standard Certificate of Death #2831
Chicago, Cooke Co.                             4353 Vinsennes Ave, 3 ward
in the state 23 yrs                            at place of death 14 yrs.
Adele F STERN                                    born 8 Dec 1889 FT. Wayne,
IND
Died 13 Oct 1818  Influenza               Rose Hill Cemetery
undertaker J E Furth                           356 E 35th St.
Informant Isaac B Lipson                    4947 Vincennses ave
f Henry Friend                                     b. Ellsworth ME
m Katherine Frieberger                       b Mount Carroll, Ill

sent to STLOUIS-L@...

searching: ST LOUIS             STERN surname
1861-1870
Aaron STERN served in regular US army ordnance detachement at the arsenal
[German Jewish]
career regular US army

Milt Botwinick
pro genealogist
pob 13464
Philadelphia, PA 19101-3464
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Subject: STERN family from Vienna
xFrom: Paul Silverstone <paulh@...>
xDate: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 22:43:17 -0500
xX-Message-Number: 8
x
xI am searching for information/connections  to the STERNs from
xVienna.
xCommon name I know, but these are the people:
x
xIsidor STERN m. Elizabeth KORSOWER.    They came to US about 1900
xwith their children:
x1.  Henry (1896-1969)
x2. Marge  m.  Mayer
x3. Walter
x4. Fritzi  m. Jacob Siegel
x5. Kurt
x6. Edith
x    (the last 2 were born in NY)
x
xPaul Silverstone
xNew York
x
xreply to:
paulh@...--------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------

xSubject: MEERSON in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
xFrom: CRomRider@...
xDate: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 21:28:25 EST
xX-Message-Number: 30
x
xJewishgenners--If you have lived or are living in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
xhere is your opportunity to do a wonderful mitzvah and bring a new Russian
ximmigrant together with his family!
x
x    I am looking for a woman named Bertha STERNIN MEERSON who lived in
xPhiladelphia sometime around 1935.  Her son was Eugene Meerson, and if he is
xstill living he may be in his 70's.  Bertha did have a brother named Boris,
xwho changed his name from STERNIN to STERN.
x
x     If you know of this familly please contact me as soon as possible.  I
xhave been lucky enough to find extended family of this new American
immigrant,
xbut would really like to find his aunt's family for him!
x
xBest wishes,
x
xCarol Rombro Rider      Baltimore, Maryland  USA        CRomRider@...
x-------------------------

Searching STERN in Phila. 19xx

Family originated in Prussia Latvia arriving in USA 1860's

In Cinncinati and ST Louis before moving to East in 19xx

Jewish family of furniture merchants

Louis STERN started department store in PHila

Milt Botwinick
pro genealogist
Philadelphia
botwinick@...
http://members.aol.com/botwinick

Searching STERN in DC 18xx-19xx

miltB
phila
pro gen
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My STERN family had the famous latvian rabbi Mordechai STERN.  Leah the
grandaughter of the rabbi married Simon Ziv in Chicago.  Simon is the son of
Jonas and the brother of Gus. Jonas is the son of Gus.  I know nothing of the
European origins of the zivs

miltB

00000000000

Subj:    Ziv family of Lithuanai
Date:   Mon, Jan 18, 1999 19:37 EDT
From:  bshanke1@...
X-From: bshanke1@... (Bruce Shanker)
To: botwinick@...

Mr. Botwinick



My father's mother's father was named Ziv from Lithuanai.  The only

>difference is based on marriage records, she was from the town of

>Raseiniai.  Her father was named Mendle (Ziw) Siv.  Considering how close

>Kelme was to Raseiniai is there a connection here.  My grandmother's

mother

>last name was Fine.  Her name was Bertha, and supposedly she had two other

>siblings.  One was named William or the Jewish equivalent thereof and

there

>was another brother who I don't know his name.  I was also told that the

>Ziv family had a number of famous rabbis.



I have been checking out some of the ziv list on onelist.  What information

do you have for me as far as the Ziv family famous rabbi.



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I was able to obtain info on my Arlington internee by telephoning the
cemetery.   They gave me info over the phone.   A letter or email will
probably work too. I have been told that they will provide a free photo of the
tombstone upon request.

My AAron STERN has a page on mike's excellent Arlington web site

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My relative named STERN was discharged from camp grant in 1860 [ 8th US inf].
Anybody else interested in this military post?

camp Aravipa = Old Camp or Fort Grant= Ft Breckinridge =Ft  STanton? existed
from 1859 .  Old Camp Grant was located on the San Pedro river at  Aravipa
creek north of the Catalina Mountains which are 9,000 feet high with Tucson
being on the south side of the Catalinas.

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>>>>>>>>>>   ... I am trying to find out about a Fredrick MUELLER/MILLER
from Hannover Germany to Charleston SC. He arrived between 1850 and
1860. My grandmother ... told me he was Jewish. I would like to try and learn
more about him ... How can I go about this? Would there be church records?
<<<<<<<<<<

ooooooooo     reply separator       oooooooooooo

I found a vital records film covering 17xx to 18xxx covering the STERN family
in the Jewish population of Koningsberg Prussia in the collection of church of
Latter Day Saints.   They have an extensive collection of German Jewish vital
records.


Milton E. Botwinick  [professional genealogist]   POB 13464
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I am researching my Stern family from Heppenheim an der Bergstrasse in Hessen.

My family are descended from Gottfried Stern circa 1784-1838 who married
Nannchen Hochschild circa 1787-1857.

He had seven children, four boys. Salomon 1810-1880 who married Jette
Maierfeld circa 1813-1886 and whose children I do  not know, Feist (my great
great grandfather) 1812-1889, Mendel 1815-? and Heimann 1817-1900.

Feist - in respect of two of his children, Rosa and my Leopold -and Heimann
(who became a Henry Starr) and went to Ohio and Louisville, Kentucky are the
only lines I know.

Gottfried's and Nannchen's girls were Mameth 1820-?, Guthal 1823-? and Hindle
1825-?.

Feist had lived up to his name and married two wives (not both at the same
time, I hasten to add) and had at least 11 children.

From the first marriage to Jette Weis (1812 or 1815-1849) there were four
children: Gottfried born and died 1844, Eva born and died 1845, (poor woman!),
An Unknown born? died 1848 and Jette 1849-?

From my great great grandmother Jeanette Maierfeld circa 1823-1878, there was:

Moses 1850-? Probably emigrated to New York 1867 (there may have been a less
"religious" version of the name that he used)

Abraham 1853-?

Mina 1855-? who married a Moses Schwarzschild from Massenheim near Frankfurt
am Main.

Malchen 1857-?

Anna 1859-?

Rosa 1860-1933

and FINALLY

my great grandfather Leopold 1863-1901.

Any names sound familiar?



Alice Josephs
alicejose@...

Gottfried 1784-1838 & Nannchen Hochschild 1787-1857: children Salomon 1810-1880,
Feist 1812-1889, Mendel 1815-?, Heimann (later Henry Starr Louisville, Kentucky
and Zaneville, Ohio) 1817-1900, Mameth 1820-?, Guthal 1823-?, Hindle 1825-?
    Salomon m 1839 Jette (Henriette) Maierfeld circa 1813-1886. Children not
known.
    Feist m 1) 1841 Jette Weis 1815 or 1812-1849: children Gottfried born and
died 1844, Eva 1845-?, stillborn 1848, Jette 1849-? 2)1850 Jeanette Maierfeld
(step sister of Jette) 1823-1878: children Moses 31.10.1850-? Emigrated USA
circa 1867, Abraham 5.7.1853, Mina 11.7.1855-? married Moses Schwarzschild
7.3.1845-? of Massenheim near Frankfurt am Main children not known, Malchen
7.6.1857-?, Anna 18.4.1859-?, Rosa 29.11.1860- 16.4.1936 married Joseph Frank
1867-1933 children Friedrich 1891-1915, David 1894-1916, Selma 1896-194? m Leo
Hirsch 1887-194? children Walter 25.8.1920-17.6.1994 Mobile Alabama, Erna
25.8.1920
-194?, Leopold 2.11.1863-1.7.1901 m 1890 Hedwig Herz 1867-1942 children Alfred
Stern 1896-1978 Newcastle upon Tyne England (my grandfather).

DO ANY OF THESE NAMES SEEM FAMILIAR? Apparently many Heppenheimers went to North
West Ohio. I believe Stern relatives also went to New York and Chicago.

Hello Alice. None of the names are familiar to me. Do you know where Fleiden
is compared to the location of your ancestors. The reason why I ask is I
wonder if there is a connection that I cannot presently make. Andy Stern

Flieden is above Frankfurt am Main, while Heppenheim an der Bergstrasse is
below - nearer Mannheim. Heppenheim is between Bensheim and Weinheim if you
look at a map of Germany.

Even though they are a few miles apart, I wouldn't rule out a connection. Have
you any Herz family in your tree.

Alice Josephs
alicejose@...

Dear Alice ...

I'm sorry, but there is no connection between your Sterns and mine.  Mine
were all from Poland circa mid to late 19th century.

Gene

At 11:01 AM 3/6/1999 EST, you wrote:
>From: AliceJose@...
>
>I am researching my Stern family from Heppenheim an der Bergstrasse in
Hessen.
>
>My family are descended from Gottfried Stern circa 1784-1838 who married
>Nannchen Hochschild circa 1787-1857.
>
>He had seven children, four boys. Salomon 1810-1880 who married Jette
>Maierfeld circa 1813-1886 and whose children I do  not know, Feist (my great
>great grandfather) 1812-1889, Mendel 1815-? and Heimann 1817-1900.
>
>Feist - in respect of two of his children, Rosa and my Leopold -and Heimann
>(who became a Henry Starr) and went to Ohio and Louisville, Kentucky are the
>only lines I know.
>
>Gottfried's and Nannchen's girls were Mameth 1820-?, Guthal 1823-? and Hindle
>1825-?.
>
>Feist had lived up to his name and married two wives (not both at the same
>time, I hasten to add) and had at least 11 children.
>
>>From the first marriage to Jette Weis (1812 or 1815-1849) there were four
>children: Gottfried born and died 1844, Eva born and died 1845, (poor
woman!),
>An Unknown born? died 1848 and Jette 1849-?
>
>>From my great great grandmother Jeanette Maierfeld circa 1823-1878, there
was:
>
>Moses 1850-? Probably emigrated to New York 1867 (there may have been a less
>"religious" version of the name that he used)
>
>Abraham 1853-?
>
>Mina 1855-? who married a Moses Schwarzschild from Massenheim near Frankfurt
>am Main.
>
>Malchen 1857-?
>
>Anna 1859-?
>
>Rosa 1860-1933
>
>and FINALLY
>
>my great grandfather Leopold 1863-1901.
>
>Any names sound familiar?
>
>
>
>Alice Josephs
>alicejose@...
>
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No Herz in my family. Andy Stern

Alice,

My Sterns are from Soest, and ultimately to FaM.  The founder of "my" line
was Suesskind Stern in the 1600s. Her adopted the name from the name of his
house.  A number of 18th century Herz s

BTW:  I would hope that once the querry was posted on the list that the
conversations could then be directed to the poster rather than to the list.





At 12:19 PM 3/6/99 -0500, you wrote:
>From: AliceJose@...
>
>Flieden is above Frankfurt am Main, while Heppenheim an der Bergstrasse is
>below - nearer Mannheim. Heppenheim is between Bensheim and Weinheim if you
>look at a map of Germany.
>
>Even though they are a few miles apart, I wouldn't rule out a connection. Have
>you any Herz family in your tree.
>
>Alice Josephs
>alicejose@...
>
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Thomas Krakauer     e-mail tkrakauer@...
Researching: GOTTSCHALK from N. Germany (Hannover); MOLLING from anywhere
(Hannover); KRAKAUER from Posen, Breslau, Berlin, Landau am Pfalz; STERN
from Soest, ROTHSCHILD from Stadtoldendorf; MAYER and HEUMANN from
Billigheim and Hoffenheim.

I have just started researching my father's father's family.  My grandfather
was Hugo Stern, born March 10 (or 11) 1879.  He always claimed that he was
born in Heilbronn, Germany to a family with 6 0r 7 siblings.  His younger
brother, Emil, came to the US later than 1904.  My grandfather came in 1904
and became a naturalized citizen in 1912.  My father doesn't know the names of
any of his other uncles or aunts nor the names of his grandparents (paternal).
	 I was told during the summer of 1972 when I visited my father's second cousin
Louis Blum in Zurich, that Hugo just picked up and left one day (we assume
from Heilbronn) while he was working in the "family business" as some sort of
salesman.  The next thing they knew he was in Chicago.  How he wound up in NYC
is a mystery.  My aunt Mina was born in 1910 so my paternal grandparents
married sometime between 1904 and 1910.  I haven't gotten around to getting
the marriage records from NYC yet.
	 This is all I know.  I even have some questions about the accuracy of the
"facts".  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Halt325@...
(Hal Stern
Potomac, Maryland)

Hello Hal. I do not recognize the name. Hugo. My family was from Fleiden and
Hintersteinau. I do not know how close that is to Heilbronn. If I come accross
any information in my searches that may help you, I will let you know.  Good
luck. Andy Stern

Since finding a relation, Jack Starr, in Virginia, I've decided to try and do
as full a list as possible of the Stern family I have.

So here goes!

I am looking for descendants of:

Gottfried Stern 1784-1838 married Nannchen Hochschild 1787-1857 Heppenheim an
der Bergstrasse, Hessen, Germany.
________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________

CHILDREN

SALOMON1810-1880 married Jette (Henriette) Maierfeld (aka Mayer-, Mayerfield)
1813-1886. Children unknown.
________________________________________________________________

FEIST 1812-1889 married Jeanette Maierfeld 1823-1878

CHILDREN

i) MOSES born 31.10.1850 Probably emigrated New York 1867

ii) ABRAHAM born 5.7.1853

iii) MINA born 11.7.1855 married in 1876 Moses Schwarzschild

iv) MALCHEN born 7.6.1857

v) ANNA born 18.4.1859

vi) ROSA born 29.11.1860-16.4.1936 married Josef Frank 1867 Bad Koenig in
Odenwald, Germany-23.6.1933 Heppenheim an der Bergstrasse.

CHILDREN

Friedrich 19.12.1891-4.10.1915 World War I Single

David 1.11.1894-24.8.1916 World War I Single

Selma 5.3.1896-194? married Leo Hirsch 29.9.1887-194?

CHILDREN

Walter 25.8.1920-17.6.1994 Mobile, Alabama,

Erna 25.8.1920 (twin)-194?.

vii) LEOPOLD born 2.11.1863 Heppenheim -1.7.1901 Montreal or New York married
1.5.1890 Hedwig Herz 4.7.1869 Kochendorf (Now Bad Friedrichshall) Baden
Wuerrttemberg, Germany-2.6.1940 Grafeneck (NAZI Euthanasia programme).

CHILD

Alfred 16.6.1896 Ludwigshafen am Rhein, Germany -23.4.1978 married Paula
Markus 16.6.1903 Roedelsheim near Frankfurt am Main, Germany -27.7.1980
Loughton, Essex UK (Both buried Newcastle Upon Tyne)

CHILDREN

i) Isa 22.6.1929 Heilbronn married Abraham Brysh

CHILDREN

Helen

Rosalyn

Henry

ii) Annette 12.8.1931 Mannheim, Germany married Dr Montague Josephs
27.8.1925-20.6.1988

CHILDREN

i) Daniel 28.7.1958 Epping, Essex 'common-law wife' Carol Western

CHILDREN

Ben Western 19.4.1988

Nathalie Western 18.2.1994

ii) Alice 4.10.1962 Newcastle upon Tyne
________________________________________________________________

Mendel 27.3.1815-?

________________________________________________________________

Heimann (later HENRY STARR) 1817-1900 Zanesville, Ohio married Yetta Rosenfeld
4 July 1815 Scriesheim-13 September 1879 Louisville, Kentucky

Children of Heimann and Yetta:

a) Joseph G Starr 22 June 1845 Kentucky-9 September 1892 Birmingham, Alabama
married ?

CHILDREN

i) Isacc W Starr Jr 1872-25.12.1903 Birmingham, Alabama married 1) Minnie
(Plumer) Starr ?-22.4.1925 Birmingham, Alabama

CHILD

Leo W Starr 16 June 1903, Birmingham, Alabama-11 December 1970 Mobile, Alabama
married Ethel (Dees) Starr 2) Katherine (Fisher) Starr Nashville, Tennessee
?-14.4.1898

CHILD

Lawrence Emloch Starr 11.1898 Nashville Tennessee-21.5.1899 Nashville,
Tennessee

b) Jeanette Starr Amos 1874-10.6.1926 Birmingham, Alabama married Guy S Amos
?-? Birmingham Alabama

c) Rosa (Starr) Granville 1876-1 November 1942 New York, New York married 1)
Linwood G Mansfield ?-? 2) Arthur C Granville Birmingham Alabama

d) Sarah (Starr) Cohn 12.3.1848 Louisville Kentucky-22.5.1927 Zanesville, Ohio
married Julius Cohn Louisville Kentucky ?-?

e) Fredrick Harry Starr 11.10.1850 Louisville, Kentucky-19 January 1911 St
Louis Missouri married Belle (Victor) Starr 31.12.1886 Rocheport,
Missouri-22.7.1942 St Louis, Missouri.

CHILDREN

Edna Ruth (Starr) Newman 14.5.1889 St Louis-27.11.1975, Chicago, Illinois
married Julius E Newman ?-?

Sadie Helene Starr 7.1.1892 St Louis-22.11.1951 Chicago, Illinois married Ira
Lowenstein ?-?

f) Rosa Lenora (Starr) Chase 24.4.1853 Portsmouth, Ohio-1 September 1910
Chicago, Illinois married David Chase in Jefferson Indiana.

CHILDREN

Dolores Jeanette Chase 1.2.1875 Louisville, Kentucky-18.12.1959 Zanesville,
Ohio married Solomon Marcus Weinberg in Cincinnatti, Ohio

Samuel Chase 12.12.1876 Atlanta, Georgia-24.7.1949 Bradenton, Florida married
Metta (Weinmenr) Chase ?-?

Sarah (Chase) Newkirk 9.12.1878 Washington DC-09.01.1925 Chicago, Illinois
married 1) Oscar Anderson ?Sweden-? CHILDREN: Gladys Anderson ?- , Ester
Anderson ?-

Mary Chase 3.3.1881 Washington DC-23.11.1930 Chicago, Illinois married
1)Christian Hansen 2) Peter Nelson on 31.7.1923 Chicago 3) Solie E Hangley
27.6.1927 Chicago, Jessie Chase 17.5.1883, Chicago, Illinois-10,3.1964
Chicago, Illinois married Alfred Johnson 18.6.1905

g) Abram Emanuel Starr 5.1.1855 Portsmouth, Ohio-1.1.1917 Zanesville, Ohio
married Hannah Schonfield 24.6.1858 Krefeld, Germany-25.9.1941, Worthington,
Ohio

CHILDREN

Jeanette 13.5.1886 Zanesville, Ohio-27.7.1970 New York, New York married Louis
Untermeyer ?-18.12.1977 Newtown, Connecticut

CHILD

Richard Starr Untermeyer 26.12.1907 Zanesville-25.1.1927 Yale University

h) Harry Godfrey Starr 6.12.1888, Zanesville, Ohio-3.3.1968 New York, New York
married Virginia (Morse) Starr Zanesville Ohio 17 July 1917

i) Rachel Starr 2.9.1890 Zanesville, Ohio-26.7.1969 New York, New York married
William S Einstein 1911 New York, New York

CHILD

Dorothy Einstein 22.1.1913 New York, New York-4.5.1972 Philadelphia,
Pennsylvania

j) Moses Starr 12.3.1884 Zanesville, Ohio-14.3.1884 Zanesville, Ohio, Isaac E
Starr 1857 Portsmouth, Ohio-4.12.1990?!!! Cincinatti, Ohio married Rosa
(Glaser) Starr  20.9.1858 Cincinatti, Ohio-7 September 1930 Cincinatti, Ohio

CHILDREN

Ethel Ruth (Starr) (Wicker) Bryan married Carl A Wicker in 1908

Eugen Oscar Starr 28.3.1994 Newark, Ohio-11.5.1968 Eau Gallie, Florida married
Louis Case (Wilkie) Starr Memphis 1.11.1892 Covington, Kentucky-5.7.1974
Melbourn, Florida

Robert Godfrey Starr 9.6.1897 Newark, Ohio-March 1989 Noni, Michigan married
Rose (Orttmann) Starr 1.11895 Cincinnatti, Ohio-18.3.1987 Noni, Michigan

________________________________________________________________

Mameth 25.1.1820-?

________________________________________________________________

Guthal 22.4.1823 -? PERHAPS Auguste died 8.6.1887 married before 1852 Koppel
David 10.9.1822 Reichelsheim, Germany-4.12.1804 Heppenheim

CHILDREN

Malchen 3.9.1852-?, Rosa 2.12.1854-?, Gottfried 6.4.1857-30.11.1857, Johanna
(Nannchen) 24.9.1858 married Theodor Michel 18.6.1868 Hettenleidelheim, Pfalz,
Germany-5.5.1945 New York

CHILDREN

Heinrich 14.8.1895-May 1944 New York, Auguste (Gutte) 11.10.1896-1978 New York
Single

Wilhelm David 31.3.1899-13.8.1901

Gottfried Karl (known as Karl) 19.12.1901-?, married Carry Sommer 15.4.1905-?

CHILDREN

Gunther (George) 26.2.1931 Worms, Germany married Francine Markowitz New York
CHILDREN Todd 8.8.1961, Lori 7.5.1963, Randi 1.9.1961. All live New York.

Eva 14.6.1864-1941 New York. Single
________________________________________________________________

Hindle 7.4.1825-? married ?Levi
________________________________________________________________

I would, of course, be grateful for any help I can get!


Best wishes.

Alice Josephs
alicejose@...

No I wish I did. I will try to see if any of my older relatives know. Also,
when I find out where she is buried maybe there will be at least a middle
initial on her grave. By the way, thank you for the "Ask Jeves" site. I never
heard of it before. I went to it and will definitely use it in the future. I
will let you know if I find out anything. Andy

Dear Andy,

I really don't know because my family traces back to Henry (Heimann) Starr
(Stern). From my records Malchen's father was Feist who was Henry's brother.
If you are interested in that side of the family I suggest you contact Alice
Josephs at AliceJose@.... She provided me with the information I have on
Feist's family linage and she is actively searching for his descendents.

Good Luck             Jack
-----Original Message-----
From: AndyStern1@... <AndyStern1@...>
To: sternsurname@onelist.com <sternsurname@onelist.com>
Date: Sunday, March 21, 1999 9:19 PM
Subject: [SternSurname] Re: Stern


>From: AndyStern1@...
>
>Hello. I noticed something in your email . Sorry it has taken so long to
get
>back to you. My mother's maiden and married name was Stern. Her father's
>mother's name was Malchen. I wonder if that is the same Malchen you list.
She
>would have been born about the same time. Andy Stern.
>
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Hello,
I have three people who are called Stern in my Freudenthal-Genealogy.
One of them is a great grandmother of me.
1. Babette Stern born in Tann (near Fulda, germany). She lived from
1822 till 1898. She was married with Benjamin Freudenthal (born 1820,
Tann and died 1904 Tann) they had 4 childern Viola, Ella, Isak and Eva
Freudenthal.
2. Loeb Stern married with Madel Goldsmidt (born +/- 1800) She was
born in Tann but they lived in Hilders. I don't know if they had have
childern.
And then there was my great grandmother Jette Stern who was born in
Langsfeld and lived after her marriage in Tann She died in 1875 She
was married with Hirsch Freudenthal and they had 6 children
Hoely(Henry) Karoline, Isak, Rieckchen, Benjamin and Thekla
Freudenthal. Who knows more about these people? Thanks
monica van der Velden





==

Hello Monica,
This is very interesting. My great-great-great-grandmother was Jettchen
Stern, born in Stadt Lengsfeld in 1755, married Meier Loebenstein, and
went to live in Datterode or Sontra.  I have been unable to find out
anything
more about her. This is frustrating in the extreme, because one of her
sons was named Suesskind, which suggests a descent from Suesskind
Stern of Soest, whose family tree has been traced to the 1300s.

There must surely be a connection between my Jettchen and your Jette.

Regards,
Leonard Loebenstein
mailto:lentess@...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: monica van [mailto:monicavdv@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 1:07 AM
> To: sternsurname@onelist.com
> Subject: [SternSurname] (no subject)
>
>
> From: monica van <monicavdv@...>
>
> Hello,
> I have three people who are called Stern in my Freudenthal-Genealogy.
> One of them is a great grandmother of me.
> 1. Babette Stern born in Tann (near Fulda, germany). She lived from
> 1822 till 1898. She was married with Benjamin Freudenthal (born 1820,
> Tann and died 1904 Tann) they had 4 childern Viola, Ella, Isak and Eva
> Freudenthal.
> 2. Loeb Stern married with Madel Goldsmidt (born +/- 1800) She was
> born in Tann but they lived in Hilders. I don't know if they had have
> childern.
> And then there was my great grandmother Jette Stern who was born in
> Langsfeld and lived after her marriage in Tann She died in 1875 She
> was married with Hirsch Freudenthal and they had 6 children
> Hoely(Henry) Karoline, Isak, Rieckchen, Benjamin and Thekla
> Freudenthal. Who knows more about these people? Thanks
> monica van der Velden
>
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have found my STERN family in chicago 1870 on

First man ashore was Menachem STERN dealing in Chicago liquor and furniture
menachem buried in Jerusalem on mt of olives

kids
abraham
Bashia
etc

You wrote:

<<have found my STERN family in chicago 1870 on

First man ashore was Menachem STERN dealing in Chicago liquor and furniture
menachem buried in Jerusalem on mt of olives>>

Congratulations, hope some of your good luck rubs off on me (less selfishly,
on us all!)!!

Alice
alicejose@...

In a message dated 3/23/99 1:18:53 PM Pacific Standard Time,
lentess@... writes:

> This is very interesting. My great-great-great-grandmother was Jettchen
>  Stern, born in Stadt Lengsfeld in 1755, married Meier Loebenstein, and
>  went to live in Datterode or Sontra.  I have been unable to find out
>  anything
>  more about her. This is frustrating in the extreme, because one of her
>  sons was named Suesskind, which suggests a descent from Suesskind
>  Stern of Soest, whose family tree has been traced to the 1300s.
>

In the absence of additional information, this could equally well suggest
descent from S"uesskind (Schneur) "zum Stern" in the ghetto at Frankfurt/M.
His sons transferred the sign of their father's dwelling to their surname
STERN.  Alexander Dietz, in his "Stammbuch der Frankfurter Juden", traces the
family back to 1530 on p. 296.

I have seen English translation at Leo Baeck Inst in NY, and am sure many
other libries hold copies of the Ger. orig. or the Engl. transl.

My STERN was a name adopted in 1808 in Rheydt, near D"usseldorf.  All male-
line descendants of the original Heinrich STERN are known, unless he had [an]
other son[s] that ha[s][ve] not yet cropped up.

Hope this gives you fodder for further research.


-=David Stern=- in Mill Valley CA

I would like to chime in and add something to David Stern's comment about
Suesskind Stern, and Dietz's "Stammbuch der Frankfurter Juden".  The
information about the generations prior to Suesskind Stern is not very
accurate.  I have gone to the Leo Baeck Institute in NYC and traced the
ancestrty of Suesskind back to 1349 where 2 generations of the family
perished on the same day.

Dietz has geneations going from Samuel Haas ----->Beer Haas (?----1628,
married 1590) ---->Samuel Bing ( ? - 1657, married 1619) -----> Joseph
Jacob Bing (? - 1643) -----> Suesskind Stern (1610 - 1686).  If Dietz is to
be believed, then Suesskind was born 9 years before his grandfather was
married.

When it comes to Dietz, "trust with verification"

I believe that Suesskind's pedigree has been put on JGFF.

Tom Krakauer


At 02:57 AM 3/31/99 -0500, you wrote:
>From: DStern165@...
>
>In a message dated 3/23/99 1:18:53 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>lentess@... writes:
>
>> This is very interesting. My great-great-great-grandmother was Jettchen
>>  Stern, born in Stadt Lengsfeld in 1755, married Meier Loebenstein, and
>>  went to live in Datterode or Sontra.  I have been unable to find out
>>  anything
>>  more about her. This is frustrating in the extreme, because one of her
>>  sons was named Suesskind, which suggests a descent from Suesskind
>>  Stern of Soest, whose family tree has been traced to the 1300s.
>>
>
>In the absence of additional information, this could equally well suggest
>descent from S"uesskind (Schneur) "zum Stern" in the ghetto at Frankfurt/M.
>His sons transferred the sign of their father's dwelling to their surname
>STERN.  Alexander Dietz, in his "Stammbuch der Frankfurter Juden", traces the
>family back to 1530 on p. 296.
>
>I have seen English translation at Leo Baeck Inst in NY, and am sure many
>other libries hold copies of the Ger. orig. or the Engl. transl.
>
>My STERN was a name adopted in 1808 in Rheydt, near D"usseldorf.  All male-
>line descendants of the original Heinrich STERN are known, unless he had [an]
>other son[s] that ha[s][ve] not yet cropped up.
>
>Hope this gives you fodder for further research.
>
>
>-=David Stern=- in Mill Valley CA
>
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Researching: GOTTSCHALK from N. Germany (Hannover); MOLLING from anywhere
(Hannover); KRAKAUER from Posen, Breslau, Berlin, Landau am Pfalz; STERN
from Soest, ROTHSCHILD from Stadtoldendorf; MAYER and HEUMANN from
Billigheim and Hoffenheim.

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searching STERN in chicago 1870+

Menachem STERN
Abraham STERN
ZIV
NICHOLS
LAWRENCE


Milton E. Botwinick [professional genealogist]    miltone@... POB 13464
Philadelphia, PA   19101-3464            #609-869-0368
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BOTWINICK DAVIDOW [Minsk, Beleoruss]; STERN PARADISEGARTEN ZALMONSON JONAS
LEMCHEN[Kurland, Latvia]; MILLER STOECKMISEL AXELROD BELFER SVERDELEKOVSKY
[Boslov=Boguslav, Kanev, Ukraine]; STROECKMIESEL [Lemberg Rostow]

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searching STERN, PLATT, SVERD  WashingtonDC

1870 TO 19XX

Immigrants from Eastern Europe

Jewish

Plat and Sverd were grocers

Stern was career military and then govt drone at the war dept

Milton E. Botwinick [professional genealogist]
miltone@... POB 13464                Philadelphia, PA
http://members.aol.com/botwinick

  BOTWINICK DAVIDOW [Minsk, Beleoruss]; STERN PARADISEGARTEN ZALMONSON
  JONAS LEMCHEN[Kurland, Latvia]; MILLER STOECKMISEL AXELROD BELFER
  SVERDELEKOVSKY [Boslov=Boguslav, Kanev, Ukraine]; STROECKMIESEL [Lemberg
Rostow]

Andy,

We corresponded back in March when you told me about your great grandmother
Malchen and at that time we didn't quite know how to proceed.

This may - I stress may since I don't want to have any hopes dashed! - be a
breakthrough.

I've just had an e-mail correspondence with a descendant of Baruch Laemmle of
Laupheim who informs that Karl Laemmle married a Recha Stern from Flieden (you
did write Fleiden, but Flieden is just below Fulda).

I'm working backwards on the Laemmle/Laupheim connection. When I was young, my
grandfather, whose father was a Stern and whose mother was a Herz, told me one
of his "cousins" produced Frankenstein.

I thought he meant in Germany. In fact he was talking about Universal Pictures'
Karl Laemmle originally from Laupheim. That's the good news. The "bad news" is
that Ogden Nash once wrote, "Uncle Carl Laemmle has a very large faemmle". He
was everyone's uncle and cousin in time-honoured German fashion.

He married a woman called Recha Stern who apparently came from Flieden.

However there were Laemmles from Bretten on the Herz side, my great
grandmother's side of the family.

I have learnt it is very probable that the Herz and Stern families were already
related, which begs a question about the Laemmle family as well.

Unfortunately in time-honoured genealogical fashion I never questioned my "Opa"
about it when he was alive.

My grandfather's father, Leopold Stern, died very young, at 37 in 1901
supposedly after a family scandal. So opa never spoke much about his family on
that side.

My Grandfather's Stern family lived Heppenheim an der Bergstrasse in Hessen  and
apparently some of them changed their name to Starr  after arriving in America.

So in trying to find out about the Laemmles it may be that I've found something
that can help us. I know from a biography of Karl Laemmle by John Drinkwater
that Recha Stern's uncle was called Sam Stern and ran a clothing manufacturers
in Oshkosh near Chicago.

Does any of this sound familiar?

Regards

Alice Josephs Loughton Essex UK