It was Vanity presiding when Man condemned God to die. It was Vanity
present and detaining when Man humiliated the One who loved him the
most. It was Vanity that had turned away and caused the Sun in its
greatest grief to expire its light into the bosom of its beloved.

  His voice then spoke.

  Vanity suppressed the tears and waited in silence.

  “Vanity, you are my greatest child - the naughtiest also - and yet you
are still growing. Though false pride is but an empty beginning, it is
still a beginning nonetheless. For within you as well, is a little of
me, and my unfinished work, - my love -  and my all too eager
impatience.

  Child of the Ego, you shall grow to maketh a strong and beauteous
bearer of soul. Know this: that one day you shall live joyously in your
true worth; and that the reality of self, is truly that of God made
manifest in you. Self-love shall be conceived as  the love of our dear
Father God; self-loving in proper consideration shall introduce you to
your spirits in kind and in destiny, who share in this divinity as so
come to being in you.

  Vanity, though mistaken and sore, pained and wretchedly ugly, trivial
and almost empty, beguiled and ever delusional ...
  I still love thee. You are an innocent and in need of the guidance that
I shall give. Remain with us here, and believe.

For not only have I now come to be with you ...

I AM here to stay.”

Yes, it was said that He had truly met with everything, and everybody
spoke well of Him. Little demons (those that were about) came into new
being - the very first to wave around and jiggle into dance when He was
about. Nought could be untouched by this happiness that had returned
into the earth.

  But then, there were those days not so spoken of ... weren’t there?
Days when He grew solemn and distant and the world had felt His Hurt.

  Obedient to his Master’s mind, he sought to lock into the understanding
offered. For this was Christ, and even Vanity could not entirely be
himself any more now having been so very closely touched by His paroch.

  “You see that star up there” the finger pointed and a radiant light
moved out from it, rapidly appearing and disappearing.

  “This star is not your star, you have long been affixed incorrectly.”
He pondered in silent conference, and then continued, “ The true Venus
that you seek is now the Sun”

  “Dignity!”
  “Solemnity!”
  “Divinity!”
  “Sovereignty!”

  Four columns of light (not quite as intense as a star voyager conveyer
beam) appeared with a prismic infusion. Out of which appeared four
figures - exquisite and gracious, the four assembled before the two.

  “These are your family dear one - do you not know them?”

  Vanity became awkward, sensing only an inner emptiness ... and, an
unbearable ugliness in contrast to the party intent upon him. He had no
reply to give. He felt nothing but a horrible self-pity.

  Christ in that moment had healed him of an ugliness which had cankered
his being ere it began. He had reunited him with his kind, and
temporarily censored his composure.

  The sadness returned ... “What was that about this God? What was my
part in it all?” He wondered within. Then Vanity knew.

  It had been his face Christ had looked into and called upon, just
moments before He had been punctured. Just before His Blood had soaked
forth. And that was when the sadness had come ... when the gaiety had
gone and the world all o’sudden went unbelievably cold. He remembered!

Helloo Mariel,
>I'm not so sure I like the idea of a Tinkerbell
>flitting about wapping folks over their heads with a
>wand. :-)

We're not up to the wand part.


>But Jesus called for them saying,"Permit the children
>to come to Me, and stop hindering them, for the kingdom
>of God belongs to such as these.

You've got it. Children really save the world.

'Spose you think I believe in the Easter Bunny too.

Blessings,
Bruce

Dear Ambrose,

>They
>are like software in the spiritual energies of the
>universe.

Well certainly in the sense they never become hardware.

>As their tasks are largely associated with facilitating and
>appreciating particular natural processes and harmonies, the
>disruptive activities of many humans must be highly
>irritating!

And corrupting.

> I'm thinking that "goblins" might just be
>"Fairy" class creatures that have been transferred from
>their proper environment to some place where their influence
>is disharmonious.

Yes they are those of evil intent; and some quite powerful
intelligences. Talking from mediums they can appear as just about
anything you want. I'll post some more from the Brothers on this later.

The beings who are as imported demons, who work as a virus, are of a
different order to the huge devic realm which is part of the larger
family of Man. I posted something about these aliens on the 18th and
19th of March. We need protection from these beings at this stage of our
development because their evolution has been completely different to
that of our own. So approach carefully!

Fairyology is a huge subject in itself without extending out into the
myriad of alien beings. (There is also the subject of the elementals we
create- we have a biblical quotation on this.)

Largely on the net, fairies are associated with the pagan religions, but
you just have to look at the Arthurian legends to get an idea how much
fairies were part of early Christian belief. (There are good and nasty
fairies in the Arthurian legends too.)

Warmest Regards,
Bruce

“Show yourself.”

  His commanding words addressed the figure plainly. Reticent and
cowering, the hooded trident moved forward.

  “Speak Master Vanity, and tell me of yourself”.

The creature beneath the cloak began to assume quite quickly something
of a lively confidence. It flourished its head, then with girlish
affectation, it giggled.

  Christ looked on, waiting patiently for some reply. His Presence had
enlivened the being and it was now most comfortably animated within its
own nature.

  Its eyes burnt inwards, it stroked its own hair, comfortable with the
grand attention it was soaking in, it then found the appropriate moment
to dramatically moan and sob.

  “I am ill-understood ... my beauty is so coveted ... I am painfully
envied and therefore disliked - alone in my abstract pleio.”

  “Does greatness have to be recompensed with a loneliness?” Christ
murmured, as if to himself; and then, as though startled into full
wakefulness he spoke with full accent upon this other:

  “I have seen what may come of you within this very future ... and there
is much to be done, if you are to remain within my World. Do you have
knowledge of that star from which your tender self resides? Will you
allow me to tell you of its holy and reliable instincts? Come closer and
I will show you - if you would have it, my friend.”

  With anyone else it would have argued (unto eternity); perhaps only for
attention’s sake and be so engaged with speak about itself - or for that
of the fact that it had no real consideration for much outside of its
mean comprehension.

  However, this was Christ. The Christ. Our Christ. And He had come.

  They said that He was received within the World, and yes, it had been
also so said, that He was fearless! When He had gone into the many wild
places of bush and wood, of river and sea, of hilltop and mountain, into
the etheric paradise and then penetrating the caverns of the astral
depths as well - throughout the many, many natures He had visited and
passed through, they had said in report afterward, that He had played.

  That He did not test His strength, but His Joy. With a caravan of muses
therein following, the mirth amongst each place thus visited was
complete! Happiness kissed the cheek of each and every face so smiled
upon. Glad again - for if ever there was a King within the World it was
this Sovereign!

To be continued..

Dear Bruce & Brothers,

Thankyou for your reply. And please do post more on
this as it is very helpful.
The creator or living being is All in All. ?

Quo Vadis,
Mariel
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Dear Mariel,
you write:

>Will there ever be peace? And if so at what price?

As it has been in the past so shall it be.

Back to your questions for the Brothers:


>Why then do children become ill?

I think this a good one. There are many factors personal karma being
one. Then there is the health of the parents and then particularly the
mother during pregnancy. Some of these points were in a recent message-
I'll look out for it.


>And some of these go so far as to avoid any kind of
>medical treatments whether homeopathic or orthodox
>etc,.. Resulting in the deaths of children and adults.

Generally speaking we are all "out of whack". We all need healing and
all true healing is through Christ- whatever the modality. We have to
cure the cure. So saying we shouldn't interfere is missing the point.

>And why do some, even some of the saints who have loved
>much become ill?

This was also part of the above message. The point was made that no-one
fits easily into the physical body- it is not totally compliant for
anybody at this point in time. I'll try and find this message.


All your questions are always welcome.

Agape,
Bruce

Dear Mariel,
Sorry that I haven't had time to read the digests until
tonight.
The most efficient primer I've found into the Cherokee way
of thought is a fairly new text.
"Medicine of the Cherokee The Way of Right Relationship" by
Garrett and Garrett -- a father and son team from the
Eastern Band.  Somewhere in my notes are two others
recommended to me by an acknowledged priest of the Western
Band, if I find them, I'll zing them on to you as well.
Your Servant,
Ambrose Hawk

There are those times, seemingly vacant, preceding the events designated
to become; and they are not empty as such, bereft of design and
configuration, they are as an expectant pause amassed with possibility,
yet given to the directives and impulses that are to be - are to be
manifest.

Every 'space' that awaits to be filled, every passage into place and
time awaiting projection, is, in actuality, living hope. These
'vacancies' are not indifferent, just as that and those which comprise
the spiritual Worlds are not indifferent; they are enlivened and
stimulated into further life by the very substances of Hope and Joy.

This is important to comprehend and re-instil back into the
consciousness - that all space, be it filled or empty, is imbued with a
joyful, hopeful permeation - it is Christ filled.

The bleak aspect of Golgotha is a most terrifying representation to the
spirit. When taken into account, Christ's Sacrifice does make all
opponents to Him tremble within, and thereby at least by that measure
alone they shall know obedience to Him. His immediate protesters are
creatures of Sin who live in wickedness as pronounced and vitalised in
Man. They are all pretenders to the throne - Malice, defying His Love;
Ridicule  and criticism bearing doubt and doubt's diseases; covetousness
and jealousy the jailers of the spirit; hatred and its conspicuous
enclave vanity which chooses self-righteousness over humility and
perpetual betterment; Lovelessness, desires self-empowerment firstly
before all else; Ugliness (in the spiritual reality) assuming beauty and
contesting true purity. Yes, Christ has opponents who actively contrive
against His ways, who are not as yet so dispositioned to accept His
reality in aspect that is needed.

The greater Universe is graceful and with all things contained
harmoniously - with the contrast of sin and all of its contradictions we
have the paradox of living Man. For in this Christ has made allowances
and provisions for His very foes - they are subject to Him for existence
also - so great and powerful is His Love and toleration that they be.

Sin may continue to live in Man and not harm him so long as there is
Christ there also. It is not so much the sin that shall devour his soul
but that the man would weaken and disseminate without his Christ's
infilling. It is not enough to be sinless were that one was Christless
as well.

Karma, for the main part takes care of the Sin - particularly the
congested or overly pronounced disvirtues - and, accordingly, the
holiest of men carries sin within as part of his uncompromising
makeover - it shall travel with him and manifest in lesser and differing
ways, but shall nonetheless be that part of his humanhood to remain.

Before the crucifixion of our Beloved, the inner sun within Men was
eclipsed by the falsehoods so compelling to the soul that Man was in
danger of losing his very pulse linking him with Christ. Incarnation
would have ceased. Love would not be known. Even today men are so
disheartened as to the wondrous realities of life.

The perilous death in Christlessness presents itself every year at
Eastertide. Once more we are tenuously offered a free decision - just
as, after completing an episode of a lifetime we are so given the choice
as well - and deep within our spirit's nuances we may embrace Christ or
turn from Him. We may withstand the overwhelming Love or suffer the
pains of our own lovelessness.

We have been forgiven of our wretchedness, even though there is that
within our brother and ourselves besides that would otherwise become
intolerable; it is suffered within Christ and made good - we are loved
completely - in this issue, in this moment, in all that we are and are
to become, we are loved.

All pressures in twain, in bud and shoot, in mind and dialogue, with
here and now, in virtue and its pretenders - there are stresses of
nuclear proportion, all brought to peace by the presence of Christ. We
may slip in and out of time during prayer, we may cherish our
meditations and give thanks for all of the knowing.



The more like Him that I become
the more He shall reveal to me
that I should know my Christ, my Sun
and live His Love's intensity.

I call, oh Lord, for you this day
Be known, that never shall I leave Your Grace,
In Presence here, my Christ, my Sun,
By mercy sweet, my sins atone.

And now, forthwith, with copious Love
Your contestants lose virility,
Yet men who seek their Christ, their Sun
Increase their strength commendably.

B.Hive

Bruce,

Has someone been tinkering with your bells upstairs
lately?
"When you wish upon a star....."
I'm not so sure I like the idea of a Tinkerbell
flitting about wapping folks over their heads with a
wand. :-)
There is something to be said about maturity but then
there is another to be said about being child like.
15-And they were bringing even their babies to Him,in
order that He might touch them, but when the disciples
saw it, they began rebuking them.
But Jesus called for them saying,"Permit the children
to come to Me, and stop hindering them, for the kingdom
of God belongs to such as these.
Truly I say to you, whoever does not receive the
kingdom of God like a child shall not enter it at
all."
(Luke chapter18 vs.15-17)

Got to go. Those mischievious elves are having a food
fight again.
;-)
Mariel


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Dear 888 :

Intereting post.  I've been working on a piece which
discusses "fairies" using the metaphor of software.  They
are like software in the spiritual energies of the
universe.  Resident on the frame or disk, so to speak, but
only active when the proper circumstances causes them to be
called into function.
As their tasks are largely associated with facilitating and
appreciating particular natural processes and harmonies, the
disruptive activities of many humans must be highly
irritating!
In addition, considering the havoc that can be created by
brining in creatures not native to an environment (such as
mice / rabbits in Australia, the brown snake on Guam , the
starling in America just to name a tiny few of the many
disasters), I'm thinking that "goblins" might just be
"Fairy" class creatures that have been transferred from
their proper environment to some place where their influence
is disharmonious.

Be interested in you thoughts on that one.
Ambrose Hawk

As men, we are continually exerting and exhibiting influences which
stream from other planets. So much so, that an individual has within
him: a Mars man, a Jupiter man, and so forth; who with particular
characteristics thus imparted, from those regions, does work with them
accordingly. And some characteristics may definitely dominate others.
One aspect so received and featured, will make for a consciousness, upon
approach into that realm: in conditions of sleep, in conditions after
death. And it will be to a particular globe of that planet, to which
they will go. And there are many globes, which run concurrently, aside
from those which are to be.

None of this is frightening to man; as home is where the heart is! But,
interpretations of such peregrinations is difficult, if not almost
impossible, for most to recall, or to imagine. Equally so, the fact that
this larger home sphere is teeming with beings, is incomprehensible.
Those who adhere to the Space-people theory, often are ignorant of the
sheer enormity and diversity of population. And this must speak to us,
therefore, of a limited capacity of comprehension; if not experience.

The knack is in trying to develop a consciousness that is self-conscious
in the present; and with present concerns. For surely this is one's
first concern. To make effort to expand oneself, out from the conscious
limits, is in this time, a strain and a stress; and a contradiction to
where one sits at the moment. All things, and all places, have their
appropriate times. And whilst the imagination can soar, and 'take off'
into realms far less tangible, it is best to exert clear and concise
consciousness at best, as is possible; for this will assist one, in
later efforts, in future realms.

Each to his domain! Everything starts, from the point of where you are.
You may look to: yourself, to another, to your little room and what
actually is in there, to your garden, and to your world - and all of
these things comprise (right here and now), keys into the realms that
extend outer and inner; and beyond. And one can come to an inherent
understanding of the nature of these living qualities, through the
mysterious; which is before you, in the very present. To come to
observe and know of life intimately.
And this is not impossible. Right from the position you hold, in the
room you are in, in the present.

Now, were that you were enabled to experience a little of such
perception, there would be no need for a spaceship in order for you to
achieve this. Grand Maya! The spaceship enterprise (pun!) is quite
contrary and immature to spiritual theory and practice. And the ways in
which a multitude of beings inflame their influence in man, is not as
blatant, nor as primitive, nor as naive, as the concepts that purport
this.
Some Devas are suggestible, to man's bidding. Some are aloof, and keep
best away, but some are all too easily influenced by the concepts of
men; as regards themselves. And liberties may be taken on both sides.
And even though their experience and wisdom may be as long as their
years, alongside man, and even though they may present (some of them) as
very aged, they are in fact, very much the children, who are as
children, held back.

They never quite made the connections, even though they are kith and
kindred to humanity. They suffer the ills of humanity, but do not
partake directly. Their memory may span the ages, as they are not
incarnate within the physical realm directly - but they are impassioned
by men, and imprinted so. They may be corrupted or encouraged, or
exalted, or dismissed. They, who were at the crossroads, who could not
make the bridge into humanity, but run alongside, concurrently, in many
forms and consciousnesses.

And, there are many who are far from dull-witted and stupid; some, who
would enter into the realms of men, and oblige. Whilst others are
contemptuous and ill-mannered (having gleaned this from men also). In a
way, there's perhaps more of a freedom, within the realm; and yet also,
a time and space which is undecided. And depending upon their
characters: their personal natures, one will find anything from
'Tinkerbell' flower-hat fairies, to veritable demons: those of the
earth, with bearded consideration, those of the air realms, the water,
the Angelic.

And of those who are fixed, and more mature, we have many who are quite
capable of approaching men, and conversing at will. Some may be
subservient, whilst others have outreached the general capacity of a
man's comprehension. Some are very confused. All have a pretty poor self
image. They are the original 'Green Movement'. Some are understandably
'testy' about these pressing concerns. They must find means of being
understood, and have been long dissatisfied with their neighbours'
habits, and inconsiderate interference.

Added to this, they are rendered almost powerless, unless invited to
contribute, in that which affects the world of men. Some are doting, and
very impressionable (some, meaning literally millions).

They are colourful indeed.
Much inspiration may come from their directives. However, as with much
within the world, they are as many and varied by nature and attribute,
and it does not pay well, to generalize. They are also very easily
offended: In point of fact, one must never be as discourteous as to be
haughty about one's position in relation to these beings, nor to be
'pushed around' or 'played with' (depending upon who it is that you
encounter); but be respectfully aware, with neither fixation or
judgment.

Tuesday, 30th March 1999

MEN DO NOT need wars. It is the very concept that our finest minds
entertain which may invite the perils, rather than detain them.

Should we ever accept or explain genocide? Whether by hand or by nature,
such “transformation” occurring in global events by any form of
corruption is not an event welcomed by Christ. In point of fact it is
moreover a dangerous distraction away from the truth of this Being and
Presence within our Humanity.

We caution all who are specialists in their spiritual thinking to guard
their attitudes with extreme vigilance, such as is quick to refute the
explanations of causality as a silent precursor to acceptance.

You see much begins and ends with us. The future worlds importantly
morph right out from the many-petalled ‘mind’ of the world- and this
mind is but our mind, contributed to by our finest.

We betray our brothers and sisters and that of our future selves when we
presume to comprehend the transactions of war and of pestilence. In
philosophy also, men  may distance themselves with such ‘objectivity’
that argues “death is inevitable” “life in this world is transitory”
“out of evil cometh good” and so forth.

Yet it is by our observation that we can say that souls may be flung
into an obscurity with violent death and disturbed out  from what would
have been a life for which much good could have been gleaned. But when
individuals pass through the gates of death in shock, taking with them
the last moments of mortal terror (experienced deeply in the body as
well) the ‘animal’ itself  is panicked and eventually torn out from its
impelling desire to drive down into life, ill-prepared to desist.

Then what follows for much after is the grievous condition of such
insecurities that are attributable to such an event. Men are durable but
not insufferable.

Optimum ingravia.
The incarnation was an act of Love for this World. The forces which
oppose this distort and disrupt our dear Creation. But let it be said:
There is no great meaning or benefaction to come from disorder,
disharmony and death. We are cautioned in these remarkably potent of
times to affix our meditations and subsequent propaganda on the lap of
Beauty, the breast of Wisdom, the Staff of Christ and the Fatherhood of
God.

B.Hive

Dear Bhive,
>
>
This is an interesting post.

--- 888 <bhive@...> wrote:
> From: "888" <bhive@...>
>
> Dear Friends,
>  I will post this new message directly on to the
list
> this time. Some of
> you will already have received it, so now it is open
> for discussion.
> -Bruce
>
>
>  Tuesday, 23 March 1999
>
> By Christ we may come to love, know and commune with
> our Father. The Sin
> which we have been saved from is that condition in
> which we are severed
> from His Presence within our heart, minds and lives.
> It is that
> unspeakable darkness which the Light of this World
> made good;
> transforming the fixation of souls, returning them
to
> the holy
> ordinances from whence they first came, reuniting
> them with all of
> Heaven’s dowry now due.
>
>  We have spoken before of sin in the context of
> lovelessness (in its
> action), and in relation to ill-health (by its
> consequence); and today
> we make study of the scriptural references in which
> it occurs speaking
> most clearly of the deficit of compliance within the
> soulic
> consciousness of a man.
>
>
>>>Let me take this to another context. Why then do
children become ill?
There are still alot of religions around that believe
that if a child or adult becomes sick that it is a
result of sin in their life.
And some of these go so far as to avoid any kind of
medical treatments whether homeopathic or orthodox
etc,.. Resulting in the deaths of children and adults.
I do not hold to this particular view.
And why do some, even some of the saints who have loved
much become ill?
>
>
>
>
> Many men had become
> disgraced within their very humanhood, being
> entrapped by the senses,
> distracted by the pleasures, inconstant due to
> suffering and deceased
> from their very connections unto Him.
>
>
>>> Yeah. Makes me wonder why some men and women take a
vow of celibacy when they know they really cannot keep
it.
>
>
Mariel

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Dear Bruce,
>
--- 888 <bhive@...> wrote:
> From: "888" <bhive@...>
>
> Dear Mariel,
> >"THE OPPOSITE OF LOVE IS NOT HATE BUT
INDIFFERENCE."
>
>
> I think it was Blavatsky that said the opposite of
> hate is fear. Common
> thought, of course, has the opposite of hate as
love.
>
>
>>>Rather, hate and fear are not opposites but
complement each the other. Fear is a spawn of hate and
vice versa.
Well I don't know much about Blavatsky but, fear is a
truly immobilizing force if you allow it and allow it
to spread. It's like a disease. Many a
dictator/tyrant...Hitler,Stalin,Milosevich to name a
few, like to use this as a control tactic.
>
>
> >Martyr or Warrior the mode of death may differ but
> the
> >end is the same.
>
> The martyr is a warrior in a way. He or she has
> conquered themselves,
> and really fear and hate.
> It is known that the great Masters have suffered
> martyrdom in more than
> one life.
>
>
>>>Good that you pointed that out. Yes, I understand
what you are saying. That is truly a great
accomplishment. And that is one of the remedies for the
disease! Yet we don't have to wait until we become
martyr or warrior for that to happen.
Some of the great Masters were also warriors.
It is quite a dynamic. To use either passive resistance
or active resistance. Doing nothing, accomplishes
nothing.
>
>
>
> I'm not prescribing it though.
>
>>>I'm glad you're not an M.D.;-)
>
> Peace be with you too, in these fearful times,
> Bruce
>
>Only if you allow them to be.
Will there ever be peace? And if so at what price?
Mariel

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Dear Alice-It was good to see some U.S.of A. vernacular, what with
'appreciate','disposables' and 'stuff'.
I was able to bring to mind two men who I would say pass the' inert'
test having all those 'qualities' as per paras. 7& 8.
I am thinking that MAN must be a 'cosmic substance of worth-a rarefied
virtue ( paras.12 & 3) and therefore non-snuffable.
It was comforting, and felt right to me that no matter what condition a
man may sink to, he still knows,and can turn his experience toward
sainthood.
However we would be wise not to forget the urgency of our recent
teaching on the 20 and 400 year future limits or to discount the anguish
of the inert.

love John

Dear Mariel,
>"THE OPPOSITE OF LOVE IS NOT HATE BUT INDIFFERENCE."


I think it was Blavatsky that said the opposite of hate is fear. Common
thought, of course, has the opposite of hate as love.

>Martyr or Warrior the mode of death may differ but the
>end is the same.


The martyr is a warrior in a way. He or she has conquered themselves,
and really fear and hate.
It is known that the great Masters have suffered martyrdom in more than
one life.

I'm not prescribing it though.

Peace be with you too, in these fearful times,
Bruce

A question from Alice:

I'd like to know a little more about how this disablement of the self
occurs; what is the process? I can think of obvious things like drug
abuse, being in an abusive relationship, etc. But can the erosion of the
self ever be a permanent state if there is a flicker of spirit left in
one's soul?
Even the tiniest ember of Christ's love still smouldering there? Can one
permanently disable this flame?
***

The wording here used is very exact and is appreciated! For to ‘disable
the flame’ explains a condition which is not of extinction or of
annihilation, but rather of inertia.

  There is no provision within Creation for uncreating that which is
permanent. Throughout the many layered panoramic schemes of
manifestation the exaggeration of being and the cosmic display, is for
the main, transitory, changing and illusory.

  Those things which are transitory, changing and illusory must contain
(or grow to contain) some real cosmic substance that they reach some
kind of ‘permanent status’ to therefore remain. Spiritually speaking a
cosmic substance of worth is a rarefied virtue.

  Those things which are transitory, changing and illusory that are
deficit in cosmic substance dissemble and go back into the interior
wardrobes from whence all ‘stuff’ comes from.

  If there were not the disposables such as these then the ‘uncreating’
that occurs would extinguish the permanent and thereby disable all ‘life
’ (in and out of manifestation).

  And so the worthy remains. The permanent remains. Some actively being
and being represented, being clothed, demonstrating, creating, etc. Some
in quiescence in retirement, in repose, in dream-activity from higher
realms, and so forth.

  Inertia is certain death. It is not death in terms of changingness and
transitory conditions - moving from one condition into another - it is
hollow representation, it is having no resistance and no response, no
will, no empathetic resonance and no capacity to such humility as that
which can take in the influences and charges of another.

  Some individuals are travelling these roads to living the inert
spiritual existence. You can see that their resistance is failing, their
responsiveness is given over to deceit (a lazy consciousness who allows
the personality to maintain it for example - or a mentality which
co-exists in lying to itself, again a dangerous practice). The will may
become weakened to the point where desires and demons take over in
place; the empathetic sensitivities are silenced; a false ego presumes
to ‘know’ more than any other, therefore inspiration is blocked-
including that from Father God -  from which we have Sin.

  These tendencies can carry on throughout lifetimes unfortunately and
poison the individual who has so ‘fallen’. And, in the extreme, if his
humanhood has been so relinquished, the soul itself is sloughed off and
returns to is origins eventually, the man is dismembered and all that
remains is his divinity of Christhood and his ‘spark’ of Godliness from
which all else did circumnavigate.

  There are opportunities however for many men to retrieve their
composite selves and make good again. There are stages and conditions
whereupon they are reawakened, given to more suitable interludes for
such to happen, and the process such as was just described is few and
far between in the main. Usually it happens that when men fall back into
the arms of the demon armies and their ways they live such a horror, for
a time, that when they are given the opportunity to return it is
achieved and with all the dressings of a future sainthood ahead of them
by that very experience.

  You see, one thing which never ceases, wherever it is, is
consciousness. That flame, that spark which is often referred to, is
just that ad infinitum, continuum.

  And yes, that consciousness will know what has occurred and where it
is. It will feel its beingness. If its condition is cold-blooded and
living slime under some rock somewhere, it will know. If the waves toss
over it, in currents that rock its slippery veins backwards and forth,
it will know. It might have forgotten its humanhood that it forsook, but
it will still be conscious to the degree that it moved to. It will know.
B.Hive

Hiya Bruce,

Yeah. "Prophecies are not fixed in concrete." There are
so many prophecies but, time, is the test of the ones
who have any truth to them.
"Forgiveness." Is such a wonderous thing.
Things are born. Things die. Things are reborn.
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
God Bless You Too,
mariel
>
>
--- 888 <bhive@...> wrote:
> From: "888" <bhive@...>
>
> Hiya Mariel,
>
>
> The approach of year 2000 has has many looking for
> signs and the
> fulfilment of prophecies. Our destiny is open.
> Prophecy is not fixed in
> concrete. There are observable trends however.
>
>  Mark 13:7  And when ye shall hear of wars and
> rumours of wars, be ye
> not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the
> end shall not be
> yet.
>
> God Bless,
> Bruce
>

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John 8:10  When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman,
he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man
condemned thee?
John 8:11  She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I
condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

and

John 5:12  Then asked they him, What man is that which said unto thee,
Take up thy bed, and walk?
John 5:13  And he that was healed wist not who it was: for Jesus had
conveyed himself away, a multitude being in that place.
  John 5:14  Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto
him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come
unto thee.

One can argue that impurity to any degree can sully the soul with a
sickness - and that this may later become manifest within the physical
constitution. However, primarily we suggest that the first cause of all
sin, which we may name as Sin, is that of separateness from Father God.
All else may follow on in consequence because of that. A murderer would
not commit the kill were he at one with Father God. No man or woman
would take part in a loveless act if they perceived His Will.

  Christ issues His writ - “go and Sin no more” - because it is He that
empowers the Man and the Woman once again to come to such holy commune
with their Father. By His Will and His Convenience it is enabled.

B.Hive

Dear Minstrel,
Here is some more on the Brothers.
Warmly,
Bruce

THERE is no way of  proving our credentials, of who we are, because it
would be based upon our say-so. Some are never satisfied, whilst many
are too easily satisfied, when entering into such relations. Of course
the question is relevant. However, one can ask: what are the credentials
of those who throw doubt upon the matter?

The 'Space-people' intercourses are not dissimilar to the spiritualism
of last century. To many, they are one and the same. The figures are
equally as fanciful. One can 'pluck' from the astral many an obliging
speaker, who undoubtedly will, for the most part, garble on. At the
moment one is working on the basis of assumption that these 'Space-
people' are talking entities, who convey meaning from very distant
realms. That they have just 'flown in'.

Many will tell you (or precisely the mediums) exactly what you want to
hear - if this was not the case the mediums would not oblige. They never
seem to offend anyone, do they? Some mediums still continue on, in the
old school, with old names, of exalted saints and teachers. Others
continue with Indians and (ho, ho, ho) pirates, etc.; others make claim
of 'Venusians' et al.. Whilst also, those few idiots who should call
upon devils, are satisfied also, with slime and incantation. All of them
are obliged - but what precisely is their contact? The quality of their
teaching, or more accurately, the information, will speak for
themselves.

Yes, it is true, that the 'Devas' relish the opportunity to communicate;
and yes, they may be equally obliging. It is no small matter, however,
to be privy to interpret 'language' and converse with a being who
projects from outside the system. One would have to enter in so close,
as to actually be here; and have been here for a very long while. You
see, if they do not know what it is that they say they know - if indeed
there is little evidence of the science and advancement proclaimed -
then one must question: that they are who they say they are, or more to
the point, that their contact and experience is much older than
suspected.

If it were the case, that our world was so ethereal as to welcome all
manner of beings to the doorstep, and indeed shower their influence to
degrees that is assumed, then surely we would have been overrun a long
long time ago. One can imagine what next century shall bring - most
likely the Tree-spirits, and Animal-gods etc.!

In the centuries prior to this one, there was no talk of space vehicles
and the like. It is true to say that men would have lacked the
accompanying concepts, but nonetheless, were this occurring at all, the
information would have brought about its impact. But this was not the
expression at all. For the main part, we have deceased entities, or
deceased shells, of men who shall speak of foreign planets, and missions
to Earth.

Certainly, in trance, a medium cannot accept into themselves anything
but a lower entity, for a higher consciousness could not endure the
association, nor would be attracted to try. It is an impossibility. One
may frequent the houses for the mentally insane and mentally disabled,
and strike much of the same communication which issues willingly from
these mediums. The messages of words spoken, are simply not put to use
by Angelic influence (not in the way described) as their activity is
paramount upon the manifestation within the world - what use would be a
few garbled words?
One can only endeavor to ask them a sensible question, and hope for a
sensible reply.
The world of men is much more complicated than most imagine. If one has
not the business of becoming directly involved, then they are not aware
of the capabilities that advanced souls, and not-so advanced souls have
entered into. And, in some ways, they can be as glorious, or as hideous,
as any Spaceman concept; in what they can actually effect. But, usually,
the politics is bound to this globe; and busy enough as it is, with
such.

The Devas inhabit a world which, one might say, has been separated off
from this, our world - and yet, is one and the same. The etheric realms
of golden light, are vivid and bright, and by contrast, most
pleasurable, for these individuals. Their perception cannot often make
the connection, which takes them into the shadows of this world. They
would keep to themselves for the most part, and as with all beings, they
have representatives of their very wise, to their very infant. In
legend, they are awaiting a soul of their own, and are somewhat
disturbed by talk about this. For in truth, they have their
individuality, and ways, and have been with this world, ere since it
began. And they are in essence, the plant kingdom personified.

John 14:26  But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father
will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all
things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

[And it is through the vassal/ vessel of life itself that we shall come
to know afurther of life. And it is through past thinking, in the
imaginative memories that we cognise these spiritual realities.]

1 John 1:4  And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be
full.
1 John 1:5  This then is the message which we have heard of him, and
declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
1 John 1:6  If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in
darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
  1 John 1:7  But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have
fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son
cleanseth us from all sin.
  1 John 1:8  If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and
the truth is not in us.
1 John 1:9  If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive
us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 1:10  If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and
his word is not in us.

When we acknowledge our conditions of separateness and distinction from
Father God we are immediately reconciled to Him once again. For those
who take it upon their own egos to assume that the closeness is
automatic, without the searching, there can be the illusion of Presence,
without the actuality. Better to confess to an emptiness and call upon
Him to provide, than profess a spiritual abundance offering no vein for
the inspirative force to pour in.


John 9:2  And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this
man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
John 9:3  Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents:
but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

With this passage, and to this purpose, we suggest that the emphasis be
placed on the end statement explaining that the blind man is not, in
fact, so distant from Father God.

John 9:41  Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no
sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.

Man was truly without Sin before his fall into physicality. Prior to his
sensorial splurge he was more spirituality enlivened and keen to the
deliveries as brought about by the higher powers.

  This is not to suggest that we discredit the worldly senses in order to
return to a comprehending relationship with the Father, but it does
however suggest to us that there is much that will distract us away from
Him to the point of illusion and sin. Can we pray with our eyes open to
the world? No, not effectively. That we may go to Him and confer as we
must, there needs be those times in which He alone is given our
attention, and we become ‘blind’ for that time, in giving over to the
vision of the inner eye instead.

B.Hive

Dear Mariel,

In many respects, I would agree with you.  What my father's
definitions introduced into the matrix however is a quite
interesting Cherokee take on things.

You see, European thought is dominated by the linquistic
model of act and actor.  Even existing is an action even if
its a passive response to another's action as Creationists
etc. have it.

For many of us, however, not all things are acts or even
consequences of acts as classical logic would view them.
Rather there are conditions and places and relationships
among which we can move or shift -- and not by action but by
transformation.  Not sure the concept really translates
clearly here.

So something like the infamous "original sin" formed no
problem for us, as we could easily see ourselves caught in
some kind of milieau which was inherently interfering with
our spiritual abilities.

Just a thought and ideas for percolations ---
BE Blest
Ambrose Hawk

Hiya Mariel,
>
>Sin is error, failure, and many other words can be used
>to describe it.

From the Lord's Prayer:
"And forgive us of our errors,
As You did make us with fault and flaw,
As we forgive all others and release them from our fixed ledger of debt,
And commit them to Perfection, rather than Sin."

The approach of year 2000 has has many looking for signs and the
fulfilment of prophecies. Our destiny is open. Prophecy is not fixed in
concrete. There are observable trends however.

  Mark 13:7  And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye
not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the end shall not be
yet.

God Bless,
Bruce

If men were to realise the demons that they conjure continually they
would certainly think twice before unleashing them into the world. The
prettiest dinner parties are often full of them. It is surmised that the
indignant and the angry are entitled to their upset when it is born of
social interest, affliction or simply on behalf of the rest, as a
corporate anger as it were. However, anger itself, when expressed from
any individual (developed or undeveloped, civilised or uncivilised) is
an act of hostility and of violence.

Any individual who has been overswept with their own personal sense of
self enough to be enraged uses their own etheric vitality in the
process, and quite often is found to become very sleepy after the
dramatics for this reason - anger cannot be sustained indefinitely, it
demands much more from a man than it often affords (except in instances
of defense when a man may be endangered).

The will of a man sometimes outgrows his character - in other words, he
may be very good at exerting his will, particularly over other men; but
he may not be very good at applying himself in ways of restraint and
self-discipline. Character building requires both. We must know when to
be wilful and when to relax our egos and concentrate our efforts into
spiritualising an otherwise taxing event.

When a man has altered his conscious response from such anger, or
abhorrence, into a paradoxical peace, then he has defied the demon of
the difficulty and transformed it into a little angel - redeemed the
demon of sad circumstance with a pity and a mercy and a supplication
asked and received from God. This in turn brings the man his
spirituality consciously won. From this he shall receive a clarity and
attenuation which increases his perception of the heavenly worlds and
their aspect - he has befriended Christ in league for a love higher than
anger or residual bitterness.

The awareness of the higher worlds from this vantage does come from the
inner senses derived from metamorphosed sadness and suffering. One might
  explain the martyrs trials in the light of this edict. Certainly one
can say that there became a sweet compensation, and yet, remembering
also that each one forgo his 'escape-gate' of shock too - that they
entered into their persecutions past the limit of any ordinary endurance
encountered, and sought willingly to retain their consciousness and
remain for as long as was possible, connected within their circumstance,
within their afflicted bodies, all the while denying any 'well-earned'
anger, giving it all up to God.

Conversely, there are many aggravants which overstimulate men -
situations need not be found so obviously difficult as to cause upset.
The more a man is inclined to anger, the easier it shall be for like
demons to grip at his heart for little or no impending reason - the
reasons themselves can become manufactured, and all the while the surge
of vitality enjoyed by the angry man turns to become a pleasure,
whereupon he feels more alive than ever, even though his 'aliveness' is
causing certain aggravation within his world.

His temporary surge of etheric charge encourages his activity and fires
his liveliness, whilst yet of course he shall bear the karma of this
aggravation, and also come to expire himself far earlier, losing mind,
body, or both to deterioration. Negativity looks after its own, as they
say, in the way it knows best!

...Still more

John 14:12  Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the
works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he
do; because I go unto my Father.

[Each has his Christhood to qualify himself in the becoming.]

John 14:13  And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that
the Father may be glorified in the Son.

[I cherish and make holy that name we do share.]

John 14:14  If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

[With the authority of Father God.]

John 14:15  If ye love me, keep my commandments.

[That thy love will broaden and the devil shall sicken.]

  John 14:16  And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another
Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

[That through the vital action of the ever moving, motivating holy
spirit we may transverse with Father God.]

John 14:17  Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive,
because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he
dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

[The World shall be spiritualised through Man. It is only by our inner
knowing that we may bring the Kingdom of Heaven into matter.]

John 14:18  I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

[I will not leave you without life - in this moment, and eternally - for
this I come to you.]

John 14:19  Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye
see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

[Not to be entertained by the world, or its vision, but through the
common life within.]

John 14:20  At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in
me, and I in you.

[And thou shall sin no more - no separateness, no distinction from God
the Father.]

...B.Hive

Dear Friends,
  I will post this new message directly on to the list this time. Some of
you will already have received it, so now it is open for discussion.
-Bruce


  Tuesday, 23 March 1999

By Christ we may come to love, know and commune with our Father. The Sin
which we have been saved from is that condition in which we are severed
from His Presence within our heart, minds and lives. It is that
unspeakable darkness which the Light of this World made good;
transforming the fixation of souls, returning them to the holy
ordinances from whence they first came, reuniting them with all of
Heaven’s dowry now due.

  We have spoken before of sin in the context of lovelessness (in its
action), and in relation to ill-health (by its consequence); and today
we make study of the scriptural references in which it occurs speaking
most clearly of the deficit of compliance within the soulic
consciousness of a man.

  When Christ burgeoned the physical world with His Coming, he insisted
upon this life made manifest through the world, the new knowledge of the
Father. Much had gone without up until this point. Many men had become
disgraced within their very humanhood, being entrapped by the senses,
distracted by the pleasures, inconstant due to suffering and deceased
from their very connections unto Him.

  Without a direct pathway through to our Father God, we and our beloved
planet have nothing. It is only a matter of time until that which is
without the spirit withers and fades for all eternity.


  We may look to this passage:

John 14:10  Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father
in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the
Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

[Know also, that in accordance with our likeness to Him and to He, that
we must also believe that Christ and the Father do dwell within our very
natures. He is in Him, and we may say these words on behalf of that
portion of He that is within us also.]

John 14:11  Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or
else believe me for the very works' sake.

[May we perceive this combination. Meditation upon this fact does make
for the reality and presence of such.]

B.Hive

The steps up into higher development are achieved when an individual has
himself made the transcension from suffering and sorrow through to
striving, enduring, and then culminating in further won ability.

If difficulty has been met and then embraced with, a man may choose
denial, bitterness, anger or resolve. He may go on in further years when
coming up against the very hint of the same difficulty to respond with
either abhorrence or with peace; and the way of his nature so responding
shall make way for his future development also.

It is understandable that most men should not react with joy to that
which has been known to them to be most painful. Physically, a man may
partially excarnate into shock when he has not the capacity to meet with
the conditions he is placed in - sudden death because of great bodily
injury is shock of a kind also, and in this instance the consciousness
of the man as removed cannot make the connection back to the body he so
loved. The condition of all shock is the extreme of an unnegiotiated
circumstance, and this may take place also in our thinking, our
experiencing the ride of manifold emotions and responses in the world.

But shock breaks coherency. Once it has been arrived at - the
'safety-gate' you may call it - then there is no returning in
consciousness to that upset, it shall have to wait until the review
after death, when it may be dispatched then with a measure of
separation.

And so in the first instance we have covered what is to many the only
'reliable' reaction to that which they do not like. It may describe the
action of an insolentry, whereupon the man does not want to know and
verily cannot know, for the threat and the grief and the pain and the
pressure has caused his escape, so sealing the ego even from the memory
until a future lifetime when he will assuredly be placed with exactly
the same set of conditions, given all the pains and the difficulties, in
the hope that he may be capable of absorbing the experience in a further
try.

If we ever tell ourselves "I do not want to know" and it is something
that we already do know, then we are asking for shock to overcome us and
lift us up and out of that which is making us uncomfortable in that
knowledge. And yet, this is a miniature suicide every time, for we
forfeit a little of ourselves when we forego a knowledge that is part of
ourselves. When we bury our understandings, no matter how painful they
may be to us, we bury ourselves into the bargain.

The second response to pain, as discussed, is abhorrence. If we are
stirred to reminisce some sense of former suffering, or forewarned
perhaps of some impending condition, it may be that our primary reaction
is one of abhorrence. In the beginning of this talk we suggested quite
gravely that abhorrence is both insultuous and aggravating in its nature
and manifestation through Man.

To bee continued..

Dear Teachers,
       I have a pressing question:-The Black and White Christians (God
Bless them) react with abhorrence to the threat of 'occult' powers - for
example, Red Indian Devas (but also etc. etc. etc.)
This contrasts with our approach of sympathetic firmness.
What are the actual negative effects with respect to:-
1) The Christ Impulse
2) The Devas
3) The adherent
4) The communicator - be him Red Indian or no.
5) - others?
We have answers with our teachings, but I was thinking that perhaps a
warning against abhorrence would complement our package on this subject?
John W.

Answer:-
Abhorrence loathes, it is repulsed and repulsing; born of a hatred
within he who recoils and abhors. It is more than just a simple and
innocent reaction within the man or woman, it is active and disabling,
destructive and demeaning, it is insultuous and unvirtuous, even though
it becomes habitual to some who thereby go on to profess their own worth
thereby.

Contempt dwells within us when we are caused to will an immediate
disassociation of ego. The abruptness which accompanies our displeasure
helps our beings to summon all forces inwardly, and draw back - the man
then becoming contracted, and most shrunken, withdrawn in the literal
sense of the word.

And there are men who by habit of such are most shrunken etherically.
Were one to perceive their emmanatory bodies, they would find that what
should have been a light-filled man has been hardened into but a shadowy
darkness, largely contained in a bubble of thought which persists with a
repetition - durge-like and monotonous.
The monotony of this constant but lifeless thinking strengthens the
man's ego in one respect, whilst in another he has lost his elasticity
as it were; he has forgone, in time, the capability of excelling any
further than he has already gone.

And so he may well have become an icon of frozen thinking - perhaps
sublime, perhaps just fixed. However, paradoxically, unless a man is
'open' to fresh and new thought, and 'lives' his thinking, then he loses
the ability to live out and experience the sources of thought he holds
important. It is not enough to become a mausoleum to ideas and ideals,
for the thoughts shall expire if not given renewal by release - to
decease and then return, reborn.

Furthermore, a man clearly cannot embrace any thought with life if not
with love also. And so there are decrees by the thousands one may
discount on that criteria alone.

And here we are brought to abhorrence, an issue from Man which goes
further than contempt as it is indeed a stronger poison, assuming it
knows, when clearly it does not; for it has not the light of love to
illumine the wisdom. It is then a falsehood, and being such, yet
experienced and entertained by the man requires self-justification to
off-set the uncertainty then produced in the disdain.

If I have a sewing box and am asked for a certain hue of thread to match
a cloth, but have not that colour and know this to be so, and my
spindles are few to begin with, I am likely to look nonetheless and
compare, busying myself with an impossibility. More often or not it is
human nature to actually go ahead and pluck one of their spools of
colour, and offer it up, with a half-hopeful-helpfulness which says
"perhaps this is more or less right?"

Well, it is less, and could never be more now can it?  "Perhaps the
cloth is wrong" or "the colour is to be complementary?" they suggest -
and so it goes. If the ideas and concepts of a faith do not match with
their own shades and colour, then there develops an antipathy for
anything varied or different as a result of entertaining an impossible
match.

It would be unreasonable to expect a man to accept something of which he
has absolutely no experience of. Our first question to attend to here is
to ask how it is that certain men may embrace the esoteric concepts,
whilst others have not the experience to make their way into such
recognition. One must wonder why, particularly when the esoteric thinker
maintains that even the materialistic man has a soul and qualities which
are undiscovered by him.

Answers next....

May we combine
With the birds and the fish
And their spirit of the air
and of the water,
With the Virtues,
And the flowers,
The beauteous empowered,
Nature's landscape defined.
And may we give ourselves
To that which is of You, firstly -
Worthy of our fulfillment
and combination,
And,
do it well,
Wholeheartedly.

Knowledge is so intimate -
We seek to combine with knowledge also;
And we pray that our union be
with Your Knowledge -
Pure, Straight, Enlightening and
Reasonable.
We wish to combine with another,
by hearts,
May we do so unconditionally,
With our only expectation being
Their perfection realised.
AMEN