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Sri Venkatramana Bagavathar

I was really curious to know the real picture of Sri
Venkatramana's role in compiling the works of Sri
Thiyagaraja. I have forwarded a mail I received from
a reliable source. It mentions that Sri Venkatramana
is one of the disciples who compiled the works of his
master. While I have heard Sri Venkatramana
acknowledged in Carnatic music circles as a great
composer (most of the concerts on Thiyagaraja end with
a work of Sri Venkatramana praising the master, if I
am correct), he doesn't seem to have been the 'Boswell
to Sri Thiyagaraja' as is believed in our community.

I raise this issue not to question the validity of the
above statement but to know the real facts behind it.
Mr.OSS could clarify as to what his sources were on
his short article on Sri Venkatramana.

Thank You.

Regards,
vishvesh


Note: forwarded message attached.


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Sat Apr 5, 2003 1:33 am

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karnATik feedback (fwd)

Hi,

In Tyagaraja's case, as with many composers, the music was handed down
through his disciples. Some of his disciples:

his disciples: Veena Kuppaiyar, Tiruuvaiyar Iya Bhagavatar, Walajapet
Vankatarama Bhagavatar, Manapuchavadi Venkatasubbiah, Thillaisthanam
Ramaiyengar, Lalgudi Ramaiyar, Umayalapuram Krishan Bhagavatar, Subbaraya
Sastri (son of Syamasastri), Sundariyer, Amrithalingam pillai, Nemam
Subbaramaiah, Nangavaram Neela kantiah, Sojjiri Seetharamaiah, Kannaiah
Bhagavatar, Venkatachala pathi Bhagavatar, Ganesappagaru, Kumbakonam
Aravamutha Iyer and Walajapet Potti Joshiya.

Tyagaraja is said to have died in 1847. One of the earliest compilations
came out in 1908 by Narasimha Bhagavatar (Dowden and Co). After that,
there was one in 1916 by KV Srinivasa Iyengar (Sangita Ratnavali) and THEN
Kritimani Malai.

hope that helps
rani
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We hear that Sri Venkatramana Bagavathar was the one who compiled the compositions of Sri Thyagarajar. How far is this true? If it has been a fact, how come...
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Dear Subramaniandha, I will try to come up with a strong letter for sourashtra sabha secretary based on the facts reflecting your effort so far. If someone can...
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Mar 27, 2003
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Hi Friends, I would like to make a request here. When we are posting to Sourashtra Study, let us take a little time in deciding on the subject. If it is not...
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Mar 27, 2003
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I got the book `Oral Literature of the Sourashrans' from Mr.OSS. This is a compilation of the folk songs of our community by Dr.Ucida Norihiko, a Japanese...
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Mar 31, 2003
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Hi All, I am back from my India Trip. On being inspired by the discussion on sou. books I decided to do a search for books in Oxford University. To my surprise...
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Apr 1, 2003
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Hi Bobji, The book by Mr.I.R.Dave seems to be an authentic one. Mr.Ucida also quotes it frequently. If you have access to it and have the time to read it, you...
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Hi Bobji, The 2nd one (by Ishvarlal Ratilal Dave) is an interesting book. I have the library copy. There was another book I used to refer at McGill University ...
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Apr 3, 2003
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Hi Vishvesh, I always tell my students to follow this rule. I have overlooked this time, I beleive. True not only it leads to confusion but also to postpone...
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I am pasting a mail sent to me by Mr.O.S.Subramanian. He has earlier made an appeal to the Government of India for a recognition of Sri Venkatramana...
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Hi Friends, I did some research on Sri Venkatramana and I found interesting information. It is a fact that Sri Thiyagaraja's works (not just works alone but...
ovishvesh Offline Send Email Apr 9, 2003
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ovishvesh <ovishvesh@...> wrote:Hi Friends, I did some research on Sri Venkatramana and I found interesting information. It is a fact that Sri...
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Apr 11, 2003
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Dear Subramanian Dha, Thanks for your reference to the Sourashtra compositions of Sri Venkatramana. In fact, in one of the links I quoted earlier there is a...
Obla Vishvesh
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Apr 11, 2003
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It is quite interesting article and shocked as Sourashtrians how did we ignore Sri Venkatarama Bhagavathar ... However, can some one provide the Saurashtra...
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ramkumar <ramkumar@...> wrote: It is quite interesting article and shocked as Sourashtrians how did we ignore Sri Venkatarama Bhagavathar ... However,...
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Dear Subramaniandha, Thanks for the information on sourashtra sabha. Please let me know the name of the President/Secretary of Sourashtra sabha as well. ... a...
Dr. Ruppa Thulasiram
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Apr 1, 2003
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I was really curious to know the real picture of Sri Venkatramana's role in compiling the works of Sri Thiyagaraja. I have forwarded a mail I received from a...
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Apr 5, 2003
1:35 am

prevu Vishveshuku, mudullo 'licindia.com' menate ID ku emailnu dhaDDunankan. Venkataramana Bhagavatharus taaDi paanum tyagarajarnu kirtanan likki thovriyo ...
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Dear Subramanian Dha, Thanks for clarifying. No one can doubt the validity of a source like Prof.Sambamoorthy. Anyway, I would appreciate if you could post...
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