can agree to disagree Some feel: The Emotion of Guilt is absolutely NECESSARY to identifying Vice and doing whatever it takes to rectify the matter. I...
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Anthony Doubal
lingualmaxim
Jun 6, 2013 5:39 pm
http://www.trotter-gmbh.de/ww/%xtrv%/%ckbgq%...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Jun 6, 2013 6:05 pm
... ***** Good heavens, no. One is not forced to feel any such thing. There are humans who say "Evil, be thou my good". I agree with the ancient and Medieval...
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Steve Marquis
stevemarquis...
Jun 6, 2013 6:05 pm
Steve-  It is a given that a few posts will almost never convince one’s interlocutor of a viewpoint drastically different that what he or she already...
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Richard
pmsrxw
Jun 6, 2013 6:15 pm
Grant May I quote this? Regards, Richard ... The first to apologize is the bravest. The first to forgive is the strongest. The first to forget is the happiest....
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Richard
pmsrxw
Jun 6, 2013 6:16 pm
Grant: «But if you're asking "can someone assent to the proposition 'I have done something wrong, and this is harmful to my true self' and choose not to have...
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Grant Sterling
fccmoose
Jun 6, 2013 6:35 pm
... ***** Thanks for asking, but my general principle is to say nothing on this List that I wouldn't be prepared to see quoted elsewhere. So, 'yes', feel free...
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Jan Garrett
chrys1943
Jun 10, 2013 7:25 pm
I am in the midst of cleaning out my office (retiring after nearly 30 years of teaching at Western Kentucky University). One of my appropriate actions being...
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Kevin
kevin11_c
Jun 11, 2013 12:50 am
Thanks Jan, a valuable gift. Enjoy retirement. Kevin ________________________________ From: Jan Garrett <jan.garrett@...> To: Stoics...
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Thomas Zane
thomaszane63
Jun 14, 2013 2:18 am
How you practice "withholding assent"? ________________________________ From: Richard <pmsrxw@...> To: Stoics <stoics@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, May...
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Steve Stoker
otnac6
Jun 14, 2013 2:39 am
Begin with this possibly new idea: Â Thoughts that arise, that seem to come into my mind are not mine. An image, a thought, simply arises. It is not mine...
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Richard
pmsrxw
Jun 14, 2013 1:53 pm
Steve Stoker said it well: An acquaintance of mine had suffered from Agoraphobia. She learned through CBT to challenge her "what if" thoughts with "so what"...
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dymaxion oxy
oxydymaxion
Jun 14, 2013 4:55 pm
http://eprints.ucl.ac.uk/20311/1/20311.pdf  Although I disagree with Mr. Skipper 's argument regarding the origins of the Stoics' development of their...
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Richard
pmsrxw
Jun 18, 2013 10:00 pm
Srephen Harvey-Brooks commenting on the Stoic FB Forum «From my reading, it seems the Stoic moderate asceticism evolved out of Cynic extreme asceticism,...
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Steve Stoker
otnac6
Jun 18, 2013 10:46 pm
I do wonder if personality type may influence whether one is ascetic or moderate. I said several times on this forum that, for me, the golden mean seems the...
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TheophileEscargot
snailman100
8:54 am
There are certainly strong links between Cynicism and Stoicism. Zeno, the founder of Stoicism, originally studied under the Cynic Crates. They seem to have...
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Richard
pmsrxw
2:04 pm
Thanks TheophileEscargot for a very informative dissertation. It does seem that Virtue is common to both systems yet - Stoicism highly values living in harmony...
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Dave Kelly
ptypes
6:16 pm
... Virtue is common to both systems as to what is necessary and sufficient for happiness; which distinguishes these two philosophies from Aristotelianism,...
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Richard
pmsrxw
6:28 pm
Dave Kelly: «This is the crucial distinction, and not the categorical, black and white contrast of (moderate) Stoicism with (extreme) cynicism which you have...
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Dave
ptypes
6:48 pm
Of course I meant you....
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Richard
pmsrxw
6:59 pm
«Of course I meant you.» I find this odd ... Srephen Harvey-Brooks commenting on the Stoic FB Forum «From my reading, it seems the Stoic moderate asceticism...
