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#3405 From: John Massengale <john@...>
Date: Tue Sep 6, 2005 3:25 pm
Subject: Katrina / Ahriman
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Is there somewhere online where I can read about what Steiner said about Ahriman’s actions during our time?

Thanks,

John

#3406 From: John Massengale <john@...>
Date: Tue Sep 6, 2005 3:25 pm
Subject: Tesla
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Did Steiner ever talk about Tesla?

Thanks,

John

#3407 From: Hithcalen <hithcalen@...>
Date: Tue Sep 6, 2005 3:44 pm
Subject: Re: Tesla
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By  TESLA you mean electromagnetic fields ?
If so , yes he seek about that as an under etheric World, or even deeper under-spiritual worlds.
Just look at the Strader Machine conférence. He also speaks of the structure of Nature (in the initiate point of w) within the volume : "Limits to the knowledge of nature".(I don't know the exact titel in english)

Did Steiner ever talk about Tesla?

Thanks,

John

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#3408 From: Sue <aquariusrises2001@...>
Date: Tue Sep 6, 2005 3:47 pm
Subject: Re: Katrina / Ahriman
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Dear John,

There are alot of lectures and books at
http://wn.rsarchive.org  .... you will find much about
Ahriman and Lucifer. When you know the nature of these
beings, you can see them working in our daily lives in
the most unsuspecting ways. I hope this helps.

Peace and love... Sue.





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#3409 From: LilOleMissy <lilolemissy@...>
Date: Tue Sep 6, 2005 4:50 pm
Subject: Re: Tesla
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John, to the best of my knowledge, for what it's worth, I don't recall ever encountering Nicole Tesla's name in any of Steiner's lectures, although he, Steiner, spoke about electricity very much and from very many perspectives, including The Double. Please don't take my poor recollections as final, though. Tesla's influence turned out to be incredibly enormous, and one wonders what he destroyed as being too dangerous for mankind to have recourse to, or what "mechanism" was available to him to withstand some of his experiments! Years ago I took advantage of visiting Tesla's work in the, if I remember correctly, Lakawanda Power Station over the Niagara River. Old even at that time, it was a marvel of advanced electrical engineering and potential from a materialistic standpoint.  

As a sidenote to Sue: Your wise heartfelt words of wisdom regarding art are indeed welcomed enormously as are all your warm comments! Yes, I live in the US near Monterey, California and studied Carl Steggmann's "The Other America" years ago. At the time, he was also heavily involved in deeply spiritual and beautiful watercolors, a display of which I was given the opportunity to view in private [no one else chanced by the studio at the time :)  ]  Carl was, unless I err here, a CC Priest and very deeply loved as was Mrs. Steggmenn, both of whom had much to do with the creation of R.S. College in Fair Oaks, California, which is a section, so to say, of Sacramento, 200 miles NNE of me.  

Now it's off to duties I haven't found a way to squeak out of! ACK!

Blessings,

Sheila

On Sep 6, 2005, at 8:25 AM, John Massengale wrote:

Did Steiner ever talk about Tesla?

Thanks,

John


#3410 From: "Pierre Gringoire" <gringoire@...>
Date: Tue Sep 6, 2005 6:12 pm
Subject: Re: Tesla
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> Did Steiner ever talk about Tesla?

    I'm not sure whether Steiner spoke about Tesla directly.  He did however speak about a form of energy which has been associated with Tesla's name.  This form of energy is sometimes referred to as 'Vril', after the name given to it by Edward Bulwer-Lytton.  Bulwer-Lytton's novel of the same name appeared in 1871, and was, I believe, the first public mention of this form of power.  The novel is a bit flat, but includes indications of both the capability of the power and the means by which is can be made manifest.  In the novel, 'Vril' powers generators and automatons by means of energy coming from members of a developed race of beings.

    Although the idea was presented in novel form, there were many, including Steiner, who regarded it as no mere fantasy.  Blavatsky was aware of 'Vril', and mentions it in 'Isis Unveiled'.  C. G. Harrison also spoke about it in 'The Transcendental Universe', although with great reservation.  His view was that the release of this force would be a curse rather than a blessing for mankind.  It would constitute, he said:

    "...placing in the hands of the rich a power which would enable them to dispense with nine-tenths of the labour which at present ministers to their wants, and, at the same time, provide them with the means of instantly crushing any hostile demonstration on the part of the unemployed majority, who would then be entirely at their mercy.  Such a power in the hands of a few individuals would inaugurate a state of things too appalling to contemplate." (p82)

    There is little doubt he was referring to the same power outlined in Bulwer-Lytton's novel.  This is not nuclear power, but one based on an understanding of the etheric.  There are some who think that John Worrell Keely was a pioneer of this form of power.  Others claim that Tesla was also experimenting with it.  Much of Tesla's work was based on the energy that can be gleaned from oscillations (neon lighting, for example).  Tesla is also credited with inventing robots.  He was aware of the Bulwer-Lytton novel but denied he had been inspired by it.  Some think Tesla's work went far beyond this, with disastrous results (see 'Tunguska').

    Steiner spoke about this form of energy in the series of lectures entitled 'The Challenge of the Times', in connection with certain secret societies and their influence in the West:

    "Every knowing member of these secret circles is aware that, solely by means of certain capacities that are still latent but evolving in man, and with the help of the law of harmonious oscillations, machines and mechanical constructions and other things can be set in motion.  A small indication is to be found in what I connected with the person Strader in my Mystery Dramas" (p93).  He then goes on to reiterate C. G. Harrison's remarks (almost word for word) about the misuse of such knowledge.

    This brings us to the main point of concern; the relationship between humanity and technology.  Technology is amoral.  A knife can be used equally by a surgeon and a murderer; fire can kill germs as well as human beings.  The great 'progress' in the West is based on technological prowess alone, not on moral superiority.  What is more, technological development has diverted attention away from the need for moral development.  Anyone who doubts this only has to look at the complete breakdown of order that occurred in New Orleans this past week.

    There are reports (see Marc Seifer's biography) that, when Tesla died, the FBI siezed all the scientific papers in Tesla's possession.  Whether Tesla had really discovered 'Vril' power or had simply developed a number of weapons based on his developed knowledge of electricity is open to question.  His understanding of electricity and its potential was indeed considerable.  There is much discussion about 'HAARP', its purpose, and its connection with Tesla.


#3411 From: "Mathew Morrell" <tma4cbt@...>
Date: Wed Sep 7, 2005 4:18 am
Subject: The West
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It is rather ridiculous on Pierre Gringoire's part to use the incident
in New Orleans as proof of the West's lack of moral development.
Moreover, it's snooty.  Catastrophes have occurred elsewhere in America
and societal problems have not occurred to this extent in a way to
suggest that the West is morally bankrupt.  During 911, for instance,
there was no societal breakdown.  People were orderly and well-behaved,
as is often the case in disasters.  The roving bands of African
Americans, who are looting and vandalizing in New Orleans, are not
indicative of the West's moral character at large.  They are an
aberration---a subculture that lacks the independent thinking ability
required to live successfully in the West, an I-less mob lacking the
individuality and will power to rise above the conditions of their
environment   They require government intervention almost as a matter
of survival, yet the government of New Orleans itself suffers from the
same lack of fortitude as its populace.  Herein lies the problem.  New
Orleans is the most corrupt city in the nation, with the highest murder
and crime rate---and Pierre uses these people, New Orleans, to measure
the moral worth of the West?

#3412 From: LilOleMissy <lilolemissy@...>
Date: Wed Sep 7, 2005 4:24 am
Subject: The 8th Sphere
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Very recently, someone asked for information about what Steiner termed The Eighth Sphere" and I gave some semblance of a vague reply. Just now while searching through my collection of AP books and papers for Carl Stegmann's work, "The Other America" [which I'm unable to locate, Sue], I came across a source where one can learn about this Eighth Sphere in Steiner's words. I had asked a very knowledgeable AP for the dates of the Steiner lectures incorporated in his "The Occult Movement in the 19th Century".  In this latter mentioned work is Lecture V, entitled "The Eighth Sphere" given in Dornach October 18, 1915.

I apologize for not recognizing this sooner, and can only hope my delay has had no ill effects.

Blessings,

Sheila

#3413 From: "sarah" <sarahwh@...>
Date: Wed Sep 7, 2005 4:54 am
Subject: Re: Hello and thanks
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Hi Sue,
Welcome to the group! I'm in Perth, Australia :-)
 
Sheila, I can never see your postings as I am on digest and it says 'non displayable form'. So if you haven't already asked about the art work, then I would like to ask where we can view this artwork, as I haven't heard of it before.
 
Thanks!
 
Sarah
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#3414 From: LilOleMissy <lilolemissy@...>
Date: Wed Sep 7, 2005 5:31 am
Subject: Re: Re: Hello and thanks
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How lovely of you, Sarah! I don't have a web site since my skills are greatly lacking in that field, and the only place I've been told any of my work might still be displayed is Cambridge University, but that was several years ago, so I'm not sure. Sue's encouraging loving words  of art are so correct! Everyone tells me my best work, and it isn't good at all, is one I had stacked for the waste bin....a watercolor done while lost in thoughts of the earth emerging from a prayala - I entitled it "Winter Dawn", and can't explain that, either. My "creations" are on CD, I hope, since when I switched to Macintosh, my floppy copies were no longer valid. I'd be glad to send you a copy of whatever off-list via attachment, but I'm truly without artistic talent of any kind - other than piano, and that is stretching the point! ACK! Your work on your Waldorf Dolls is incredibly wonderful - and you did it all on your own! Your web site is a true Joy!

Are you able to read the Group's postings in their entirety, or what? I'm not familiar with digest mode.

Blessings,

Sheila

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Hi Sue,
Welcome to the group! I'm in Perth, Australia :-)
 
Sheila, I can never see your postings as I am on digest and it says 'non displayable form'. So if you haven't already asked about the art work, then I would like to ask where we can view this artwork, as I haven't heard of it before.
 
Thanks!
 
Sarah
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#3415 From: "sarah" <sarahwh@...>
Date: Wed Sep 7, 2005 12:35 pm
Subject: Re: The West
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Hi Mathew,
I do enjoy your politically incorrect posts :-) You also make some very valid points about tribalism versus individualism. Most of the world's problems, ie poverty and even famines, are tied to tribalism. Christ urged his followers to 'leave the family' (the tribe). Prophet Muhammad, on the other hand, was tribal in both his teachings and example. I won't go any further with my views on Individualism, because as far as I know it doesn't have anything to do with Anthroposophy. Or does it? ..... Forgive me; I have read only one book of Steiner's and am right at the bottom rung in learning. I am too busy as a mother of young children and being addicted to doll making!
 
And speaking of catastrophes, I got this from the FFI forum. Anyone got anything to say about this in an anthroposophical sense?;
 
Deadly Events Tied to Islamic Ceremonies   

BAGHDAD, Iraq -- Deadly incidents connected to Islamic religious ceremonies:

* Aug. 31, 2005: Over 1000 Shiite worshippers taking part in annual commemoration of a saint's death are killed in a stampede on a bridge in Baghdad, with many trampled or tumbling into the Tigris River.

* March 10, 2005: A suicide bomber blows himself up at a Shiite mosque during a funeral in the northern city of Mosul, killing at least 47 people and wounding more than 100.

* Dec. 19, 2004: Car bombs tore through a Najaf funeral procession and Karbala's main bus station, killing at least 60 people and wounding more than 120 in the two Shiite holy cities.

* March 2, 2004: Coordinated blasts from suicide bombers, mortars and planted explosives strike Shiite Muslim shrines in Karbala and in Baghdad, killing at least 181 and wounding 573.

* Feb. 1 2004: 251 Muslim pilgrims killed in stampede in Saudi Arabian city of Mina during the stoning ritual at the annual Muslim pilgrimage.

* Aug. 29, 2003: A car bomb explodes outside mosque in Najaf, killing more than 85 people, including Shiite leader Ayatollah Mohammed Baqir al-Hakim. Although officials never gave a final death toll, there were suspicions it may have been higher.

* July 4, 2003: Gunmen in the Pakistani city of Quetta storm a Shiite Muslim mosque packed with prayer worshippers, killing about 50 and wounding hundreds.

* March 5, 2001: 35 hajj pilgrims killed in stampede during stoning of the devil ritual in Mina.

* April 9, 1998: Some 180 pilgrims trampled to death when panic erupted after several fell off an overpass during the stoning of the devil ritual in Mina.

* April 15, 1997: Fires driven by high winds tore through a sprawling, overcrowded tent city at Mina, trapping and killing more than 340 pilgrims and injuring 1,500.

* May 23, 1994: 270 pilgrims killed in a stampede in Saudi Arabia's holiest city, Mecca, as worshippers surged toward a cavern for the symbolic ritual of "stoning the devil."

* July 9, 1990: 1,426 pilgrims killed in a stampede in an overcrowded pedestrian tunnel leading to holy sites in Mecca. It is the worst hajj-related tragedy.

* July 31, 1987: 402 people, mostly Iranian pilgrims, killed and 649 wounded in the Saudi city of Mecca when security forces clash with Iranians staging an anti-U.S. demonstration.

* Aug. 3, 1980: 301 people killed when a Pakistani jetliner carrying hajj pilgrims catches fire soon after takeoff from Jiddah to Riyadh, the Saudi capital, and breaks apart after an emergency landing.
 
 
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#3416 From: "sarah" <sarahwh@...>
Date: Wed Sep 7, 2005 12:37 pm
Subject: Sheila
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Hi Sheila,
For some strange reason I can only read your posts on the website. Never mind! Thank you for your kind comments on the dolls :-)
 
You can send the link to your paintings here; sarahwh@... I am toying with the idea of returning to university next year to do visual arts part time.
 
Sarah
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#3417 From: "Mathew Morrell" <tma4cbt@...>
Date: Wed Sep 7, 2005 1:31 pm
Subject: The Iron Rod Thank God
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The pessimism displayed by Pierre toward the West is not unique to
him alone.  His anti-West sentiment is wildly popular in the New Age--
-a movement stock full of third rate scholars, crackpots, white-shoed
hucksters and charlatans who stink of $5 cologne.

These are dreamers who prefer fantasy over real life solutions to the
problems facing the West---and there are problems.  Although violent
poverty has been eradicated in the West, inner impoverishment has not
and we see the consequences reverberating continuously into our daily
lives.  Daily we fight blatant materialism, commercialism,
immorality, drug and alcohol addiction, sexual perversion, animal
cruelty, corporate greed…  Over the past 35 years we've seen our
cities fill up with illegal immigrants who've come to America in such
vast numbers that they've formed their own semi-closed societies,
which drain our social welfare system, bankrupt hospitals, and fill
up our penitentiaries.  We've seen our inner city educational system
erode, despite the enormous taxes blood-letted from the workers.
We've seen our colleges and universities across America become no
more than re-education centers for political forces who've replaced
scholarship with political correctness. We've swung so far to the
Left in western culture that we've become pacified like sheep, and
have lost our instinct for self preservation.

But the forces of civilization are fighting back.  That's why the
crime rate continues to fall; in fact, the crime and murder rate is
plummeting across America, but only because the forces of
civilization (the majority of people) have had enough with
passiveness and tolerance and have launched a virtual army of
policemen to all cities across America.  Thank goodness.

Thankfully we own the "iron rod," and not the criminal faction.
Thankfully we have technology on our side, and not the gangs, the
Mafia, or terror states in the Middle East. The forces of
civilization have been given the "iron rod", and it has been given to
us by God (REV. 12:5).  The iron rod is the power of technology.  The
iron rod are the guns and ammo that allow "the thin blue line" to
dominate our cities instead of the degenerates.   The iron rod, which
Pierre Gringoire hates, is, in fact, a blessing.  Thank God for
technology.

Even though we face challenges in the West, the forces of
civilization and culture far outnumber the destructive forces who
seek our destruction.  Finally, civilization is starting to awaken.
Hopefully it's not too late.

#3418 From: Hithcalen <hithcalen@...>
Date: Wed Sep 7, 2005 1:50 pm
Subject: Re: The Iron Rod Thank God
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ST said West got to manage with mechanical occultism. Where machines will built the world. For this west has probably an anthropological culture of the I, much more different from other part of the world. Well it could be interesting to understand what is the difference from an anthroposophic point of w, between these anthropologies.

So turning back to the Steiner spiritual antropology, we may describe what's happend in the human body (etheric, astral...) and then understand the Occult difference between people, before we 're all become chinese !!!!


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#3419 From: LilOleMissy <lilolemissy@...>
Date: Wed Sep 7, 2005 6:11 pm
Subject: Re: Sheila
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Dear Sarah,

I hope not everyone has the same difficulty with my posts are you cite [shudder...] and I can't explain it! SBCglobal.net is actually SBCglobal.yahoo.com, and I wonder if that connection may have something to do with this problem? I deeply appreciate your willingness to go to so much difficulty to read things I send in - it's so very lovely of you.

My so-called paintings are not online, so there is no link. I'm sorry, Sarah, but you're not missing anything, really. I didn't and don't wish to be public, I don't sell and special requests are done gratis as I find time and/or inspiration....not from selfless motives but because I simply didn't and don't wish to be included in the local "artistic scene" of some 6 Thomas Kincade "art galleries" plus close to 100 "haute artiste" (sic)  featuring others. The local Monterey/Carmel/Pacific Grove/Pebble Beach "art scene" is, to me, beautiful but lacking in "depth", so to say, if that makes any sense.  It seems to me art must speak to the inner being of mankind for the good and my dabblings are heavily influenced by Steiner's Anthroposophical teachings, which isn't to say they actually carry the deeply spiritual message I hope to duplicate from that which I see in my inner eye. A wonderful work to study is Steiner's series of lectures printed as "Colour" while another is "Art in the Light of Mystery Wisdom" as well as others. Anthroposophical Veil Watercolor painting is incredibly beautiful - so much so, one's heart weeps with joy! Such examples and inspirations diminish my pathetic creations to the point of an almost non-existence. :~)  There is no modesty expressed here, truly! As Sue said in her wisdom, it's only paper. :) Deep Spirituality can exist within us irregardless of paintings as you've so beautifully shown in your Waldorf Dolls!

Blessings,

Sheila

sarah wrote:
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Hi Sheila,
For some strange reason I can only read your posts on the website. Never mind! Thank you for your kind comments on the dolls :-)
 
You can send the link to your paintings here; sarahwh@... I am toying with the idea of returning to university next year to do visual arts part time.
 
Sarah
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www.sarahs-dolls.com


#3420 From: Sue <aquariusrises2001@...>
Date: Wed Sep 7, 2005 9:46 pm
Subject: Re: The Iron Rod Thank God
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Dear Matthew,

May I offer this as a meditation .... from "Light on the Path", by Mabel Collins
....

" These rules were written for all disciples; attend thou to them!
    Before the eyes can see, they must be incapable of tears.
    Before the ear can hear, it must have lost it's sensitiveness.
    Before the voice can speak in the presence of the masters, it must have lost
the power to

    wound.
    Before the soul can stand in the presence of the masters, its' feet must be
washed in the
    blood of the heart. "

To Sarah ... hello from Brissy ... as Sheila remarked.. your dolls are
beautiful. Now I am very
curious about this one book you say you have read ... as the dawn of the
consciousness soul lies
before us, it is the individuality which has the task of meeting all the choices
placed before it,
either consciously or unconsciously. It is the individuality which tells me that
I am me ... and
you are you. This individuality strives to be heard and evolve. And from out of
this evolution, we
can find our way back to God. Our freedom comes from the Mystery of Golgotha,
which gave us the
chance to evolve our individuality towards this freedom. It is only the
individual who can and
must do it.

To Sheila ... no rush with "the Other America"... but you see what I mean about
nationalistic
cloudiness?  Oh.. btw .. I have a Mac too... trivia info for the day ....

Peace and love ....
Sue.



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#3421 From: "gazbow27" <gazbow27@...>
Date: Thu Sep 8, 2005 12:12 am
Subject: New Member from Liverpool, UK.
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Hello to you all,

My name is Gary, and I'm approaching my 45th year on planet Earth. I
am familiar with Steiner and his teachings(I've also read books
connected with Cayce and others). I must own up to having been absent
from the path, and must return at the beginning. This I hope will be
encouraged by belonging to this group as well as reading the many
books available. I would appreciate any guidance as to what books
would be most suitable. A gentle introduction after many years of
isolation.

Regards,
Gary

PS. I am a poet and admirer of Leonard Cohen

#3422 From: DoctorStarman@...
Date: Wed Sep 7, 2005 9:46 pm
Subject: Re: New Member from Liverpool, UK.
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In a message dated 9/7/2005 8:13:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gazbow27@... writes:

Hello to you all,

My name is Gary, and I'm approaching my 45th year on planet Earth. I
am familiar with Steiner and his teachings(I've also read books
connected with Cayce and others). I must own up to having been absent
from the path, and must return at the beginning. This I hope will be
encouraged by belonging to this group as well as reading the many
books available. I would appreciate any guidance as to what books
would be most suitable. A gentle introduction after many years of
isolation.

Regards,
Gary

PS. I am a poet and admirer of Leonard Cohen


*******Welcome to the group, Gary. I am an astrologer here at the Cayce HQ in Virginia Beach, soon to be going to Steiner's HQ in Switzerland (the Goetheanum) for some more study of anthroposophy with an emphasis on the arts. Perhaps some of our other members could introduce themselves.

   Steiner's basic books are Theosophy, Knowledge of the Higher Worlds, Cosmic Memory, Christianity As Mystical Fact and Occult Science: An Outline....all of which can be read online or downloaded and printed at the Steiner e-Library HERE:

http://www.rsarchive.org/Holdings/books.php

  And by the way, Steiner said our modern age began with the intervention of the Archangel Micha-El in human history in the form of a figure who fascinated Cohen, Joan of Arc.


-Dr. Starman
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#3423 From: LilOleMissy <lilolemissy@...>
Date: Thu Sep 8, 2005 11:12 am
Subject: praylaya?
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Please advise should this jpg not have survived its journey and I'll try again.

Blessings,

Sheila

#3424 From: LilOleMissy <lilolemissy@...>
Date: Thu Sep 8, 2005 12:21 pm
Subject: Re: New Member from Liverpool, UK.
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DoctorStarman@... wrote:
In a message dated 9/7/2005 8:13:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gazbow27@... writes:

Hello to you all,

My name is Gary, and I'm approaching my 45th year on planet Earth. I
am familiar with Steiner and his teachings(I've also read books
connected with Cayce and others). I must own up to having been absent
from the path, and must return at the beginning. This I hope will be
encouraged by belonging to this group as well as reading the many
books available. I would appreciate any guidance as to what books
would be most suitable. A gentle introduction after many years of
isolation.

Regards,
Gary

PS. I am a poet and admirer of Leonard Cohen


*******Welcome to the group, Gary. I am an astrologer here at the Cayce HQ in Virginia Beach, soon to be going to Steiner's HQ in Switzerland (the Goetheanum) for some more study of anthroposophy with an emphasis on the arts. Perhaps some of our other members could introduce themselves.

   Steiner's basic books are Theosophy, Knowledge of the Higher Worlds, Cosmic Memory, Christianity As Mystical Fact and Occult Science: An Outline....all of which can be read online or downloaded and printed at the Steiner e-Library HERE:

http://www.rsarchive.org/Holdings/books.php

  And by the way, Steiner said our modern age began with the intervention of the Archangel Micha-El in human history in the form of a figure who fascinated Cohen, Joan of Arc.


-Dr. Starman
www.DrStarman.com

Gary, it's great to have you with us and I'll wholeheartedly second Dr. Starman's recommendations. I live in California, USA now after growing up in New Orleans, Louisiana, USA--my career has always been in the  medical field but it was and is through Steiner that I've gained some insight and enormous appreciation into what I once thought I knew, and especially into truths I had never before even considered. There are so many wonderful souls on the Steiner list from whom I've learned tremendously, and it is good to know another friend is among us.

It seems to me Steiner spoke of poetry as being the most spiritual of the arts, even more so than music. I have no such talents as your's but I can deeply appreciate such beauty regardless.

Blessings,

Sheila




#3425 From: "sarah" <sarahwh@...>
Date: Thu Sep 8, 2005 12:49 pm
Subject: Re: The Iron Rod Thank God
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Hi Sue,
The book was How to Know Higher Worlds. I have also done the Foundations course plus I have read Freiling's Christianity and Islam - and excellent book. I have also read Wisdom of Fairy Tales, an Introduction to Anthroposphy by R Wilkinson and all the Waldorf parenting books. I have the Gospel of Luke waiting on the bookshelf.
 
You are right; Individualism IS anthroposophical! In fact, almost every facet of social, emotional, physical, spiritual and political life has been covered by Steiner. I can never remember if I am talking about something anthroposophical or not. The information just goes into my grey matter and gets regurgitated if sparked by something I read or hear, but I rarely remember where the info originates! :-)
 
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#3426 From: Hithcalen <hithcalen@...>
Date: Thu Sep 8, 2005 3:53 pm
Subject: Re: Starman Astrosophy
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Hi dear doctor,
 
I studied astrology too, for 10 years, and I've eard about an astrosophy school in the US.
Could you tell me more about this new discipline ?
 
Maltamir

 

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#3427 From: Sue <aquariusrises2001@...>
Date: Fri Sep 9, 2005 3:05 am
Subject: Re: praylaya?
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Dear Shelia,

How beautiful is the heart in your picture ... the saviour sun ... shining it's
light into the
coldness of the world. ... thank you for sharing this. For this, I will share
one back ... it too
has a wintery theme, but a reflective moon instead.

Hi Sarah ... It seems to me you have covered the basics with your reading and so
the
journey has begun  ...  as time passes, you will remember. It's difficult to
keep order in your
head when your priority is small children. I know, I have had 5. I am STILL
their mother .. and
STILL in demand, even though the youngest is 19 and the oldest is 35. Children
give
us the greatest gift of all, if we accept it .. knowing thyself! Very
challenging.

I also wanted to welcome Gary from Liverpool, although I am only a newbie
myself.  Hi..

Peace and love ...

Sue.



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#3428 From: LilOleMissy <lilolemissy@...>
Date: Fri Sep 9, 2005 4:36 am
Subject: Re: praylaya?
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Oh, MY!  Sue, your Barkermoon IS art! WOW!!!! I LOVE IT! You've achieved a deeply Anthroposophically true art - real art, too - I admire this so very greatly. Is this in pastel, pencil - what? Everything about it says very loudly, "Anthroposopohia"! I treasure this and am very grateful to you. Thank you, Sue - you are a true artist indeed.

Blessings,

Sheila

Sue wrote:
Dear Shelia,
How beautiful is the heart in your picture ... the saviour sun ... shining it's light into the coldness of the world. ... thank you for sharing this. For this, I will share one back ... it too has a wintery theme, but a reflective moon instead.
Hi Sarah ... It seems to me you have covered the basics with your reading and so the journey has begun ... as time passes, you will remember. It's difficult to keep order in your
head when your priority is small children. I know, I have had 5. I am STILL their mother .. and
STILL in demand, even though the youngest is 19 and the oldest is 35. Children give us the greatest gift of all, if we accept it .. knowing thyself! Very challenging.
I also wanted to welcome Gary from Liverpool, although I am only a newbie myself. Hi..
Peace and love ...
Sue.
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#3429 From: "sarah" <sarahwh@...>
Date: Fri Sep 9, 2005 8:42 am
Subject: completely OT
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OK you intelligent people on this list, this may or may not have something to do with anthroposophy (it would be great if someone connected it to Steiner's teachings!), but I want to put to you a question that my 5 year old son asked and I am looking for a way to answer him at his level. He asked; "If noone sees or finds out, and it doesn't harm anyone, then it's ok to do bad things, isn't it?"
 
It's perfectly logical! But it's not right. How can something be illogical yet right?
 
I look forward to your answers.  
 
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#3430 From: Sue <aquariusrises2001@...>
Date: Fri Sep 9, 2005 9:13 am
Subject: Re: completely OT
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Dear Sarah,

At the risk of seeming like a response hog ... I would hope others
have thoughts too .. but at this age (5) ..reasoning with the intellect
is impossible and so because the young child lives in pictures,
fairy tales are a great way of relating moral values to a small child.
I can't think of any particular one appropriate ..it's been awhile ...
but if you can't find one, you can make one up yourself. Relating
perhaps to an angel sitting on ones shoulder and always watching.
It's a lovely thought for a child to feel protected, even from himself.
I hope this helps ...

Peace and love  .... Sue.



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#3431 From: Sue <aquariusrises2001@...>
Date: Fri Sep 9, 2005 9:33 am
Subject: Re: praylaya?
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Dear Sheila,

Your words are very kind and I'm humbled by your response.
Thank you. The work is in pastel ..as I said .. I love working in pastels.
I have to admit, that even I was surprised by the result, when I consider
it took only 10 minutes to do. Mad fervour took over... ha!

There are things in this world which still mystify me ...wonder and awe ...
prerequisite for appreciating the beauty in life.

I would like to take this opportunity to ask Dr Starman the origins of the
Zodiac
sketches? Are they from the same time period as the 7 seals? For the 1st
Goetheanum? Also  ... do you know how to lay your hands on the 7/9 Training
Sketches? I have the handbook but no sketches!

With thanks ...

Peace and love .... Sue.



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#3432 From: "Natalie Park" <natalie123@...>
Date: Fri Sep 9, 2005 10:28 am
Subject: Re: completely OT
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One answer might be:
 
"Someone always sees."
"Who?"
"You."
"Oh."
"And it is harder to live with the bad things we do ourselves."
"Why?"
"Because we never forget."
 
 
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From: sarah
Date: 09/09/05 18:43:22
Subject: [steiner] completely OT
 

OK you intelligent people on this list, this may or may not have something to do with anthroposophy (it would be great if someone connected it to Steiner's teachings!), but I want to put to you a question that my 5 year old son asked and I am looking for a way to answer him at his level. He asked; "If noone sees or finds out, and it doesn't harm anyone, then it's ok to do bad things, isn't it?"
 
It's perfectly logical! But it's not right. How can something be illogical yet right?
 
I look forward to your answers.  
 
Sarah
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#3433 From: "sarah" <sarahwh@...>
Date: Fri Sep 9, 2005 2:03 pm
Subject: Re: completely OT
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Thanks Sue, that's a great suggestion. I have been reading The Little Troll to him. It's such a perfect story for young children! After I had read this story to him there was a long silence and he said; "I used to be a troll .... before I was born ... and then I was born a human ..." I asked him; 'what turned you human?', and he said; 'I did some good things'. LOL I guess it's a good start!
 
If you have any other story suggestions please send!
 
And thank you also, Natalie! I love the response and will try it next time! :-)
 
Sarah
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#3434 From: John Massengale <john@...>
Date: Fri Sep 9, 2005 2:08 pm
Subject: Re: Traditional architecture
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How do Anthropops feel about the first two posts here <http://massengale.typepad.com/venustas/>?


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