Gentlemen, and ladies if any
I have just joined this group and am searching for information on a particular
steam vessel.
On the night of October 26, 1864 Lt.William Cushing, USN, sank the confederate
ironclad Albemarle with a picket boat and a spar torpedo. It is quite a famous
story and the History Channel produced a 90 minute documentary about the event.
http://livinghistoryweekend.com/history2.htmhttp://livinghistoryweekend.com/Launch.htmhttp://livinghistoryweekend.com/cushing.htmhttp://livinghistoryweekend.com/intro.htm
I design ship model kits for Model Expo. http://modelexpo-online.com/
We are considering producing a kit of Cushing's 30 foot steam launch. I have
found adequate information on the general design and configuration of the boat
itself but it is the steam engine that has escaped me. Perhaps someone in this
group might be familiar with steam engines of the period that might have found
their way into a 30 foot launch. Any info that will aid me in designing a model
of the engine will be greatly appreciated.
Bob Crane
Georgetown, TX
I am sorry to hear that. I found him to be a very gracious host at the Silver
Springs meet and a great guy to spend some time with.
Roger
--- In steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "alco040" <livesteam@...> wrote:
>
> I'm sorry to say but Harry Card passed away early this year. He will be missed
by all steam boat fans. Steve & Darlene
>
Thanks to all who responded about the boiler insulation / mounting.
Your comments are most appreciated and I'll very likely use your ideas.
As for Harry Card's sternwheeler, I bought that boat from Harry
several years ago.
Sadly, it developed dry rot and rather than rebuild it, I'm building
this new and larger boat.
However, I am going to transplant his engine and sternwheel assembly
into the new boat.
His boiler was in bad shape so I elected to build a new one which us
also larger, about 48 sq ft.
He had designed a water tube boiler but I had a new vertical fire
tube one built and it is finished.
I do plan to trailer the boat since I don't live on the water.
I'll keep you all posted as it comes together and will post pictures
when I shoot them.
Thanks again,
Jim Herron
Your boat reminds me a bit of Harry Card's sternwheeler that I saw in 2000. I don't know if he is still active, but have you talked with him. He was near Ocala.
Roger --- Insteamboats@yahoogroups.com, "FrdCDobbs" <HRvideo@...> wrote: > > Hi all- > > I'm in the process of building a 24 ft sternwheeler that will use a fiberglass Carolina Skiff hull modified for sternwheel use. The question I have regards mounting the boiler and protecting the hull from heat under the firebox. The boiler is a HFT, 24" diameter and about 48" tall. > We'll be burning wood and/or coal. The boiler is finished and waiting for installation. > > You'd probably be interested to know that we've altered the hull by cutting about 3 ft from the bottom at the back and replacing the transom with a straight transom. The cut in the bottom allows us to reconfigure the stern with an angle upwards toward the back for increased water flow to the stern wheel. > > Does anyone have a suggestion on insulating the hull from heat below the firebox/ash pan? > Also, any ideas on the best way to secure the boiler in a fiberglass hull? > > Thanks for any input. > > -Jim Herron > Tampa, FL >
Roger,
Hopefully the boiler has some kind of insulation under the firebox. I
have used "Fiberfrax", a ceramic insulating board designed for
refractory use in glass furnaces etc. If you do not have insulation
inside the boiler casing I do not recommend using this unprotected and
where it can get wet repeatedly. The boiler could be mounted with an
air gap and a sheet of aluminum (or two separated by an inch or so)
under the boiler. As for mounting, I have used good solid steel
brackets made of heavy angle welded to the pressure vessel. These are
attached to heavy oak stringers that are form fitted and glassed into
the hull. You did not mention if you will trailer this boat. Do not
under estimate the forces that will try and loosen the boiler while
rocking a wake or hitting a pothole. I made better brackets for the 28
ft. "SL Narragansett" after 1/2" lag bolts in the stringers began to
pull out. My boiler is a Roberts type 65 sq. ft. water tube about 30 X
40 X 48 and the boat is trailered. Hope this helps. Dick Vennerbeck
Los Gatos CA
rogerulsky wrote:
Your boat reminds me a bit of Harry Card's sternwheeler that I saw
in 2000. I don't know if he is still active, but have you talked with
him. He was near Ocala.
Roger
--- In steamboats@yahoogroups.com,
"FrdCDobbs" <HRvideo@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all-
>
> I'm in the process of building a 24 ft sternwheeler that will use
a fiberglass Carolina Skiff hull modified for sternwheel use. The
question I have regards mounting the boiler and protecting the hull
from heat under the firebox. The boiler is a HFT, 24" diameter and
about 48" tall.
> We'll be burning wood and/or coal. The boiler is finished and
waiting for installation.
>
> You'd probably be interested to know that we've altered the hull
by cutting about 3 ft from the bottom at the back and replacing the
transom with a straight transom. The cut in the bottom allows us to
reconfigure the stern with an angle upwards toward the back for
increased water flow to the stern wheel.
>
> Does anyone have a suggestion on insulating the hull from heat
below the firebox/ash pan?
> Also, any ideas on the best way to secure the boiler in a
fiberglass hull?
>
> Thanks for any input.
>
> -Jim Herron
> Tampa, FL
>
Acme Steam Dirigible Works Ltd.
Hobby Gas & Steam Enthusiast
Stanley Steam Cars, Steam Boats
Engines, Whistles,
Steam Engineering Library
www.kineticsteamworks.org
--
Your boat reminds me a bit of Harry Card's sternwheeler that I saw in 2000. I
don't know if he is still active, but have you talked with him. He was near
Ocala.
Roger
--- In steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "FrdCDobbs" <HRvideo@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all-
>
> I'm in the process of building a 24 ft sternwheeler that will use a fiberglass
Carolina Skiff hull modified for sternwheel use. The question I have regards
mounting the boiler and protecting the hull from heat under the firebox. The
boiler is a HFT, 24" diameter and about 48" tall.
> We'll be burning wood and/or coal. The boiler is finished and waiting for
installation.
>
> You'd probably be interested to know that we've altered the hull by cutting
about 3 ft from the bottom at the back and replacing the transom with a straight
transom. The cut in the bottom allows us to reconfigure the stern with an angle
upwards toward the back for increased water flow to the stern wheel.
>
> Does anyone have a suggestion on insulating the hull from heat below the
firebox/ash pan?
> Also, any ideas on the best way to secure the boiler in a fiberglass hull?
>
> Thanks for any input.
>
> -Jim Herron
> Tampa, FL
>
Sorry for using this group to ask about this, but I know some of the guys from
that group read here as well.
Trying to register on the new forum for DetroiTug and it keeps saying invalid
confirmation code on the registration screen. ??? Tried it about 20 times.
-Ron
Hi all-
I'm in the process of building a 24 ft sternwheeler that will use a fiberglass
Carolina Skiff hull modified for sternwheel use. The question I have regards
mounting the boiler and protecting the hull from heat under the firebox. The
boiler is a HFT, 24" diameter and about 48" tall.
We'll be burning wood and/or coal. The boiler is finished and waiting for
installation.
You'd probably be interested to know that we've altered the hull by cutting
about 3 ft from the bottom at the back and replacing the transom with a straight
transom. The cut in the bottom allows us to reconfigure the stern with an angle
upwards toward the back for increased water flow to the stern wheel.
Does anyone have a suggestion on insulating the hull from heat below the
firebox/ash pan?
Also, any ideas on the best way to secure the boiler in a fiberglass hull?
Thanks for any input.
-Jim Herron
Tampa, FL
any idea how to set up an auction on this item... ... maybe a makeshift email list with some guidelines... mike in New Hartford CT
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Marlene and David Witham <mcwdnw@...> wrote:
Might be several interested in bidding for this engine. David Witham, NH
On Oct 16, 2009, at 7:33 PM, jim wrote:
mike, a photo would help, front,side and back shots would be great what price are you looking for. e-mail me atjjtjr@.... I'm in NJ close to CT, What part of Ct are you in.
--- Insteamboats@yahoogroups.com, michael brower <braueb@...> wrote: >
> Jim, > > Not sure if this will go to all the group members, but the bore is 35mm x > 102 stoke x 255 flywheel... the weight is about 42 pounds. not sure what a > reversing linkage is, but i believe it does... although im an ME, i havent
> studied it at all, and i never got into steam energy after school... not > sure where it came from... > > Mike > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:32 PM, jim <jjtjr@...> wrote:
> > > > > > > mike, need to know the size,weight and bore and stroke. does it have > > reversing linkage, and about how old also where it is located. > > jim
> > > > > > --- Insteamboats@yahoogroups.com<steamboats%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "mbrauer23" <braueb@> wrote: > > > > > > anybody interested in a steam engine model ... im told it was for a small > > industrial shop where power was needed... i can send a photo if you contact
> > me directly... mike > > > > > > > > > >
Might be several interested in bidding for this engine. David Witham, NH
On Oct 16, 2009, at 7:33 PM, jim wrote:
mike, a photo would help, front,side and back shots would be great what price are you looking for. e-mail me atjjtjr@yahoo.com. I'm in NJ close to CT, What part of Ct are you in.
--- Insteamboats@yahoogroups.com, michael brower <braueb@...> wrote: > > Jim, > > Not sure if this will go to all the group members, but the bore is 35mm x > 102 stoke x 255 flywheel... the weight is about 42 pounds. not sure what a > reversing linkage is, but i believe it does... although im an ME, i havent > studied it at all, and i never got into steam energy after school... not > sure where it came from... > > Mike > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:32 PM, jim <jjtjr@...> wrote: > > > > > > > mike, need to know the size,weight and bore and stroke. does it have > > reversing linkage, and about how old also where it is located. > > jim > > > > > > --- Insteamboats@yahoogroups.com<steamboats%40yahoogroups.com>, > > "mbrauer23" <braueb@> wrote: > > > > > > anybody interested in a steam engine model ... im told it was for a small > > industrial shop where power was needed... i can send a photo if you contact > > me directly... mike > > > > > > > > > >
mike, a photo would help, front,side and back shots would be great what price
are you looking for. e-mail me at jjtjr@.... I'm in NJ close to CT, What
part of Ct are you in.
--- In steamboats@yahoogroups.com, michael brower <braueb@...> wrote:
>
> Jim,
>
> Not sure if this will go to all the group members, but the bore is 35mm x
> 102 stoke x 255 flywheel... the weight is about 42 pounds. not sure what a
> reversing linkage is, but i believe it does... although im an ME, i havent
> studied it at all, and i never got into steam energy after school... not
> sure where it came from...
>
> Mike
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:32 PM, jim <jjtjr@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > mike, need to know the size,weight and bore and stroke. does it have
> > reversing linkage, and about how old also where it is located.
> > jim
> >
> >
> > --- In steamboats@yahoogroups.com <steamboats%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "mbrauer23" <braueb@> wrote:
> > >
> > > anybody interested in a steam engine model ... im told it was for a small
> > industrial shop where power was needed... i can send a photo if you contact
> > me directly... mike
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
Not sure if this will go to all the group members, but the bore is 35mm x 102 stoke x 255 flywheel... the weight is about 42 pounds. not sure what a reversing linkage is, but i believe it does... although im an ME, i havent studied it at all, and i never got into steam energy after school... not sure where it came from...
Mike
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:32 PM, jim <jjtjr@...> wrote:
mike, need to know the size,weight and bore and stroke. does it have reversing linkage, and about how old also where it is located.
jim
--- In steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "mbrauer23" <braueb@...> wrote:
>
> anybody interested in a steam engine model ... im told it was for a small industrial shop where power was needed... i can send a photo if you contact me directly... mike
>
mike, need to know the size,weight and bore and stroke. does it have reversing linkage, and about how old also where it is located.
jim
--- In steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "mbrauer23" <braueb@...> wrote:
>
> anybody interested in a steam engine model ... im told it was for a small industrial shop where power was needed... i can send a photo if you contact me directly... mike
>
> anybody interested in a steam engine model ... im told it was for a small industrial shop where power was needed... i can send a photo if you contact me directly... mike >
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Subject: [steamboats] Re: F/S Tabletop Steam power device
Mike, I too would like to see a photo or two. Thank You, Dick Vennerbeck rvennerbeck@surfnetc.com
--- In steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "mbrauer23" <braueb@...> wrote: > > anybody interested in a steam engine model ... im told it was for a small industrial shop where power was needed... i can send a photo if you contact me directly... mike >
Mike,
I too would like to see a photo or two.
Thank You,
Dick Vennerbeck
rvennerbeck@...
--- In steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "mbrauer23" <braueb@...> wrote:
>
> anybody interested in a steam engine model ... im told it was for a small
industrial shop where power was needed... i can send a photo if you contact me
directly... mike
>
Mike, I would like to see a photo. You can send it to
jschoenly@.... Thanks!
Jared
On 10/15/09, michael brower <braueb@...> wrote:
> its small about 30-40 pounds... bore is about 30mm? im in CT... do you
> want a photo...
>
> mike
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:32 PM, jim <jjtjr@...> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> mike, need to know the size,weight and bore and stroke. does it have
>> reversing linkage, and about how old also where it is located.
>> jim
>>
>> --- In steamboats@yahoogroups.com <steamboats%40yahoogroups.com>,
>> "mbrauer23" <braueb@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > anybody interested in a steam engine model ... im told it was for a
>> > small
>> industrial shop where power was needed... i can send a photo if you
>> contact
>> me directly... mike
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
its small about 30-40 pounds... bore is about 30mm? im in CT... do you want a photo...
mike
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:32 PM, jim <jjtjr@...> wrote:
mike, need to know the size,weight and bore and stroke. does it have reversing linkage, and about how old also where it is located. jim
--- In steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "mbrauer23" <braueb@...> wrote: > > anybody interested in a steam engine model ... im told it was for a small industrial shop where power was needed... i can send a photo if you contact me directly... mike
>
mike, need to know the size,weight and bore and stroke. does it have reversing
linkage, and about how old also where it is located.
jim
--- In steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "mbrauer23" <braueb@...> wrote:
>
> anybody interested in a steam engine model ... im told it was for a small
industrial shop where power was needed... i can send a photo if you contact me
directly... mike
>
anybody interested in a steam engine model ... im told it was for a small
industrial shop where power was needed... i can send a photo if you contact me
directly... mike
Just added 5 more photos of our tugboat project. Finished building all new
boiler mounts and installed them. I have allready starting plumbing in the new
boiler. I will add some photos of the plumbing soon. Hope to have it under steam
in two weeks. Enjoy the photos, Steve & Darlene
Pulled the AJAX out from under cover today. Set the new water tube boiler down
in place. Posted 4 more photos of it in the AJAX album. It took a good bit of
moving around to get into the best position. I was going to mount it at a 45%
angle but it looked dumb and it made it hard to get around. Tried it with the
firebox door to the right but it looked all wrong also. So I installed it with
door towards the back. There are 6" high blocks under the front and back. This
gives more clearance for the fire door. The draft door almost opens all the way.
It bumps into the feed pump. I'm going to notch the bottom edge of it and this
should give me the clearance it needs. There is plenty of room to feed the
firebox, it just does not look like it in the photos. I'll also change the main
steam pipe feed so it is away from the door area all together. Next job is to
fabricate the boiler mounts. Hope you enjoy the photos, Steve & Darlene
There was a TV programme here in the UK last night, in a series called Monster Moves about the move of the riverboat President from St Louis to St Elmo, 90 miles east of the river, where she is going to become a hotel. She had to be totally dismantled and moved on trucks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TSVBIAMSwI shows a little bit of it
It included a short clip of the walking beam of Ticonderoga in action, and of her being moved, and a short clip of President in service
Hi All,
Visited the Charlton park Steam and Gas show over the weekend and took some pics
and wanted to share with the group. Great show, definitely worth the drive, lots
to see.
http://www.rogersmachine.net/steamshowcharlton09.html
-Ron
--- In steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@...> wrote: > > I am suitably impressed. Lovely! > > Those aren't galvanized fittings connected to copper without an isolation fitting are they??? ;-) > > Cliff. Johnston > "May the best you've ever seen, > Be the worst you'll ever see;" > from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mcandrew1894 > To: steamboats@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 9:37 PM > Subject: [steamboats] Done! > > > > > > Some photo's of my boats plant as conceived and completed...whew! > > Now to get her in the water. > > She's all registered ......and itching to go! > > Dave >
Cliff, if your talking about the water column, its copper with silver solder....hence the gray...
Dave
--- In steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "mcandrew1894" <David_Piper@...> wrote: > > > Hi CLiff, > > Nope, 300 pound black fittings or brass only. > > Dave > > > > --- In steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@> wrote: > > > > I am suitably impressed. Lovely! > > > > Those aren't galvanized fittings connected to copper without an isolation fitting are they??? ;-) > > > > Cliff. Johnston > > "May the best you've ever seen, > > Be the worst you'll ever see;" > > from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: mcandrew1894 > > To: steamboats@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 9:37 PM > > Subject: [steamboats] Done! > > > > > > > > > > > > Some photo's of my boats plant as conceived and completed...whew! > > > > Now to get her in the water. > > > > She's all registered ......and itching to go! > > > > Dave > > >
Cliff, if your talking about the water column, its copper with silver
solder....hence the gray...
Dave
--- In steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "mcandrew1894" <David_Piper@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hi CLiff,
>
> Nope, 300 pound black fittings or brass only.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> --- In steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@> wrote:
> >
> > I am suitably impressed. Lovely!
> >
> > Those aren't galvanized fittings connected to copper without an isolation
fitting are they??? ;-)
> >
> > Cliff. Johnston
> > "May the best you've ever seen,
> > Be the worst you'll ever see;"
> > from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: mcandrew1894
> > To: steamboats@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 9:37 PM
> > Subject: [steamboats] Done!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Some photo's of my boats plant as conceived and completed...whew!
> >
> > Now to get her in the water.
> >
> > She's all registered ......and itching to go!
> >
> > Dave
> >
>
Hi CLiff,
Nope, 300 pound black fittings or brass only.
Dave
--- In steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@...>
wrote:
>
> I am suitably impressed. Lovely!
>
> Those aren't galvanized fittings connected to copper without an isolation
fitting are they??? ;-)
>
> Cliff. Johnston
> "May the best you've ever seen,
> Be the worst you'll ever see;"
> from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: mcandrew1894
> To: steamboats@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 9:37 PM
> Subject: [steamboats] Done!
>
>
>
>
>
> Some photo's of my boats plant as conceived and completed...whew!
>
> Now to get her in the water.
>
> She's all registered ......and itching to go!
>
> Dave
>
Well....thats about the same size Timo, so there you have it 8-)
Dave
--- In steamboats@yahoogroups.com, andym <andym@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> I once ran a 12' steamer with a 2.5" single.
>
>
>
> Ran keel condenser with back pressure back into a hotwell.
>
>
>
> I calculated the air pump would draw 1/6 IHP versus the increased power from
an unlikely 25" vacuum would be 1/10 IHP.
>
>
>
> Boat ran fine as a back pressure plant.
>
>
>
> Andy
>