Oh, well, at least we have fun. No personal insult intended. But my point was really that that you as an individual, given a reasonably definitive statement...
Bob Jueneman
BJUENEMAN@...
Jul 1, 1998 7:28 am
498
... Exactly. For example, eMoney gives a way to do eCommerce without any identity certs (well, perhaps a few for central banks). It also has the potential to...
Ben Laurie
ben@...
Jul 1, 1998 10:13 am
499
... eChickens are kinda rare 'round here parts. hows about a couple of eLlama's for that eDay of programming. how do we figure the exchange rate for that? i...
Alfarez
F.AbdulRahman@...
Jul 1, 1998 11:51 am
500
... Hi Bob. ... and of course, none intended on my side either. ... I would agree that that is the intention of such laws. I would also argue that this is...
Carl Ellison
cme@...
Jul 1, 1998 11:55 am
501
... [...] ... But I think that's the fundamental problem with most X.509-based systems envisioned today. Not everyone understands the rules. As a matter of ...
Camillo Särs
Camillo.Sars@...
Jul 1, 1998 11:56 am
502
The Subject: of this thread really has very little to do with its subject, but for the sake of continuity... ... For a British lawyers' professional body's...
Paul Leyland
pleyland@...
Jul 1, 1998 11:59 am
503
('twas 'bout time to change the subject...) ... Bob: Perhaps there was a slip in your text above, since there is absolutely no relationship between: (a) Bob's...
Ed Gerck
egerck@...
Jul 1, 1998 12:00 pm
504
David P Jablon
dpj@...
Jul 1, 1998 3:34 pm
505
... Paul, this is a wonderful paper. How was it received? I was especially fond of the paragraph: "Electronic commerce will develop most effectively, in our...
Carl Ellison
cme@...
Jul 1, 1998 4:28 pm
506
... Interesting, and reflective of some approaches being taking or espoused in the US. But for an opposing view, look at the German digital signature...
Bob Jueneman
BJUENEMAN@...
Jul 1, 1998 5:10 pm
507
Camillo, The more basic problem is probably that people don't understand the applications. We have a solution for which we are still seeking the problem. ...
Bob Jueneman
BJUENEMAN@...
Jul 1, 1998 5:11 pm
508
... What actually counts, Bob, is business practice. Businesses don't use third party liability guarantors in the way that the various PKI legislative efforts...
Perry E. Metzger
perry@...
Jul 1, 1998 6:04 pm
509
... Ah, you're breaking into the eChicken market. :-) ... I currently use the VeriSign certificates to make a binding between my meatspace trust in well...
Bill Frantz
frantz@...
Jul 1, 1998 6:19 pm
510
... I agree that's it about time to change, or perhaps drop, the subject, but I'll give it one more shot. ... I beg to differ. I think that it should be...
Bob Jueneman
BJUENEMAN@...
Jul 1, 1998 8:27 pm
511
... A $10 dollar certificate or a $500 dollar certificate from Verisign still have zero content regarding the subscriber's assets -- X.509 certificates bind...
Ed Gerck
egerck@...
Jul 1, 1998 10:01 pm
512
... Hash: SHA1 ... You know, I tried that once -- on a page I was about to buy something on -- and was told that the page belonged to some non-descript...
Carl Ellison
cme@...
Jul 1, 1998 10:58 pm
513
Because the next IETF meeting conflicts with CRYPTO '98 -- and hence poses a serious conflict for several crucial members of the working group -- we will not...
Steven M. Bellovin
smb@...
Jul 2, 1998 2:49 am
514
... That's an ambiguous question. I received it in a mail sent by Nicholas Bohm to UKcrypto. Somehow, I don't think that's what you meant 8-) The other...
Paul Leyland
pleyland@...
Jul 2, 1998 9:30 am
515
... To some extent I agree with you. However, I also take the view that it's more cost-effective to debug an implementation (in this case a law) before ...
Paul Leyland
pleyland@...
Jul 2, 1998 9:45 am
516
... I brought up SET once in this context, and I still thinks it warrants some thought. Now, you are right about what you might want to care about when doing...
Camillo Särs
Camillo.Sars@...
Jul 2, 1998 12:17 pm
517
Bob, ... [That's a new way of spelling my name. I've seen a few. :-)] ... Of course they do. And as I understand it, the US way of justice makes all the...
Camillo Särs
Camillo.Sars@...
Jul 2, 1998 12:49 pm
518
for another way of doing account-based financial transactions see X9.59 .... there is a mapping of X9.59 to credit-card (ISO 8583) flow at...
Lynn.Wheeler@...
Jul 2, 1998 3:23 pm
519
... As Nicholas commented today at mcg-talk: This contains a submission by The Law Society, the professional body representing solicitors in England & Wales,...
Ed Gerck
egerck@...
Jul 2, 1998 10:27 pm
520
Pardon me for kicking this dead horse, but... ... From: owner-spki@... [mailto:owner-spki@...] On Behalf Of Camillo Särs Sent: Thursday, July 02, 1998...
Todd S. Glassey
TSGman@...
Jul 5, 1998 10:24 pm
521
... When the software used to produce it comes with a warranty. I believe Carl's point to be that grandma can not be relied on to understand the technology....
Adam Shostack
adam@...
Jul 6, 1998 4:02 pm
522
... You rang???? Ah, personal digital bearer bonds, the bearer-settled (cheaper!) alternative to credit cards and other consumer debt. :-). Take a look at ...
Robert Hettinga
rah@...
Jul 6, 1998 5:15 pm
523
Kalman Saffran Associates Inc. (KSA) announces the availability of SONET/SDH technology licenses. Already the telecommunications standard, SONET/SDH has now...
Kalman.Saffran.Associ...
Jul 7, 1998 12:07 am
524
With respect, I submit that all too often, the better is the enemy of the good. We should not require absolute perfection as a precondition for using...
Bob Jueneman
BJUENEMAN@...
Jul 7, 1998 5:41 pm
525
... Indeed it is. But if we change the liability model that customers have to deal with, we should be careful to do so in such a way that is consensual, such...
Adam Shostack
adam@...
Jul 7, 1998 5:55 pm
526
... True, but you can count with negative numbers as well as positive ones. Legislators seldom have a deep understanding of either technical issues or of the...
