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THE DAYS OF THE WEEK

Sunday, January 27th. Moon Libra. John Chrysostom (Bishop to Constantinople, operated under Emperor Eudoxia, sharply censured him morally, burned 407). Mozart born 1756. Schelling born 1775. 1814 Fichte died. 1808 David Friedrich Strauss born. 

Monday, January 28th. Moon Libra. Day of Remembrance of Charlemagne (died 814).

Tuesday, January 29th. Moon Scorpio. Constantine the Great (first Christian Roman Emperor, baptized shortly before his death in 312 A.D.). Theobald (advanced Christianity in England in the 13th century).

Wednesday January 30th. Moon Scorpio. Last Quarter. Alexander.        

Thursday, January 31st. Moon Sagittarius.  Marcella. Petrus Nolascenus.

Friday, February 1st. Moon Sagittarius. Brigid, patron saint of Ireland, died 500. Ignatius (school of the Evangelist John, by command of the Emperor Trajan torn apart by wild animals).                        

Saturday, February 2nd. Moon Sagittarius.  Mary’s Light-mass (Candlemas). Simeon (the old man. that according to the Evangelist recognized Jesus at his presentation in the Temple).

PLANETS IN THE NIGHT & MORNING SKY (Northern Hemisphere):

   MARS rises in the East at sunset, to the north of the stars of Orion the Hunter. It is bright yellowish-red, now between the stars of the Twins of Gemini and the Bull as it slowly moves backwards through the stars. 

    Yellowish SATURN rises in the East before midnight, beneath the Lion, south of the Big Dipper.

    
    VENUS and JUPITER, the brightest objects in the sky besides Sun and Moon, can be seen as brilliant 'morning stars' in the southeast from about an hour before sunrise on till dawn, next to the stars of the Scorpion in the south. The waning crescent Moon joins them on Saturday, Sunday and Monday mornings Feb. 1st-3rd, so the 3 brightest things in the sky after the sun will all be together in the East before sunrise on those mornings.

Dr. Starman


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Steve Hale wrote:

>>. . . . we are approaching the third lunar
eclipse in less than a year, which is quite
extraordinary for its occurrence. . . .

>>Anyway, it is possible to show by means of
its occurrence that the moon, brightly lit in
its own respect, actually lights up the umbra,
or dark shadow-light of the earth, with a form
of brilliance occurring on the opposite side;
the reflective side. And this makes the moon
take on the orange-brown color of the
reflective side.<<

Robert writes:

I don't get your picture.  I don't know what
you mean by *the moon, brightly lit in its own
respect*.  It seems that the moon during a
lunar eclipse is not "brightly lit" at all; it
is in the earth's shadow and receives no direct
sunlight.  And I'm not sure what you mean by
*the reflective side*.  If you mean the earth-
side that is facing the sun, I don't think that
is orange-brown.  The photos that I've seen
taken from space show the earth colors as
dominated by blue and white; only the desert
areas might be close to orange-brown.

But, as I think about it, it seems possible
that the eclipse colors *might* bear some
similarity to the colored shadows that Steiner
was talking about in this experimental set-up:
<br>
<img width="600" height="310"
src="http://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/LightCrse/images/light7a.gif">
<br>
(It might not be quite clear from this picture,
but only the light from the "left light" passes
through the red glass before shining on the
pole.)

If the orangey color of the moon during a lunar
eclipse were to be a "colored shadow" in this
sense, then it seems there would have to be a
second light source other than the sun.
(Assuming the same principle at work, in the
case of the eclipse the earth would be the
"pole" and the visible side of the moon would
be the portion of the screen in the "right
shadow".)  Since the moon does not appear
completely dark during the eclipse, it would
seem reasonable to assume that some light is
shining on it from somewhere.  So, besides the
direct sunlight, perhaps there is some other,
ambient light, perhaps a combination of
starlight and the light from the extended solar
"corona"?

But to make the analogy fit, this second light
in outer space would have to be "white" (i.e.
pure light, as is the "right light" in the
diagram), and the sunlight would have to be
"colored" (as is the "left light" filtered
through the "red glass" in the diagram).  To
complete the analogy, the sunlight would have
to be the "complementary color" to the orange-
ish of the eclipsed moon; i.e. it would have to
be blue-ish.  But where in "outer space" is the
blue "filter" for the sunlight? -- I don't know
of any.

So, at first glance the analogy doesn't work.
But, at this point, I wouldn't be too quick to
conclude that somehow the same principle is not
at work in Steiner's experiment and in the
lunar eclipse.  After all, I still haven't
figured out exactly what this "principle" is.
I'm still kinda assuming that the colored
shadows are "objective" as Steiner said, but I
still haven't proven this for myself.  I'm
somewhat wishing that I had an orderly garage
workshop so I could do the experiment for
myself, with the narrow tube for viewing as
Steiner suggested.  Maybe I'll have to break
into a high-school physics lab?

I'm still very much puzzled by contradictory
reports mentioned in the footnotes that I
quoted in my first post.  This experiment is
literally so simple that a child could do it;
why hasn't the question of the colored shadows'
"objectivity" been settled long ago? -- BTW, I
haven't receive a word of reply from JL Benson
about this.

But maybe some bright, young Goethean physicist
will explain the principle at work in colored
shadows and go on to apply it to lunar
eclipses?  Maybe he is reading this thread
right now?

Robert M





      
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--- In steiner@yahoogroups.com, Robert Mason <robertsmason_99@...> wrote:
>
> Steve Hale wrote:
>
> >>. . . . we are approaching the third lunar
> eclipse in less than a year, which is quite
> extraordinary for its occurrence. . . .
>
> >>Anyway, it is possible to show by means of
> its occurrence that the moon, brightly lit in
> its own respect, actually lights up the umbra,
> or dark shadow-light of the earth, with a form
> of brilliance occurring on the opposite side;
> the reflective side. And this makes the moon
> take on the orange-brown color of the
> reflective side.<<
>
> Robert writes:
>
> I don't get your picture.  I don't know what
> you mean by *the moon, brightly lit in its own
> respect*.  It seems that the moon during a
> lunar eclipse is not "brightly lit" at all; it
> is in the earth's shadow and receives no direct
> sunlight.  And I'm not sure what you mean by
> *the reflective side*.  If you mean the earth-
> side that is facing the sun, I don't think that
> is orange-brown.  The photos that I've seen
> taken from space show the earth colors as
> dominated by blue and white; only the desert
> areas might be close to orange-brown.
>
> But, as I think about it, it seems possible
> that the eclipse colors *might* bear some
> similarity to the colored shadows that Steiner
> was talking about in this experimental set-up:
> <br>
> <img width="600" height="310"
> src="http://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/LightCrse/images/light7a.gif">
> <br>
> (It might not be quite clear from this picture,
> but only the light from the "left light" passes
> through the red glass before shining on the
> pole.)
>
> If the orangey color of the moon during a lunar
> eclipse were to be a "colored shadow" in this
> sense, then it seems there would have to be a
> second light source other than the sun.
> (Assuming the same principle at work, in the
> case of the eclipse the earth would be the
> "pole" and the visible side of the moon would
> be the portion of the screen in the "right
> shadow".)  Since the moon does not appear
> completely dark during the eclipse, it would
> seem reasonable to assume that some light is
> shining on it from somewhere.  So, besides the
> direct sunlight, perhaps there is some other,
> ambient light, perhaps a combination of
> starlight and the light from the extended solar
> "corona"?
>
> But to make the analogy fit, this second light
> in outer space would have to be "white" (i.e.
> pure light, as is the "right light" in the
> diagram), and the sunlight would have to be
> "colored" (as is the "left light" filtered
> through the "red glass" in the diagram).  To
> complete the analogy, the sunlight would have
> to be the "complementary color" to the orange-
> ish of the eclipsed moon; i.e. it would have to
> be blue-ish.  But where in "outer space" is the
> blue "filter" for the sunlight? -- I don't know
> of any.
>
> So, at first glance the analogy doesn't work.
> But, at this point, I wouldn't be too quick to
> conclude that somehow the same principle is not
> at work in Steiner's experiment and in the
> lunar eclipse.  After all, I still haven't
> figured out exactly what this "principle" is.
> I'm still kinda assuming that the colored
> shadows are "objective" as Steiner said, but I
> still haven't proven this for myself.  I'm
> somewhat wishing that I had an orderly garage
> workshop so I could do the experiment for
> myself, with the narrow tube for viewing as
> Steiner suggested.  Maybe I'll have to break
> into a high-school physics lab?
>
> I'm still very much puzzled by contradictory
> reports mentioned in the footnotes that I
> quoted in my first post.  This experiment is
> literally so simple that a child could do it;
> why hasn't the question of the colored shadows'
> "objectivity" been settled long ago? -- BTW, I
> haven't receive a word of reply from JL Benson
> about this.
>
> But maybe some bright, young Goethean physicist
> will explain the principle at work in colored
> shadows and go on to apply it to lunar
> eclipses?  Maybe he is reading this thread
> right now?
>
> Robert M
>
>
Dear Friends,

I am not that bright young Goethean physicist knowledgeable regarding
technical/scientific aspects of lunar eclipses, but I can describe in
my own way viewing a total lunar eclipse throughout the moon's full
transit about 20 years ago. My son and I watched with telescope and
naked eyes the entire wonder, from beginning to end. This moon was
copper colored during all phases of its eclipse out here on the coast
of central California.

Blessings,
Sheila

I wrote:

"…if you were standing on the Moon, the Earth would appear almost completely stationary; it would not rise and fall over the Moon horizon, but would always face the Moon as the Moon rotated around the Earth."

I should have emphasized "almost completely stationary" instead of saying the Earth is completely stationary, if you're looking at the Earth from the surface of the Moon.  I don't know what I was thinking.  The Earth moves through the Moon's sky according to a thirty day cycle.         

Click here and watch a short YouTube video clip of the Moon orbit.

--- In steiner@yahoogroups.com, "Mathew Morrell" <tma4cbt@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> The fact that we always see the same face of the Moon can be explained
> by close observation and common sense.
>
> The Moon faces the Earth and never reveals its "dark side"
> because The Moon rotates exactly one time during each Earth orbit.
>
> If this is hard for you to imagine, place yourself mentally on the
> sun-brightened surface of the Moon. Then try to imagine what you would
> see over the course of the Moon phases. At Full Moon, you would see the
> night side of the earth. At New Moon you would see the day lightened
> surface. In short, the Earth would always be in the opposite phase then
> the Moon. Furthermore, if you were standing on the Moon, the Earth
> would appear almost completely stationary; it would not rise and fall
> over the Moon horizon, but would always face the Moon as the Moon
> rotated around the Earth.
>
> If you still can't make a mental picture of this phenomenon, then
> click here <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjDt8qz8g6E&feature=related>
> and watch a short YouTube video clip of the Moon orbit.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The mathematical symmetry of the Moon-Earth orbit gives credence to the
> idea that the Earth and the Moon were previously one, single, united
> body when the planets were in their formative stages, and that the two
> bodies broke apart during some cataclysmic event in the distant past.
> Rudolph Steiner was among the first to support the united Earth-Moon
> model. Now this theory is accepted by the majority of astronomers and
> is taught in, I would imagine, all beginning college astronomy courses.
> It was taught in mine.
>
>
>
> From our perspective here on Earth, the Moon turns dark and eerily red
> during a total lunar eclipse. But the Moon itself is not actually
> reddening. Light from the sun is bending through the Earth's
> atmosphere as it "curls" around the Earth and throws the Moon
> into a darkened shadow. The redness, so to speak, comes from the Earth.
>
> I'll let the spiritual scientists in this group interpret this
> information for what it is.
>

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Mathew Morrell wrote:

>>From our perspective here on Earth, the Moon
turns dark and eerily red during a total lunar
eclipse.  But the Moon itself is not actually
reddening.  Light from the sun is bending
through the Earth's atmosphere as it "curls"
around the Earth and throws the Moon into a
darkened shadow.  The redness, so to speak,
comes from the Earth.<<

Carol brought this from Yahoo Answers:

>>The coppery glow of the totally eclipsed moon
is due to refraction of sunlight by the earth
which, during a total lunar eclipse, is causing
a total solar eclipse. Sunlight is bent
(refracted) by the thick atmosphere of the
earth, and it is only the red light that gets
through (like red sunsets).<<

Robert writes:

We might have a tendency go down on our knees
before the "explanations" of Science (with the
capital *S*).  After all, Science builds
computers and rockets and nukes, and Scientists
have PhDs from prestigious universities and get
Nobel Prizes . . . so how could we, mere
uneducated peasants and proles that we are,
dare to contradict the "explanations" of
Science?  To do so would show us not only to be
uneducated but stupid, and arrogantly stupid at
that.

But despite the amazing inventions of Science
and the authoritative prestige of Scientists,
Science is sometimes astonishingly stupid.  To
recount an example often mentioned by Steiner,
the conventional "explanation" of lightning as
an enormous spark discharging "static
electricity" in the storm clouds disregards the
simplest, most basic facts about static
electricity.  Common experience shows that
static electricity on a small scale cannot
exist in the presence of moisture; we get those
sparks only when the air is dry.  Yet Science
somehow decided that static electricity is
generated on a large scale in the rain clouds,
and students must bow before the authority of
the Scientific "explanation", no matter how
grossly it violates common sense.  And most do
mentally bow; such is the hypnotic power and
crushing authority of Science.

Most of us (myself included all too often)
simply do not have the audacity to exercise
simple common sense if it contradicts the
"explanations" of Science.  Somehow, simple
common sense alone is not enough; we need an
alternative, better scientific explanation.  In
the case of lightning, we do have a more
plausible explanation from the unorthodox, un-
authoritative neo-Goethean science as
exemplified in Ernst Lehrs' *Man or Matter*.
Lehrs explains that lightning is an electrical,
polaric counter-manifestation to the sudden
conversion of water from the imponderable, non-
material state to the ponderable, material
state in the process of the production of rain
during thunderstorms. -- Given this better
scientific explanation derived through a long,
arduous mental process, one might feel
embarrassed that one failed to use one's simple
common sense in the first place, in the face of
the orthodox Scientific "explanation".

So, having had a brushing acquaintance with
Goethean color science, I will venture to try
to apply a little common sense to this orthodox
"refraction explanation" of the reddish-orange
color of the moon during lunar eclipses. -- We
can see this orthodox "explanation" depicted
here by Wikipedia:
<html> <br> <img
scr="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Lunar_eclipse_optics.jpg">
<br> </html>

We can see that here the earth's atmosphere is
envisioned as a kind of "refracting" prism that
"breaks up" the sunlight into a spectrum, just
as a prism in a high school physics book
supposedly "breaks up" so-called "white light"
into the seven colors of the "spectrum":  red,
orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, violet.
The red ends of these supposed spectra from
opposite sides of the earth's atmosphere are
bent toward the center of the earth's "umbra"
shadow, where the moon is situated during a
lunar eclipse.  Thus, during the eclipse the
moon is bathed in this "refracted" red light
and therefore appears reddish. -- Such is the
Scientific "explanation".

But something is wrong with this picture.  If
one imagines the moon moving toward its
position in the red light at the point of
eclipse, one realizes that the moon would have
to pass through the spectrum on one side going
into "totality" and then pass through the
spectrum on the other side coming out of
"totality".  So the moon would have to appear
to change colors in sequence during the whole
process of the eclipse; it would have to go
through the blues to green, yellow, orange, and
then red -- and again through orange, yellow,
green, blue, indigo, and violet.  But I have
seen a lunar eclipse, and I have never seen any
such sequence of coloration of the moon.  And I
would guess that neither has anyone else here
seen any such colors on the moon.  The
"empirical" facts don't fit the "refraction
explanation", so that hypothesis (and it was
*only* an hypothesis), no matter how "orthodox"
and "authoritative", must go into the round
file.

Something else also is wrong, in a theoretical
way, with that picture.  The basic "empirical"
facts of the prism show that at the border of
darkness and light only one "end" of the full
spectrum is ever produced by a "refracting",
prism.  To get the standard, seven-colored
spectrum, one needs to bring two borders of
darkness close together so that only a narrow
beam of light passes through the prism.  Only
then the red-orange-yellow and the blue-indigo-
violet overlap in the middle and produce the
green.  (Conversely, when a narrow band of
darkness is bordered on both sides by lightness
the prism produces the "dark spectrum":  blue-
indigo-violet-"peach blossom" (or "purpur")-
red-orange-yellow.) -- So, in the planetary
set-up pictured in the Wikipedia "explanation"
at most only three colors, not seven, could be
produced by a "refracting" atmosphere on
opposite sides of the earth.

But what about the red of the sunset? -- The
basic insights of Goethe provide a far more
satisfactory explanation than the "refraction"
hypothesis.  Orthodox Science may "explain" the
blue of the sky by "Rayleigh scattering" or
whatever, but Goethe grasped the simple
"archetypal phenomenon" that applies.  When
darkness is viewed through a light-filled
"turbid" (*trübes*)  medium, the blue end of
the spectrum appears.  Thus the "turbid",
light-filled atmosphere during daytime appears
blue; as one goes higher and the air becomes
thinner, less "turbid", the color passes
through indigo to violet and finally to black.
And when lightness, such as that of the sun, is
viewed through a "turbid" medium, the red side
of the spectrum appears.  As the medium becomes
more "turbid" the light appears as yellow, then
orange, then red, and finally darkens.  (These
"archetypal phenomena" can readily be
demonstrated in the laboratory, as Steiner did
in the *Light Course*.) -- So the sky appears
blue and the sun yellowish at noon (on a clear
day), and the sun appears reddish at sunrise
and sunset.  Why reddish?  Because we are
looking at the sun obliquely through more
atmosphere than we are at noon, and thus
through more "turbidity".  This is a simple,
large-scale manifestation of the "archetypal
phenomenon", and we don't need "refraction" as
an "explanation" of the red sunset any more
than we need "Rayleigh scattering" as an
"explanation" of the blue sky.

Lehrs puts the matter this way:

"It is also possible to produce the ur-
phenomenon experimentally by placing a glass
jug filled with water before a black ackground,
illuminating the jug from the side, and
gradually clouding the water by the admixture
of suitable substances. Whilst the brightness
appearing in the direction of the light goes
over from yellow and orange to an increasingly
red shade, the darkness of the black background
brightens to blue, which increases and passes
over to a milky white.

"It had already become clear to Goethe in Italy
that all colour-experience is based on a
polarity, which he found expressed by painters
as the contrast between 'cold' and 'warm'
colours. Now that the coming-into-being of the
blue of the sky and of the yellow of the sun
had shown themselves to him as two processes of
opposite character, he recognized in them the
objective reason why both colours are
subjectively experienced by us as opposites.
Blue is illumined darkness - yellow is darkened
light' - thus could he assert the urphenomenon,
while he expressed the relation to Light of
colours in their totality by saying: 'Colours
are Deeds and Sufferings of Light.' . . .

". . . . Goethe . . . . had learnt from the
macro-telluric realm that with decreasing
density of the corporeal medium, the blue sky
takes on ever deeper tones, while with
increasing density of the medium, the yellow of
the sunlight passes over into orange and
finally red."

Steve Hale wrote:

>>In looking at the lunar eclipse of last
August 28th, I observed that the moon at no
time goes dark at all. It simply drifts into
this rather reddish coloring over a period of
two hours and then comes back out of the shadow
with its original brilliant glow. Thus, it
confirmed for me that it is actually the moon
that illuminates the umbra with its own light
source . . . .

>>. . . . the moon is self-shining . . . .<<

And:

>>. . . . a shroud of sorts that passes across
the face of the moon, which always bears its
own light. . . .

>>. . . . the phases of the moon have nothing
to do with the sun, but everything to do with a
shadow-sphere that surrounds the moon as a
shroud, and actually rotates around it. . . .

>>The Full Moon is when the shroud has turned
to move across the opposite side, and is not
visible. The moon shines in its true Jahve
brilliance, which it always bears in itself. .
. .

>>. . . . this shroud of the moon is in fact
the Eighth Sphere . . . .

Robert writes:

I think I'm starting to get your picture now,
but I'm far from ready to buy into it.  What a
strange coincidence that this rotating "shroud"
of the 8th sphere is always placed where the
dark shadow would be if the moon were
illuminated only (or mainly) by the sun, and
what a coincidence that the moon is always
itself shining exactly where its surface would
be shining if it were so illuminated by the
sun!  I don't see any easy way to test your
hypothesis most of the time, but during the
lunar eclipse the hypothesis breaks down.  If
the usual, (relatively) bright moonlight (that
most of us take to be reflected from the sun)
were generated by the moon itself, then it
shouldn't make any difference when the moon is
eclipsed.  If, as you say, the "shroud" during
the full moon is turned away from the earth,
then when the (full) moon is in the sun-shadow
of the earth (i.e. during a lunar eclipse) the
lack of direct sunlight on the moon should make
no difference in the moon's apparent
brightness; the eclipsed moon should be as
bright as any full moon, not a dull reddish.
So it seems to me . . . .

-- But, given the implausibility of the
orthodox "explanation" of the color of the
eclipsed moon, I'm more inclined to suspect
that Steve's (implied?) hint might be true:
that the same principle is at work as in the
phenomenon of "colored shadows".  Or at least
we will need in the end some kind of quasi-
Goethean explanation.  Despite all its
technological wizardry, orthodox Science is
far from understanding even the simplest
principles of light and color.

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Steve wrote:

>>. . . . the moon is self-shining in its
entirety, and the so-called "phases" need a new
explanation.<<

Robert writes:

It seems to me that Carol was onto something
with the first sentence she wrote:

>>Notice, the nuances:  'spiritual sense',
'physically it appears' and 'in reality'.<<

Robert writes:

Here are the crucial sentences from the
Steiner-said that Steve brought:

". . . . in the spiritual sense, light streams
out from Saturn, Jupiter, Mercury, Venus and
the Moon.

"Physically it appears as though the sun gives
the planets light . . . ."

Robert continues:

It seems to me that Steve is, at the least,
confusing these "physical appearances" with
light in the "spiritual sense".  I started this
thread with Steiner's discussion of an aspect
of the *physical appearances* of light and
color, namely the observable facts of "colored
shadows".  Colored shadows are physical
appearances, and the question I raised was
about the physical appearances, nothing more.
And when Steve brought the phenomenon of the
lunar eclipse into this thread, I thought that
he was talking about the physical appearances
of lunar eclipses and trying to relate them to
the principle at work in the physical
appearances of colored shadows.  And in my
discussion of the scientific theories of
eclipses and sunsets I was dealing with the
physical phenomena of light and color, not with
light in the "spiritual sense".

Steve quotes that passage from Steiner as
supporting the view that "the moon is self-
shining in its entirety", but it is obvious
that Steiner was not talking about the moon in
its *physical appearance* being "self-shining";
RS was talking about light in the *spiritual
sense* coming from the moon.  He explicitly
confirmed the common-sense "physical
appearance" that the sun gives light to the
planets including the moon.  Plainly, Steiner's
discussion here does not support the view that
”the moon is self-shining in its entirety" if
this "entirety" includes the physical
appearances.  And apparently to Steve it does
include them, an incomprehensible confusion of
light in its physical and spiritual aspects.

Steve wrote:

>>In reading what you offered above, Robert, I
am thinking about natural effects vs.
artificial effects created in a lab environment
using such devices as a "turbid" in this case .
. . Common sense tells me that there is a
difference between the results of natural
viewing and the views of the lab experiments.<<

Robert writes:

But no laboratory can violate the "laws of
Nature"; nothing "unnatural" in the literal
sense can be produced in laboratory
experiments, especially such simple ones
involved here.  What the experiments do, in the
Goethean sense, if done properly, is to make
the "archetypal phenomena" clear to the mind.

Steve wrote:

>>For example, when sunlight and the moisture
contained in clouds affect the atmosphere, then
we naturally see all seven rays of light of the
spectrum in the form of the rainbow. Thus, rain
is important in achieving this prismatic effect
. . . .<<

Carol wrote:

>>Perhaps the question to be asked is, what is
the living nature of the Sun as a mass, as it
stands in the sky nowadays?<<

Robert writes:

In Chapter XVIII of *Man or Matter* Lehrs
discusses the rainbow and relates it to
"prismatic effects" and to the "nature of the
Sun".  I can't go through his whole explanation
here; one needs to read the whole chapter, but
really the whole book.  To make a long story
short:  the Sun, even in its physical nature,
is not a "mass" at all; it is a region of
"negative density" or "counter-space".
(Steiner discusses this principle often, as do,
following him, George Adams [Kaufmann] and
Olive Whicher; you could do some Googling.)
The rainbow appears when atmospheric conditions
display an image of the sun; the colors appear
as "boundary effect" at the interface of space
and the "negative space" of the sun.  (Usually
the sun-image is incomplete; thus the rainbow
is usually only a more-or-less short arc.  But
sometimes the whole image of the sun-disc is
displayeded, and then the rainbow appears as a
complete circle, as I have seen.)

A few words from Lehrs:

"From what we have learnt already we can say at
once that the rainbow must represent some sort
of border-phenomenon, thus pointing to the
existence of a boundary between two space-
regions of differing illumination. Our question
therefore must be: what is the light-image
whose boundary comes to coloured manifestation
in the phenomenon of the rainbow? There can be
no doubt that the image is that of the sun-
disk, shining in the sky. When we see a
rainbow, what we are really looking at is the
edge of an image of the sun-disk, caught and
reflected, owing to favourable conditions, in
the atmosphere. (Observe in this respect that
the whole area inside the rainbow is always
considerably brighter than the space outside.)

"Once we realize this to be the true nature of
the rainbow, the peculiar order of its colours
begins to speak a significant language. The
essential point to observe is that the blue-
violet part of the spectrum lies on the inner
side of the rainbow-arch - the side immediately
adjoining the outer rim of the sun-image -
while the yellow-red part lies on the outer
side of the arch - the side turned away from
the sun-image. What can we learn from this
about the distribution of positive and negative
density inside and outside the realm occupied
by the sun-disk itself in the cosmos?

"We remember {from Lehrs' discussion of
'prismatic effects' -- RM} that along the
gradient from blue to violet, negative density
(Light) increases and positive density (Dark)
decreases, while from yellow to red it is just
the reverse-positive density increases and
negative density decreases. The rainbow
therefore indicates a steady increase of Dark
towards the outer rim, and of Light towards the
inner. Evidently, what the optical image of the
sun in the atmosphere thus reveals concerning
the gradation of the ratio between Light and
Dark in the radial direction, is an attribute
of the entire light-realm which stretches from
the sun to that image. And again, the attribute
of this realm is but an effect of the dynamic
relation between the sun itself and the
surrounding cosmic space.

"The rainbow thus becomes a script to us in
which we read the remarkable fact that the
region occupied by the sun in the cosmos is a
region of negative density, in relation to
which the region surrounding the sun is one of
positive density. Far from being an
accumulation of ponderable matter in a state of
extremely high temperature, as science
supposes, the sun represents the very opposite
of ponderability."

Steve wrote:

>>. . . . just as lack of moisture combined
with extraordinary static friction of the
atmosphere creates lightning.<<

Robert writes:

But obviously, lightning (usually) occurs where
there is a pronounced *lack* of a "lack of
moisture".

Steve wrote:

>>In the case of an observable lunar eclipse
our vision, of course, is undisturbed by
clouds, so the three aspects of the red band
are displayed over the duration of the eclipse.
The refracted (deflected) light would have to
be enlightened by the self-shining moon as its
passes through the umbra for the simple reason
that the atmosphere on the darkened side of the
earth is too weak to bear the light of the sun
itself to the naked eye. But, what the naked
eye is able to view standing in the shadow zone
during a lunar eclipse, is the moon taking on
the color of the deflected light on its face as
it passes through, making deflected sunlight
visible to the eye. After passing through the
shadow, the atmosphere returns to darkness, and
the moon's original light is restored.<<

Robert writes:

This paragraph is unintelligible to me.  I've
already talked about the alleged "refraction"
and the allegedly "self-shining moon"; rather
than repeat what I've already said, I'll leave
it at that.

Steve wrote:

>>The shroud of the moon, which has been given
a very clever and logical explanation as the
phases of the moon, described in the second url
above, is actually the Eighth Sphere. If you
remember from the discourse on the ES from last
summer . . . .<<

Robert writes:

Steve, I do remember enough of your "discourse"
of last summer to recall that I couldn't make
any sense of what you were saying and that I
bailed out of the discussion.  I'm going to
bail out again; just a remark on the way out:
I think that once again you are confusing the
physical and the non-physical.  Your theory
requires a physical shroud, but the 8th Sphere
is non-physical.

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I think we have found the principles of the Eighth Ray projection
based upon the work recently come about on the Anthroposophy board.
I would like to put this forward as a creative expression of this
work.  Any views or comments, agrees or disagrees will be gladly
welcome.

Thank you to Alice Bailey for laying the foundation of the Seven
Rays. With great respect for her work trusting in providence she has
our approval as we introduce a New Ray – The Eighth Ray.

The Moon uniting with the Earth is the Order of Principle for the
Eighth Ray.

Although this uniting may be in the future it will according to the
evolution of Earth happen.  I feel signs of this uniting are evident
in the amount of flooding the world has experienced recently over the
past few years and this uniting may be linked with the so called
global warming.

The Eighth Ray – sacred Planet Pluto – Ray of Transformation and
Regeneration

The Eighth Ray in linked with the will to end outworn forms bringing
transformation and transmutation so vital and basic that man
eventually becomes the new and Living One.

The Eighth Ray projects through-

Scorpio – exoteric planet the Mars, esoteric planet the Mars
Cancer – exoteric planet the sacred Moon, esoteric planet Neptune
Capricorn – exoteric planet Saturn, esoteric planet Saturn.


If I may put forward my workings out:

Pluto is the esoteric planet of Pisces, representing the slow but
eventual ending of the Piscean Age in to the Aquarian Age.

Pluto has been linked to Osiris and this rich symbology is told very
well by Stephen Hale in our conversation on Antichthon:

`This would entail thinking moving in direct relation to this solid
mineral perception, and the rather pure deductions of the
philosophers, including Pythagoras' perception of the Antichtonic
world, would be driven further and further below perception, as
the 'induced' view of the world as a horizontal plane superimposed
itself over the originating spherical view known to the Greeks'.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/anthroposophy/message/15564

And enriched by Bradford, holderlin66, writings;

"How we measure the growth of the Christ into the sphere of humanity,
is by following the direct stage, by stage, enhancement by
enhancement, build up by build up of the general miracles....as the
kindled Logos in the individuals and in the specialized Initiation of
Lazarus,  that reaches over the divide of the world of Spirit and
Matter where Christ rebuilds the Bridge that he crossed in coming
into our realm and adds the super-NOVA forces that shine from lazarus
back into the realm of the gods, so that the gods knew that suddenly
a super-force had awakened in humanity. "But in raising the issue of
the 13th century initiation of Christian Rosenkreuz, the entire super
model of a new super nova seen in the astral light from
Golgotha....the Super Nova happened and how it happened must be
grasped by even the cleverest of the intellects.   From TWELVE
streams that now flow into a person who has digested and reconfigured
the LOGOS into human consciousness via the Lazarus Initiation, due to
the direct recovery of the Logos in Man via the Christ, the
restoration of the Logos through the Lazarus/John and Christianity as
Mystical Fact.

(message 14802 on the same Anthroposophy board)

Osiris may be seen as Lazarus raised from the dead. Very much the
theme of Pluto.

I believe in the near future – The Spiritual Sun, The Hermetic Sun
will be accorded His Ray.  The above writings express the birth of
this Ray - The Hermetic Sun is representative of the force which
raised Lazarus from the dead.  I imagine Venus will be linked with
this Ray.

However before birth there is a dying and a becoming, represented by
the Eighth Ray.  As Tom on the Anthroposophy World board quoted
Goethe's mystical words (message 53):

Stirb und Werde!

Und so lang du das nicht hast,
Dieses: Stirb und Werde!
Bist du nur ein trüber Gast
Auf der dunklen Erde.
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Die and be reborn!
Die and be reborn!
Die and be reborn!

If you do not die and be reborn,
You are but a gloomy guest
Upon this dark and dreary earth.


St. Paul also beautifully wrote :  I die daily.


I have chosen these Zodiac signs as the signs whom project the Eighth
Ray:

Scorpio - The sign of the transformation - the Scorpion to the
Eagle.  Scorpio is linked with the planet Pluto and rules the eighth
house, the Occult house which governs regeneration.  The lower ego to
the higher Self. A struggle represented by Scorpio's planet Mars, the
planet of war – the wrestle between the desire and sensual instincts
belonging to the sense world and the freedom from these desires which
raises self into the spirit-world which belongs to freedom.

In its lower phase, Scorpio debases and stings the man, sometimes to
the death, so that man may be aroused and awakened to the light of
truth, and it is through such transmutation that Scorpio is the
Eagle.  In this higher phase of the Eagle, we see the man of powerful
thought and ultra-keen insight into people and things. The
regenerative function is thus seen to reside in this magical sign,
which rules death, the dead, and the raising from the dead – raising
from the scorpion to the eagle that soars above the mountain tops and
whose flight has more to do with the heavens than with the earth.

Scorpio: http://www.philosophyoffreedom.com/node/2299


Cancer – Is the Moon and the esoteric planet thereof is Neptune – the
higher octave of the Moon.  Neptune is linked with Pisces.  Neptune
has a dissolving influence (global warming).  Cancer is the
Metamorphosis spoken about under John Jocelyn's Zodiac writings – The
great leap made possible by the Lunar forces from the Moon
representing collective consciousness into the Sun representing the
individualized Self in Christ consciousness.

A leap-over from the Old Dispensation of Jehovah and the Moon to the
New Dispensation of the Christ and the Sun.  Jehovah then
relinquished right and rule as the Plenipotentiary of the Moon in the
education of humanity, to the Christ from the Sun, who came not to
destroy the law but to fulfill it with his grace and truth.

Cancer: http://www.philosophyoffreedom.com/node/1742


Capricorn – is the sign of Initiation, the goat through steady
climbing of the mountain becomes the unicorn, its sublime magnitude,
and its major effect to individualize man, making him a soul
quickened by the Spirit, one of a great whole, yet with a distant
sense of individuality.  This comes through the Father Saturn /
Chronos the keeper and guardian of Time.  Being the guardian of karma
through time and the Moon the dwelling place of where karma is kept
before descent into the Spirit world and collected upon descent into
matter.

Saturn, as Chronos, is Father Time, the Guardian of Time. As the
Cosmic Recorder, it is the planet of cosmic memory.  The Saturn-
beings have recorded everything that has happened since `in the
beginning' the Saturn Period, when human evolution began.  Saturn
imparts to man retentive memory.  It is also the producer of a silent
power, the fruit of patience through many lives of helpful
hindrance.

Capricorn: http://www.philosophyoffreedom.com/node/2521



`Lao the Master said, The Great Tao has no bodily form, but It
produced and nourishes heaven and earth.  The Great Tao has no
passions, but It causes the sun and moon to revolve as they do.  The
Great Tao has no name, but It effects the growth and maintenance of
all things.  I do not know Its name, but I make an effort, and call
It the Tao'.

From the Texts of Taoism in Alice Bailey's Universal Rhythms.


Please offer any comments or thoughts on the New Eighth Ray and
whether you think the Zodiac signs are the correct ones.  Thanks.

Under Capricorn it should read:

Being the guardian of karma through time and the Moon the dwelling
place of where karma is kept before Ascent into the Spirit world and
collected upon descent into matter.

Research question to all:

Does anyone have any info about a possible
connection between the Austrian poet Fercher
von Steinwand and the Spirit who was Mani?
There may be some info in an article in *Der
Europaeer*, Vol. 6, Num. 6:  "Lenker der
weissen Loge der Deutschen" by Andreas Bracher.
I don't have the text, and I could hardly
read it anyway; it's auf deutsch.

Robert Mason





      
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THE DAYS OF THE WEEK

Sunday, February 17th. Moon Cancer.  Giordano Bruno burned 1600. Olcott died 1907.

Monday, February 18th. Moon Leo.   Luther died 1546. Michelangelo died 1564. Volta born 1745.

Tuesday, February 19th. Moon Leo. Copernicus born 1473. 1700, Acceptance of the Gregorian Calendar by the Protestants.

Wednesday February 20th. Moon Virgo. Full Moon.   Voltaire born 1694.                             

Thursday, February 21st. Moon Virgo. Spinoza died 1677.

Friday, February 22nd. Moon Virgo.  Papias (Disciple of the Apostles, died as a martyr 116 A.D.) Schopenhauer born 1788.                  

Saturday, February 23rd. Moon Libra.   Lazarus (the poor man in the Gospel). Lazarus (who as described in John’s Gospel by Christ was awakened). Mathematician Gauss died 1855. Eduard von Hartmann born 1842.

PLANETS IN THE NIGHT & MORNING SKY (Northern Hemisphere):

   MARS is high in the south at sunset, above Orion the Hunter. It is bright yellowish-red, near the Bull's horns. 

    Yellowish SATURN is in the East before midnight, beneath the Lion, south of the Big Dipper.

    
    VENUS and JUPITER, the brightest objects in the sky besides Sun and Moon, can be seen as brilliant 'morning stars' in the southeast from about an hour before sunrise on till dawn, next to the stars of the Scorpion in the south.

Dr. Starman


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Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:54:06 -0500
Subject: [steiner] Soul-Calendar Verse 46: Memory

The 'CALENDAR OF THE SOUL'

Dr. Rudolf Steiner gave out the 'Soul-Calendar' in 1912, consisting of 52 meditative mantras to enable us to experience the 'astral' (soul) events occurring within us as well as in Nature during the year, starting with the first mantra every year on Easter Sunday.

These mantras for each week are well known to many students of Steiner, but the original 'Calendar ' also had 12 Images of the Zodiac, to be meditated with each month (to sense the working of the 'solar' forces in the cosmos), plus a listing of the Moon's phases & position in the signs each night (for sensing the 'lunar' forces), and a list of dates of births and deaths of spiritual figures and dates of events to contemplate on specific days.

Here's the Soul-Calendar restored to this complete form. I have added some details on the planets as well.

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THE ZODIAC IMAGE
The Sun, according to the Doctor, is under the influence of the constellation AQUARIUS from February 9th to March 8th in our era.
A version of a new symbolic image of the WATER-MAN (from the original Soul-Calendar, done by an artist from Steiner's sketches & indications), is attached to this e-mail.

THE WEEK'S MANTRA:
For those not familiar with the use of mantras: The anthroposophic spiritual path uses symbolic images, like the Zodiac image (called 'Imaginations'), to awaken 'spiritual sight', and mantras ('Inspirations') to open 'spiritual hearing.'
The meaning of the words of a mantra at first sight is not important, but rather what happens when you recite it and enter with deeper soul-forces into its inner experience. Also, these mantras were created in the German language and have their rhythms in that, so learning an English version is just a step to using the original; I've kept close to it in translating, so anyone can easily go from English to German.

    *  M A N T R A  # 4 6  *

Die Welt, sie drohet zu betäuben

Der Seele eingeborene Kraft;

Nun trete du, Erinnerung,

Aus Geistestiefen leuchtend auf

Und stärke mir das Schauen

Das nur durch Willenskräfte

Sich selbst erhalten kann.

 

The World, it threatens to benumb

The Soul’s inborn strength;

Now tread you, Memory,

Out of Spirit-Deeps enlightening

And make strong for me the Vision,

That only through Will's Strength

Can preserve itself.

 

 

  An interpretation:

  We are heading towards spring and summer, when our inner selves once more sleep, while the Earth awakens.

  Last week, the power of thinking united with what was 'born' in us at Christmas, and made clear all the early spring stirrings of new life in the external world---we united with this 'becoming' of

Nature as we thought about what we perceived.

   This week, this surging new life in the outer world would 'benumb' our souls if the force of MEMORY didn't come in to play its proper role, that of preserving the Vision the spirit has had of what it wishes to create this year.

 

         
THE DAYS OF THE WEEK

Sunday, February 17th. Moon Cancer.  Giordano Bruno burned 1600. Olcott died 1907.

Monday, February 18th. Moon Leo.   Luther died 1546. Michelangelo died 1564. Volta born 1745.

Tuesday, February 19th. Moon Leo. Copernicus born 1473. 1700, Acceptance of the Gregorian Calendar by the Protestants.

Wednesday February 20th. Moon Virgo. Full Moon.   Voltaire born 1694.                             

Thursday, February 21st. Moon Virgo. Spinoza died 1677.

Friday, February 22nd. Moon Virgo.  Papias (Disciple of the Apostles, died as a martyr 116 A.D.) Schopenhauer born 1788.                  

Saturday, February 23rd. Moon Libra.   Lazarus (the poor man in the Gospel). Lazarus (who as described in John’s Gospel by Christ was awakened). Mathematician Gauss died 1855. Eduard von Hartmann born 1842.

 

PLANETS IN THE NIGHT & MORNING SKY (Northern Hemisphere):

   MARS is high in the south at sunset, above Orion the Hunter. It is bright yellowish-red, near the Bull's horns. 

 

    Yellowish SATURN is in the East before midnight, beneath the Lion, south of the Big Dipper.

    
    VENUS and JUPITER, the brightest objects in the sky besides Sun and Moon, can be seen as brilliant 'morning stars' in the southeast from about an hour before sunrise on till dawn, next to the stars of the Scorpion in the south.

Dr. Starman


www.DrStarman.com

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Dear Friends,

Those of you living from the midwestern and eastern US and throughout
western Europe are in for an incredibly beautiful sight. Unless I'm
mistaken, the completely full moon will go into total eclipse Tuesday
or Wednesday night, depending upon location. Sad to say, I'll be able
to see at most only the very latter stage of this phenomenon unless
the mountains block the sight even sooner. I so hope all or most of
you are able to see this!

Blessings,

Sheila

Psalms 8

O Lord our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth!
Who hast set thy glory above the heavens.  Out of the mouth of babes
and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies,
that thou mighest still the enemy and the avenger.

When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the
stars, which thou hast ordained; what is man that thou art mindful of
him?

For that thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast
crowned him with glory and honour.  Thou madest him to have dominion
over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:
all sheep and oxen, yea; and the beast of the field; the fowl of the
air and the fish of the sea, and whatsoever passeth through the paths
of the seas.

O Lord our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth!

Yahoo list rules-

No 11. You cannot re-post or re-transmit content that belongs to
another user without that user's permission. A Groups owner or
moderator (or any other user) cannot re-post or re-transmit Groups
content to any other site unless the person has the explicit
permission of every group member whose content is being re-posted or
re-transmitted.

I do apologies for breaking this rule.  I do understand how it must
feel awkward for the posters involved.  I sincerely hope that the posts
which I re-transmitted are taken in the spirit of goodwill which they
are intended to be.

I suppose it is through breaking the rules we come to learn what the
actually rules are!

Caryn.

To All:

I have posted photos of four book pages that
are relevant to this question:
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E6aMu2jITnF6TmcmKGII3f5w7ujHGmlBxIFtHS7uHxzSWEuad9d_qN/P2120030%5B1%5D.JPG>
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<http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/cF-7R_mNPgOki843nzaUWotiJGULmqcrlBv2--P5cdaanC8ipf\
AbLBBz6Vr0k3i4pr2XYS2SAvYada0OgdKYGmvuwr_9JFrnVpnd_h7G/P2120032%5B1%5D.JPG>
<http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/cF-7Rxgk0Ziki843CDY2lsuGimKG3d4riI7g_JPpruUJa2WNki\
Yci8_O4Yz7aA29D5AxAZIu0aY_DiUxUj9amXK50lIVIGJ20kV2_t94/P2120033%5B1%5D.JPG>
(Unhappily, I don't know the title or author
of this book.

The first photo especially is dark and blurry,
but the others are not quite so bad.  I guess
the legibility depends a lot on the quality of
one's visual display.  Perhaps some pixel-
people here might do some light-blasting or
something to make the text more readable.  But
it is in German.

There's info in there somewhere, for whoever
can dig it out.

Robert Mason






      
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I made a video on Hieronymus Bosch and posted it at YouTube.  Click the link below to watch the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6JPPHIEk3s

--- In steiner@yahoogroups.com, "Mathew Morrell" <tma4cbt@...> wrote:
>
>
> I made a video on Hieronymus Bosch and posted it at YouTube.  Click the
> link below to watch the video.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6JPPHIEk3s
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6JPPHIEk3s>
>
Dear Mathew,

This is GREAT! Please let us know when you post another video? This is
one to keep!

Thanks,
Sheila