HO HO uH-Oh!
You better watch out, you better not cry, you better not pout, I'm telling you
why: Santarchy is coming to town!

The date is Saturday, December 20, 2008

It has been a battle of ideas, schedules, and resources, but the 20th it shall
be.  I am truly excited.  So close to Xmas, the city will be in FULL holiday
spirit, a wonderful background for our shenanigans.

A special benefit of the 20th is the use of a school bus and sober driver to
drag Santas around for part of the rampage, preventing a repeat of the deporable
MetroBus failure of 2007.

It would be nice if a given date in December worked for all the Santas but sadly
there is not such magical date.  There never is.

So get your Santa Suit on and come join us for StL Santarchy 2008.

what a bummer, I thought the date had been voted on..what was the final verdict?  Is the 20th the date that got the most votes?  Too bad, don't know if Jim and I will be able to make it...but like you said, you can't please everyone!
...C

---

To: stlouis_santarchy@yahoogroups.com
From: stlouisburn@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:44:14 -0800
Subject: [stlouis_santarchy] S t L S A N T A R C H Y 2 0 0 8 - Sat. Dec 20th

HO HO uH-Oh!
You better watch out, you better not cry, you better not pout, I'm telling you why: Santarchy is coming to town!

The date is Saturday, December 20, 2008

It has been a battle of ideas, schedules, and resources, but the 20th it shall be. I am truly excited. So close to Xmas, the city will be in FULL holiday spirit, a wonderful background for our shenanigans.

A special benefit of the 20th is the use of a school bus and sober driver to drag Santas around for part of the rampage, preventing a repeat of the deporable MetroBus failure of 2007.

It would be nice if a given date in December worked for all the Santas but sadly there is not such magical date. There never is.

So get your Santa Suit on and come join us for StL Santarchy 2008.

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HO HO uH-Oh!
You better watch out, you better not cry, you better not pout, I'm telling you why: Santarchy is coming to town!

The date is Saturday, December 20, 2008

It has been a battle of ideas, schedules, and resources, but the 20th it shall be. I am truly excited. So close to Xmas, the city will be in FULL holiday spirit, a wonderful background for our shenanigans.

A special benefit of the 20th is the use of a school bus and sober driver to drag Santas around for part of the rampage, preventing a repeat of the deporable MetroBus failure of 2007.

It would be nice if a given date in December worked for all the Santas but sadly there is not such magical date. There never is.

So get your Santa Suit on and come join us for StL Santarchy 2008.

While I don't want to turn the Santarchy date into some big
controversial topic, I am going to chime in here with my two cents.

From what I have read, the only real reasons why the 20th is the
current date was the availability of the school bus for private
transportation and the pending road construction. While I agree that
the use of public transportation has been problematic in the past,
especially later at night, it has also always been one of the best
parts of Santarchy. Riding the bus or Metro in full regalia at various
stages of inebriation throughout the day was always an adventure.
Waiting at the various stops always made time for fun, clandestine
flask use, great timing for a quick smoke, and excellent opportunities
to interact with the public. Yes the school bus would be "convenient,"
but would it really be Santarchy without the ritual of public
transportation?

Regarding the road construction information that was posted earlier
using this link as a reference:
 
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/special/navigatinghighway40.nsf/story/980C\
E0A91021FA5B8625739A0022B9DB?OpenDocument
The story at the link is from 2007... If I am misreading and there is
actually going to be construction at Kingshighway this year...so be
it. That phase of the Hwy 40 rebuild is starting whether we like it or
not, and will still be occurring on the 20th as well, I'd assume.

Now, we all know that Santarchy is actually a two day event...one day
to be Santa, and one day to sleep it off. With the date being set on
the 20th, Sunday the 21st is gone as well....that really doesn't leave
much time for last minute Christmas preparations. Many extended
families gather together the weekend before Christmas, allowing
smaller, immediate family gatherings on Christmas eve and Christmas
day. If one were planning to travel over the holidays, the
weekend/week before is probably when most people would be planning to
leave. Then there is the issue of those that work in retail. Having
been in that unenviable position myself in the past, I can attest that
the weekend/week before Christmas is a time that is nearly impossible
to take off of work, and while at work, you had better not be hungover
because its going to be hell if you are.

Lastly, I would like to also mention that many workplaces tend to hold
their holiday parties the Saturday before Christmas. I know that mine
does, as well as Cheryl's. I know that we have several school and
workplace acquaintances that are excited about the prospect of their
first Santarchy, that would likely be unable to attend on the 20th.
While it would be theoretically possible to do multiple events, it
would mean being unable to enjoy Santarchy the way it should be enjoyed.

If there are reasons for choosing the 20th over the 13th that I am
unaware of, I am sorry. I can only base this argument on what I have
read on this board. Yes, my reasons for writing this are entirely
selfish- I want Cheryl and I to be able to go to Santarchy 2008, all
day, all night, the full, interactive, inebriated experience. I want
to see all of my Santarchy friends decked out in their red and white
finery, wreaking havoc across the countryside. It saddens me to think
that I may not get to sing refrains of the never ending "You Better
Watch Out!" or hear the infamout cry of "HO HO HO, SANTA'S GOTTA GO!"
If the 20th remains the chosen date, then I am afraid that this sad
eventuality will come to pass.

Enough ranting from me for now, sorry for the length,
Kung-Fu-Rabbit

I agree, what about parking the bus at a way point where public
transport becomes flaky, like union station, from there the bus could
take us to south grand then the grove then soulard or some other mash
up
G

On 11/12/08, Kung-Fu-Rabbit <jim.malina@...> wrote:
> While I don't want to turn the Santarchy date into some big
> controversial topic, I am going to chime in here with my two cents.
>
> From what I have read, the only real reasons why the 20th is the
> current date was the availability of the school bus for private
> transportation and the pending road construction. While I agree that
> the use of public transportation has been problematic in the past,
> especially later at night, it has also always been one of the best
> parts of Santarchy. Riding the bus or Metro in full regalia at various
> stages of inebriation throughout the day was always an adventure.
> Waiting at the various stops always made time for fun, clandestine
> flask use, great timing for a quick smoke, and excellent opportunities
> to interact with the public. Yes the school bus would be "convenient,"
> but would it really be Santarchy without the ritual of public
> transportation?
>
> Regarding the road construction information that was posted earlier
> using this link as a reference:
>
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/special/navigatinghighway40.nsf/story/980C\
E0A91021FA5B8625739A0022B9DB?OpenDocument
> The story at the link is from 2007... If I am misreading and there is
> actually going to be construction at Kingshighway this year...so be
> it. That phase of the Hwy 40 rebuild is starting whether we like it or
> not, and will still be occurring on the 20th as well, I'd assume.
>
> Now, we all know that Santarchy is actually a two day event...one day
> to be Santa, and one day to sleep it off. With the date being set on
> the 20th, Sunday the 21st is gone as well....that really doesn't leave
> much time for last minute Christmas preparations. Many extended
> families gather together the weekend before Christmas, allowing
> smaller, immediate family gatherings on Christmas eve and Christmas
> day. If one were planning to travel over the holidays, the
> weekend/week before is probably when most people would be planning to
> leave. Then there is the issue of those that work in retail. Having
> been in that unenviable position myself in the past, I can attest that
> the weekend/week before Christmas is a time that is nearly impossible
> to take off of work, and while at work, you had better not be hungover
> because its going to be hell if you are.
>
> Lastly, I would like to also mention that many workplaces tend to hold
> their holiday parties the Saturday before Christmas. I know that mine
> does, as well as Cheryl's. I know that we have several school and
> workplace acquaintances that are excited about the prospect of their
> first Santarchy, that would likely be unable to attend on the 20th.
> While it would be theoretically possible to do multiple events, it
> would mean being unable to enjoy Santarchy the way it should be enjoyed.
>
> If there are reasons for choosing the 20th over the 13th that I am
> unaware of, I am sorry. I can only base this argument on what I have
> read on this board. Yes, my reasons for writing this are entirely
> selfish- I want Cheryl and I to be able to go to Santarchy 2008, all
> day, all night, the full, interactive, inebriated experience. I want
> to see all of my Santarchy friends decked out in their red and white
> finery, wreaking havoc across the countryside. It saddens me to think
> that I may not get to sing refrains of the never ending "You Better
> Watch Out!" or hear the infamout cry of "HO HO HO, SANTA'S GOTTA GO!"
> If the 20th remains the chosen date, then I am afraid that this sad
> eventuality will come to pass.
>
> Enough ranting from me for now, sorry for the length,
> Kung-Fu-Rabbit
>
>

--
Sent from my mobile device

"They are not jackbooted Nazi thugs. They are merely German policemen
in spiffy uniforms here to help us."
- Vichy government (1941 - 1945)

How is this relevant?

That story is from 2007, not 2008.

There are no announcements regarding December closures on the I-64
website.


--- In stlouis_santarchy@yahoogroups.com, barbara tabor
<barbaratabor@...> wrote:
>
>
> that was suppose to read 12/6 & 12/13. 40 will be shut down under
kingshighway both weekends.
> they will be detouring traffic on the on & off ramps and across
kingshighway.
>  Babs
>
> To: stlouis_santarchy@...: barbaratabor@...: Mon, 10 Nov 2008
10:19:01 -0600Subject: [stlouis_santarchy] santarchy travel conflict
>
>
>
> kingshighway & 40/64 area is something we want to avoid if traveling
by road on 12/6 or 12/7.
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/special/navigatinghighway40.nsf/story/980C\
E0A91021FA5B8625739A0022B9DB?OpenDocument

>  Babs
>

As long as the date is set, I can arrange my schedule, I think. I will make sure
tomorrow. In
fact, with the date being so late, I'm thinking that our favorite HoHoHo (Tanya)
may be able
to join us, as well as some Naughty Elves! I *love* the bus idea, let me know if
it costs us
anything. We will cheerfully pitch in!

For Santas not available on the 20th, may I humbly suggest a secondary event?

My Steampunk group is planning a caroling adventure. We're going to dress in our
SteamPunk Finery and run around like Dickensian Carolers. We're still planning
our route, but
the two front runners are Downtown St. Charles and the Washington
District/Landing.

We're planning to carol our way from bar to bar (and probably some of the
restaurants, too)
to eat, drink, sing, and be merry. Punked-up carols may be a part of this
adventure.

If you're interested in Steampunk in the St. Louis area, I recommend joining our
yahoogroup.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stleampunk/?yguid=6456839

If you're not really into steampunk but want to dress up as Santa and join us,
we'd welcome
you!

Last I heard...which was yesterday...the Cabin is closed again :( I
didn't even make it down this time for this incarnation. Oh well...I'm
sure there'll be another.
KFR
--- In stlouis_santarchy@yahoogroups.com, "Lisa Molnar" <lisaraa@...>
wrote:
>
> I am fine with either date & the bus thing sounds really fun- I've never
> done a pub crawl with a bus...in past Santarchys I always rode
around with
> Bapi as taxi driver -haha!
> I would like to suggest a stop though...I heard that the Cabin Inn
the City
> @ City Museum is open again. I remember my first Santarchy- I think
2004 (?)
> & it was really cool hanging around the fire pit!
>
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 7:54 PM, Tricia Overkamp <feyqueenmab@...>wrote:
>
> >   As long as the date is set, I can arrange my schedule, I think.
I will
> > make sure tomorrow. In
> > fact, with the date being so late, I'm thinking that our favorite
HoHoHo
> > (Tanya) may be able
> > to join us, as well as some Naughty Elves! I *love* the bus idea,
let me
> > know if it costs us
> > anything. We will cheerfully pitch in!
> >
> > For Santas not available on the 20th, may I humbly suggest a secondary
> > event?
> >
> > My Steampunk group is planning a caroling adventure. We're going
to dress
> > in our
> > SteamPunk Finery and run around like Dickensian Carolers. We're still
> > planning our route, but
> > the two front runners are Downtown St. Charles and the Washington
> > District/Landing.
> >
> > We're planning to carol our way from bar to bar (and probably some
of the
> > restaurants, too)
> > to eat, drink, sing, and be merry. Punked-up carols may be a part
of this
> > adventure.
> >
> > If you're interested in Steampunk in the St. Louis area, I recommend
> > joining our yahoogroup.
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stleampunk/?yguid=6456839
> >
> > If you're not really into steampunk but want to dress up as Santa
and join
> > us, we'd welcome
> > you!
> >
> >
> >
>

I think that my sources may have been incorrect on this one, the cabin
has a website, www.cabin-inn.com
and they have music on the schedule for the upcoming weeks. Judging by
this, I would make the assumption that they are indeed still open.
Sorry for the incorrect information that I earlier posted.
KFR
--- In stlouis_santarchy@yahoogroups.com, "Kung-Fu-Rabbit"
<jim.malina@...> wrote:
>
> Last I heard...which was yesterday...the Cabin is closed again :( I
> didn't even make it down this time for this incarnation. Oh well...I'm
> sure there'll be another.
> KFR
> --- In stlouis_santarchy@yahoogroups.com, "Lisa Molnar" <lisaraa@>
> wrote:
> >
> > I am fine with either date & the bus thing sounds really fun- I've
never
> > done a pub crawl with a bus...in past Santarchys I always rode
> around with
> > Bapi as taxi driver -haha!
> > I would like to suggest a stop though...I heard that the Cabin Inn
> the City
> > @ City Museum is open again. I remember my first Santarchy- I think
> 2004 (?)
> > & it was really cool hanging around the fire pit!
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 7:54 PM, Tricia Overkamp <feyqueenmab@>wrote:
> >
> > >   As long as the date is set, I can arrange my schedule, I think.
> I will
> > > make sure tomorrow. In
> > > fact, with the date being so late, I'm thinking that our favorite
> HoHoHo
> > > (Tanya) may be able
> > > to join us, as well as some Naughty Elves! I *love* the bus idea,
> let me
> > > know if it costs us
> > > anything. We will cheerfully pitch in!
> > >
> > > For Santas not available on the 20th, may I humbly suggest a
secondary
> > > event?
> > >
> > > My Steampunk group is planning a caroling adventure. We're going
> to dress
> > > in our
> > > SteamPunk Finery and run around like Dickensian Carolers. We're
still
> > > planning our route, but
> > > the two front runners are Downtown St. Charles and the Washington
> > > District/Landing.
> > >
> > > We're planning to carol our way from bar to bar (and probably some
> of the
> > > restaurants, too)
> > > to eat, drink, sing, and be merry. Punked-up carols may be a part
> of this
> > > adventure.
> > >
> > > If you're interested in Steampunk in the St. Louis area, I recommend
> > > joining our yahoogroup.
> > >
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stleampunk/?yguid=6456839
> > >
> > > If you're not really into steampunk but want to dress up as Santa
> and join
> > > us, we'd welcome
> > > you!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

also, as many have done in the past, a truncated SanTarchY is an option

I had heard that as well, but Velvet posted on the Gateway Burners list
yesterday that in fact, the Cabin Inn is open and hopping.
~rain

--- In stlouis_santarchy@yahoogroups.com, "Kung-Fu-Rabbit"
<jim.malina@...> wrote:
>
> Last I heard...which was yesterday...the Cabin is closed again :( I
> didn't even make it down this time for this incarnation. Oh well...I'm
> sure there'll be another.
> KFR

----- Original Message -----

From: Kung-Fu-Rabbit

To: stlouis_santarchy@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 9:13 AM

Subject: [stlouis_santarchy] Re: A date!

I think that my sources may have been incorrect on this one, the cabin
has a website, www.cabin-inn.com
and they have music on the schedule for the upcoming weeks. Judging by
this, I would make the assumption that they are indeed still open.
Sorry for the incorrect information that I earlier posted.
KFR
--- In stlouis_santarchy@yahoogroups.com, "Kung-Fu-Rabbit"
<jim.malina@...> wrote:
>
> Last I heard...which was yesterday...the Cabin is closed again :( I
> didn't even make it down this time for this incarnation. Oh well...I'm
> sure there'll be another.
> KFR
> --- In stlouis_santarchy@yahoogroups.com, "Lisa Molnar" <lisaraa@>
> wrote:
> >
> > I am fine with either date & the bus thing sounds really fun- I've
never
> > done a pub crawl with a bus...in past Santarchys I always rode
> around with
> > Bapi as taxi driver -haha!
> > I would like to suggest a stop though...I heard that the Cabin Inn
> the City
> > @ City Museum is open again. I remember my first Santarchy- I think
> 2004 (?)
> > & it was really cool hanging around the fire pit!
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 7:54 PM, Tricia Overkamp <feyqueenmab@>wrote:
> >
> > > As long as the date is set, I can arrange my schedule, I think.
> I will
> > > make sure tomorrow. In
> > > fact, with the date being so late, I'm thinking that our favorite
> HoHoHo
> > > (Tanya) may be able
> > > to join us, as well as some Naughty Elves! I *love* the bus idea,
> let me
> > > know if it costs us
> > > anything. We will cheerfully pitch in!
> > >
> > > For Santas not available on the 20th, may I humbly suggest a
secondary
> > > event?
> > >
> > > My Steampunk group is planning a caroling adventure. We're going
> to dress
> > > in our
> > > SteamPunk Finery and run around like Dickensian Carolers. We're
still
> > > planning our route, but
> > > the two front runners are Downtown St. Charles and the Washington
> > > District/Landing.
> > >
> > > We're planning to carol our way from bar to bar (and probably some
> of the
> > > restaurants, too)
> > > to eat, drink, sing, and be merry. Punked-up carols may be a part
> of this
> > > adventure.
> > >
> > > If you're interested in Steampunk in the St. Louis area, I recommend
> > > joining our yahoogroup.
> > >
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stleampunk/?yguid=6456839
> > >
> > > If you're not really into steampunk but want to dress up as Santa
> and join
> > > us, we'd welcome
> > > you!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

I would prefer staying on or close to the metro train route.  If this
Santa has a little elf emergency he might have to head back
to the north pole. This Santa get lost easily.





--- In stlouis_santarchy@yahoogroups.com, "Michelle Vollmar Powers"
<michelle@...> wrote:
>
> Particularly agree with the:
>
> fewer opportunities to hand out gifts and interract w/ boys and
girls -
> boys and girls that wait all year long hoping to see Santas join
them on
> their Metro ride or marching through their 'hood!  :o)
>
> ~Michelvis
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: stlouis_santarchy@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:stlouis_santarchy@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amanda
Gainey
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:45 PM
> To: stlouis_santarchy@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [stlouis_santarchy] S t L S A N T A R C H Y 2 0 0 8 -
Sat.
> Dec 20th
>
>
>
> True.  But I think that the only 'long haul' on a bus was the
downtown
> to Soulard route.  Other than that, just some minor bus rides,
nothing
> that couldn't be walked if need be or couldn't be substituted w/
another
> bar.  Short hops on the bus are OK, it just potentially causes
problems
> when there's a lot of many long trips relying on the Metro bus like
last
> year.
>
>
>
> Another con of taking a school bus versus Metrolink/short Metro bus
> hops, is there are fewer opportunities to hand out gifts and
interract
> w/ boys and girls - boys and girls that wait all year long hoping
to see
> Santas join them on their Metro ride or marching through
their 'hood!
> :o)
>
> --- On Wed, 11/12/08, barbara tabor <barbaratabor@...> wrote:
>
>  From: barbara tabor <barbaratabor@...>
>  Subject: RE: [stlouis_santarchy] S t L S A N T A R C H Y 2 0
0 8
> - Sat. Dec 20th
>  To: stlouis_santarchy@yahoogroups.com
>  Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 11:00 AM
>
>  the route 2 years ago did include busses.  that's how we got
> from downtown to soulard also.
>
> 	 <http://graphics.hotmail.com/emlips.gif>  Babs
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
>  To: stlouis_santarchy@ yahoogroups. com
>  From: millsapm@yahoo. com
>  Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 07:26:12 -0800
>  Subject: Re: [stlouis_santarchy] S t L S A N T A R C H Y 2 0
0 8
> - Sat. Dec 20th
>
> Will one bus be enough?  How will we know, Santas do not typically
RSVP.
> Wouldn't want to have to leave Santas behind.  :o(
>
>
>
> I'm a fan of the MetroLink route personally.  It seemed to work out
fine
> 2 years ago and I don't recall having to walk super far then.  The
CWE
> walk was probably the longest back from Llywellen's but we took the
bus
> there.  Could do that again, plan on taking the bus to Llywellen's
then
> walking down Euclid on the way back, handing out treats to naughty
boys
> and girls, with the Rosie's stop in between.  In case of inclement
> weather, maybe have a substitute bar, say Tom's instead of
Llywellen's,
> which is very close to the MetroLink stop, so we are not relying on
the
> bus.
>
> --- On Wed, 11/12/08, Brad Finkeldei <bradfinkeldei@ gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>  From: Brad Finkeldei <bradfinkeldei@ gmail.com>
>  Subject: Re: [stlouis_santarchy] S t L S A N T A R C H Y 2 0
0 8
> - Sat. Dec 20th
>  To: "stlouis_santarchy@ yahoogroups. com" <stlouis_santarchy@
> yahoogroups. com>
>  Cc: "Santarchy" <stlouis_santarchy@ yahoogroups. com>
>  Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 7:55 AM
>
>  Lohr, I might be able to make the 20th.  Is there a cost for
the
> bus?  Do we have a general time frame yet?
>
>  Brad
>
>
>  Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>  On Nov 11, 2008, at 8:44 PM, Lohr <stlouisburn@ yahoo.com
> <mailto:stlouisburn@...> > wrote:
>
> 	 HO HO uH-Oh!
> 	 You better watch out, you better not cry, you better
not
> pout, I'm telling you why: Santarchy is coming to town!
>
> 	 The date is Saturday, December 20, 2008
>
> 	 It has been a battle of ideas, schedules, and
resources,
> but the 20th it shall be. I am truly excited. So close to Xmas, the
city
> will be in FULL holiday spirit, a wonderful background for our
> shenanigans.
>
> 	 A special benefit of the 20th is the use of a school
bus
> and sober driver to drag Santas around for part of the rampage,
> preventing a repeat of the deporable MetroBus failure of 2007.
>
> 	 It would be nice if a given date in December worked
for
> all the Santas but sadly there is not such magical date. There
never is.
>
>
> 	 So get your Santa Suit on and come join us for StL
> Santarchy 2008.
>

It did put a new spin on things when we all needed to huddle waiting
for the ghost bus but it was great fun when Super Dave Santa saved us
all! I definitely want to keep The Grove on the route bcs it was the
highlight of the night. The secret santa costume contest Novaks put on
for us and then hitting our burner stomping grounds at Atomic was a
blast. To this day, the owner still says it was the best party of all
year. I say we just make sure we have a plan B for transportation in
case the bus is late again. Maybe we could see if Dave would bring out
the school bus and we offer him gratuity for gas...

-Rae


--- In stlouis_santarchy@yahoogroups.com, "convx4" <convx4@...> wrote:
>
> Is there any way to keep the craw within the metro link train route?
> At the end of the night we were stuck and out of luck at the Grove
last
> year.  The snow was festive but the joy was long gone when the busses
> stoped becouse of it.
>