Dr Starman writes;
.....the'lifting free' of the economic life from the political and
cultural spheres previously restricting it was the concomitant
phenomena to the human Spirit first becoming truly free of the soul
about the 15th century, which is the reason for our modern
consciousness, starting with the Renaissance, Reformation & the free
market'....

Do you not recognise the misuse of freedom by the multi-national
corporations?
I notice that no-one on this site (at least within the past 2 or 3
months) has mentioned "threefolding" an idea started by Rudolf
Steiner in several books.
"Threefolding  GA 305 RSE 692
Threefolding the social order GA 305 RSE 840
The threefold order GA330 RSE 252

Freedom is a function of the cultural sphere, fraternity of the
economic sphere as equality is of the political or "rights" sphere.

Read Nicanor Perlas, an anthroposophist from the Philippines in his
support for "civil society" the 3rd "leg" to balance the economic
hegemony of the multi-nationals and the political power of the
nation states.
Visit
http://www.cadi.ph/nicanor_perlas.htm
to find out about him , and
http://www.fetchbook.info/search_Nicanor_Perlas/searchBy_Author.html
to see some of his book titles

Might we no be seeing in this century the
'lifting free' of the CULTURAL life from the political and ECONOMIC
spheres previously restricting it'

GA=Gesamtausgabe = collective works of Rudolf Steiner
RSE= Rudolf Steiner in English

It may be ironic that just as I had posted my last message I found
in the Group "Anthroposophy" a message which quoted an article by
Nicanor Perlas and also the following website:
http://www.freewebs.com/tcfactory/threefold/start.htm

Sorry, it shoould be "warm fount of love". I'll correct it:

> > In my head I feel warm fount of love,
> > In my heart I feeling raying light of thought,
> > Now the warm fount of love
> > Joins with the raying light of thought
> > So to make strong my hands
> > For the good work of man
> > I feel me.

> There is a misprint in the third line, but is the final
> word "thought" -or "love"?

----- Original Message -----

From: Derek

To: steiner@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 9:23 AM

Subject: [steiner] Threefolding

It may be ironic that just as I had posted my last message I found
in the Group "Anthroposophy" a message which quoted an article by
Nicanor Perlas and also the following website:
http://www.freewebs.com/tcfactory/threefold/start.htm

----- Original Message -----

From: Derek

To: steiner@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:23 PM

Subject: [steiner] Threefolding

It may be ironic that just as I had posted my last message I found
in the Group "Anthroposophy" a message which quoted an article by
Nicanor Perlas and also the following website:
http://www.freewebs.com/tcfactory/threefold/start.htm




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"Nicanor Perlas"

 

Isn't he working with Jesaiah Ben-Aharon?

 

rick distasi 

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To: steiner@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:23 PM

Subject: [steiner] Threefolding

It may be ironic that just as I had posted my last message I found
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I don't think I belong to this group.
We have a different agenda.
I now resign

Branch meeting is from 7-9 PM at City of Lakes Waldorf School.  If
you are in Foundation Studies, you must know Sheryl G., she has my
contact info if you need more details.  Perhaps I will see you
there.  :)
--- In steiner@yahoogroups.com, Cheeseandsalsa@a... wrote:
> I am in SW Mpls.  What branch meeting?  Because I was going to
start my own
> next week at Foundation Studies.  And I was thinking there has to
be meetings
> around here!!  Wow, looking forward to hearing from you. chantel

Hello,
Anyone here from the Sacramento Waldorf School?
Thank You

I assume you're still asking about Mpls branch meetings - they are
typically the first Wednesday of the month, once a month, at the same
location/time City of Lakes Waldorf, 7-9 PM. The rest of the board
probably isn't all that interested in Mpls branch meetings though, so
again we should probably continue this conversation off the board
here.  :)


--- In steiner@yahoogroups.com, Cheeseandsalsa@a... wrote:
> What day of the week or month and how many in a month/week?  c

Dear Friends,

It seems to me Steiner mentioned lunar as well as solar eclipses, and
unless I'm mistaken, I seem to recall his words that during a solar
eclipse, badkward elemental beings are far more active and visible to
those who are able to see Spiritually, but I could be in error on this
latter point.

Cheers!

Sheila

----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Lunar Eclipse


NASA Science News for November 4, 2003

On Saturday, Nov. 8th, the full moon will glide through our planet's
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Dr. Ulness got back to me with a reference on the Mammon question.
The following is from his e-mail to me:

'Steiner told his audience in Düsseldorf on April 19, 1909, "It was
necessary, 800 years before our era, to send the hindering forces
into earthly evolution to prepare, from a certain aspect, for the
Mystery of Golgotha.  The hosts of a leader, known in occult circles
as Mammon, were unleashed for this purpose.  They increasingly
darkened human awareness of the divine."'


So it seems that this spirit is mentioned by Steiner.  How
their "preparing" works into human development, I need to think
about.  Easy to see the detrimental effects now that the pendulum has
swung to an excess of these forces, but harder to see why we needed
them in the first place - on top of the Ahrimanic forces, I mean.
I'm wondering if there is a subtle difference in their effects, or if
Mammon is another name for Ahriman?

----- Original Message -----

From: Joel

To: steiner@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 4:23 AM

Subject: [steiner] Mammon

Dr. Ulness got back to me with a reference on the Mammon question.  
The following is from his e-mail to me:

'Steiner told his audience in Düsseldorf on April 19, 1909, "It was
necessary, 800 years before our era, to send the hindering forces
into earthly evolution to prepare, from a certain aspect, for the
Mystery of Golgotha.  The hosts of a leader, known in occult circles
as Mammon, were unleashed for this purpose.  They increasingly
darkened human awareness of the divine."'


So it seems that this spirit is mentioned by Steiner.  How
their "preparing" works into human development, I need to think
about.  Easy to see the detrimental effects now that the pendulum has
swung to an excess of these forces, but harder to see why we needed
them in the first place - on top of the Ahrimanic forces, I mean. 
I'm wondering if there is a subtle difference in their effects, or if
Mammon is another name for Ahriman?

If you find it, maybe you could post it to the common file
section?  :)  I haven't read this one either.

--- In steiner@yahoogroups.com, "lilolemissy" <lilolemissy@s...>
wrote:
> Joel, thank you for this - I'll see if I might have this lecture to
get the "whole picture," so to say.
> Cheers!
> Sheila
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Joel
>   To: steiner@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 4:23 AM
>   Subject: [steiner] Mammon
>
>
>   Dr. Ulness got back to me with a reference on the Mammon
question.
>   The following is from his e-mail to me:
>
>   'Steiner told his audience in Düsseldorf on April 19, 1909, "It
was
>   necessary, 800 years before our era, to send the hindering forces
>   into earthly evolution to prepare, from a certain aspect, for the
>   Mystery of Golgotha.  The hosts of a leader, known in occult
circles
>   as Mammon, were unleashed for this purpose.  They increasingly
>   darkened human awareness of the divine."'
>
>
>   So it seems that this spirit is mentioned by Steiner.  How
>   their "preparing" works into human development, I need to think
>   about.  Easy to see the detrimental effects now that the pendulum
has
>   swung to an excess of these forces, but harder to see why we
needed
>   them in the first place - on top of the Ahrimanic forces, I
mean.
>   I'm wondering if there is a subtle difference in their effects,
or if
>   Mammon is another name for Ahriman?

That would be a great idea to pick a sign of the zodiac each month to concentrate on.  Anthroposophy is so wide and varied that I think enough people would be interested in this part of it.  It would be the basis of further knowledge reguarding the astrological components.  I haven't had much time to be on the list so far but am very happy and excited about it.  Namdaste, Chantel

Dr. Starman writes:
******Well, the dates of the Sun coming under the influence of each sign were also given out by Steiner as a little different than what either Tropical astrology or sidereal astrology (or astronomy) usually says. So the influence of Scorpio, he says, starts Nov. 10th, in a few days.
   His explanation of the 12 images is that they each represent a Cosmic Age. He starts with the Fish. I have the verbal indications he gave to the artist in German along with the sketches and have been translating them a bit at a time. Here, for instance, is the sketch Steiner made for the Virgin and the finished picture by the artist:





    They were placed in each month in the original Soul-Calendar so that we would meditate on the zodiac image throughout that month. Small images of the 12 would be placed each day next to the notation of where the Moon was on that night, as can be seen in this page from the original book:



    I'll post a bit more about them and perhaps we can find ways to work with them more.

-Starman
http://www.DrStarman.net

Dr. Starman, Cheeseandsalsa and All,

 

This is an aspect of anthroposophy I have little if any understanding of, having concentrated more on The Christ than any other realm in AP. But the more I've been able to grasp some understanding of The Christ, the more important I see astrology, in Steiner's meaning of the science, to be. I wonder how long the influence of Scorpio lasts - that is, is it predominate for 30 days as in superficial astrology, etc. All such nuances, etc. are unknowns to me, and it seems references to the Truth are essentially relegated to concepts I'm unable to comprehend, but the more I seem to be able to realize about anything to do with AP, the less I actually know.

Cheers,

Sheila

 

 

Neeners...whats your mailing address now?

Love

Your Faaaather








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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joel" <afc@...>
To: <steiner@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 8:44 AM
Subject: [steiner] Re: Mammon


If you find it, maybe you could post it to the common file
section?  :)  I haven't read this one either.

--- In steiner@yahoogroups.com, "lilolemissy" <lilolemissy@s...>
wrote:
> Joel, thank you for this - I'll see if I might have this lecture to
get the "whole picture," so to say.
> Cheers!
> Sheila
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Joel
>   To: steiner@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 4:23 AM
>   Subject: [steiner] Mammon
>
>
>   Dr. Ulness got back to me with a reference on the Mammon
question.
>   The following is from his e-mail to me:
>
>   'Steiner told his audience in Düsseldorf on April 19, 1909, "It
was
>   necessary, 800 years before our era, to send the hindering forces
>   into earthly evolution to prepare, from a certain aspect, for the
>   Mystery of Golgotha.  The hosts of a leader, known in occult
circles
>   as Mammon, were unleashed for this purpose.  They increasingly
>   darkened human awareness of the divine."'
>
>
>   So it seems that this spirit is mentioned by Steiner.  How
>   their "preparing" works into human development, I need to think
>   about.  Easy to see the detrimental effects now that the pendulum
has
>   swung to an excess of these forces, but harder to see why we
needed
>   them in the first place - on top of the Ahrimanic forces, I
mean.
>   I'm wondering if there is a subtle difference in their effects,
or if
>   Mammon is another name for Ahriman?



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Joel wrote:

If you find it, maybe you could post it to the common file
section?  :)  I haven't read this one either. 

--- In steiner@yahoogroups.com, "lilolemissy" <lilolemissy@s...>
wrote:
> Joel, thank you for this - I'll see if I might have this lecture to
get the "whole picture," so to say.
> Cheers!
> Sheila
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Joel
>   To: steiner@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 4:23 AM
>   Subject: [steiner] Mammon
>
>
>   Dr. Ulness got back to me with a reference on the Mammon
question.  
>   The following is from his e-mail to me:
>
>   'Steiner told his audience in Düsseldorf on April 19, 1909, "It
was
>   necessary, 800 years before our era, to send the hindering forces
>   into earthly evolution to prepare, from a certain aspect, for the
>   Mystery of Golgotha.  The hosts of a leader, known in occult
circles
>   as Mammon, were unleashed for this purpose.  They increasingly
>   darkened human awareness of the divine."'
>
>
>   So it seems that this spirit is mentioned by Steiner.  How
>   their "preparing" works into human development, I need to think
>   about.  Easy to see the detrimental effects now that the pendulum
has
>   swung to an excess of these forces, but harder to see why we
needed
>   them in the first place - on top of the Ahrimanic forces, I
mean. 
>   I'm wondering if there is a subtle difference in their effects,
or if
>   Mammon is another name for Ahriman?

Excellent, thanks Sheila!

--- In steiner@yahoogroups.com, "lilolemissy" <lilolemissy@s...>
wrote:
> Joel, All,
>
> I found a reference to a lecture given in Dusseldorf April 19, 1909
on the e-lib site in their list of lectures given. There is no GA
number but an E (indicating Esoteric School), and no other
information is given.
>
> Sheila
>   Joel wrote:
>
>   If you find it, maybe you could post it to the common file
>   section?  :)  I haven't read this one either.
>
>   --- In steiner@yahoogroups.com, "lilolemissy" <lilolemissy@s...>
>   wrote:
>   > Joel, thank you for this - I'll see if I might have this
lecture to
>   get the "whole picture," so to say.
>   > Cheers!
>   > Sheila
>   >   ----- Original Message -----
>   >   From: Joel
>   >   To: steiner@yahoogroups.com
>   >   Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 4:23 AM
>   >   Subject: [steiner] Mammon
>   >
>   >
>   >   Dr. Ulness got back to me with a reference on the Mammon
>   question.
>   >   The following is from his e-mail to me:
>   >
>   >   'Steiner told his audience in Düsseldorf on April 19,
1909, "It
>   was
>   >   necessary, 800 years before our era, to send the hindering
forces
>   >   into earthly evolution to prepare, from a certain aspect, for
the
>   >   Mystery of Golgotha.  The hosts of a leader, known in occult
>   circles
>   >   as Mammon, were unleashed for this purpose.  They
increasingly
>   >   darkened human awareness of the divine."'
>   >
>   >
>   >   So it seems that this spirit is mentioned by Steiner.  How
>   >   their "preparing" works into human development, I need to
think
>   >   about.  Easy to see the detrimental effects now that the
pendulum
>   has
>   >   swung to an excess of these forces, but harder to see why we
>   needed
>   >   them in the first place - on top of the Ahrimanic forces, I
>   mean.
>   >   I'm wondering if there is a subtle difference in their
effects,
>   or if
>   >   Mammon is another name for Ahriman?

Drat - they don't actually carry the lecture.  If anyone knows of a
place to get ahold of it in the U.S., please let us know.

--- In steiner@yahoogroups.com, "Joel" <afc@h...> wrote:
> Excellent, thanks Sheila!
>
> --- In steiner@yahoogroups.com, "lilolemissy" <lilolemissy@s...>
> wrote:
> > Joel, All,
> >
> > I found a reference to a lecture given in Dusseldorf April 19,
1909
> on the e-lib site in their list of lectures given. There is no GA
> number but an E (indicating Esoteric School), and no other
> information is given.
> >
> > Sheila
> >   Joel wrote:
> >
> >   If you find it, maybe you could post it to the common file
> >   section?  :)  I haven't read this one either.
> >
> >   --- In steiner@yahoogroups.com, "lilolemissy"
<lilolemissy@s...>
> >   wrote:
> >   > Joel, thank you for this - I'll see if I might have this
> lecture to
> >   get the "whole picture," so to say.
> >   > Cheers!
> >   > Sheila
> >   >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   >   From: Joel
> >   >   To: steiner@yahoogroups.com
> >   >   Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 4:23 AM
> >   >   Subject: [steiner] Mammon
> >   >
> >   >
> >   >   Dr. Ulness got back to me with a reference on the Mammon
> >   question.
> >   >   The following is from his e-mail to me:
> >   >
> >   >   'Steiner told his audience in Düsseldorf on April 19,
> 1909, "It
> >   was
> >   >   necessary, 800 years before our era, to send the hindering
> forces
> >   >   into earthly evolution to prepare, from a certain aspect,
for
> the
> >   >   Mystery of Golgotha.  The hosts of a leader, known in
occult
> >   circles
> >   >   as Mammon, were unleashed for this purpose.  They
> increasingly
> >   >   darkened human awareness of the divine."'
> >   >
> >   >
> >   >   So it seems that this spirit is mentioned by Steiner.  How
> >   >   their "preparing" works into human development, I need to
> think
> >   >   about.  Easy to see the detrimental effects now that the
> pendulum
> >   has
> >   >   swung to an excess of these forces, but harder to see why
we
> >   needed
> >   >   them in the first place - on top of the Ahrimanic forces, I
> >   mean.
> >   >   I'm wondering if there is a subtle difference in their
> effects,
> >   or if
> >   >   Mammon is another name for Ahriman?

Coming this weekend to a planet near you.

http://www.astrosite.com/

"The hexagonal outer frame of the of the chart is called a Grand
Sextile.  However, this pattern, in the compatible, feminine Earth
and Water signs, is very rare, and this one is especially unique,
since its widest orb is just some five and a half degrees (for the
Sun and Moon) among all the planets, and it includes a total lunar
eclipse.

Briefly, the Grand Sextile pattern in astrology signifies the mutual
and unobstructed flow of energy between six planets through a
sequence of sextile (60°) aspects.2   Add to that, the flow of energy
that each of the six main planets in the configuration receives from
two other trining planets, and one may see that the path of that flow
between and among those six planets is wide open. This effect is only
enhanced by the aforementioned tight aspect orbs among the planets.
In essence, this energy flow creates a very powerful vortex, the
exact likes of which does not occur in the 6,000 year span between
3000 BC and 3000 CE that I have personally researched, and perhaps a
good deal longer.3

Aside from the phenomena of the Grand Sextile, the planetary energies
present at each of the pattern's six "stations" are very appropriate
to a moment that would carry the astrological signature of the
Ascension.  Consider the qualities of the planets as they are
represented through the metaphors of astrology:

      The Sun - the primal energy; the cause for being; masculine in
nature; the basic will and vitality that inspires life; our
creativity and conscious aim;that which expresses the best of who we
are,
      The Moon - the archetypical feminine; the mother; the personal
subconscious mind, memory and imagination the; tidal ebb and flow of
emotion; the avenues of habit and instinct; the shelter of home,
      Jupiter - the king of the gods; beneficence, good fortune and
expansion; the publication of ideals; the higher mind, wisdom and
enthusiasm; generosity, optimism and increase on all levels,
      Mars - the courage, desire, energy and willingness to act;  the
stimulation of passion; the ability to be the spiritual warrior,
      Saturn - the physical bones of the Earth and our bodies; the
disciplinarian and 'tester' of our metal;  the limitations of the
physical; endurance,  perseverance,  and stability, and finally,
      Chiron   - the crystal rainbow bridge between physicality and
spirit, the inner and outer planets; the wounded healer; Christ
consciousness; initiation; the interface between God and Godling.

Could anyone want a better group of complimentary traveling
companions for the voyage to the Ascended World?

The fact that a total lunar eclipse is part of the Grand Sextile
pattern adds to its significance immensely.  In at least one
viewpoint, an eclipse carries the implication of the beginning of
some important undertaking or the bringing to fruition of an issue
that had its conception at an earlier time.  This eclipse could just
so mark one of those milestone events on a global level.

While the eclipse is one of the defining elements in the chart, it is
only one of several factors that make it unique.  Remember, the chart
is not "place specific."  That is to say, that since the Grand
Sextile pattern arises from between planets only and does not rely on
any "moving" point of the chart, such as the Ascendant or MC (as was
the case with the Gaia Mind Day chart that was circulated for January
23, 1997), it is in effect, at the moment of the eclipse, at any
location on Earth."

Don't know about Chiron (not really a planet anyway) but the others
figure prominently into the previous/future Earth stages in
Anthroposophical teachings, yes?