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From: Ron Beberniss [mailto:whistles@...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 10:25 PM
To: steam-whistles@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [steam-whistles] Re: Lunkenheimer Air whistles

Actually I don't have a clue. I am not much into blowing whistles
although I do it from time to time when I get the whistle trailer out
of the barn. I have never blown them. I can do the calculations and
see what the theoretical notes are if you like. rb ---


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wrote:
> what three notes might they play?
> Martin
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Ron Beberniss [mailto:whistles@h...]
>   Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 1:38 PM
>   To: Yahoo/ steam whistles
>   Subject: [steam-whistles] Lunkenheimer Air whistles
>
>
>   A somewhat unusual type of whistle manufactured by Lunkenheimer
were
> theire air whistles. They were fairly low pressure whistles
designed for air
> or  steam.  The description states they are designed for 3-20
psig.I have
> some advertizing litereature from Lunkenheimer that show them on
steam
> launches. Whether they were acutally air powered or run on steam I
don't
> know.  I suspect that they are pretty rare as this is the only one
that I
> have ever seen although the individual whistles are fairly common.
Note the
> price in the 1902 catalog.... $20.
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Actually I don't have a clue. I am not much into blowing whistles
although I do it from time to time when I get the whistle trailer out
of the barn. I have never blown them. I can do the calculations and
see what the theoretical notes are if you like. rb ---


In steam-whistles@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Gutzmer" <mrgutzmer@m...>
wrote:
> what three notes might they play?
> Martin
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Ron Beberniss [mailto:whistles@h...]
>   Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 1:38 PM
>   To: Yahoo/ steam whistles
>   Subject: [steam-whistles] Lunkenheimer Air whistles
>
>
>   A somewhat unusual type of whistle manufactured by Lunkenheimer
were
> theire air whistles. They were fairly low pressure whistles
designed for air
> or  steam.  The description states they are designed for 3-20
psig.I have
> some advertizing litereature from Lunkenheimer that show them on
steam
> launches. Whether they were acutally air powered or run on steam I
don't
> know.  I suspect that they are pretty rare as this is the only one
that I
> have ever seen although the individual whistles are fairly common.
Note the
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Beberniss [mailto:whistles@...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 1:38 PM
To: Yahoo/ steam whistles
Subject: [steam-whistles] Lunkenheimer Air whistles

A somewhat unusual type of whistle manufactured by Lunkenheimer were theire air whistles. They were fairly low pressure whistles designed for air or  steam.  The description states they are designed for 3-20 psig.I have some advertizing litereature from Lunkenheimer that show them on steam launches. Whether they were acutally air powered or run on steam I don't know.  I suspect that they are pretty rare as this is the only one that I have ever seen although the individual whistles are fairly common. Note the price in the 1902 catalog.... $20. 

I don't know why either. I can pull them up under the photos section
on the  group menu and also have been getting them via email. Can you
get to them in the "photos" section?? rb


  --- In steam-whistles@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew S." <matts765@y...>
wrote:
> Ron I just want to let you know that these photos aren't viewable
from the "groups index" only via email. Im not sure why, either?
>
>
> Ron Beberniss <whistles@h...> wrote:
> A somewhat unusual type of whistle manufactured by Lunkenheimer
were theire air whistles. They were fairly low pressure whistles
designed for air or  steam.  The description states they are designed
for 3-20 psig.I have some advertizing litereature from Lunkenheimer
that show them on steam launches. Whether they were acutally air
powered or run on steam I don't know.  I suspect that they are pretty
rare as this is the only one that I have ever seen although the
individual whistles are fairly common. Note the price in the 1902
catalog.... $20.
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A somewhat unusual type of whistle manufactured by Lunkenheimer were theire air whistles. They were fairly low pressure whistles designed for air or  steam.  The description states they are designed for 3-20 psig.I have some advertizing litereature from Lunkenheimer that show them on steam launches. Whether they were acutally air powered or run on steam I don't know.  I suspect that they are pretty rare as this is the only one that I have ever seen although the individual whistles are fairly common. Note the price in the 1902 catalog.... $20. 

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How well does this boiler do with blowing whistles...give us some
specs!
It looks pretty big.
Matt



--- In steam-whistles@yahoogroups.com, "matt" <shay29772003@y...>
wrote:
>
> --- In steam-whistles@yahoogroups.com, "matts765" <matts765@y...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Are there any whistle blows planned this winter?
> >
> > I know of one here in West Virginia, using air, on New Years Eve.
> >
> > Other than that, I haven't
>
heard

>

>  I have a small boiler that a blow my whistles on but i just moved
to
> Tulsa OK but it is on a trailor so I could travel a small distance
> say 2-300 mi if i can get off work.  Matt Ritchie 918-828-5678

I have just uploaded 5 or 6 images of some of my favorite whistles.
These are whistles off old horse drawn steam pumper fire engines.
Most are nickel plated. Some are chime but most are plain bell
whistles varying from 2"-3". Most did not show up in any catalogs as
there were fairly small runs made by the manufacturers. Ron

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--- In steam-whistles@yahoogroups.com, "matts765" <matts765@y...>
wrote:
>
> Are there any whistle blows planned this winter?
>
> I know of one here in West Virginia, using air, on New Years Eve.
>
> Other than that, I haven't
heard

  I have a small boiler that a blow my whistles on but i just moved to
Tulsa OK but it is on a trailor so I could travel a small distance
say 2-300 mi if i can get off work.  Matt Ritchie 918-828-5678

----- Original Message -----

From: workhorse422

To: steam-whistles@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 5:29 PM

Subject: [steam-whistles] Re: Interest in this site

been enjoying all the chat on whistles. didn't relize there were that
many out there.  I have found and collected five since i started
looking four or five years ago. i know nothing about them, except they
sound good under about 90psi steam pressure. i have a 1915 case steam
engine to supply the pressure. if any one is intresred go to
farmerlink.com  and click on the steam engine for a demonastration. we
run it in the forth of july prade here in crawford ne every year,
making as much noise as possible. 

I have just uploaded 5 or 6 images of some of my favorite whistles.
These are whistles off old horse drawn steam pumper fire engines.
Most are nickel plated. Some are chime but most are plain bell
whistles varying from 2"-3". Most did not show up in any catalogs as
there were fairly small runs made by the manufacturers. Ron

been enjoying all the chat on whistles. didn't relize there were that
many out there.  I have found and collected five since i started
looking four or five years ago. i know nothing about them, except they
sound good under about 90psi steam pressure. i have a 1915 case steam
engine to supply the pressure. if any one is intresred go to
farmerlink.com  and click on the steam engine for a demonastration. we
run it in the forth of july prade here in crawford ne every year,
making as much noise as possible.

I would lie to do whatever I can to get this site rolling. I tried for a year to get the "Horn and Whistle" site " focused on steam whistles but it has been taken over almost completely by horn enthusiasts. I would post stuff for discussion and post images of things that I thought were interesting but got absolutely no response. It seems that people that were interested in whistles got tired, bored or whatever and went home or dropped off the list.

 

I get  a lot of email directed to me from my web site. Most of it is from people that have dad's old whistle or want to identify a whistle  of find out what it's worth. And I get a lot of inquiries about people wanting to build whistles. My focus is whistle hunting and finding them in their natural habitat and whistle history..identifying old whistles. . I am interested in the history of these relics of a bygone era. People say there are no more whistles out there to be found and I say they don't know what they are talking about. I have taken down close to 200 whistles off buildings factories saw mills, etc. over the last 10 years.  I have a hundred ort so original catalogs of whistles and probably a thousand pages of photo copies of old catalogs are invaluable to identify and  date old whistles. If any of you have any particular interests throw them out and lets talk about them.

 

I don't want everyone to think that I am monopolizing this site but I am going to attempt to post things with some regularity  to get some interest generated. If we can get some discussions going perhaps we can get some whistle folks over here from the Horn and Whistle site and develop an interesting forum as the Horn people have done to the Horn and Whistle group. rb

 

Ron Beberniss
121 North Wisconsin Ave.
League City, Texas 77573

 

Ph. (281) 338-4090
Cell (713) 254-2654

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: matts765

To: steam-whistles@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 5:31 AM

Subject: [steam-whistles] Whistle Blows

Are there any whistle blows planned this winter?

I know of one here in West Virginia, using air, on New Years Eve.

Other than that, I haven't heard

Are there any whistle blows planned this winter?

I know of one here in West Virginia, using air, on New Years Eve.

Other than that, I haven't heard

--- In steam-whistles@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Gutzmer"
<mrgutzmer@m...> wrote:
> Hi
> I am new to the list - and have been doing some readings about
> steamwhistles.
> A few questions have arisen.
> Do the air patterns split on the bell?
> How wide is the air gap below the bell?
> Is there a standard ratio -diameter to height ?
>
> How does one go about building a bell from stratch?
> I do have a metal lathe but need advice.
> Thanks,
> Martin
> ---
>  Yes, the flow of air or steam splits at the lip of the bell. The
bell shold ideally be concentric with the steam slot. Sometimes when
an old whistle shows up it will have been dropped or hit in its
lifetime bending the shaft slightly. This throws the concentricity
off and the whistle won't resonate very well particularly at low
pressures. For this purpose long bell whistles and extra long bell
whistles have a tendentcy to get out of shape and for this reason
some manufacturers of whistles built spreaders  "spiders" which were
devices located at the lower end on the shaft which had three or for
legs that centered the bell on the shaft maintaining
concentricity.Also whistles turn up that have been damaged or patched
up with parts of other whistles. Sometimes replacement  bells match
the steam slots and sometimes not. There was a wide variation in
thread sizes also. Some makers had their own particular odd ball
thread sizes. We don't know why except to discourage of interchanging
parts from other whistles. If a bell diameter was smaller or larger
thatn the steam slot it might not work at all depending on the size
of the  discrepancy. Most smaller whistles were made from brass
tubing and the tubing was the exact size as the steam slot.

  By the the air gap, I assume you mean the heigth of the bell above
the steam slot. This is an a variable that is determined by the steam
pressure. Most whistles will work at low pressures 30 psi or above.
But in order to get the whistle to resonate you have to adjust the
bell way down. I believe that there is a general rule of thumb,
however,  that this distance should be about 1/4 the diameter of the
whistle but this does not account for variable pressure. I believe
that this rule of thumb was probably applied to "normal" operating
steam  boiler pressures in the range of 125-250 psi. For lower
pressures, the bell has to move down. That's why most plain bell
whistles are adjustable, i.e. the bell screws up and down on the
shaft and then can be locked in place by the acorn . Most boiler
pressures did not fluctuate. So once a bell was tuned for the
operating pressure, that was it and it would likely stay that was for
its life. Chime whistles are a little different. There are two types
of chime whistles relative to construction. The first type is the
Einig patent type where there is a bell made of tubing that adjusts
up and down on a central casting containing the chime chambers  so
that the heigth of the bell lip is actually adjustable up and down
relative to the steam slot. The other type of chime bell is a solid
casting such that the chambers are actually cast into the bell and
the bell screws down onto the bowl and there is no adjustment. The
opening to each chamber is an arch. Different makers of whistles had
different shapes to there arches that identified their style of
whistle. Most were elictical arches. If effect ther were two points
on each  arch that would produce maximum resonance at a particular
pressure.  All of the other points on the arch were either high or
low for a particular pressure. They would contribute to the sound but
not as well as the resonate points. This was a comprimise but seems
to work out in practice as most chime whistles were solid castings.

As far as ratio's, what is considered a standard bell size is  2:1
ratio, i.e. the length of the bell is twice the bell diameter. In
addition there were long bell whistles 2.5-1 or 3:1, and then extra
long bell 4:1 or longer. Longer bells than 4:1 seem not to be very
prctical as they are unstable and produce a plethora of harmonics
which may not be the desired sound. Long bell and extra long bell
whistles were used in marine applications as their lower frequency
sound tends to propagate over water at long distances. Some
manufactures  (Harlin and McNab being the one that comes to mind)
produced whistles of less that 2:1 ratio. Most of their whistels were
short and "stubby" having bell dimensions like 3" x 5".

As far as building a bell from scratch, what type of material are you
using? I would suggest building the bowl and steam slot first as that
is the difficult and most precision part. After that is done you can
fine some tubing, pipe, or whatever to makes the bell once you know
the exact diameter of the steam slot. Along  with the bowl
connstruction you have to dicide how you are going to support the
bell. Most common was is a center post or stud that the whistle bell
screws down on but there are other ways to do it also. Everything is
contingent on what materials you are going to use and what your
machining  capabilities are.
Good luck. Ron

In my response about building whistles I misspelled my web address.
Duh!

It is www.whistleman.com

Ron

--- In steam-whistles@yahoogroups.com, "mrgutzmr" <mrgutzmer@m...>
wrote:
>
> how do you make a steam whistle?
> I note some pictures on the website of pvc ones.
> Any advice?
> Thanks,
> Martin

I get a lot of email about people wanting to build steam whistles. If
you are fortunate enough to have a lathe in you shop then you are way
ahead of most people who want to build a whistle. For that reason, I
usually advise people to start out with PVC. There are multiple
reasons for that. First of all it's cheap, readily available at any
hardware or plumbing store. There a almost an infinite number of
fitting of various sizes available . You don't have to solder or
braze anything together, everything can be glued and worked with hand
tools. . And if you screw it up or don't like the finished product,
you can throw it away and start over having wasted at most a few
dollars. Ther is virtually no difference in the sound of the finished
product of a PVC versus brass or steel as the sound is a function of
the dimensions of the whistle not the material of construction. The
only disadvantage is that PVC whistles don't do well on steam, but
that is a relative insignificant issue as most people don't have a
boiler anyway, they blow them on compressed air from their shop
compressor.

First of all, if ypou want to build a whistle keep it simple to start
out with. Build a plain bell whistle without a valve. You can find a
whistle valve without too much difficulty or buy on on ebay. Or you
could use a ball valve. Don't try to build a chime whistle or
anything very fancy.to start out.  Build a plain whistle and
experiment with the parameters and then you can branch off and build
a six cime step top on your second go-round. There are two basic
variables in a steam whistle. The most significant of these is the
dimensions of the bell. The frequency is basically a function of the
bell length. Most often the bell length is a function of the
diameter, usually a whole number multiple, i.e. if the bell is three
inches in diameter the bell is 6" long. A standard bell ratio is
typically 2:1, a long bell whistle is 3:1 and an extra long bell
(typically used in marine applications) is a 4:1 ratio. For small
plain bell whistles this is not a very critical issue. The other
significant variable is the steam slot. I am sure there are some
formulae for determing  this but in my experience trial and error
have worked best.One starts out with a very narrow steam slot and
then enlarges it progressively until a good laminar flow is achieved.
Please note that I have not alluded to the heigth of the bell above
the steam slot. This is not a significant variable as this is usually
determined by the operating pressure. The bell heigth adjustment does
not appreciably affect the resonating frequency of the whistls. This
dimension is related to the operating pressure. The bell is adjusted
up or down a plain bell whistle to achieve maximum resonance at a
particular operating pressure.

If you do have a lathe and a bunch of brass turning stock laying
around that you want to use, all the better.But keep in mind if it
doesn't sound good when it's finished if you started with PVC you can
drop it in the trash and not shed too many tears. For a cross section
of a whistle look atr my web site www.whitleman.com

  http://www.whistleman.com/html/how_whistles_work.html

Good luck! Ron

how do you make a steam whistle?
I note some pictures on the website of pvc ones.
Any advice?
Thanks,
Martin

Hello all I will be at the Mid-South Flywheelers meet sat may 29th at
Michigan City MS  i have a 15 hp boiler that will blow whistles up to
1 1/4" inlet it blowes smaller whistles good a big whistle primes
some  ps this boiler is for sale thanks Matt Ritchie 870-222-6167
McGehee AR

Hello, I'm Dicky Bourinot

    I have put a picture in your photo section of
    my Canadian National Railways 4 chime steam
    locomotive whistle.
    It has a deep mournfull wail to it...haunting!
    Former Edaville # 8 carried a simular whistle.

    Later I'll send pictures of my other whistles.
    How about a perfectly tuned Nathan 6 chime ?
    I'll send that in the future, plus many of
    my other whistles.

    I look forward to being a member.

      Sincerely
     DICKY  BOURINOT

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