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Any advice on how to actually become a stoic?   Message List  
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Re: Any advice on how to actually become a stoic?

Try to be more 'self-observant'. Maybe even keep a journal (I think Seneca
recommends this, but I can't locate the reference).

If we really do believe that the only good is virtuous action and the only
bad vicious action, and that whatever befalls our projects and our bodies
cannot really be bad for us, we had best watch out that we live our lives
moment by moment putting this belief into practice.

One thing we must do is guard against the passions. Should someone annoy me,
should I spot myself actually becoming annoyed, so that rather than just
observing the situation with the view to making the best decisions moment by
moment but instead start to *feel* anger or annoyance or frustration, I must
be ready to remind myself that I have suffered no harm. Certainly, my
project may have suffered a set back, but what is that to me? All that can
do it give me more work to sort it out. More work is what Stoics thrive on.
Our overall life project of exercising the virtues would be in sorry state
indeed if nothing needed fixing, if there were no problems to sort out, no
annoying people to test our resolve!

Try watching yourself as if you were a Stoic examiner testing a pupil! At
the day's end, write up a report in your journal pointing out where you did
well, and where you failed. Then next day, try to do better.

Guard against being satisfied or elated by what ordinary people regard as
successes. Whether a Stoic succeeds in some project is of almost no
importance. Obtaining those things that are appropriate for us (obvious
things such as food and companionship) is important, but the emphasis must
always be along the lines of 'Have I acted virtuously?' Getting what we seek
at the expense of behaving justly, say, is just as bad for us as failing to
get what we seek because we succumbed to fear (that is, if we failed to
exercise the virtue of courage successfully).

What is important is how we act, not what we gain thru our actions. If we
can keep a conscious grasp on this we will have a better chance of really
being Stoics.

Lastly, I consider myself to have been blessed by the greatest of fortune to
have discovered Stoic philosophy. As Marcus Aurelius says, the vast chain of
past causes have delivered me into the situation I now experience, and
whether or not there is a conscious force at the back of it all (Zeus) I owe
it to these forces, and to myself when I realise what sort of a creature I
am -- a sheep cannot owe anything to itself, it is the wrong sort of
creature -- to become the very best sort of creature that is possible for
me.

Live with honour,

Keith







Tue Oct 19, 1999 7:14 pm

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Dear Stoics, I've been receiving the posts from this group and the stoic commons for several months but I have not yet introduced myself. The reason for this ...
IgnatiusO2@xxx.xxx Send Email Oct 11, 1999
8:36 am

... Read A New Guide to Rational Living or anything else by Albert Ellis. He presents a modern version of stoicism (mixed with some other ideas). Good luck. ...
Bertram Rothschild
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Oct 11, 1999
5:11 pm

John-- You seemed to have hit upon one of the central issues of the life well-lived. The words of one person can only carry another so far. Epictetus is, in...
Pmbaysd@xxx.xxx Send Email Oct 11, 1999
7:32 pm

In my case, I first approached stoicism to see what it had to say to the art of acting. It was after all the reading that I found it sneaking into my daily ...
Geoffrey Howard
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Oct 11, 1999
10:07 pm

John, I am glad you spoke up and introduced yourself. I too have been reading the posts and Marcus A, Plato and Epictetus and trying to reach the point of...
Tricia
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Oct 11, 1999
11:53 pm

... disasters ... life ... Hello, John. Perhaps it's the Taoist in me, but I have long felt that reading the greats, while helpful, can only take you so far....
SDmtwi@xxx.xxx Send Email Oct 12, 1999
3:37 am

... From: Bertram Rothschild ... presents a modern version of stoicism (mixed >with some other ideas). Good luck. I'll second this suggestion. I ended up...
Lynn Dewees
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Oct 12, 1999
2:28 pm

Mostly a lurker, off and on, these days aboard the Stoic List, I've been struck by those who desire a kind of "way" to help them to be a stoic. I think Erik...
MurrellB@xxx.xxx Send Email Oct 12, 1999
7:08 pm

Hello John and Tricia, Welcome to you both. There certainly has been plenty of good advice! Here's my short list: 1) Know and accept where I am. Introspection...
Steve Marquis
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Oct 13, 1999
5:14 am

Wow Steve........ that progressive formula sounds perfect for the stoic actor approaching a role. Mind if I steal it? -- Geoffrey Howard MFA Directing/Acting ...
Geoffrey Howard
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Oct 13, 1999
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... Don't mind a bit. Steve...
Steve Marquis
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Oct 14, 1999
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Dear Fellow Stoics John Fleming wrote asking advice about how to put Stoicism into practice. These notions may help. First, consider trying meditation. You...
KRS
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Oct 18, 1999
3:14 am

Beautiful, Kenneth...
joan elkins
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Oct 18, 1999
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Try to be more 'self-observant'. Maybe even keep a journal (I think Seneca recommends this, but I can't locate the reference). If we really do believe that the...
Keith Seddon
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Oct 19, 1999
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