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This should be built by a person in time for all the fun rides in 2010, i.e. Moonlight Ramble, Cranksgiving, WNBR, and the BikeFROMWork series.

Another thought was to make the "seat" more comfortable & have that builder install a pad of foam cut out for the lid, and the de rigueur carpet seat cover installed for the rider.

And...that person is me!

I saw this also someplace on a website (who knows where, as I spend hours, nay, many waking hours on the internet) and now, I am inspired.

Rob, liked the line about the "crappy setup". Good choice of words!

So, it's off to find the "parts" and build this thing. I notice the front wheel is actually a unicycle wheel, and I wish I hadn't sold off the one I had years ago. Oh well, they are easy to find.

More to come.....

Brian.Vanderheyden

Rob Anderson wrote:

The Wheels of Life
A friend sent this pic with no explanation.

Kind of a crappy setup if you ask me but I guess you could multi-task with this arrangement.

#11246

From: "D Eisenbraun" <eisenbraun@...>
Date: Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:44 pm
Subject: Re: New York's bike clubs - Bike jousting

david_eisenb...

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With his knees up 8 or 10 inches higher than the handle bars, it wasn't possible to get up much speed and they used well padded jousts. I think they usually wore bike helmets. No permanent damage. :-)

Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: Harold Karabell

To: stlbikefed@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 9:38 AM

Subject: Re: [stlbikefed] New York's bike clubs - Bike jousting

I trust that he hasn't been injured too badly! Does your son wear body and head armor while on his "steed?"

B'shalom,

Harold

On Dec 20, 2009, at 7:48 AM, D Eisenbraun wrote:

One of my sons has done bike jousting, although not as part of a club or anything. He bought a couple of 12" bikes for the purpose.

Dave E

----- Original Message -----
From: Harold Karabell

To: stlbikefed@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 9:06 PM

Subject: [stlbikefed] New York's bike clubs - Bike jousting

Anyone know of anything this "extreme" in St. Louis?

Not that Old Turtle ever would think of participating, not even in his! / span>
"salad daze." :)

http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/people/columns/intelligencer/9381/

#11245

From: Martin Pion <mpion@...>
Date: Sun Dec 20, 2009 6:19 pm
Subject: amending discriminatory state law [was: Bikes allowed full use of lane: baufl.org]

martinpion

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On the subject of signage, I've been trying for years to get such signs erected on Florissant Rd. in downtown Ferguson, so far with no luck, so I just control the lane sans signage, and that works anyway.

But I'd like to go beyond that, which is why I've been seeking state sponsors in the House and Senate for a bill that would amend the present discriminatory language in state law - the so-called FTR (Far To Right) law - and replace it with the following section allowing bicyclists to make the decision as to where it is safest for them to ride on the road:

[strike through = removed; italic = added]

Riding to right, required in lane, bike lane or on shoulder for bicycles and motorized bicycles

307.190. Every person operating a bicycle or motorized bicycle at less than the posted speed or slower than the flow of traffic upon a street or highway shall ride as near to the right side of the roadway as safe, exercising exercise due care when passing a standing vehicle or one proceeding in the same direction, except when making a left turn, when avoiding hazardous conditions, when the lane is too narrow to share with another vehicle, or when on a one-way street. Bicyclists may ride two abreast when not impeding other vehicles. Where bicyclists have the option of a bicycle lane or shoulder, they may choose to use them instead of controlling or sharing the travel lane.

Sincerely,

Martin Pion

League Cycling Instructor #625

Conservion - "Think Bicycling!"

314/524-8029

http://conservion.com/

"Cyclists fare best when they act like and are treated as drivers of vehicles."

-- John Forester

On Dec 17, 2009, at 9:27 PM, Karen Karabell wrote:

On Dec 17, 2009, at 6:04 PM, Dave Lloyd wrote:

I thought you all may be interested in this site. I think I'll be purchasing a few stickers:
http://www.baufl.org/

From another listserv: News that the "bible" for traffic engineers, the Manual of Uniform Traffic Control Devices, has been updated to better accommodate bicycle traffic. See below.
Karen

On Dec 16, 2009, at 11:10 AM, Bob Shanteau wrote:

Richard Moeur informed us that the FHWA issued the 2009 MUTCD today: He has requested a version with additions and deletions marked, but for the time being we have only the 2009 MUTCD itself:
<http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/htm/2009/html_index.htm>

On a quick glance, though, I noticed new sections on the BMUFL sign and the sharrow:
Section 9B.06 Bicycles May Use Full Lane Sign (R4-11)
Option:
01    The Bicycles May Use Full Lane (R4-11) sign (see Figure 9B-2) may be used on roadways where no bicycle lanes or adjacent shoulders usable by bicyclists are present and where travel lanes are too narrow for bicyclists and motor vehicles to operate side by side.
02    The Bicycles May Use Full Lane sign may be used in locations where it is important to inform road users that bicyclists might occupy the travel lane.
03    Section 9C.07 describes a Shared Lane Marking that may be used in addition to or instead of the Bicycles May Use Full Lane sign to inform road users that bicyclists might occupy the travel lane.
Support:
04    The Uniform Vehicle Code (UVC) defines a "substandard width lane" as a "lane that is too narrow for a bicycle and a vehicle to travel safely side by side within the same lane."
Section 9C.07 Shared Lane Marking
Option:
01    The Shared Lane Marking shown in Figure 9C-9 may be used to:
Figure 9C-9 Shared Lane Marking
<mime-attachment.gif>
Assist bicyclists with lateral positioning in a shared lane with on-street parallel parking in order to reduce the chance of a bicyclist's impacting the open door of a parked vehicle,
Assist bicyclists with lateral positioning in lanes that are too narrow for a motor vehicle and a bicycle to travel side by side within the same traffic lane,
Alert road users of the lateral location bicyclists are likely to occupy within the traveled way,
Encourage safe passing of bicyclists by motorists, and
Reduce the incidence of wrong-way bicycling.
Guidance:
02    The Shared Lane Marking should not be placed on roadways that have a speed limit above 35 mph.
Standard:
03    Shared Lane Markings shall not be used on shoulders or in designated bicycle lanes.
Guidance:
04    If used in a shared lane with on-street parallel parking, Shared Lane Markings should be placed so that the centers of the markings are at least 11 feet from the face of the curb, or from the edge of the pavement where there is no curb.
05    If used on a street without on-street parking that has an outside travel lane that is less than 14 feet wide, the centers of the Shared Lane Markings should be at least 4 feet from the face of the curb, or from the edge of the pavement where there is no curb.
06    If used, the Shared Lane Marking should be placed immediately after an intersection and spaced at intervals not greater than 250 feet thereafter.
Option:
07    Section 9B.06 describes a Bicycles May Use Full Lane sign that may be used in addition to or instead of the Shared Lane Marking to inform road users that bicyclists might occupy the travel lane.

The list of approved signs <http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/htm/2009/part9/part9b.htm#table9B01> contains neither a Bikes Allowed Full Use of Lane warning sign nor a Bikes In Lane sign, so they are now officially unapproved at the Federal level:

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Bob Shanteau
Transportation Engineering Liaison
California Association of Bicycling Organizations

Robert M Shanteau, PhD, PE
Consulting Traffic Engineer
13 Primrose Cir
Seaside, CA 93955-4133
Voice: (831) 394-9420
Cell: (831) 917-0248
FAX: (831) 394-6045

#11244

From: Harold Karabell <karabell@...>
Date: Sun Dec 20, 2009 3:49 pm
Subject: Re: Fw: The Wheels of Life

kkarabell

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A "crappy setup" indeed! :) :) :)

On Dec 20, 2009, at 2:07 AM, Mike Schwab wrote:

http://www.porcelainpoetry.faketrix.com/funny-toilet-picture-89-bicycle-toilet-seat.htm

Two cargo compartments. The tank would be useful, if it does not have
the working parts in it.

On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 1:31 AM, Rob Anderson <r_p_anderson@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> A friend sent this pic with no explanation.
>
> Kind of a crappy setup if you ask me but I guess you could multi-task with this arrangement.
>

--
Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA
Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all?

#11243

From: Harold Karabell <karabell@...>
Date: Sun Dec 20, 2009 3:45 pm
Subject: Re: Fwd: [BicycleDriving] Washington Post column on a DC meeting to promote Complete Streets

kkarabell

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I don't quite understand the objection to "rural shoulders" myself, except perhaps that shoulders tend to attract refuse, broken glass, and other road hazards. This was the case when we rode across the 367 bridge to St. Charles a few years ago.

But it's also true of bike lanes as well, especially the one across the McKinley Bridge. Every time that I've ridden across the McKinley, I've had to dodge the remains of beer & wine bottles.

B'shalom,

Harold

On Dec 20, 2009, at 8:38 AM, wilsonjb@... wrote:

-----Original Message-----
From: Harold Karabell <karabell@i1.net>
To: stlbikefed@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:41 pm
Subject: [stlbikefed] Fwd: [BicycleDriving] Washington Post column on a DC meeting to promote Complete Streets

Begin forwarded message:

From: Bob Shanteau <rmshant@gmail.com>
Date: December 18, 2009 5:23:09 PM CST
To: BicycleDriving <bicycledriving@googlegroups.com>
Subject: [BicycleDriving] Washington Post column on a DC meeting to promote Complete Streets

The usual catering to the traffic fearful. These influential folks refuse to believe that bicyclists can be drivers. Congressman Blumenauer in particular spreads a common myth: "unless sufficient shoulders are added to country roads, bikes are dangerously exposed � 'a suicide situation.'"

Bob Shanteau
<snip>

Riding on the rural highways outside of Hermann in September certainly was pretty scary. It's quite hilly, the roads are narrow, with no shoulders, and the traffic, though not heavy, is fast-moving and often large (BIG pickups). When we got to our destination, the people there were more amazed that we had biked from Hermann than that we had biked from west St. Louis county. If we make the trip again, we would probably rent a car in Hermann for the last twelve miles out of town.

I don't know if making all rural roads in the US bike-friendly is a reasonable ambition, but "catering to the traffic fearful" with facilities that provide high rates of actual and perceived safety is how the Netherlands has achieved its enviable high rate of cycling. I want more of it, not less.
--Joyce

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#11242

From: Harold Karabell <karabell@...>
Date: Sun Dec 20, 2009 3:38 pm
Subject: Re: New York's bike clubs - Bike jousting

kkarabell

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I trust that he hasn't been injured too badly! Does your son wear body and head armor while on his "steed?"

B'shalom,

Harold

On Dec 20, 2009, at 7:48 AM, D Eisenbraun wrote:

One of my sons has done bike jousting, although not as part of a club or anything. He bought a couple of 12" bikes for the purpose.

Dave E

----- Original Message -----
From: Harold Karabell
To: stlbikefed@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 9:06 PM
Subject: [stlbikefed] New York's bike clubs - Bike jousting

Anyone know of anything this "extreme" in St. Louis?

Not that Old Turtle ever would think of participating, not even in his
"salad daze." :)

http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/people/columns/intelligencer/9381/

#11241

From: wilsonjb@...
Date: Sun Dec 20, 2009 2:38 pm
Subject: Re: Fwd: [BicycleDriving] Washington Post column on a DC meeting to promote Complete Streets

qmacrocarpa

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-----Original Message-----
From: Harold Karabell <karabell@...>
To: stlbikefed@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:41 pm
Subject: [stlbikefed] Fwd: [BicycleDriving] Washington Post column on a DC meeting to promote Complete Streets

Begin forwarded message:

From: Bob Shanteau <rmshant@...>

Date: December 18, 2009 5:23:09 PM CST

To: BicycleDriving <bicycledriving@googlegroups.com>

Subject: [BicycleDriving] Washington Post column on a DC meeting to promote Complete Streets

The usual catering to the traffic fearful. These influential folks refuse to believe that bicyclists can be drivers. Congressman Blumenauer in particular spreads a common myth: "unless sufficient shoulders are added to country roads, bikes are dangerously exposed – 'a suicide situation.'"

Bob Shanteau

<snip>

Riding on the rural highways outside of Hermann in September certainly was pretty scary. It's quite hilly, the roads are narrow, with no shoulders, and the traffic, though not heavy, is fast-moving and often large (BIG pickups). When we got to our destination, the people there were more amazed that we had biked from Hermann than that we had biked from west St. Louis county. If we make the trip again, we would probably rent a car in Hermann for the last twelve miles out of town.

I don't know if making all rural roads in the US bike-friendly is a reasonable ambition, but "catering to the traffic fearful" with facilities that provide high rates of actual and perceived safety is how the Netherlands has achieved its enviable high rate of cycling. I want more of it, not less.
--Joyce

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#11240

From: "D Eisenbraun" <eisenbraun@...>
Date: Sun Dec 20, 2009 1:48 pm
Subject: Re: New York's bike clubs - Bike jousting

david_eisenb...

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One of my sons has done bike jousting, although not as part of a club or anything. He bought a couple of 12" bikes for the purpose.

Dave E

----- Original Message -----

From: Harold Karabell

To: stlbikefed@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 9:06 PM

Subject: [stlbikefed] New York's bike clubs - Bike jousting

Anyone know of anything this "extreme" in St. Louis?

Not that Old Turtle ever would think of participating, not even in his
"salad daze." :)

http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/people/columns/intelligencer/9381/

#11239

From: Mike Schwab <Mike.A.Schwab@...>
Date: Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:07 am
Subject: Re: Fw: The Wheels of Life

maschwab

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http://www.porcelainpoetry.faketrix.com/funny-toilet-picture-89-bicycle-toilet-s\
eat.htm

Two cargo compartments.  The tank would be useful, if it does not have
the working parts in it.

On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 1:31 AM, Rob Anderson <r_p_anderson@...> wrote:
>
> A friend sent this pic with no explanation.
>
> Kind of a crappy setup if you ask me but I guess you could multi-task with
this arrangement.
>

--
Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA
Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all?

#11238

From: Rob Anderson <r_p_anderson@...>
Date: Sun Dec 20, 2009 7:31 am
Subject: Fw: The Wheels of Life

r_p_anderson

Online Now

The Wheels of Life

A friend sent this pic with no explanation.

Kind of a crappy setup if you ask me but I guess you could multi-task with this arrangement.

#11237

From: Harold Karabell <karabell@...>
Date: Sun Dec 20, 2009 3:06 am
Subject: New York's bike clubs - Bike jousting

kkarabell

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Anyone know of anything this "extreme" in St. Louis?

Not that Old Turtle ever would think of participating, not even in his
"salad daze." :)


http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/people/columns/intelligencer/9381/

#11236

From: Harold Karabell <karabell@...>
Date: Sat Dec 19, 2009 12:41 am
Subject: Fwd: [BicycleDriving] Washington Post column on a DC meeting to promote Complete Streets

kkarabell

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Begin forwarded message:

From: Bob Shanteau <rmshant@...>
Date: December 18, 2009 5:23:09 PM CST
To: BicycleDriving <bicycledriving@googlegroups.com>
Subject: [BicycleDriving] Washington Post column on a DC meeting to promote Complete Streets

The usual catering to the traffic fearful. These influential folks refuse to believe that bicyclists can be drivers. Congressman Blumenauer in particular spreads a common myth: "unless sufficient shoulders are added to country roads, bikes are dangerously exposed � 'a suicide situation.'"

Bob Shanteau

Cycling Wheels Up the Policy Agenda

Neal Peirce <npeirce@...>
Dec 18 2009

For Release Sunday, December 20, 2009
� 2009 Washington Post Writers Group

Neal Peirce WASHINGTON � Can you imagine several hundred of this capital city�s policy wonks turning out for a two-hour discussion of bicycling?

A decade ago, it would have been unthinkable. But last week it happened, sponsored by the esteemed Brookings Institution, at a prime U.S. Capitol-view room of the fancy new Newseum on Pennsylvania Avenue.

It may have helped that the program included musician-artist-cultural innovator David Byrne, whose decades of observing cities worldwide�often from the seat of his bicycle�is reflected in his book, �Bicycle Diaries� (Viking).

But the new buzz about cycling is clearly a mark of the times. You can credit snarled traffic, ennui with driving, rising oil prices and/or concern about greenhouse gas emissions. Then there�s growing popular desire to revoke the monopoly control cars and trucks have on our streets and public spaces. There�s a clear tie to the �Complete Streets� movement, advancing the ideas of shared urban turf long espoused by such groups as Partners for Livable Communities and the Project for Public Spaces.

The scene�s also been set, though, with Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood declaring �livable communities� a priority goal of his department. And�important to the policy making set�there�ll be opportunity to enrich the 2010 reauthorization of the federal transportation program with bike-friendly provisions.

Congressman Earl Blumenauer (D-Ore.), founder-chair of the Congressional Bike Caucus and official Washington�s lead advocate for the cause, enlivened the Newseum event by a whimsical question: �How many people, right now, are stuck in traffic on their way to ride a stationary bicycle in a health club?�

Then he asked �Why can�t we have bike lanes on Pennsylvania Avenue? This is a vision that can happen�an example for every community in the country.�

Disclosure: Blumenauer and I are old friends and we sometimes encounter each other riding our bikes around Washington.

He foresees a possible �quantum increase� in pro-bike features in the upcoming transportation bill, including �green routes to work� and enlarging the Transportation Department�s existing Safe Routes to School program to include high schools. He also favors an expansion from four to 50 cities of an existing pilot program designed to encourage �mode shifts� toward walking and biking.

The big news of the Newseum affair�kickoff of a national �Cities for Cycling Initiative��was brought Janette Sadik-Khan, New York City�s transportation commissioner, who is fast gaining repute in transportation circles for her aggressive efforts to tame traffic and create bike- and pedestrian-safe routes in America�s largest city.

�People want to ride bikes. Make it safe for them and they will come,� said Sadik-Kahn, noting the sponsorship of the new C4C campaign by the 13-year old National Association of Transportation Officials (including department heads from Atlanta, Baltimore, Boston, Chicago, Detroit, Houston, Los Angeles, Minneapolis, New York, Philadelphia, Phoenix, Portland, San Francisco, Seattle and Washington).

C4C�s goal is to spread word of a surprisingly broad but not well-known range of pro-bike experiments that are already being tried in some U.S. and foreign cities.

One example: going beyond the increasingly familiar painted�but unprotected�street bike lanes by adding two- or three-foot wide buffer strips between the bike lanes and other traffic.

Even more safety is provided by �cycle tracks� � lanes that are totally protected from motorized traffic by plantings or mountable curbs, sometimes with special cycle traffic signals at intersections. Cycle tracks take space and may be expensive to install. But if cities expect more women, or whole families, to set out on cycle expeditions across town, nothing less may do. Currently cycle track installations are being tried in New York, San Francisco, Washington. Portland (Ore.), Cambridge (Mass.) and St. Petersburg (Fla.) � plus Germany, Denmark and the Netherlands.

Another pioneering experiment described on the C4C web site: low traffic volume streets, dubbed �bike boulevards,� which still allow cars but are made more safe for cyclists through traffic calming, speed inhibiting devices such as plantings and traffic islands, special pavement marking and signs. Portland�s the U.S. leader, but several other cities, Chicago, Long Beach and Seattle included, are trying the same.

Blumenauer says there�s �no one cookie-cutter solution� for bikes in cities, that each town needs to make its own choices. And there are rural issues, too, he notes: unless sufficient shoulders are added to country roads, bikes are dangerously exposed � �a suicide situation.�

How do bicycles pay their way on the roads, since they obviously don�t pay gas taxes? Cycling in place of car use is �the most cost-effective way to free up road space,� says Blumenauer. But he suggests that in return for roadway use, cyclists should be open to �a tiny fee� for the biking equipment they purchase.

The idea�s a sort of watershed�cyclists starting to qualify not just as recreation supplicants but serious players in America�s transportation decisions. It�s about time.

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#11235

From: Harold Karabell <karabell@...>
Date: Fri Dec 18, 2009 6:14 pm
Subject: Fwd: Green Strides Consulting - Green Strides Goes to Copenhagen Blog - Bicycles Rule in�Copenhagen

kkarabell

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>
>
http://www.greenstridesconsulting.com/green-strides-copenhagen-blog/2009/12/15/b\
icycles-rule-in-copenhagen.html

#11234

From: Dave Lloyd <dave@...>
Date: Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:10 pm
Subject: Re: Bikes allowed full use of lane: baufl.org

dlloyd1975

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http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/htm/2009/part9/part9_toc.htm

Yup!

For nerds, the bike section is here:

--dlloyd

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 21:27, Karen Karabell <karabellfamily@...> wrote:

On Dec 17, 2009, at 6:04 PM, Dave Lloyd wrote:

I thought you all may be interested in this site.� I think I'll be purchasing a few stickers:
http://www.baufl.org/

From another listserv: News that the "bible" for traffic engineers, the Manual of Uniform Traffic Control Devices, has been updated to better accommodate bicycle traffic. See below.

Karen

On Dec 16, 2009, at 11:10 AM, Bob Shanteau wrote:

Richard Moeur informed us that the FHWA issued the�2009 MUTCD today: He has requested a version with additions and deletions marked, but for the time being we have only the 2009 MUTCD itself:
<http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/htm/2009/html_index.htm>

On a quick glance, though, I noticed�new sections on the BMUFL sign and the sharrow:

Section 9B.06 Bicycles May Use Full Lane Sign (R4-11)
Option:
01��The Bicycles May Use Full Lane (R4-11) sign (see�Figure 9B-2) may be used on roadways where no bicycle lanes or adjacent shoulders usable by bicyclists are present and where travel lanes are too narrow for bicyclists and motor vehicles to operate side by side.

02��The Bicycles May Use Full Lane sign may be used in locations where it is important to inform road users that bicyclists might occupy the travel lane.
03��Section 9C.07�describes a Shared Lane Marking that may be used in addition to or instead of the Bicycles May Use Full Lane sign to inform road users that bicyclists might occupy the travel lane.

Support:
04��The Uniform Vehicle Code (UVC) defines a "substandard width lane" as a "lane that is too narrow for a bicycle and a vehicle to travel safely side by side within the same lane."

Section 9C.07 Shared Lane Marking
Option:
01�� The Shared Lane Marking shown in�Figure 9C-9�may be used to:

Figure 9C-9�Shared Lane Marking

Assist bicyclists with lateral positioning in a shared lane with on-street parallel parking in order to reduce the chance of a bicyclist's impacting the open door of a parked vehicle,

Assist bicyclists with lateral positioning in lanes that are too narrow for a motor vehicle and a bicycle to travel side by side within the same traffic lane,
Alert road users of the lateral location bicyclists are likely to occupy within the traveled way,

Encourage safe passing of bicyclists by motorists, and
Reduce the incidence of wrong-way bicycling.
Guidance:
02�� The Shared Lane Marking should not be placed on roadways that have a speed limit above 35 mph.

Standard:
03�� Shared Lane Markings shall not be used on shoulders or in designated bicycle lanes.
Guidance:
04�� If used in a shared lane with on-street parallel parking, Shared Lane Markings should be placed so that the centers of the markings are at least 11 feet from the face of the curb, or from the edge of the pavement where there is no curb.

05��If used on a street without on-street parking that has an outside travel lane that is less than 14 feet wide, the centers of the Shared Lane Markings should be at least 4 feet from the face of the curb, or from the edge of the pavement where there is no curb.

06��If used, the Shared Lane Marking should be placed immediately after an intersection and spaced at intervals not greater than 250 feet thereafter.
Option:
07��Section 9B.06�describes a Bicycles May Use Full Lane sign that may be used in addition to or instead of the Shared Lane Marking to inform road users that bicyclists might occupy the travel lane.

The list of approved signs�<http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/htm/2009/part9/part9b.htm#table9B01>�contains neither a Bikes Allowed Full Use of Lane warning sign nor a Bikes In Lane sign, so they are now officially unapproved at the Federal level:

Bob Shanteau
Transportation Engineering Liaison
California Association of Bicycling Organizations

Robert M Shanteau, PhD, PE
Consulting Traffic Engineer
13 Primrose Cir
Seaside, CA 93955-4133
Voice: (831) 394-9420
Cell: (831) 917-0248
FAX: (831) 394-6045

#11233

From: Karen Karabell <karabellfamily@...>
Date: Fri Dec 18, 2009 3:27 am
Subject: Re: Bikes allowed full use of lane: baufl.org

kkarabell

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On Dec 17, 2009, at 6:04 PM, Dave Lloyd wrote:

I thought you all may be interested in this site. I think I'll be purchasing a few stickers:
http://www.baufl.org/

From another listserv: News that the "bible" for traffic engineers, the Manual of Uniform Traffic Control Devices, has been updated to better accommodate bicycle traffic. See below.

Karen

On Dec 16, 2009, at 11:10 AM, Bob Shanteau wrote:

Richard Moeur informed us that the FHWA issued the 2009 MUTCD today: He has requested a version with additions and deletions marked, but for the time being we have only the 2009 MUTCD itself:
<http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/htm/2009/html_index.htm>

On a quick glance, though, I noticed new sections on the BMUFL sign and the sharrow:

Section 9B.06 Bicycles May Use Full Lane Sign (R4-11)
Option:
01    The Bicycles May Use Full Lane (R4-11) sign (see Figure 9B-2) may be used on roadways where no bicycle lanes or adjacent shoulders usable by bicyclists are present and where travel lanes are too narrow for bicyclists and motor vehicles to operate side by side.
02    The Bicycles May Use Full Lane sign may be used in locations where it is important to inform road users that bicyclists might occupy the travel lane.
03    Section 9C.07 describes a Shared Lane Marking that may be used in addition to or instead of the Bicycles May Use Full Lane sign to inform road users that bicyclists might occupy the travel lane.
Support:
04    The Uniform Vehicle Code (UVC) defines a "substandard width lane" as a "lane that is too narrow for a bicycle and a vehicle to travel safely side by side within the same lane."

Section 9C.07 Shared Lane Marking
Option:
01    The Shared Lane Marking shown in Figure 9C-9 may be used to:
Figure 9C-9 Shared Lane Marking
Assist bicyclists with lateral positioning in a shared lane with on-street parallel parking in order to reduce the chance of a bicyclist's impacting the open door of a parked vehicle,
Assist bicyclists with lateral positioning in lanes that are too narrow for a motor vehicle and a bicycle to travel side by side within the same traffic lane,
Alert road users of the lateral location bicyclists are likely to occupy within the traveled way,
Encourage safe passing of bicyclists by motorists, and
Reduce the incidence of wrong-way bicycling.
Guidance:
02    The Shared Lane Marking should not be placed on roadways that have a speed limit above 35 mph.
Standard:
03    Shared Lane Markings shall not be used on shoulders or in designated bicycle lanes.
Guidance:
04    If used in a shared lane with on-street parallel parking, Shared Lane Markings should be placed so that the centers of the markings are at least 11 feet from the face of the curb, or from the edge of the pavement where there is no curb.
05    If used on a street without on-street parking that has an outside travel lane that is less than 14 feet wide, the centers of the Shared Lane Markings should be at least 4 feet from the face of the curb, or from the edge of the pavement where there is no curb.
06    If used, the Shared Lane Marking should be placed immediately after an intersection and spaced at intervals not greater than 250 feet thereafter.
Option:
07    Section 9B.06 describes a Bicycles May Use Full Lane sign that may be used in addition to or instead of the Shared Lane Marking to inform road users that bicyclists might occupy the travel lane.

The list of approved signs <http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/htm/2009/part9/part9b.htm#table9B01> contains neither a Bikes Allowed Full Use of Lane warning sign nor a Bikes In Lane sign, so they are now officially unapproved at the Federal level:

Bob Shanteau
Transportation Engineering Liaison
California Association of Bicycling Organizations

Robert M Shanteau, PhD, PE
Consulting Traffic Engineer
13 Primrose Cir
Seaside, CA 93955-4133
Voice: (831) 394-9420
Cell: (831) 917-0248
FAX: (831) 394-6045

#11232

From: Dave Lloyd <dave@...>
Date: Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:04 am
Subject: Bikes allowed full use of lane: baufl.org

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I thought you all may be interested in this site.� I think I'll be purchasing a few stickers:
http://www.baufl.org/

--dlloyd

#11231

From: "ron" <richings@...>
Date: Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:22 pm
Subject: European Cyclists Federation and Bicycle Helmets

port9992000

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http://tinyurl.com/ya2l8dr

Althought I hesitate a bit to get into the 'Helmet' issue, there is an interesting campaign being undertaken by the European Cyclists Federation.

While not exactly anti-helmet, it does criticise many helmet use campaigns and looks at the reduction in mode-share that results from aggressive

pro-helmet advertising. Primarily concerned with the notion conveyed that cycling is very dangerous - and the impact that has on potential cyclists.

Ron Richings

Vancouver, BC

Canada

European Helmet Campaign Reaches Out

Gourmet chefs emphasize the time necessary to create a great meal. The same goes for great campaigns. The European Cyclists’ Federation (ECF) began their work on their campaign to stop the dangerization of cycling through helmet promotions many years ago when they discovered an inability to increase bicycling where such promotions were taking place. By 2007, ECF’s Helmet Working Group concluded that it was time to launch a full campaign that charges directly at this helmet problem. With One Street’s help, following our proven campaign planning recommendations (find the outline here: www.onestreet.org/campaign-planning ), the ECF Helmet Working Group has created a powerful campaign to match the sometimes overwhelming influence of helmet myths and their abuse by officials seeking to avoid responsibility for dangerous cycling environments.

ECF first introduced the campaign at the Velo-city conference in June 2009. The response was breathtaking! Leaders from around the world were thrilled to find an organization such as ECF finally taking on this problem. After Velo-city, the ECF Helmet Working Group, including One Street representatives, got to work on the next phase of the campaign—to build an ECF Helmets web page that directly serves the needs of leaders of ECF member organizations who are threatened by the helmet problem: http://www.ecf.com/3500_1 . Please take a look and offer your ideas.

And in early December, ECF’s international e-newsletter featured the campaign and website to invite ECF members and others to take part in this profound effort. So far, responses have come from as far away as Botswana. While we rejoice at the effectiveness of this outreach effort, we can’t ignore the sadness that comes when we realize that this helmet problem is devastating bicycle advocacy efforts not just in the U.S. and Europe, but in countries around the world.

#11230

From: Harold Karabell <karabell@...>
Date: Wed Dec 16, 2009 3:55 pm
Subject: Re: Fwd: TEAMWONDERBIKEallo

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While I understand the value, the importance, and even the equity of asking our hosts to pay $100.00 for the privilege of hosting the illustrious members of our august organization, in this economy I doubt very much that we'll find too many willing venues.

I, for one, would be reluctant to ask Velocity for even a $50.00 contribution. I know that it's hard times for them as it is for many of the rest of us. And at our first and thus far only alcohol-free "Bike from Work" event last summer, members of the BikeFed didn't spend anywhere near $100.00 on food and drink. The absence of over-priced liquor and beer, of course, didn't help pad Velocity's "bottom line."

Despite my best efforts at promoting the thing, not too many velo-commuters showed up to partake of some delicious hummus and soup. Maybe there just aren't enough "drys" in the BikeFed, but the two "wets" who joined us seemed to have a great time with "only" juice, tea, and conversation.

B'shalom,

Harold

On Dec 16, 2009, at 7:09 AM, Torrisi, Joseph S. wrote:

STLRBF is working on a monthly series of Bike From Work (BFW) destinations. There will be one a month, except for December 2010, and there will be 4 in May, for a total of 14.. Those interested can bike, or just meet.

At this time, we are in the process of identifying locations to host. We are looking for the host to contribute $100 to pay for the marketing on the website, and printed materials (schedules, etc). The business will remain posted on our website for an entire year as a proud sponsor of the Bike From Work program.

Any suggestions for locations? Anyone willing to approach a potential sponsor? If so, and you want to respond confidentially, contact me at jtorrisi@sbcglobal.net or contact Harold Karabell or Brian Vanderheyden.

The BFW project should be a lot of fun.
Joe T

From: stlbikefed@yahoogroups.com [mailto:stlbikefed@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason McClelland
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 6:17 AM
To: stlbikefed@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [stlbikefed] Fwd: TEAMWONDERBIKEallo

How about a "Winter Bike From Work Day" to put an STL spin on the whole thing. (I suggest this largely because my uber-early morning commute is such that I never get to participate in the Bike To Work festivities.)
-> jason
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Harold Karabell <karabell@i1.net> wrote:

Not a bad idea for St. Louis: A "Winter Bike to Work Day" to complement the series of monthly "Bike from Work" days announced earlier by President Joe.

B'shalom,

Harold

Begin forwarded message:

From: "Team Wonderbike" <bsimpson@newbelgium.com>
Date: December 15, 2009 2:53:45 PM CST
To: "Team Wonderbike Subscriber" <karabell@i1.net>
Subject: TEAMWONDERBIKEallo
Reply-To: "Team Wonderbike" <bsimpson@newbelgium.com>

Team Wonderbike
Hey Wonderbikers,
Hope you�ve got the fenders on and the knobbies popping for those wintry commutes! We�ve had a fistful of cold days in ol� Colorado lately so this is the perfect time for Fort Collins� Winter Bike to Work Day, tomorrow, December 16th.
If you�re not in FC you can still ride your bike in solidarity. Call your friends and let�s get things rolling nationwide. If you�re lucky enough to be here, the weather should be great (high in the 40�s) and breakfast will be served between 7:00am-9:30am at the following locations:http://www.fcgov.com/bicycling/pdf/wb2w-2009.pdf
For the rest of you out there � have a great holiday and let's do it again in 2010!
Bike More, Drive Less!
B. Simpson, Spokes Model
Team Wonderbike
You may automatically unsubscribe from this list at any time by visiting the following URL:
http://www.newbelgium.com/cgi-bin/dada/newsletter.cgi/u/wonder/

#11229

From: "Torrisi, Joseph S." <Joseph.Torrisi@...>
Date: Wed Dec 16, 2009 1:09 pm
Subject: RE: Fwd: TEAMWONDERBIKEallo

Joseph.Torrisi@...

http://www.newbelgium.com/cgi-bin/dada/newsletter.cgi/u/wonder/

STLRBF is working on a monthly series of Bike From Work (BFW) destinations. There will be one a month, except for December 2010, and there will be 4 in May, for a total of 14.. Those interested can bike, or just meet.

At this time, we are in the process of identifying locations to host. We are looking for the host to contribute $100 to pay for the marketing on the website, and printed materials (schedules, etc). The business will remain posted on our website for an entire year as a proud sponsor of the Bike From Work program.

Any suggestions for locations? Anyone willing to approach a potential sponsor? If so, and you want to respond confidentially, contact me at jtorrisi@... or contact Harold Karabell or Brian Vanderheyden.

The BFW project should be a lot of fun.

Joe T

From: stlbikefed@yahoogroups.com [mailto:stlbikefed@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason McClelland
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 6:17 AM
To: stlbikefed@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [stlbikefed] Fwd: TEAMWONDERBIKEallo

How about a "Winter Bike From Work Day" to put an STL spin on the whole thing. (I suggest this largely because my uber-early morning commute is such that I never get to participate in the Bike To Work festivities.)

-> jason

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Harold Karabell <karabell@...> wrote:

Not a bad idea for St. Louis: A "Winter Bike to Work Day" to complement the series of monthly "Bike from Work" days announced earlier by President Joe.

B'shalom,

Harold

Begin forwarded message:

From: "Team Wonderbike" <bsimpson@...>

Date: December 15, 2009 2:53:45 PM CST

To: "Team Wonderbike Subscriber" <karabell@...>

Subject: TEAMWONDERBIKEallo

Reply-To: "Team Wonderbike" <bsimpson@...>

New Belgium Brewing - Home

Team Wonderbike

Hey Wonderbikers,

Hope you’ve got the fenders on and the knobbies popping for those wintry commutes! We’ve had a fistful of cold days in ol’ Colorado lately so this is the perfect time for Fort Collins’ Winter Bike to Work Day, tomorrow, December 16th.

If you’re not in FC you can still ride your bike in solidarity. Call your friends and let’s get things rolling nationwide. If you’re lucky enough to be here, the weather should be great (high in the 40’s) and breakfast will be served between 7:00am-9:30am at the following locations: http://www.fcgov.com/bicycling/pdf/wb2w-2009.pdf

For the rest of you out there – have a great holiday and let's do it again in 2010!

Bike More, Drive Less!

B. Simpson, Spokes Model

Team Wonderbike

You may automatically unsubscribe from this list at any time by visiting the following URL:

#11228

From: Jason McClelland <jasonstl@...>
Date: Wed Dec 16, 2009 12:16 pm
Subject: Re: Fwd: TEAMWONDERBIKEallo

jasonstl1

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How about a "Winter Bike From Work Day" to put an STL spin on the whole thing.� (I suggest this largely because my uber-early morning commute is such that I never get to participate in the Bike To Work festivities.)

-> jason

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Harold Karabell <karabell@...> wrote:

�

Not a bad idea for St. Louis: A "Winter Bike to Work Day" to complement the series of monthly "Bike from Work" days announced earlier by President Joe.

B'shalom,

Harold

Begin forwarded message:

From: "Team Wonderbike" <bsimpson@...>

Date: December 15, 2009 2:53:45 PM CST

To: "Team Wonderbike Subscriber" <karabell@...>

Subject: TEAMWONDERBIKEallo

Reply-To: "Team Wonderbike" <bsimpson@...>

Team Wonderbike

�Hey Wonderbikers,

Hope you�ve got the fenders on and the knobbies popping for those wintry commutes! We�ve had a fistful of cold days in ol� Colorado lately so this is the perfect time for Fort Collins� Winter Bike to Work Day, tomorrow, December 16th.

If you�re not in FC you can still ride your bike in solidarity. Call your friends and let�s get things rolling nationwide. If you�re lucky enough to be here, the weather should be great (high in the 40�s) and breakfast will be served between 7:00am-9:30am at the following locations: http://www.fcgov.com/bicycling/pdf/wb2w-2009.pdf

For the rest of you out there � have a great holiday and let's do it again in 2010!

Bike More,�Drive Less!

B. Simpson,�Spokes Model

Team Wonderbike

You may automatically unsubscribe from this list at any time by visiting the following URL:

http://www.newbelgium.com/cgi-bin/dada/newsletter.cgi/u/wonder/

#11227

From: Harold Karabell <karabell@...>
Date: Tue Dec 15, 2009 9:08 pm
Subject: Fwd: TEAMWONDERBIKEallo

kkarabell

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Not a bad idea for St. Louis: A "Winter Bike to Work Day" to complement the series of monthly "Bike from Work" days announced earlier by President Joe.

B'shalom,

Harold

Begin forwarded message:

From: "Team Wonderbike" <bsimpson@...>
Date: December 15, 2009 2:53:45 PM CST
To: "Team Wonderbike Subscriber" <karabell@...>
Subject: TEAMWONDERBIKEallo
Reply-To: "Team Wonderbike" <bsimpson@...>

Team Wonderbike
Hey Wonderbikers,
Hope you�ve got the fenders on and the knobbies popping for those wintry commutes! We�ve had a fistful of cold days in ol� Colorado lately so this is the perfect time for Fort Collins� Winter Bike to Work Day, tomorrow, December 16th.
If you�re not in FC you can still ride your bike in solidarity. Call your friends and let�s get things rolling nationwide. If you�re lucky enough to be here, the weather should be great (high in the 40�s) and breakfast will be served between 7:00am-9:30am at the following locations: http://www.fcgov.com/bicycling/pdf/wb2w-2009.pdf
For the rest of you out there � have a great holiday and let's do it again in 2010!
Bike More, Drive Less!
B. Simpson, Spokes Model
Team Wonderbike

You may automatically unsubscribe from this list at any time by visiting the following URL:
http://www.newbelgium.com/cgi-bin/dada/newsletter.cgi/u/wonder/

#11226

From: "ron" <richings@...>
Date: Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:24 pm
Subject: Bikes on Transit - New S.F. study released and available to download.

port9992000

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2009 Bikes on BART Study Released

The 2009 Bicycles on BART Survey: State of Bicycle Access and Amenities on BART has just been released, bringing a fresh examination of BART's bicycle-involved services. Did you know 76% of respondents say they would bike to BART more during "black out" hours if they could? Did you know that people in Rotterdam have been safely and routinely taking their bikes on escalators for 70 years? This in-depth report by Livable City researcher Tony Vi presents the opinions and ideas of over 500 bicyclists (thanks to everyone who took the survey this past May), compiling and analyzing those results as well as recommending actions for improvement. If you take y our bike on BART or are otherwise interested in regional tripmaking policy, be sure to download a copy of the 2009 Bicycles on BART Survey.

From the San Francisco Bicycle Coaliton

Ron Richings

Vancouver, BC

Canada

#11225

From: Chris Cleeland <chris.cleeland@...>
Date: Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:28 pm
Subject: Re: Fiery situation in St. Elmo??? {:)

cleeland

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On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 4:08 PM, <wilsonjb@...> wrote:

I sometimes shop at the Scholarshop in Webster Groves, and am always a bit put off by a sign at the entrance to the parking lot which says something like "No skateboards, rollerblades or bicycles".� I figure that sedately pedalling in to lock my bike up and shop is probably ok, but I feel a bit furtive as I do so.

I think that those sorts of signs are there to address people using the parking lot as a recreational area, primarily children, and primary to avoid liability.

#11224

From: Harold Karabell <karabell@...>
Date: Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:26 pm
Subject: Re: Fiery situation in St. Elmo??? {:)

kkarabell

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Joyce:

As I recall, those Chicago signs are in the Old Town & Lincoln Park neighborhoods, both of which are full of pedestrians and hipsters-on-two wheels. :)

As for the Scholarshop sign: I suggest that the BikeFed's "Velo-Access Committee" take on that parking lot in a timely manner!

B'shalom,

Harold

On Dec 14, 2009, at 4:08 PM, wilsonjb@... wrote:

On our Chicago trip we saw a severe variant of the St. Elmo's sign in one neighborhood, which I think said that bicyclists on the sidewalk would be arrested.

I sometimes shop at the Scholarshop in Webster Groves, and am always a bit put off by a sign at the entrance to the parking lot which says something like "No skateboards, rollerblades or bicycles". I figure that sedately pedalling in to lock my bike up and shop is probably ok, but I feel a bit furtive as I do so.
--Joyce

-----Original Message-----
From: Harold Karabell <karabell@i1.net>
To: stlbikefed@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Dec 14, 2009 1:13 pm
Subject: [stlbikefed] Fiery situation in St. Elmo??? {:)

St. Elmo, Illinois, population 1,456 (2000 census) has a major problem with bicycles???????????????????????????? :)

#11223

From: wilsonjb@...
Date: Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:08 pm
Subject: Re: Fiery situation in St. Elmo??? {:)

qmacrocarpa

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On our Chicago trip we saw a severe variant of the St. Elmo's sign in one neighborhood, which I think said that bicyclists on the sidewalk would be arrested.

I sometimes shop at the Scholarshop in Webster Groves, and am always a bit put off by a sign at the entrance to the parking lot which says something like "No skateboards, rollerblades or bicycles". I figure that sedately pedalling in to lock my bike up and shop is probably ok, but I feel a bit furtive as I do so.

--Joyce

-----Original Message-----
From: Harold Karabell <karabell@...>
To: stlbikefed@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Dec 14, 2009 1:13 pm
Subject: [stlbikefed] Fiery situation in St. Elmo??? {:)

St. Elmo, Illinois, population 1,456 (2000 census) has a major problem with bicycles???????????????????????????? :)

#11222

From: Patty Vinyard <pvinyard@...>
Date: Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:59 pm
Subject: Re: Fiery situation in St. Elmo??? {:)

pvinyard2002

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True, it's illegal in most places to ride on the sidewalk. But seeing it posted usually indicates a problem with kids doing tricks.

Patty Vinyard

Executive Director

St. Louis Regional Bicycle Federation

PO Box 23086

Saint Louis, MO 63156

pvinyard@...

info@...

(314) 707-5001

http://stlbikefed.org

Midwest Bicycle Expo & Swap Meet

Sunday, January 31, 2010

On Dec 14, 2009, at 2:27 PM, Patrick VDT wrote:

How is this any different than downtown anywhere.

To: stlbikefed@yahoogroups.com
From: karabell@i1.net
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:13:11 -0600
Subject: [stlbikefed] Fiery situation in St. Elmo??? {:)

St. Elmo, Illinois, population 1,456 (2000 census) has a major problem with bicycles???????????????????????????? :)

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#11221

From: Harold Karabell <karabell@...>
Date: Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:54 pm
Subject: Re: Fiery situation in St. Elmo??? {:)

kkarabell

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"Downtown" St. Elmo consists of three short blocks of storefronts, several of which are abandoned. This sadly includes the landmark Art Deco "Elmo Movie House."

Given its population and its much faded glory, I'd be surprised if St. Elmo were to have much a problem with crowded sidewalks--from either pedestrians or bicyclists.

Imagine seeing a similar sign on Collinsville Ave. in East St. Louis!

Surely you, too, would express surprise!

B'shalom,

Harold

On Dec 14, 2009, at 2:27 PM, Patrick VDT wrote:

How is this any different than downtown anywhere.

To: stlbikefed@yahoogroups.com
From: karabell@i1.net
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:13:11 -0600
Subject: [stlbikefed] Fiery situation in St. Elmo??? {:)

St. Elmo, Illinois, population 1,456 (2000 census) has a major problem with bicycles???????????????????????????? :)

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#11220

From: Patrick VDT <fivespeed_@...>
Date: Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:27 pm
Subject: RE: Fiery situation in St. Elmo??? {:)

fivespeed_@...

How is this any different than downtown anywhere.

To: stlbikefed@yahoogroups.com
From: karabell@...
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:13:11 -0600
Subject: [stlbikefed] Fiery situation in St. Elmo??? {:)

St. Elmo, Illinois, population 1,456 (2000 census) has a major problem with bicycles???????????????????????????? :)

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#11219

From: Patty Vinyard <pvinyard@...>
Date: Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:49 pm
Subject: Re: Fiery situation in St. Elmo??? {:)

pvinyard2002

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Usually when you see this sign the kids in town have been doing BMX tricks where the paving is best and the most intricate... downtown. It's a shame the town leaders feel a need to post this kind of sign. The kids could be sitting at home in front of video games not getting any exercise at all. I would feel better if I knew St. Elmo had also erected a half-pipe in a nearby park or something.

Also, in a town of this size you could easily do a school assembly to address whatever negative issues arise with active kids and probably come to some kind of compromise solution to the problem of conflicts with pedestrians. But sometimes people want to just ban a thing without really thinking about it.

We as a society will likely come to regret our increasingly sedentary ways.

Patty Vinyard

Executive Director

St. Louis Regional Bicycle Federation

PO Box 23086

Saint Louis, MO 63156

pvinyard@...

info@...

(314) 707-5001

http://stlbikefed.org

Midwest Bicycle Expo & Swap Meet

Sunday, January 31, 2010

On Dec 14, 2009, at 1:13 PM, Harold Karabell wrote:

St. Elmo, Illinois, population 1,456 (2000 census) has a major problem with bicycles???????????????????????????? :)

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#11218

From: Harold Karabell <karabell@...>
Date: Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:22 pm
Subject: Concrete cyclists! :)

kkarabell

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We saw few velo-commuters but lots of cyclists in concrete in downtown Indianapolis! :)

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