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#8373 From: john_peter maher <jpmaher@...>
Date: Tue Sep 12, 2000 5:18 pm
Subject: letter jpm to Ottawa Citizen: Jasenovac: who were the victims?
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12 September 2000

To the Editor
Ottawa Citizen

When will the free Western press begin to tell the truth?

Tom Rhodes has the facts wrong on Croatia's WW  II death camp at
Jasenovac. He incorrectly writes "Up to 700,000 people, mostly Jews, are

thought to have been killed by the Ustashe, many of them at the
Jasenovac concentration camp." (10 September 2000)

In a discussion I had in September 1997 with Ephraim Zurov of the
Jerusalem office of the Simon Wiesenthal Foundation I put at 30,000 the
number of Jews murdered at Jasenovac, Mr Zurov corrected me. Too high,
he said; in 1941 "there were 20,000 Jews in Croatia."

Unless editors correct "journalist" Rhodes' s misleading article," the
Ottawa Citizen can plead incompetence at least, but more likely
mendacious holocaust revisionism.

Tom Rhodes's phraseological spin "... are thought to have been killed
..." can only be meant to implant doubt about what is hardly
speculative.

The number of victims bludgeoned, burned, tortured, and literally
butchered
at Croatia's Auschwitz range from "only" 400,000 to
700,000. Croatia's Nazis, the Ustashas, themselves bragged that they had

annihilated one million "enemies".

They were Serbs.



J. P. Maher
Emeritus


Chicago

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Subject: Re: Fw: Beatification angers Jews and liberals
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#8371 From: john_peter maher <jpmaher@...>
Date: Tue Sep 12, 2000 5:03 pm
Subject: Re: Fw: re Croatia's Auschwitz: Jasenovac -- letter to Ottawa Citizen
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My letter leaves the editor and reader to ask: "who were the victims, then?".

Since no answer was forthcoming from Ottawa, I'll fill in the blank for them. Ther will be, again, no response.

j p m
 

angelina markovic wrote:


----- Original Message -----
From: John Jay
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 17:13Subject: FW: re Croatia's Auschwitz: Jasenovac -- letter to Ottawa Citizen
LISTMEMBERS WRITE TO THE "OTTAWA CITIZEN" ASAP ABOUT THIS (e-mails below)




[Stealing their history, their pain and their suffering - just another
suble part of the ongoing racial demonization of the Serbs !]


I was sent an article (apparently published in the Ottawa Citizen) myself earlier today,
and immediately contacted the people who e-mailed it to me with some stinging invective
regarding Tom Rhodes, the byliner's, breathtaking ignorance of Jasenovac.
Or - as I strongly suspect ! - even worse...

A little later I got this message from a guy in Chicago and glanced at it, without reading
it all, naturally assuming someone else had picked-up on the "MOSTLY JEWS" - (!!!) bit.

BUT NO !... look for yourself ! The only thing Mr Maher quarrels with is the arithmatic -
NO MENTION OF THE SERBS AT ALL !

Even the significance of what the the Simon Wiesenthal Foundation had to say goes right
over his head - though apparently no wise-ups were forthcoming from this Mr Zurov...

If we're not careful Jasenovac is going to be presented to a largely ignorant world as
"just one more" Nazi "holocaust" death camp - with the Serbian suffering at the hands of
the Ustashe written right out of its history !

Just to show them that their, well... (inaccuracies...?) have been spotted I will write to
the Ottawa Citizen. And I suggest as many more of us as possible do the same - PDQ ! - as well...
JJ

John Jay
London Anti-NATO Clinic
ppdscat@...

PS: -  Here's the Home Page...
"OTTAWA CITIZEN" - http://www.ottawacitizen.com/

and the contacts...
Letters letters@...

Scott Anderson
Editor 596-8503 sanderson@...
Lynn McAuley
Managing Editor 596-3535 lmcauley@...
Don Butler
Exec. Editor 596-3671 dbutler@...
David Guy
News Editor  596-8808 dguy@...
Derek Shelly
Night News Editor  596-3662 dshelly@...
Christina Spencer
Editorial Pages Editor  596-3786 cspencer@...

Here's the note to me about the article - and what Maher quotes, he quotes correctly !
----------
From: john_peter maher <jpmaher@...>
To: john jay <ppdscat@...>
Subject: re "Croatia's Auschwitz: Jasenovac" (Sep 10)
- letter to Ottawa Citizen
Date: Tue, Sep 12, 2000, 10:16 am
 

12 September 2000

To the Editor
Ottawa Citizen

Tom Rhodes has the facts wrong on Croatia's WW  II death camp at Jasenovac. He incorrectly writes

"Up to 700,000 people, mostly Jews, are thought to have been killed by the Ustashe,
many of them at the Jasenovac concentration camp."

In a discussion I had in September 1997 with Ephraim Zurov of the Jerusalem office of the
Simon Wiesenthal Foundation I put at 30,000 the number of Jews murdered at Jasenovac,
Mr Zurov corrected me. Too high, he said; in 1941 "there were only 20,000 Jews in Croatia."

Tom Rhodes phraseological spin  "... are thought to have been killed..." can only be meant to
implant doubt about what is hardly speculative. The number of victims bludgeoned, burned, tortured, and literally butchered at Croatia's Auschwitz range from "only" 400,000 to 700,000. Croatia's Nazis, the Ustashas, themselves bragged that they had annihilated one million "enemies".

Unless editors correct "journalist" Rhodes's misleading article," the Ottawa Citizen can plead incompetence at best, but more likely mendacious holocaust revisionism.

J. P. Maher
Emeritus

Chicago
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


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#8370 From: john_peter maher <jpmaher@...>
Date: Tue Sep 12, 2000 5:02 pm
Subject: Re: Fw: re Croatia's Auschwitz: Jasenovac -- letter to Ottawa Citizen
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My letter leaves the editor and reader to ask: "who were the victims, then?".

Since no answer was forthcoming from Ottawa, I'll fill in the blank for them. Ther will be, again, no response.

j p m
 

angelina markovic wrote:


----- Original Message -----
From: John Jay
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 17:13Subject: FW: re Croatia's Auschwitz: Jasenovac -- letter to Ottawa Citizen
LISTMEMBERS WRITE TO THE "OTTAWA CITIZEN" ASAP ABOUT THIS (e-mails below)



[Stealing their history, their pain and their suffering - just another
suble part of the ongoing racial demonization of the Serbs !]


I was sent an article (apparently published in the Ottawa Citizen) myself earlier today,
and immediately contacted the people who e-mailed it to me with some stinging invective
regarding Tom Rhodes, the byliner's, breathtaking ignorance of Jasenovac.
Or - as I strongly suspect ! - even worse...

A little later I got this message from a guy in Chicago and glanced at it, without reading
it all, naturally assuming someone else had picked-up on the "MOSTLY JEWS" - (!!!) bit.

BUT NO !... look for yourself ! The only thing Mr Maher quarrels with is the arithmatic -
NO MENTION OF THE SERBS AT ALL !

Even the significance of what the the Simon Wiesenthal Foundation had to say goes right
over his head - though apparently no wise-ups were forthcoming from this Mr Zurov...

If we're not careful Jasenovac is going to be presented to a largely ignorant world as
"just one more" Nazi "holocaust" death camp - with the Serbian suffering at the hands of
the Ustashe written right out of its history !

Just to show them that their, well... (inaccuracies...?) have been spotted I will write to
the Ottawa Citizen. And I suggest as many more of us as possible do the same - PDQ ! - as well...
JJ

John Jay
London Anti-NATO Clinic
ppdscat@...

PS: -  Here's the Home Page...
"OTTAWA CITIZEN" - http://www.ottawacitizen.com/

and the contacts...
Letters letters@...

Scott Anderson
Editor 596-8503 sanderson@...
Lynn McAuley
Managing Editor 596-3535 lmcauley@...
Don Butler
Exec. Editor 596-3671 dbutler@...
David Guy
News Editor  596-8808 dguy@...
Derek Shelly
Night News Editor  596-3662 dshelly@...
Christina Spencer
Editorial Pages Editor  596-3786 cspencer@...

Here's the note to me about the article - and what Maher quotes, he quotes correctly !
----------
From: john_peter maher <jpmaher@...>
To: john jay <ppdscat@...>
Subject: re "Croatia's Auschwitz: Jasenovac" (Sep 10)
- letter to Ottawa Citizen
Date: Tue, Sep 12, 2000, 10:16 am
 

12 September 2000

To the Editor
Ottawa Citizen

Tom Rhodes has the facts wrong on Croatia's WW  II death camp at Jasenovac. He incorrectly writes

"Up to 700,000 people, mostly Jews, are thought to have been killed by the Ustashe,
many of them at the Jasenovac concentration camp."

In a discussion I had in September 1997 with Ephraim Zurov of the Jerusalem office of the
Simon Wiesenthal Foundation I put at 30,000 the number of Jews murdered at Jasenovac,
Mr Zurov corrected me. Too high, he said; in 1941 "there were only 20,000 Jews in Croatia."

Tom Rhodes phraseological spin  "... are thought to have been killed..." can only be meant to
implant doubt about what is hardly speculative. The number of victims bludgeoned, burned, tortured, and literally butchered at Croatia's Auschwitz range from "only" 400,000 to 700,000. Croatia's Nazis, the Ustashas, themselves bragged that they had annihilated one million "enemies".

Unless editors correct "journalist" Rhodes's misleading article," the Ottawa Citizen can plead incompetence at best, but more likely mendacious holocaust revisionism.

J. P. Maher
Emeritus

Chicago
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


===============
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page at http://www.egroups.com/group/sorabia
for more informations about current situation in Serbia http://sorabia.home.dhs.org
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#8369 From: "angelina markovic" <ninam@...>
Date: Tue Sep 12, 2000 4:34 pm
Subject: Fw: Beatification angers Jews and liberals
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rade Petrovic" <tcrade@...>
To: "vesti" <sn-vesti@...>
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 07:07
Subject: [sn-vesti 10383] Beatification angers Jews and liberals


The Guardian

Beatification angers Jews and liberals



                                                 Pope puts ill-matched
                                                 forerunners on the path to
                                                 sainthood

                                                 Rory Carroll in Rome
                                                 Saturday September 2, 2000

                                                 Ignoring protests from Jews
and
                                                 liberal Roman Catholics, the
                                                 Pope will beatify one of his
                                                 predecessors, Pius IX,
today,
                                                 despite the fact that he is
                                                 accused of anti-semitism,
                                                 kidnapping and persecution.

                                                 Putting Pius IX on the road
to
                                                 sainthood will reopen old
wounds
                                                 and put an unbearable strain
on
                                                 Jewish-Catholic relations,
the
                                                 Pope's critics have warned.

                                                 The last pope-king, who
reigned
                                                 from 1846 to 1878, Pius IX
was
                                                 notorious for herding Rome's
                                                 Jews into a ghetto, forcibly
                                                 baptising their children,
and
                                                 limiting their education and
                                                 employment rights. At his
funeral
                                                 Italian liberals tried to
throw his
                                                 body into the Tiber.

                                                 Ultra-conservatives in the
Vatican
                                                 are believed to have
championed
                                                 his nomination to counter
the
                                                 simultaneous beatification
of
                                                 John XXIII, who ushered in
the
                                                 liberalisation of the Roman
                                                 church with the second
Vatican
                                                 council in 1962.

                                                 Under the headline "A
                                                 beatification too far", the
British
                                                 Catholic weekly the Tablet
said it
                                                 was a political attempt to
provide
                                                 a conservative and
reactionary
                                                 counterweight.

                                                 Liberals complained that a
pontiff
                                                 who executed criminals and
                                                 attacked human rights was
being
                                                 held up as a role model.

                                                 Pius IX issued the Syllabus
of
                                                 Errors - 80 points
denouncing
                                                 the separation of church and
                                                 state, progress, and modern
                                                 civilisation - and
promulgated the
                                                 dogmas of papal
infallibility and
                                                 the Virgin Mary's immaculate
                                                 conception.

                                                 Most of the 200,000 people
                                                 expected in St Peter's
Square will
                                                 be honouring John XXIII,
revered
                                                 in Italy as the "good pope"
who
                                                 breathed fresh air into the
                                                 church.

                                                 Scholars are uncertain how
John
                                                 Paul II will combine
tributes to
                                                 predecessors said to be
popes
                                                 apart.

                                                 Traditionalists praised the
                                                 noble-born Pius IX for his
                                                 courage in defending the
church
                                                 from the tumult of
revolutionary
                                                 Europe, which effectively
made
                                                 him a prisoner in the
Vatican. He
                                                 should not be judged by
                                                 standards outside his time,
they
                                                 argued.

                                                 Jewish groups will hold a
                                                 candle-light demonstration
in
                                                 Rome tonight, but they are
not
                                                 expected to try to disrupt
                                                 tomorrow's ceremony.

                                                 Pius IX is notorious for
snatching
                                                 the six-year-old Jewish boy
                                                 Edgardo Mortara from his
family
                                                 in Bologna in 1858, four
years
                                                 after he was baptised by a
maid
                                                 who feared for his soul.

                                                 The case became a cause
                                                 celebre, but appeals by
world
                                                 leaders failed to move Pius,
who
                                                 raised Edgardo as his own
son.
                                                 He became a priest and died
in
                                                 1940, allegedly mentally
scarred.

                                                 Elena Mortara, Edgardo's
                                                 great-great niece, said Pius
had
                                                 caused profound suffering in
her
                                                 family and community by
actions
                                                 regarded as shocking even in
his
                                                 own time.

                                                 Elan Steinberg of the World
                                                 Jewish Congress questioned
why
                                                 John Paul, who has devoted
                                                 much of his 22-year
pontificate
                                                 to reaching out to Jews,
should
                                                 now choose to undermine
                                                 reconciliation.

                                                 "We have a paradox here,"
she
                                                 said.

                                                 Seymour Reich, chairman of
the
                                                 International Jewish
Committee
                                                 for Interreligious
Consultations,
                                                 said: "Today, after almost a
                                                 century and a half, the
Italian
                                                 Jewish community remains
                                                 embittered by that assault
on
                                                 Judaism and parenthood.

                                                 "If saintliness is seen as
the
                                                 goodness, wisdom and courage
                                                 to behave righteously and
right
                                                 wrongs regardless of when
they
                                                 occur, then Pius IX's
conduct
                                                 falls far short of
saintliness."

                                                 A proposal to beatify Pius
IX in
                                                 1985 was shelved after two
                                                 senior cardinals and
official
                                                 biographers suggested that
he
                                                 was unsuitable.

                                                 But in the Italian media,
criticism
                                                 of his beatification has
been
                                                 swamped by enthusiasm for
the
                                                 rapid beatification of the
                                                 peasant-born John XXIII.
                                                 Ribbons and balloons festoon
his
                                                 home town, Bergamo.

                                                 Insiders said the Vatican
wanted
                                                 to twin his beatification
with the
                                                 wartime Pius XII, but the
plan
                                                 was abandoned after renewed
                                                 controversy over his failure
to
                                                 speak out against the
Holocaust.

                                                 According to one diplomat,
Israel
                                                 has not intervened in the
case of
                                                 Pius IX because it suspects
that
                                                 there will be another
attempt to
                                                 beatify Pius XII and wants
to
                                                 keep its powder dry.

                                                 John Paul II's eagerness to
                                                 supply Catholic role models
has
                                                 produced what critics call a
"saint
                                                 factory". Since his election
in
                                                 1978 he has beatified and
                                                 canonised more than 1,200
                                                 candidates: more than all
his 20th
                                                 century predecessors
combined.

#8368 From: "angelina markovic" <ninam@...>
Date: Tue Sep 12, 2000 4:20 pm
Subject: Fw: re Croatia's Auschwitz: Jasenovac -- letter to Ottawa Citizen
ninam@...
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----- Original Message -----
From: John Jay
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 17:13
Subject: FW: re Croatia's Auschwitz: Jasenovac -- letter to Ottawa Citizen


LISTMEMBERS WRITE TO THE "OTTAWA CITIZEN" ASAP ABOUT THIS (e-mails below)

[Stealing their history, their pain and their suffering - just another
suble part of the ongoing racial demonization of the Serbs !]

I was sent an article (apparently published in the Ottawa Citizen) myself earlier today,
and immediately contacted the people who e-mailed it to me with some stinging invective
regarding Tom Rhodes, the byliner's, breathtaking ignorance of Jasenovac.
Or - as I strongly suspect ! - even worse...

A little later I got this message from a guy in Chicago and glanced at it, without reading
it all, naturally assuming someone else had picked-up on the "MOSTLY JEWS" - (!!!) bit.  

BUT NO !... look for yourself ! The only thing Mr Maher quarrels with is the arithmatic -
NO MENTION OF THE SERBS AT ALL !

Even the significance of what the the Simon Wiesenthal Foundation had to say goes right
over his head - though apparently no wise-ups were forthcoming from this Mr Zurov...
 
If we're not careful Jasenovac is going to be presented to a largely ignorant world as
"just one more" Nazi "holocaust" death camp - with the Serbian suffering at the hands of
the Ustashe written right out of its history !  

Just to show them that their, well... (inaccuracies...?) have been spotted I will write to
the Ottawa Citizen. And I suggest as many more of us as possible do the same - PDQ ! - as well...
JJ

John Jay
London Anti-NATO Clinic
ppdscat@...  

PS: -  Here's the Home Page...
"OTTAWA CITIZEN" - http://www.ottawacitizen.com/

and the contacts...
Letters letters@...
Scott Anderson
Editor 596-8503 sanderson@...
Lynn McAuley
Managing Editor 596-3535 lmcauley@...
Don Butler
Exec. Editor 596-3671 dbutler@...
David Guy
News Editor  596-8808 dguy@...
Derek Shelly
Night News Editor  596-3662 dshelly@...
Christina Spencer
Editorial Pages Editor  596-3786 cspencer@...

Here's the note to me about the article - and what Maher quotes, he quotes correctly !
----------
From: john_peter maher <jpmaher@...>
To: john jay <ppdscat@...>
Subject: re "Croatia's Auschwitz: Jasenovac" (Sep 10)
- letter to Ottawa Citizen
Date: Tue, Sep 12, 2000, 10:16 am


12 September 2000

To the Editor
Ottawa Citizen

Tom Rhodes has the facts wrong on Croatia's WW  II death camp at Jasenovac. He incorrectly writes
"Up to 700,000 people, mostly Jews, are thought to have been killed by the Ustashe,
many of them at the Jasenovac concentration camp."

In a discussion I had in September 1997 with Ephraim Zurov of the Jerusalem office of the
Simon Wiesenthal Foundation I put at 30,000 the number of Jews murdered at Jasenovac,
Mr Zurov corrected me. Too high, he said; in 1941 "there were only 20,000 Jews in Croatia."

Tom Rhodes phraseological spin  "... are thought to have been killed..." can only be meant to
implant doubt about what is hardly speculative. The number of victims bludgeoned, burned, tortured, and literally butchered at Croatia's Auschwitz range from "only" 400,000 to 700,000. Croatia's Nazis, the Ustashas, themselves bragged that they had annihilated one million "enemies".

Unless editors correct "journalist" Rhodes's misleading article," the Ottawa Citizen can plead incompetence at best, but more likely mendacious holocaust revisionism.

J. P. Maher
Emeritus

Chicago








#8367 From: "angelina markovic" <ninam@...>
Date: Tue Sep 12, 2000 3:43 pm
Subject: Fw: D&FA Strategic Policy, April 2000 ------- Chechnya using terrorism, West and bin Laden
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Defense & Foreign Affairs Strategic Policy, April 2000, p. 13
The Caucasus
By Yossef Bodansky, Senior Editor


[Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri is over all the training and terrorist camps in
Bosnia. A chapter from Bodansky's book, Some Call it Peace: Waiting for War
in the Balkans, naming all the locations, was posted on Sn-vesti several
weeks ago.]


Chechnya Prepares for a "Third War," Using Terrorism, the West and bin Laden

Highly-reliable sources indicate that the mujahedin and other Islamist
forces
in Chechnya are preparing for a major escalation and expansion in the
fighting. Terrorism into the heart of Russia, support from the West, and
fresh support from the Osama bin Laden organization are three key elements
of
the new war.

Oleg Odnokolenko of the Moscow newspaper Segodnya was right when, on April
10, 2000, he called the forthcoming escalation "the start of a fundamentally
new war: a full-scale third Chechen war." As was the case with the previous
Chechen wars, the Islamist leadership and the local senior commanders -
particularly Shamil Basayev and Khattab - consider terrorist strikes at the
heart of Russia and, should the need arise, support from the West to be
their
winning weapons. Their most recent preparations suggest an intent to this
time go way beyond another round of Moscow bombing. The Chechens' new
resolve
and capabilities can be attributed to the recent sharp changes in the health
of Osama bin Laden, particularly his kidneys.

In the early Winter of 1999-2000, bin Laden's health deteriorated markedly.
He suffered debilitating pain that evolved into bouts of depression. In
January 2000, bin Laden's overall situation deteriorated to the point that
his closest confidantes feared imminent debilitation or even death. Arab
doctors rushed to Qandahar from the Persian Gulf prescribed complex
treatment
that could not be found in either Afghanistan or even Pakistan.
Consequently,
Dr Ayman al-Zawahiri resigned from the leadership of the Egyptian Islamic
Jihad in order to devote himself to the bin Laden organization. Zawahiri,
who
was one of Egypt's leading pediatricians before he became immersed in the
Islamist Jihad movement and went underground, also increasingly involved
himself in bin Laden's health.

In January 2000, Dr al-Zawahiri arranged for an Iraqi doctor to examine bin
Laden in Afghanistan. The Iraqi doctor prescribed a treatment involving
dialyses, a series of shots and intravenous medicine-delivery, as well as an
assortment of rear medications. A thorough search of Afghanistan led to the
discovery of a Soviet dialysis machine and related equipment in the basement
of a now-destroyed Kabul hospital originally built for the late President
Najib and the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan (DRA) elite. Dr Zawahiri
relied on his long-time connections with the Chechen Mafiya, which go back
to
early 1990s and cemented in his late 1996/early 1997 clandestine visit to
Chechnya and Dagestan, to have them find and quickly deliver the spare parts
for the Soviet dialysis machine and other medical equipment the Iraqi doctor
required.

To avoid detection, the Chechen Mafiya smuggled the equipment from Russia
and
Central Asian states to Iran, ostensibly to a Tehran institution affiliated
with the Iranian HizbAllah. Zawahiri then sent a three-man delegation to
Tehran to deliver the dialysis equipment and some essential medicines along
with a local specialist physician who volunteered to join the team treating
bin Laden. The Iraqi doctor returned to Afghanistan in early February. Bin
Laden was then moved to his forward headquarters near Sarobi, Laghman
province (between Kabul and Jalalabad), where the medical equipment was
installed.

The medical team led by the Iraqi doctor and Dr Zawahiri got to work, and
within a month or so got bin Laden back on his feet to the point that he
could attend brief meetings with guests at the Jalalabad area as of late
February. Meanwhile, the intensive medical treatment continued in March as
well. In late March 2000, bin Laden was healthy enough to make a rare public
appearance. He attended a high-level meeting with the Taliban leadership
convened in Laghman province in order to discuss US President Bill Clinton's
forthcoming visit to Pakistan. According to witnesses, bin Laden appeared
quite frail; his face looked weak and his beard bigger than usual. But he
was
well-informed, active and lucid throughout the lengthy meeting. A team of
medics and more than 100 armed guards, mostly Arabs, surrounded bin Laden
all
the time.

Meanwhile, the Chechen leadership capitalized on the sense of gratitude felt
by bin Laden and Dr Zawahiri. Former Chechen President Zelimkhan
Yandarbayev,
Maskhadov's emissary to Pakistan and Afghanistan, was nominated Chechnya's
ambassador to Afghanistan. He then traveled to Kabul, ostensibly to
inaugurate the new Chechen Embassy, along with the Taliban Foreign Minister
Wakil Ahmad Mutawwakil. This was only a flimsy excuse since the Taliban's
real capital is in Qandahar where the Chechens already maintain a group of
emissaries. On his way from Pakistan to Kabul, Yandarbayev stopped in the
Sarobi area where he held crucial discussions with both Mullah Omar and bin
Laden on a marked increase in support for the Chechen war effort.
Yandarbayev
delivered a special message from the Chechen leadership to bin Laden,
congratulating him on his recent recovery and thus reminding him that he
"owed" the Chechens.

The Chechens' message was not lost on the Afghans and Arabs attending the
meeting with Yandarbayev. The Taliban authorized a massive recruitment and
training effort in Afghanistan and Pakistan for mujahedin to be sent to the
Caucasus. They agreed that most of these would-be mujahedin were to be
trained in the regular camps throughout eastern Afghanistan. However, a
cadre
of elite terrorists - a mix of Afghan and Pakistani, Central Asian and
Caucasian mujahedin - would receive intense and highly-specialized training
in a specially-converted military camp called Kargha-1, some 12km north of
Kabul. "We know that there are Chechens out there and also people from other
[former-Soviet] countries receiving training," noted a senior Pakistani
Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) official. Concurrently, bin Laden's people
and the Taliban arranged for an accelerated flow of expert terrorists,
mainly
combat hardened commanders, to filll the ranks of the Chechen forces
depleted
in the latest Russian offensives. Most important was bin Laden's assignment
of expert terrorist networks in Russia and the West to conduct spectacular
strikes against Russian objectives in order to build domestic and
international pressure on Moscow to withdraw from the Caucasus.

Little wonder, then, that in early April 2000 the Chechen leadership appears
confident in its ability to resume offensive operations against the Russian
forces not only in southern Chechnya but throughout the entire Caucasus, and
at the heart of Russia.

Basayev and Khattab conferred with senior commanders - both Chechens and
volunteer "Afghans" and "Bosniaks" - and issued orders for a major
escalation
in and beyond Chechnya. On April 9, 2000, Shamil Basayev inspected several
recently-reconstituted bases and mujahedin units in southern and eastern
Chechnya. These forces were completing preparations for what Basayev called
"the beginning of the Spring-Summer military campaign." He noted the
mujahedin's high morale and fighting spirit In an address to local
commanders, Basayev said that Chechen forces now had "enough strength and
means to deal a decisive blow to the enemy and destroy it." Basayev rejected
a negotiated settlement with Moscow and stressed that "the enemy will be
attacked by all available means until the Russian aggressors are expelled
from the territory of the independent Chechen Republic of Ichkeria." In
response to a subsequent question from one of the local commanders, Basayev
elaborated that "the invaders will have to be first evicted from Chechnya
[by
force]" before the "peace treaty" Pres. Aslan Maskhadov had mentioned might
be negotiated with Moscow.

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Date: Tue Sep 12, 2000 3:41 pm
Subject: Fw: ARIEL SHARON - Baraks failure to deliver
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SEPTEMBER 1, 2000
* ARIEL SHARON - Barak's failure to deliver
*Barak's failure to deliver

By ARIEL SHARON
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Prime Minister Ehud Barak's "unity offensive" is in full swing:
preparations,
conjecture, analyses, and purported emissaries conducting secret
negotiations
in the dark of night.
           Hogwash.
           It's nothing but virtual unity, for gaining room to maneuver. All
the publicity is anesthesia and pressure aimed at the political parties,
while Barak continues negotiating towards his concessions agreement with
Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat.
           Barak has not approached me since the inception of the "unity
government negotiations." It should be obvious that because of Barak's
concessions, especially  on Jerusalem, and because of his poor record on
internal matters, there is no point in joining this government. The only way
out is to move elections forward and move this government out - as quickly
as
possible.
           The Likud will never join a government that adopts the
understandings and agreements reached by Barak at Camp David. We will never
agree to divide Jerusalem. We will never abandon the Jordan Valley,
compromise on security areas, evacuate the settlements, allow Palestinians
to
"return," give up control of our water resources, or leave the Golan.
           We will join a government to achieve national aims. We will not
join a government to help Barak shore up his disintegrating administration.
The Likud is not a default; it is the national choice over a government that
has lost its way and broken its promises.
           We have had 16 months of broken promises. Enough! This is no way
to
run a country. Israel is sick of politicians and public figures who cannot
deliver.
           During his election campaign, Barak promised the nation "one
Israel." However, now he is aiming towards division through enforced
legislation.
           The Likud is pro-constitution, but that constitution must be
arrived at through agreement, not coercion. Barak is fracturing the nation
in
a desperate effort to stay in control. And that is his big mistake.
           It is vital to stress that the Likud does not wish to destroy the
government. The Likud seeks to prevent a rift in the nation. And therefore,
the Likud supports those reforms that foster unity and consensus but will
adamantly oppose those who instigate divisiveness.

           WHAT ABOUT Barak's new socioeconomic order? Let's take a look at
the list of his election promises, all of which have blown away in the wind:
Barak promised that an "undivided Jerusalem is the eternal capital of the
State of Israel. There will be no compromise on this principle." But
compromise he did, to the point of willingness to divide the city. Arafat's
intransigence is the only thing standing in his way.
           Barak promised free education for three- to four-year-olds, a long
school day for all, and incentives for advancing the educational system in
national priority and urban renewal areas.
           He promised, but did not deliver.
           Barak promised full tax and National Insurance exemptions for
minimum wage employees. Promised, but did not deliver.
           Barak promised to "encourage factories creating jobs in high
unemployment areas." But unemployment has gotten worse in Sderot, Mitzpe
Ramon, Kiryat Shmona, and several other areas.
           Barak promised tax reform. Where is it now?
           Barak promised changes in the Tal bill, the law that exempts
haredim from military service. He backed down.
           Barak promised to distribute state resources according to national
criteria and aims, instead of factional interests and political pressure.
But
he quickly caved in to political pressure.
           Prime Minister Barak promised, but didn't deliver. Credibility, it
would seem, is not his strong suit.
           Furthermore, democracy is in danger because there is no
government.
The prime minister does not have a majority. He is trying to ignore the
Knesset and carries out mass political firings. The state is trying to take
over the Broadcasting Authority, just like in mostly totalitarian countries,
and is planning a Russian television channel to disseminate propaganda to
immigrants from the former Soviet Union who are repelled by Barak's policy.
           Barak promised a "different kind of politics," strengthening the
Knesset, and presenting his policy to the public "without adornment."
           All promises, but no delivery.
           So I ask Barak: Now that your promises are gone, where are you
going? Tricks won't work. Coalition maneuvers not aimed at forming a
functioning government will not help. Even Machiavelli can't save you.
           Worst of all, contrary to his promise, Barak has raised his hand
against Jerusalem, and anyone who does that must be supplanted.
           We all want peace. We are all committed to peace. But we must act
to bring about a better peace, a safer peace, a peace for the generations, a
peace with an undivided Jerusalem as the eternal capital.

           The writer is chairman of the Likud.

(c) 2000 The Jerusalem Post

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Date: Tue Sep 12, 2000 3:36 pm
Subject: Fw: TIMES: Bosnia Opens Door To Europe For Immigrants
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On Bosia, I wrote on many occasions that Saudi Arabia wanted the first
Islamic
country in the belly of Europe, so the tit-for-tat was, "we'll give you
Bosnia
(your Muslim corridor into Europe) and you give us your oil and your money."

Recall that the day AFTER the Saudis agreed to buy $6 billion dollars
worth of Boeing aircraft, we bombed the Bosnian Serbs.  Coincidence?  I
think not.  Furthermore, we bombed the Serbs based on the Markale
Marketplace
massacre which the U.N. confirmed was committed by Bosnian Muslim forces.

In an interview with Dutch Groot.Bilgaarden, DE STANDAARD, (16 October
1995),
then President Radovan Karadzic had this to say:

"The West will not remain proud of what it has done to the Serbs.  Certainly
now that you are heading for serious problems with Islamic terrorists.  We
will
no longer protect Europe against Islamic terrorism.  Let them go, to Europe,
(the Bosnian Muslims).  They look like Europeans.  And they take pride
in the fact that with their European appearance they are exceptionally
efficient
terrorists.  Europe wanted an Islamic country here. Let them have it!"

Stella

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THE TIMES (London)
August 31 2000

EUROPE

PHOTO:
A group of Iranian immigrants arriving at
Sarajevo airport yesterday on a flight from Tehran
Photograph: PETER NICHOLLS

Bosnia opens door to Europe for immigrants

BY DANIEL MCGRORY IN SARAJEVO

A SENIOR United Nations official watched another planeload of
Iranians fly into Sarajevo airport on what is becoming an almost
daily smuggling run: "There should be a sign on the tarmac
saying 'Welcome to Bosnia - the open backdoor to Fortress
Europe'," he said yesterday.

"Nobody in Bosnia is lifting a finger to stop this trafficking which
is growing by the day. There is no visa control, no border
security and the UN stands by powerless to intervene," he
added.

International investigators believe up to 10,000 migrants a month
are arriving here by air and road and then smuggled through
Bosnia's largely unguarded borders on their way to the main
European capitals. Organised gangs are using war-ravaged
Bosnia as the centre of their smuggling operation to get
thousands of illegal immigrants into Britain.

Investigators say Turkish Kurds, Chinese and Iranians make up
the greatest number but in the past month police in the region
have found illegal immigrants from Sri Lanka, Bangladesh,
Pakistan and a number of Russian states.

It was through Bosnia's winding mountain roads that the 56
Chinese immigrants made the journey to Britain that ended with
them suffocating and dying in the back of a container truck on its
way to Dover docks in June.

Illegal immigrants are told they face little risk of arrest or
deportation from Bosnia, which has no detention centre for
migrants and complains it cannot afford effectively to police its
territory. Only about 100 miles out of its 1,000 miles of border is
guarded.

UN officials say the organised crime rings are getting help from
governments in the region. They accuse President Milosevic's
regime in Belgrade of complicity in this trafficking operation along
with high-ranking figures in Bosnia-Herzegovina. Neighbouring
authorities, such as those in Montenegro, claim President
Milosevic is making money by selling passports from the Federal
Republic of Yugoslavia to Chinese migrants.

Jacques Klein, the head of the UN Mission in Bosnia, said: "We
estimate there are 42,000 Chinese waiting in Belgrade to come
across here and on to Europe. Milosevic has already sold 25,000
Yugoslav passports to the Chinese, which makes his regime
money and greatly upsets his enemies in Western Europe".

Yugoslav police and troops have been caught helping to smuggle
migrants out of its territory. They admit being bribed by the
smuggling gangs to ensure safe passage.Earlier this month two
Yugoslav military police were caught driving a van full of 25
Chinese migrants into Montenegro. They were found only
because when the van slowed down at the border checkpoint, the
Chinese were heard screaming and banging on the sides of the
vehicle begging for fresh air. Doctors who examined the weak and
dehydrated group said they would have suffocated within 15
minutes had they not been caught.

The two officers confessed they had been paid DM500 ( 170)
each for their leg of the journey and said it was regarded by the
military police as a regular perk to augment their paltry incomes.

Diplomats in Sarajevo say this increase in trafficking is causing
dangerous new regional tensions. Croatia has caught 10,000
illegal immigrants in the first six months of this year but says it
cannot bear the cost of Bosnia's "open door".

Rival ethnic gangs from Serbia, Croatia and Bosnia are working
together on this smuggling operation. M Klein said: "The only
place where there is real co-operation and reconciliation among
the old rivals is among the racketeers who are hand in hand in
getting illegal immigrants across each other's borders and onto
Slovenia, Italy, Hungary and Austria.

"Once they used these routes to smuggle guns in the war. Now
it's people and it is very, very profitable and less risky than
trafficking drugs."

What angers the UN is that some senior politicians in Bosnia
know who some of the ringleaders are and do little to stop this
trade in human cargo.

The reason given by the authorities for their impotence is that,
impoverished by years of war, they do not have the money to
enforce border controls. Western diplomats are not impressed,
believing the mafia groups are too powerful.

In recent months the International Organisation for Migration
(IMO) has launched an investigation into Bosnia's role in
trafficking. They persuaded Bosnian police at Sarajevo airport to
start keeping a record of the charter flights carrying what are
claimed to be holidaymakers. In the past eight weeks 2,905 Turks
arrived and yet only 513 left. The statistics were the same for
Iranian arrivals, with 3,469 entering Bosnia but only 312 using
their return ticket.

The fiasco of efforts made to stem this tide was shown last month
when a charter flight from Kiev landed at Mostar, carrying 100 Sri
Lankans.They claimed to be pilgrims on their way to the Roman
Catholic shrine at Medugorije. None of them had the correct
travel documents but the only action police took was to seize
their bogus documents while they investigated who organised
the trip. Only two returned to pick up their passports while the
rest have never been seen again.The IMO investigators say there
is no doubt the so-called Snakehead gangs are operating
throughout the Balkans. They are taking advantage of
Yugoslavia's ever-closer links with Beijing which means visitors
from China have no trouble getting into Belgrade.

Three young Chinese women yesterday stood in the shadows of
the Presidency Building selling jewellery, pirate CDs and silk
underwear out of carrier bags, ignored by security police in the
heart of the Bosnian capital. Nervously the trio kept glancing
over at each other, desperate not to be identified, as they will be
moving out of here as fast as they can.

London is their preferred option but where they end up - and
what they must do to survive - is a matter of chance.

Yesterday police retrieved the bodies of four Iranians from the
river that separates Bosnia and Croatia. Officers were searching
for more possible victims after a boat carrying at least ten illegal
would-be immigrants capsized in the Sava. The find raised the
official death toll to seven, including two children, since the
ill-fated crossing on Tuesday. Although seven survivors have
been detained by police on the Croatian bank and one was in
custody on the Bosnian side, it remained unclear how many
illegal aliens had tried to cross over the border into Croatia.

Speculation from the UN, which patrols the Bosnian border,
suggested that two more might have drowned. They had
reportedly arrived in Sarajevo on a flight from Istanbul.







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Date: Tue Sep 12, 2000 3:19 pm
Subject: Fw: DNEVNO SAOPSTENJE SNV KIM, 12 septembar 2000
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DNEVNO SAOPSTENJE SNV KIM
Gracanica, 12 septembar 2000
- Zestok verbalni obracun izmedju Rade Trajkovic i Hasima Tacija
- Ministar spoljnih poslova Norveske posetio Gracanicu
- Obnovljen sudski proces napadacima na svestenika Dragana Kojica
- Zabrinutost povodom pisanja Observera
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ZESTOK VERBALNI OBRACUN IZMEDJU RADE TRAJKOVIC I HASIMA TACIJA

Na danasnjem zasedanju PAVK-a u sedistu UNMIK-a u Pristini doslo je do vrlo
dramaticnog verbalnog obracuna izmedju predstavnika SNV KIM Dr. Rade
Trajkovic i Hasima Tacija lidera PDK (Demokratske partije Kosova). Na samom
pocetku sastanka kome su prisustvovali i najvisi predstavnici UNMIK-a Taci
je vrlo zestoko optuzio Dr. Trajkovic i Ibrahima Rugovu da spremaju
materijale protiv lidera bivse OVK koji ce biti predat Haskom Tribunalu.
Taci je iskoristio priliku da napadne Ibrahima Rugovu kao "Milosevicevog
coveka". Ovakva optuzivanja vec su postala redovna pojava u stampi bliskoj
bivsoj OVK koja pokusava da unisti LDK optuzbama za saradnju sa Srbima kao i
sve intenzivnijim politickim nasiljem.


Taci, vidno nervozan, posebno je napao Radu Trajkovic rekavsi da "Kosovo
nikada vise nece biti deo Srbije i da on to nece dozvoliti". Dr. Rada
Trajkovic se upustila u diskusiju sa Tacijem i zestoka verbalna rasprava
trajala je blizu sat vremena. Na poslednju Tacijevu opasku Trajkoviceva je
izjavila da "o statusu Kosova nece odlucivati on niti ljudi slicni njemu
koji su ucestvovali u ubijanju. O statusu ce razgovarati jedna demokratska
Srbija koju priznaje i svet i demokratske snage medju Albancima. Status
Kosova ce odrediti snaga i ubedljivost politickih, istorijskih i etnickih
argumenata, a ne nasilje i teror." Nastavljajuci diskusiju Trajkoviceva je
otvoreno rekla Taciju: "Vreme ljudi koji su oruzjem i smrcu odlucivali je
proslost na Kosovu i Metohiji. Ubice kao ti nece odlucivati. Zasto se toliko
bojis Haga?"

U nastavku svoje diskusije Rada Trajkovic je napravila paralelu izmedju
lidera bivse OVK i Milosevica koji su se izdigli silom i ekstremnim
nacionalizmom i koji uporno zele da sacuvaju vlast i svoje ekonomske
privilegije koje su u medjuvremenu stekli.

"Nazalost na Balkanu narod u poslednje vreme prolazi kroz krizu svoje
sopstvene svesti jer najobicnije ubice i kriminalci postaju heroji i idoli
naroda i vrednuju se po tome koliko je Albanac ubio Srba ili Srbin Albanaca.
Tako ti obicni kriminalci postaju idoli na osnovu broja glava oduzetih iz
tudjeg naroda, ali vremenom takvi pocinuju da ubijaju i sopstveni narod, jer
su oni ti koji smatraju da su merilo patriotizma", naglasila je Dr.
Trajkovic. "Ovo je vidljivo ne samo sa albanske vec i sa srpske strane, sto
poznajem iz iskustva poseldnjih deset godina. Pre deset godina Milosevic se
izdigao na srpskoj zrtvi na Kosovu. Bio je jak i mocan jer je zaista imao
gotovo ceo srpski narod iza sebe. Nakon 10 godina Milosevic vise nema narod
ali je i dalje mocan i opasan. Umesto naroda ima cetri poluge vlasti -
partijsku vojsku, policiju, finansije i klan kriminalaca koji cuvajuci njega
cuvaju sami sebe. I sada taj covek odredjuje ko je koliki patriota i ono sto
nije po njegovom merilu patriotizma mora da nestane. Upravo zato i Taci i
Milosevic vladaju i zele da zadrze vlast na isti nacin, silom."
-----------------------------

MINISTAR SPOLJNIH POSLOVA NORVESKE POSETIO GRACANICU

Danas je manastir Gracanicu posetio norveski ministar spoljnih poslova Espen
Bart Eide (Espen Barth Eide) koji je o trenutnoj politickoj situaciji u
Pokrajini razgovarao sa protosindjelom Savom,  Dusanom Risticem i Draganom
Velicem, predstavnicima SNV KIM. Clanovi veca su norveskom ministru izneli
citav niz pokazatelja da se situacija na Kosovu znacajnije ne popravlja
upravo zato sto ne postoji dovoljno resenosti medjunarodne zajednice da se
suprotstavi teroristima koji su svoj ratni plen institucionalizovali preko
kontrole lokalne vlasti i ekonomije i sada sprovode etnicki i politicki
teror kako protiv Srba tako i protiv umerenijih Albanaca kako bi sacuvali
svoje polozaje. Posebno je razgovarano o potrebi da se preduzmu konkretnije
mere za zastitu Srba na podrucju Kosova Polja i Obilica gde je rasporedjen
norveski kontingent. Na insistiranje vladike Artemija vec su pojacane
patrole i punktovi ali situacija i dalje ostaje veoma teska jer je sve veci
pritisak Albanaca na Srbe da prodaju svoju imovinu i sele se iz ovih
donedavno gotovo potpuno srpskih sredina.


--------------------------------
OBNOVLJEN SUDSKI PROCES NAPADACIMA NA SVESTENIKA KOJICA


Albancima koji su izvrsili oruzani napad na svestenika Dragana Kojica i
dvojicu bogoslova u julu mesecu bice obnovljen sudski proces zahvaljujuci
intervenciji koju je ulozio vladika Artemije i SNV KIM. Naime albanske
sudije su vec sprovele jedan montiran proces gde Srbi cak nisu bili ni
pozvani da svedoce, tako da su se napadaci vec nasli na slobodi i danas
slobodno setaju Vitinom. Na zahtev SNV g. Kusner je imenovao medjunarodnog
tuzioca Mihaila Hartmana (Michael Hartmann) koji ce sam licno voditi ovaj
spor i krivce za ovaj teroristicki napad privseti licu pravde. Srbi su vec u
svedocenjima potvrdili da se radi o napadacima koji su iz vatrenog oruzja
ranili svestenika i dvojicu njegovih saputnika. Napadaci su odmah nakon
napada uhapseni i iz americkog KFOR-a SNV je dobio poverljivu informaciju da
je rec o ljudima koji su bili aktivni ucesnici Tacijeve OVK u vitinskom
kraju i clanovi ozloglasene Vojne policije (PU) koja je u crnim uniformama
sprovodila etnicko ciscenje i likvidaciju Srba. SNV KIM ce i ubuduce traziti
da se angazuju u ovavkim slucajevima medjunarodne sudije buduci da su
albanske sudije najvecim delom potplacene ili su pod pretnjom ako osude
ijednog svog sunarodnika, posebno clana bivse OVK koja jos izaziva strah i
trepet na Kosovu i Metohiji.
--------------
ZABRINUTOST POVODOM PISANJA LONDONSKOG OBSERVERA

SNV KIM je ozbiljno zabrinuto zbog pisanja londosnkog Observera 10.
septembra gde Nicholas Wood reporter iz Pristine iznosi smelu tvrdnju da
americki zvanicnici na Kosovu sakrivaju dokazni materijal o krivnicnoj
odgovornosti jednog od lidera Ramusa Haradinaja. Po tvrdjenju Observera,
Haradinaj je bio jedan od najvaznijih saradnika americke obavestajne sluzbe
na Kosovu u toku rata. Na Kosovu je javna tajna da se sve vise raspiruje i
oruzani sukob izmedju bivsih ratnih drugova OVK i FARK (koji su verni
Ibrahimu Rugovi). Po svedocenju jednog od ratnih vodja FARK-a i bivseg
oficira JNA, Tahira Zemaja (objavljeno u vise nastavaka u listu Bota Sot)
predstavnici FARK-a i Rugovine partije LDK imaju znacajne dokaze o
odgovornosti Ramusa Haradinaja za citav niz ubistava i zlocina ne samo nad
Srbima i Romima vec i mnogim Albancima. Upravo je nedavni sukob Haradinaja i
klana Musaj kod Decana, u kome je Haradinaj ranjen i prebacen potom u
americku bolnicu u Nemackoj, jasan pokazatelj da se sukob nastavlja. Na
PSK-u su predstavnici LDK vec vise puta otvoreno optuzili Haradinaja, inace
jednog od glavnih favorita na predstojecim izborima, da sa svojim bratom
Dautom i ostalim clanovima svog klana organizuje prostituciju, trgovinu
drogom i vrsi niz zlocina na podrucju Metohije. Haradinaj je nedavno boravio
u Vasingtonu na poziv americke administracije, sto je medjunarodna stampa
kritikovala u jednom od prethodnih brojeva. Ukoliko se zaista dokaze da
americka administracija prikriva dokaze o zlocinima lidera OVK to bi moglo
da ima vrlo ozbiljne posledice za ceo politicki proces na Balkanu, pogotovo
za sadasnju americku administraciju
------------------------------------------

Informativna sluzba SNV KiM

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Date: Tue Sep 12, 2000 2:12 pm
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Devedesete
Ziveti slobodno...
Balkanski tango
Plava balada
Stih na asfaltu...
Lege'da o Gedi Gluperdi
Sevdalinka
Kao talas...
Nedostaje mi nasa ljubav...
Naopaka bajka
Dok gori nebo nad Novim Sadom
Mrtvi...
Devedesete




































Devedesete


Mi smo bar imali stare gitare... Poneki bedz na reverima...
Glupo bi zvucalo "Je-Je!" uz sve ove dileje s revolverima...
Al zastavu sezdesetih vezle su gramofonske igle...
I put od zute cigle prostro se pred nas...

Mi smo bar imali razne Ce Gevare... O-o, i vece prevare...
To mladost spiri u dahu kao secer u prahu sa bundevare...
Protesti sedamdesetih vise su bili odraz mode
Jer bokal pun slobode tocen je za nas...

Mi smo bar imali putovanja... Perone, suze, cmakanja...
Crveni pasos bez mane sto prolazi grane bez puno njakanja...
Dnevnici osamdesetih svrljani su na jarke razglednice
Svet je lice sminkao zbog nas...

Mi smo bar imali one snove koji se tesko ostvare...
A snovi najcesce vrede tek kad s tobom osede... Kad s tobom ostare...
Nije bas sve na kantaru... Citavo cudo kupi lova
Ali snova nema piratiranih...

Onda su dosle devedesete, tuzne i nesretne... Opake...
Gospod je barut primirisao pa ladno zbrisao za oblake...
E, kad vec puknu ustave nema nam spasa dok se reke ne zaustave...
No, i taj dan ce svanuti...

Onda su dosle devedesete, tuzne i nesretne... Fobicne...
U udzbenike i u citanke usle su bitange... Obicne...
Kasno je da se panici... Dali smo sansu da se ludilo ozvanici...
A sad smo prosto zgranuti?

Mi smo bar imali neke veze s planetom i sa ljudima...
Znalo se ko togu nosi a ko cvetic u kosi... O, blago ludima...
Danas se laz odvazila... A zadnja bagra kroji moral...
Pa je OK koral dignut oko nas...

Ma, jebite se, Devedesete, vas mogu jedino psovati...
Za vama niko nece zaliti niti vam stihove kovati...
Jednu ste mladost sludele, budite sretne ako vam i strofu udele...
Pred crkvom pravih vrednosti...

Ma, jebite se, Devedesete, i vasa prica je gotova...
I dabogda se nikad ne sete svih ovih protuva i skotova...
Kad zakon metlom zamane... Ili ih pusti da se medusobno tamane...
Sto ima svojih prednosti...



Ziveti slobodno...


Davno ti je vrag zaseo na prag, zemljo Srbijo...
Niko ziv se ne seca tolikih nesreca za jednog vezira...
Oko tebe komsije podizu bedeme jeda i prezira...
Tog jos nije bilo... Ludama je milo... Ostale je stid...

Crne hronike i harmonike... Sitan rock & roll...
Bajke da na kraju ponajbolji ostaju vise ne prolaze...
S tamne strane globusa bolje se vidi da Najbolji odlaze...
Plocnici Toronta... Oci boje fronta... Lozinka svih nas...

Na sta se prica svodi? Parole o slobodi...
Setaci-preletaci? Slaba potpora...
Nije to glava-pismo... Ili jesmo ili nismo?
Ovo srce bubnja vecni tam-tam otpora:

Ziveti slobodno... Svetom se oriti...
Okicen perom sokola... Za urok protiv okova...
Ziveti slobodno... Pesmom pokoriti...
Tvoj steg na svakom gradu je gde ti se neko raduje...

Probati jug ko zrno grozdja sa dlana bogorodice...
Liznuti so sa onog gvozdja za koje vezu brodice...
Slusati vetre kako gude u bele stepske jasene...
Zajtiti vode koje bude gene u nama spasene...

Cim se pomene fantom promene sevnu slemovi
Zali boze matore, oni se zatvore cim gazde podviknu...
Upiru se deca da rodjene oceve od lazi odviknu...
Sta na kraju bidne? Putnici za Sidnej, izlaz taj i taj...

Dokle, bre, da nas voza zli carobnjak iz Oza?
Dokle taj glupi dzoker "Cuti, dobro je"?
Ma, citav plen da skupe, pa ne mogu da vas kupe...
Da vam mladost kao sitan kusur odbroje...

Ziveti slobodno... Svetom se oriti...
Okicen perom sokola, za urok protiv okova...
Ziveti slobodno... Pesmom pokoriti...
Tvoj steg na svakom gradu je gde ti se neko raduje...

Svako je jutro novo usce... Poteci kao recica....
Neka se trnje plete gusce... Nebo je tvoja precica...
I zdrobi lazne dijamante ko ljusku supljeg oraha...
Nek bulevari sveta pamte muziku tvojih koraka...



Balkanski tango


Ovaj zivot je san...
Mala kuca kraj rampe... Snop zuckaste lampe... I zalihe tuge...
Nazalost, ruzan san...
Cale notorni smuk... Keva s daskom za luk... Manekeni za jad...

Sve je morao sam...
Prst na orozu lagan... U srcu uragan... I skok preko duge...
Brum slepera...
I sa dvadeset dve vec je imao sve... Nju je video tad:

Lud sam za tobom, pace, ali lud sam ionako...
Trazim te otkako za sebe znam...
Budi moj ortak, mace, nije mi lako
da svu tu silnu lovu razbucam sam...
Nesto sam nacuo da sutra mozda ne postoji?
Pa bolje da odmah probamo sve...
Za sitan gros kupi me... Razmazi te divlje kupine...

Lud sam za tobom, ali ovo jeste vreme ludih...
I ja cu za nas osedlati strah...
A ti me ljubi do zla... Dok ne izgubim dah...

Ona... Seoski krin...
Nocni bus iz provanse... "Miss Nikakve Sanse"... Tek statista srece...
Presecen film...
Cale, prosvetni mis... Keva, izlizan plis... Sestra ruzna ko vrag...

On je bio njen tip...
Prve noci u dvosed... Pa druge na trosed.... A trece... Ih, trece...
Nek puknu svi...
Kad je njen mladi Don spusti pravo na tron... Kao visnju na slag...

Lud sam za tobom, pace, ali lud sam ionako...

Opet los deja vu...
Jutro mokro ko ribar... I profi kalibar... Pocinilac neznan...
U citulji...
Pune stranice dve... Mafija... I DB... Slozno zale za njim...

Balkanski Tango uvek zavrsi na trotoaru...
Ðavo je kredom upisao bod... A ona lagano niz ulicu staru...
Trazeci sponzora punog ko brod...
Dok klatno tasnice u ritmu hoda broji vreme
i dok je merkaju ko svezi but...
U beli prah smrvi dan... I mrmlja refren odnekud znan:

Lud sam za tobom, ali ovo jeste vreme ludih...
Za nas cu nocas osedlati strah...
A ti me ljubi do zla... Dok ne izgubim dah...



Plava balada


E, moj Plavi... Bio si malo sirov... Al' ipak pravi...
Nikad u dilu s bagrom... Nikom u stranu... Nikome duzan...
Bio si, sve u svemu, dobrom cukom naoruzan...

Sta da pricam, ja danas ne znam nikog ko ti je slican...
Spremnog da, bez racuna, tacno u podne razgrne slabe
I kao Geri Kuper sam izade pred barabe...

Da, tu i tamo setim se devojke po kojoj se znamo...
Cudljivo kisno leto... Sedamdest' koja... Godina raka...
Kad me je skolska ljubav ostavila zbog Murjaka?

Ajd, davno bilo... Otad se sedam mora Dunavom slilo...
Dok jedro mog kaputa burnim su morem terali vetri
Na tvoje epolete sletele su zvezde dve-tri...

I tad su dosli popovi... Pa topovi... Pa lopovi...
I citav svet se izoblicio...
Ispuzali su grabljivci... Pa lazljivci... Snalazljivci...
Al ko je smeo da te podseca sta si...
Dobro se pamti samo prvi u klasi...

Ne znam, Plavi... Meni se cinilo da Beograd slavi...
Veliki uskrs duha... Svi ti grafiti... A onda Kordon...
Pred onom decom ko pred toboz nekom hordom...

Znas sta sledi... Ipak je Ona bila nesto sto vredi...
Pa kad se onog juna nismo potukli zbog njene casti...
Zar cemo sad, zbog ovih ocajnika zeljnih vlasti?

Dogod je ovih frikova sa punom vrecom trikova
Nista sto vredi nece vredeti...
Zar stvarno nema nacina pred najezdom prostacina...
Pa ti si skolovan da hapsis taj Talog
A ne da pustas da ti izdaju nalog...

Sorry, Plavi... Posaljem katkad srce na raport glavi...
Od starog drustva... Nista... Neko je puko, neko je svirno...
Ma. ti si super, brate, ako stvarno spavas mirno...



Stih na asfaltu


Da mi je jos jedared proci Ilicom...
Pa da becarac nasvrljam cirilicom...
Tesko da bi drugi mogli resiti taj hijeroglif,
Al bi Neko znao da sam tu...
Cipelice jedne bele zastale bi i prevele
Stih na asfaltu...

Jednom cu u baladu da se prerusim...
U refren sto se Tamo jos zapevusi...
Pa da minem Starom Vlaskom...
Da joj kosu sklonim daskom...
I za uglom hitro zamaknem...
Da pred nosom strasnog Bana, kao senka Petra Pana
Kapu namaknem...

Preko krova i mansarde, osamucen daljinama...
Da ostavim struk lavande medu njenim haljinama...

Lagano se bore nanose... Malo sta je jos po starom...
Al okice moje sokice madijaju istim zarom...

Ladica djindjuva po nebu prosuta...
U jesen vetar primi miris Bosuta...
Isprva mi nije nista al vec posle par gemista
Dopre izdaleka lagan prim...
Pracen tercom suvog lisca s jednog hrasta kraj Belisca,
Stidljivo, sasvim...

Sto sam joj kog vraga dao belu ruzu samoniklu...
Sto li sam je povezao onaj krug na mom biciklu...

Lagano se bore nanose... Malo sta je jos po starom...
Al' okice moje sokice madjijaju istim zarom...



Lege'da o Gedi Gluperdi


Ovo je prica koju vrlo nerado pricam...
To je prica o antihristu jednom, i raspikuci...
Gedi, takozvanom, sto je silnu zemlju nasledio od pokojnog tece, i sve
spisko...
Bilo je tih slucajova vec i ranije...
Da je neko zemlju potrosio i razbuco...
Al' da je neko nasu zemlju razbuco to jos nismo dozivljavali...
E, tu smo se mi iz familije malko zamislili i metili prst na celo,
mada je bilo i predloga da i Gedi prislonimo stagod na celo, al' to nije
proslo...
Mislim, jos me nije proslo...

Gedo, gluperdo...
Svu si zemlju procerdo...
Sve si spisko... Sram te bio...
Gedo, bekrijo...

Jednom tako Geda iso na vasar...
Za opkladu jaho junca...
Otkad je s tog junca tresno malko usta krivi desno...
Breca se i bunca...


A jednom, opet, Geda iso u teatar...
I gledo komad s onim vitezom i zmajom...
Jos mu tad na pamet palo da se, cim odraste malo,
ozeni azdajom...
I svi mu kazli, ej:

Gedo, gluperdo...
Svu si zemlju procerdo...

Jednom Geda, onda, iso na igranku...
Al ga bubnjar merko mrsko... I drsko...
"Sta me g'edas, ti sa kosom?" E, oma mu je geda nosom svu onu pesnicu
razmsko...
U paramparcad...

Jednom Geda jedva iso u crkvu...
Al i tu se bruko grdno...
Jo, sramote i belaja, istero ga otac-Paja,
Jer je naglas podrigivo...

Gedo, gluperdo...
Svu si zemlju procerdo...

Ovo je druga glava o Gedi pripovedanja...
Geda je... Kako bih ga fizicki opiso... Jako ima ostar pogled...
Moz' seci lubenice njim...
Al drugo mu tupo...
Svu je zemlju slupo...

Jednom zgodom Geda iso da pravi mostic...
Pa prickino palac daskom...
Siso ga, da smanji otok, i smisljo da bolje potok zatrpamo caskom...


Jednom tako Geda nije nigdi iso, za promenu...
Sto nazalost znacilo da smislja neku jos goru bedu...
Uvali se na otoman... Reklo bi se: Al je skroman?
Al mi znamo Gedu...
I svi mu kazu:

Gedo, gluperdo...
Svu si zemlju procerdo...

Jednom davno Geda iso u bijoskop...
Tuzni ruski ratni film ga dirno, svojski...
Sav uplakan rece zeni: E, to vidis, da je meni...
Ratova i vojski!

A jednom tako Geda nijednom nije otiso na sud...
A minuse mu pisu kredom...
Jao, kad se zaparnici, tu sve ima da varnici...
Tesko nama s Gedom...
I svi ce mu reci u glas:

Gedo, gluperdo...
Svu si zemlju procerdo...

Ovo je treca glava o Gedi, bilo bi jos glava...
Geda je ko meksikanska serija sa hepiendom...
Jer, kako god se zavrsi bice hepiend...
Za nas il' za Gedu...


Jednom tako Geda iso na zivce... Jedio komsiluk redom...
I sad, ko je lud najposle? Dali Geda il mi sto se natezemo s Gedom?

Stalno, braso, Geda iso u krajnost...
Osta zemlje tolko samo...
Da mi lepo naseg Gedu, kada pode sve po redu,
Sretno zakopamo...
Na sta ce popa kasti:

Gedo, gluperdo...
Svu si zemlju procerdo...



Sevdalinka


Stagod nocas da zapevam vucice na sevdalinku...
Usnuo sam cobanicu uplakanu u sljiviku...
Grom udari... Planu seno... Rasturi se stado njeno...
Zaplete se dim na uvojku... Rece da se zove Bosna...
Cudno ime za devojku?

Nekom Drina tece desno... Nekom Drina lijevo tece...
Sve da tece u dubinu... Na dve pole svet da sece...
Znam tajni gaz, moje lane... Most se pruzi gde ja stanem...
Sve da vuku me konji vrani... Nema meni jedne strane dok si ti na drugoj
strani...

Osta ovaj stari kompas u grudima... A po polju nikli zabrani...
Crne senke sto se gnezde u ljudima nadlecu me kao gavrani...
Nekada sam putovao po mjesecu... Kroz vilajet pun hajducije...
A sada me oci ljudske plase vise nego vucije...

Stoputa su prijatelji u molitvi pomenuti...
Dal ce mi se radovati? Ili glavu okrenuti?
Sta slagati? Sta im kasti? Svet ne mozes pesmom spasti...
Njine brige me i nocas brinu
Dok se spremam na put kuci... Na put kuci...U tudinu...

Svetom smo se rasipali ko djerdani... Nosili nas nebom cilimi...
Da li su to stvarno bili bolji dani, ili smo to bolji bili mi?
Nekad smo se bratimili po pogledu... Sluteci da isto sanjamo...
I bogu je prosto bilo krstimol' se ili klanjamo...



Kao talas...


Negde se pipnu nasi mali svemiri
Kada vec pomislim da spavas...
Zasumi saten... Tama se uznemiri...
I kao talas naidjes...

U skoljki tvoga pupka leto zimuje...
Tu cuvas mrve sunca za nas...
Sa tvojim dodirom se ceznja rimuje...
Dok kao talas nadires...

I nista vise nije vazno...
Lice sveta zlobno i lazno se raspline za cas...
I niko vise nije bitan...
Svi su samo prezren i sitan pesak ispod nas...

Srebra decembra kuju prsten za tvoj prst...
Niz tvoje sapi zvezda pala...
Zalud te privijam uz sebe, ko uz krst...
Kao talas izmices...

Ostavljas slane kapi bistre...
I jato dobrih mirisa Istre po sobi razvijas...
Ostavljas varljiv zalog pene...
U srcu ove napukle stene koju razbijas...



Nedostaje mi nasa ljubav...


Na jastuku... Bdim na ponocnoj strazi kao stari posustali ratnik
Kom svaki put od riznice neba jedva zapadne mesecev zlatnik...
Pod oklopom drhti kosuta plaha vecno gonjena tamnim obrisima straha
Koja strepi i od mirnih obronaka sna...

Nedostaje mi nasa ljubav, mila... Bez nje se zivot kruni uzalud...
Nedostajes mi ti, kakva si bila... Nedostajem mi ja... Onako lud...
Ja znam da vreme ne voli heroje... I da je svaki hram ukaljalo...
Al meni, eto, nista sem nas dvoje nije valjalo...

Kad potrazim put u srediste sebe, staze bivaju tesnje i tesnje...
I skrijem se u zaklon tvog uha kao mindusa od duple tresnje...
Al uspevam da jos jednom odolim da prosapucem da te nocas ruski volim...
Sta su reci... Kremen sto se izlize kad tad...

Nedostaje mi nasa ljubav, mila... A bez nje ovaj kurjak menja cud...
Nedostajes mi ti, kakva si bila... Nedostajem mi ja... Onako lud...
Ja znam da vreme svemu menja boje... I da je silan sjaj pomracilo...
Al meni, eto, nista sem nas dvoje nije znacilo...

Ponekad jos u moj filcani sesir spustis osmeh ko carobni cekin...
I tad sam svoj... Jer ma kako me zvali ja sam samo tvoj licni Harlekin...
Ponekad jos... Suza razmaze tintu... I ko domina padne zid u lavirintu...
Tako prosto... Ponekad jos stignemo do nas...

Nedostaje mi nasa ljubav, mila... Bez nje uz moje vene puze stud...
Nedostajes mi ti, kakva si bila... Nedostajem mi ja... Onako lud...
Ja znam da vreme uvek uzme svoje... I ne znam sto bi nas postedelo?
Al meni, eto, nista sem nas dvoje nije vredelo...



Naopaka bajka


U suterenu tunel ka nebesima...
Na tankoj gazi jutro mracan goblen tka...
Sumorna lica, nasamo sa gresima...
U hodniku bez povratka...

U crni grm se moja ptica zaplela...
Zaneta titrajima zvezde danice...
I kasni dah dok hladni celik skalpela klizi niz nit brojanice...

Postoji plan da je andeli ukradu...
Il bar na cas... Da je vrate medu njih...
Jer nekad Nebo pravi veliku baladu...
I trazi rimu za kljucni stih...

Na grad jurisa nezna bela legija...
Januar prostire svoj prefinjeni sag...
U tajnom dosluhu smo prvi sneg i ja...
Da zima priceka njen trag...

Ne vrede price koje znam...
Laze za oci pospane...
Izmisljam bajku... Cudnu naopaku uspavanku...
Da od nje budna ostane...

Postoji put koji namernike bira...
Tajnovit drum... Uvek najboljima sklon...
Jer nekad Nebo samo crne dirke svira...
I trazi notu za taj ton...

Negde sad decak jedan zbunjeno na mostu stoji
jer tek sluti da postojis...
Negde u tebi ceka okovana neka pesma
koju niko ziv jos ne zna...
U tebi lanac zvecka tajnim alkama...
Bices ti majka majkama...

Postoji plan da te andeli ukradu...



Dok gori nebo nad Novim Sadom


Da se ne lazemo, nije to bio neki most...
Od onih podignutih da bi se u njih gledalo...
Ne... Pre je bio od onih podignutih da bi se sa njih gledalo...
I pod njima prvi put poljubilo...
Ali... Ponekad ga je Ona prelazila svojim uobrazenim kadetskim korakom...
A mesecina se kao deverika lovila u mrezu njene kose...
Po tome cu ga, eto, pamtiti...

Rat je kao pijan svat prosao poljem... Senlucio celu noc...
Kaleci bes na ranom zitu i tek niklom bostanu...
Zasto? Ne pitaj se, jer... Tako je bolje... I Bog je pristao na to...
Ratovi prolaze, a ljudi, eto, ipak ostanu...

Za zlo sam teski laik... No, to je stara prica...
Znas vec: Bila jednom dva brata... I to...
Kad sklopim taj mozaik... Ostane mi kamicak...
I... To smo izgleda mi?

Ma, hitni papuce u vis, zalosna Panonska Vilo...
Za tvoje dugme sedefno ja nocas kraljevstvo dajem...
I lupni daire o bok... Ramena pospi aprilom...
Pa ponizi ovaj mrak tim svojim lucidnim sjajem...
Zaigraj... Bosa i prkosna...
Dok iznad Novog Sada Ðavo pali svoja kandila...

Zad na reci tamni cim se sumrak zgusne...
Dunav je pred zoru prek...
Plase te aveti sto maglom brode teskim skelama?
Ne, strah nije pravi ruz za tvoje usne...
Resi ga se ga jednom zauvek...
I veruj zvezdi koja zraku tvog zivota prelama...

Nije to prva neman sto preti dahom vatre... Ne...
Ali ljubav je vitez...
Arhandel s macem, spreman da i tu alu satre...
Da... I samo ceka tvoj znak...



Mrtvi...


Od losih vesti i reklama prognan, utekoh na treci program
Gde je, nekim cudom, tekla poznata burleska...
Svi oni gegovi i lica ista... Slikovnica sto se lista...
Setno, ko na dnu skrinje nadena sveska...
Osmeh se zaledi na cas... Gde su sad Laurel i Hardi...
I ovaj ljuti zrika... I njegov beli psic?

O, svi su mrtvi... Odneseni...
Brsljan je davno prekrio stih...
Od zla i briga su reseni...
Al divna ludost ko oreol jos rominja oko njih...

Bila je berba... Osta fotka od nje... Leto neznano gospodnje...
No, uglavnom, ta su burad otkad popijena...
Cale s kacketom, cuvenim, od tvida, putunju sa leda skida...
Deda pred vranca spusta otkose sena...
U smedoj senci bresaka samo po bluzi poznam majku...
I ko da cujem mobu... I kikote niz drum...

Al svi su mrtvi... I blazeni...
Brsljan je davno prekrio stih...
Od zlih vremena su spaseni...
A trag postenja i dobrote ko oreol jos rominja oko njih...

U godisnjaku skole vazna lica smekera i bubalica...
Ali samo jedan moto: Drzi se, Planeto...
Sanjari... Genijalci...Sampioni... Zrtvovani ko pioni...
Pale su zastave u cetrdes' petoj...
Kadgod ih sretnem, zale se... Sapucu ko zaverenici...
Al pijan dah je vetar sto zmaja ne dize...

Ma, vec su mrtvi... A hodaju...
Ja nisam roden da cekam smak... Moj zivot nije na prodaju...
A kad pletes svoj oreol za to i nema mesta boljeg nego mrak...



Devedesete


Ma, jebite se devedesete... Vas mogu jedino psovati
Za vama niko nece zaliti, niti vam stihove kovati
Jednu ste mladost sludele.
Budite sretne ako vam i strofu udele pred crkvom pravih vrednosti

Ma, jebite se devedesete i vasa prica je gotova
I da bog da se nikad ne sete svih onih protuva i skotova
kad zakon metlom zamane ili ih pusti da se medjusobno tamane
sto ima svojih prednosti

#8362 From: "angelina markovic" <ninam@...>
Date: Tue Sep 12, 2000 1:37 pm
Subject: Re: ko je stvarni zlocinac
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veceras ceo feljton, ako je danas okacen treci deo? a rekla bih da jeste , zar ne?
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Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 15:24
Subject: [sorabia] ko je stvarni zlocinac


SEVE (muslimanski zlocinci) su vjezbali snajperom ubijajucui civile po Sarajevu, kaze EDIN GARAPLIJA osudjeni bivsi Alijin vojni u danasnjoj SD.
 
Onaj cuveni par, njega Srbina i nju muslimanku ubilisu muslimani, a ne Srbi a muslimani su stalnim ubistvima civila provocirali Srbe, kaze pored ostalog Garaplija.
Toliko da se zna, za one koji mozda nisu znali.
 

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#8361 From: "angelina markovic" <ninam@...>
Date: Tue Sep 12, 2000 1:30 pm
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NATO TO STAND TRIAL ON SEPTEMBER 18
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BELGRADE, September 11, 2000 (FoNet)

      A trial of the NATO member countries leaders on criminal charges
brought by Belgrade District Public Prosecutor's Office will begin on
September 18, Belgrade District Court announced today. The list of
the accused includes US president Bill Clinton, president of France
Jacques Chirac, UK Prime Minister Tony Blair, German chancellor
Gerhardt Schroeder, NATO Secretary General George Robertson, US State
Secretary Madeleine Albright, UK Foreign Minister Robin Cooke, German
Foreign Affairs Minister Joschka Fischer, US Secretary of Defense,
German Defense Minister Rudolf Scharping, European Union Security
Commissioner Javier Solana, former commander of NATO forces in Europe
Wesley Clark...


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COVERING UP CRIMES IN KOSOVO
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PRISTINA, September 11, 2000 (Free Serbia)

      US officials in Kosovo are obstructing a UN investigation into
involvement of one of the former Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA)
commanders, Ramushi Haradinay, in assassinations, drug smuggling and
war crimes, London daily Observer writes today. According to the
London daily, UN police in Kosovo complained because the US military
personnel in Kosovo withheld evidence of a shooting incident
involving Haradinay and the members of the Musai family, who had
fought for the so-called armed forces of the Republic of Kosovo which
had confronted KLA. Observer claims that the incident took place in a
village in western Kosovo, far away from the US zone, but the
American soldiers, nonetheless, removed all evidence including
cartridge cases from the crime scene and transferred Haradnay first
to the US base Bond still in Kosovo, and then to a US military
hospital in Germany.


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DEMONSTRATIONS AGAINST VIOLENCE
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PRISTINA, September 10, 2000 (KFOR)

      Yesterday afternoon, demonstrations were conducted in all KFOR
MNB's against violence in Kosovo. In MNB North a peaceful
demonstration took place in southern Mitrovica and ended just before
1:00 p.m.

      In MNB Center, there was a large rally for peace held in
Pristina with crowds that marched up Mother Theresa Street and
concluded just after 3:00 p.m.

      Demonstrations in MNB West started in the Djakovica area with
approximately 200 people in attendance and then moved to Pec where
the crowd swelled to over 1500 demonstrators.

      In MNB South a crowd marched for the "Day of Peace and
Tolerance" from the Market Square in Prizren along the river to the
UNMIK Building and back.

      In each demonstration, KFOR troops and UNMIK Police monitored
the situation. All of the demonstrations were conducted in a peaceful
and safe manner. No serious incidents were reported throughout the
day.


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LITTLE GIRL SHOT
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PRISTINA, September 10, 2000 (KFOR)

      KFOR Military Police reported that a seven-year-old girl was
shot in the head last night just before midnight in the village of
Belobrod. The child was then transported to the KFOR German Field
hospital in Prizren for further treatment. Ethnicity of the child or
the circumstances of the shooting are unknown at the time of this
report. KFOR and UNMIK are investigating.


=================================================
THREE ALBANIANS KILLED, A CARITAS WORKER ARRESTED
=================================================

PRISTINA, September 11, 2000 (Blic)

      Three Albanians have been killed in Loznica near Pristina,
spokesman of UN Police reported. He also said that an Albanian,
worker of non-government organization Caritas, suspected for this
murder had been arrested.


==========================================
INCIDENTS IN LOCAL ELECTIONS IN MACEDONIA
==========================================

SKOPJE, Macedonia, September 11, 2000 (FoNet)

      Seventeen per cent of the registered voters cast ballots by noon
today, according to unofficial information, while the voter turnout
till noon in the capital Skopje amounted to 20%. Citing the sources
from election campaign headquarters, the independent broadcasters
reported on numerous incidents and irregularities at polling
stations. The most serious incident took place in Debar where an
activist of the Democratic Party of Albanians opened fire at a member
of the Party of Democratic Prosperity and wounded him.


==========================================
ALIJA IZETBEGOVIC IN HOSPITAL IN NEW YORK
==========================================

NEW YORK, US, September 11, 2000 (Free Serbia)

      President of the collective presidency of Bosnia-Herzegovina
Alija Izetbegovic was taken to a New York hospital allegedly because
of the inflammation of the lungs. Mr. Izetbegovic had attended the
United Nations Millennium Summit. Sarajevo television reported that
Izetbegovic had planned to step down from his post of the president
of the Bosnian collective presidency for reasons of health.


=========================
OIL DOWN AFTER OPEC BOOST
=========================

VIENNA, Austria, September 11, 2000 (BBC)

      The price of oil has fallen following a decision by ministers
from oil producing countries to increase production by 3%.

      Oil prices fell at the start of trading on Monday to $32.20
dollars a barrel from $32.78 at the close on Friday. Prices are
expected to remain weak, following reports that production may be
increased again later in the year.

      Ministers from Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries
(Opec) are continuing their talks in Vienna on Monday.

      As yet, there has been no formal announcement on the decision to
raise daily production to 800,000 barrels a day. The increase in
production is expected to take effect from 1 October.

      On Monday, ministers said that they may increase output again at
a meeting on 12 November.


==================================================
SADDAM URGES ARMY TO QUICKLY DEFEAT WESTERN PLANES
==================================================

BAGHDAD, Iraq, September 11, 2000 (Reuters)

      Iraqi President Saddam Hussein has urged his armed forces to
vanquish U.S. and British warplanes patrolling Western-imposed no-fly
zones in northern and southern Iraq.

      "Defeat them quickly ... and make them flee quickly because it
is ten years now since they have been here," Iraqi newspapers on
Monday quoted Saddam as saying during a meeting with the Iraqi Atomic
Energy Organization late on Sunday night.

      "They will be defeated when they suffer losses greater than what
they are intending to gain," he added.

      Iraq has said in several occasions that it has hit or shot down
U.S. or British aircraft patrolling the no-fly zones, but the reports
have always been denied.

      Saddam has on several occasions praised military researchers for
work to upgrade Iraq's anti-aircraft defenses.

      On Sunday, he also lashed out at the rulers of Kuwait and Saudi
Arabia for allowing Western planes to use their air bases to patrol
the no-fly zone in southern Iraq.

      "Those who allow foreign (troops) to base themselves in the
Muslim holy lands are not believers in God."


=============================
BUS CRASH KILLS 'AT LEAST 20'
=============================

NEW DELHI, India, September 11, 2000 (BBC)

      At least 20 people are believed to have died when a fully laden
bus plunged into a river in the east Indian state of West Bengal on
Sunday.

      According to officials, the bus driver apparently lost control
of his vehicle approaching a bridge over the Tista river near Sivok,
50km (30 miles) south east of Darjiling.

      West Bengal's Urban Affairs Minister Ashok Bhatacharya told the
BBC that rescuers had recovered 15 bodies from river so far.

      However, Mr. Bhatacharya said he expected the death toll to rise
due to fears that the turbulent river may have swept others
downstream.

      Officials said the bus was carried by the downstream for some
distance before it sank, but military engineers have had some success
in recovering it from the river.

      The bus was reported to be carrying about 50 people, some of
whom were traveling on the roof. Witnesses also said the bus had been
traveling at great speed.

      The Indian army has deployed a specialist rafting team to search
for more bodies downstream.


===============================================
DEATH TOLL IN ITALIAN CAMPING DISASTER UP TO 12
===============================================

SOVERATO, Italy, September 11, 2000 (Reuters)

      Rescue workers digging through the night found two more victims
of a campsite flooding disaster in Italy, raising the death toll to
12, officials said on Monday.

      The two bodies, both women, were found under a blanket of mud
and debris that roared through the campsite in the southern Caldaria
region early on Sunday morning, when some campers were still
sleeping.

      The campsite, which was being used by a group of disabled
people, was wrecked in seconds after a huge storm in the area caused
a river to burst its banks.

      Vehicles were swept from the site almost to the sea, bungalows
were reduced to piles of wood and caravans were smashed.

      At least five people were believed missing, rescue officials
said.

      On Monday afternoon, Prime Minister Giuliano Amato was to hold a
special cabinet meeting where ministers were expected to announce a
state of calamity in the area after three days of torrential rain and
high winds.

      Environmentalists blamed the disaster on deforestation,
unregulated construction and inadequate drainage maintenance.


===========================================
TRAIN CRASH KILLS AT LEAST 16 IN INDONESIA
===========================================

JAKARTA, Indonesia, September 11, 2000 (CBC)

      A train loaded with passengers slammed into a freight train in
Indonesia on Sunday, killing at least 16 and wounding dozens.

      The head-on collision occurred about 500 kilometers east of
Jakarta, near the village of Ketanggan.

      Police and rescue workers are searching through the wreckage to
find more victims.

      A series of fatal train collisions in Indonesia this year have
been mostly caused by human error.


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=========================
NO ACCESS TO THE INTERNET
=========================

BELGRADE, September 11, 2000 (SRNA)

      Internet users all over Yugoslavia could not access the net
outside Yugoslavia. This came to pass due to an interruption of the
cable link. The connection was normalized Sunday morning. According
to the officials from Telecom providing service the interruption
happened on the main international linking optical cable.


=========================
BACK TO KOSOVO IN OCTOBER
=========================

BELGRADE, September 11, 2000 (I-Net)

      Federal minister for refugees, displaced persons and
humanitarian help Bratislava Morina announced that the process of
returning of exiled Serbs in Kosovo will begin in October. She also
accused UNMIK chief, Bernard Kouchner, that "the violence on Serbs
and other non-Albanians has reached unseen proportions by his
credit".


=============================
KOSOVO JOURNALIST GUNNED DOWN
=============================

VUCITRN, September 11, 2000 (BBC)

      An ethnic-Albanian journalist has been shot dead in downtown
Vucitrn, in Kosovo, the United Nations said on Monday.

      Journalist Shefki Popova - a correspondent for "Rilindija"
Kosovo daily - was gunned down on Sunday night near the local
government building in the town of Vucitrn, 18km (12 miles) from
Pristina.

      He was taken to a nearby military hospital, but died shortly
after his arrival.

      It is unknown who carried out the attack but the UN are
searching for two men seen running away from the scene.


==========================
MORE NATO TROOPS TO KOSOVO
==========================

PRISTINA, September 11, 2000 (BBC)

      NATO says it's reinforcing its troops in Kosovo before the
Yugoslav elections, scheduled for later this month.

      Alliance commanders meeting near Athens decided to send four new
battalions -- or around two-thousand troops -- to the province to
deal with any outbreaks of violence.

      The Yugoslav authorities say they also want voting to take place
in Kosovo, which is still formally part of the country, but this has
been strongly opposed by the province's ethnic-Albanian majority.

      International officials in Kosovo have said they do not support
the Yugoslav plan either, but that they are unable to stop voting
taking place. NATO has currently more than thirty thousand troops in
the province.


=====================
ONLY 19 SERBS REMAIN
=====================

PRISTINA, September 11, 2000 (Tanjug)

      Members of the Subcommittee for Humanitarian Issues and
Information of the Yugoslav Committee for Cooperation with the U.N.
Mission in Kosovo and Metohija on Saturday visited Urosevac, a town
which is today home to only 19 Serbs - 16 adults and three children,
13-year-old twins and their nine-year-old brother.

      Subcommittee members visited each of the remaining 10 Serb
houses which are in different parts of the town. They presented aid
in food, clothing, footwear and toiletries.


=================================
TREPCA WORKERS CONTINUE PROTESTS
=================================

ZVECAN, September 11, 2000 (Tanjug)

      Trepca workers held their daily protest rally outside the
U.N.-seized lead smelter in Zvecan, Kosovo-Metohija, again on Monday,
beginning a fifth week of protests against the smelter's violent
takeover on Aug 14.


============================================
CONSTRUCTION OF HOUSING UNDERWAY AS SEDUELED
============================================

BELGRADE, September 11, 2000 (Tanjug)

      Serbian Premier Mirko Marjanovic and Director of the
Reconstruction Directorate Milutin Mrkonjic attended Monday the
signing of contracts for the purchase of apartments under
construction in line with the government development program.

      Marjanovic congratulated the young couples who have signed the
contracts with the Directorate and said others eligible for
purchasing housing under the program would do so shortly.

      The program envisages the construction of 10,000 apartments this
year, of which 8,600 will be ready by the end of 2000 and the rest by
next June. Many young couples have applied for the apartments whose
cost is considerably lower that the market price. The buyers have to
make a down payment of 30 percent and the rest in monthly
installments over the next 20 years.


=====================================
OFFICIAL MONTENEGRO NOT IN ELLECTIONS
=====================================

PODGORICA, September 11, 2000 (SRNA)

      Montenerian president, Milo Djukanovic declared that the
official Montenegro will not participate the federal presidential
elections, not because of the fear of Milosevicæs victory, but
because he doesn't wish to be subdued to constitutial violence.


===============================
MACEDONIA ELECTION 'FELL SHORT'
===============================

SKOPJE, Macedonia, September 11, 2000 (Srna)

      The European security organization, the OSCE, has said that the
municipal elections held in the former Yugoslav republic of Macedonia
on Sunday fell short of democratic standards in a number of respects.

      The OSCE's preliminary report was published as the governing and
opposition parties gave conflicting reports about the results, which
have yet to be issued by the election authorities.


===================================================
TRUCKERS' PROTESTS THREATEN BELGIUM, UK AND IRELAND
===================================================

BRUSSELS, Belgium, September 11, 2000 (Reuters)

      Belgian truckers demanding cheaper fuel brought Brussels streets
to a standstill on Monday and growing protests in Britain led Prime
Minister Tony Blair to vow he would not give in to demands for fuel
tax cuts.

      In France most truck blockades were cleared over the weekend,
but only after concessions to protesters, which could increase
pressure on other European governments to do the same.

      Irish Prime Minister Bertie Ahern, faced with the threat of
nationwide protests, agreed to meet truck drivers on Wednesday. The
association representing Ireland's 4,000 truckers threatened protest
action on Friday and next Monday if the government does not accept
its demand for a 20 percent cut in diesel duty.

      In Britain, some petrol stations ran dry after panic buying
triggered by a truckers' blockade of a refinery. The British Chambers
of Commerce said protest was even more damaging to industry than high
fuel prices and urged a temporary tax cut to end the crisis.

      The Brussels protest wrought havoc with morning rush hour
traffic, forcing thousands to take detours to work or to leave their
cars at home and take a bus or subway.


===============================
CLASHES ON PINOCHET ANNIVERSARY
===============================

SANTIAGO de CHILE, Chile, September 11, 2000 (BBC)

      Violence erupted in Santiago after thousands of people took to
the streets to mark the 27th anniversary of the military coup that
brought General Augusto Pinochet to power in Chile.

      Stone throwing protesters were dispersed by police using water
cannon, who maintained a heavy presence along the route of the march.

      Led by relatives of people killed during the period of military
rule, the demonstrators shouted slogans calling for General Pinochet
to be brought to trial.


==============================================
EUROPEANS FREED IN PHILIPPINES ARRIVE IN LIBYA
==============================================

TRIPOLI, Libya, September 11, 2000 (Reuters)

      Four Europeans freed from nearly five months of captivity at the
hands of rebels in the Philippines arrived on Monday at Tripoli
airport in Libya.

      A Reuters correspondent saw the Russian airplane carrying the
four hostages -- Marc Wallert from Germany, French national Stephane
Loisy and Finns Seppo Juhani Franti and Risto Mirco Vahanen -- land
at 1539 GMT (4:39 p.m. BST).

      A Libyan charity helped to negotiate the release of the
hostages, kidnapped by Muslim rebels in the southern Philippine
island of Jolo on April 23.


===================================
TROPICAL STORM, FLOODS HIT VIETNAM
===================================

HANOI, Vietnam,  September 11, 2000 (AP) - Tropical storm Wukong
slammed into Vietnam's midsection over the weekend, killing two
people and leaving more than 10,000 homeless, officials said Monday.

      Heavy rains and strong winds reaching 69 mph hit central Ha Tinh
province early Sunday, destroying about 3,500 houses, said Bui Hong
Phong of the provincial flood and storm control bureau.

      A telephone company employee was washed away by a flash flood
and another person was killed when his house collapsed, Phong said.
Twenty-nine people were injured.


===============================
QUAKE RATTLES ISLANDS OFF TOKYO
===============================

TOKYO, Japan,  September 11, 2000 (AP) -- A strong earthquake rattled
a string of volcanic islands off Tokyo on Monday, but with no
immediate reports of damage or injuries.

      The quake, with a preliminary magnitude of 5.2, was centered
near the Izu islands chain, reaching from about six miles under the
seabed.

      The quake was most strongly felt on Toshima, about 90 miles
south of Tokyo, and Shikinejima, but there were no immediate reports
of damage or injuries, local police said.

      Minutes later, more moderate tremors continued to shake the
islands, including a 4.2-magnitude temblor.


=========================
EURO CRASHES TO FRESH LOW
=========================

LONDON, UK, September 11, 2000 (BBC)

      The single European currency has fallen to yet another record
low against the US dollar.

      It plunged to $0.8574 in mid-day London trading before
rebounding to just over $0.86.

      The euro had breached its previous record low of $0.87, reached
last week.

      Bank of England governor Eddie George threw a lifeline to the
beleaguered currency when he said that European central bankers
thought that intervention was an instrument that could be used.

      Speaking in Basel after a meeting of European central bankers,
he said they agreed that the euro's exchange rate was out of line
with economic fundamentals.

      Some market players had hoped that European finance ministers
might use this weekend's meeting as an opportunity to talk up the
currency.

      But little concrete emerged from that Ecofin meeting.


===================================
SCIENTISTS TO REVEAL ORIGIN OF AIDS
===================================

September 11, 2000 (BBC)

      Scientists are set to outline for the first time how the Aids
virus began.

      Experts are meeting in London to discuss theories on how and
when the virus began to infect humans.

      Scientists are generally agreed that Aids jumped the species
barrier from chimpanzees to humans.

      Chimpanzees host a virus called SIV which is regarded as being
similar to HIV.

      However, scientists are divided on how this might have happened.

      Some scientists had believed a contaminated batch of the polio
vaccine made from infected chimpanzee tissue resulted in the Aids
virus jumping the species barrier.


=========================
VITAL SPACEWALK COMPLETED
=========================

September 11, 2000 (BBC)

      An American astronaut and a Russian cosmonaut have carried out a
vital spacewalk that will allow a future crew to spend months on the
International Space Station (ISS).

      Atlantis docked with the ISS early on Sunday to enable its
seven-member crew to deliver supplies and undertake vital maintenance
work. The space shuttle blasted off on Friday on an 11-day mission.

      Edward Lu and Yuri Malenchenko made a gruelling climb along the
outside of the 42-metre (140 ft) exterior of the space station.
Mission controllers said it was like working on the 11th story of a
13-story building - with the Earth 368 km (230 miles) below.

      Tethered to the space shuttle for safety they travelled further
away from the shuttle than any other tethered astronauts performing a
spacewalk.

      They also had mini jetpacks for added safety. Only Malenchenko
has made a spacewalk before.

      For the first time, Nasa adopted the Russian method of space
walking, using a pair of tethers as rock climbers do - one line
remains attached while they move to a new position and secure the
other.


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SEVE (muslimanski zlocinci) su vjezbali snajperom ubijajucui civile po Sarajevu, kaze EDIN GARAPLIJA osudjeni bivsi Alijin vojni u danasnjoj SD.
 
Onaj cuveni par, njega Srbina i nju muslimanku ubilisu muslimani, a ne Srbi a muslimani su stalnim ubistvima civila provocirali Srbe, kaze pored ostalog Garaplija.
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#8358 From: "angelina markovic" <ninam@...>
Date: Tue Sep 12, 2000 12:59 pm
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English translation of yesterdays article:
NACIONAL Broj 251 -- 7.9.2000.
Ivo Goldstein pise o sprovodu Milana Levara Snimke

by RJ [Rajko]
==========================


NACIONAL No 251 -- 7.9.2000

Levar's Funeral - The Newest Croatian Disgrace

There should have been massive crowds at
Levar's funeral, which would have been a
show of condemnation for the crimes which
Croatia has been burdened with since the
creation of the country. Instead, there was
an atmosphere of fear at the funeral

   On Thursday, August 31, I was present at Milan Levar's funeral. A
funeral is, in and of itself, a terrible event, especially when the
person has died a violent death, and never mind when he was
horribly murdered. However, this funeral was the disgrace of Gospic,
and of Croatia, when it could have been a dignified demonstration, a
clear sign that Gospic, and Croatia stood by a brave man in his
death, a man who wanted to remove the blemishes from Gospic and
Croatia. However it was, this funeral was a reflection of Gospic and
Croatia.

   There were about 100 people gathered at the funeral, not less
than 90, not more than 110. Milan Lever was born in Gospic and he
lived his whole life there. He knew everyone and everyone knew him.
According to those in Gospic, there should have been five, if not ten
times as many people at a typical funeral for someone of Levar's
age. But, many from Gospic are afraid. There are few, proud and
brave, who overcame their fear. From Zagreb, a government
delegation came, a representative from the President's Office, and
several who fought together with Levar, who were eliminated from
their important positions back in 1991. There was a wreath from HV.
No one held a speech. The young priest said a few typical words
and called for prayers. There was no indication, no allusions, at the
funeral that this man was horribly murdered.

   Marko Blazevic was present, president of the Gospic District from
the war period. In the company of three or four women, he stood
along the graveyard fence while the funeral procession passed. The
happy company were laughing loudly, and one of them, with a very
happy and satisfied voice, was talking on their mobile phone. There
appeared to be comments directed at those in the procession. It
might be valuable for the public, and perhaps even for the police, for
the respective gentleman and his accompaniments explain what it
was that was so funny to them.

No one from The Hague

   However, it is more important to note who was not in the
procession. Why weren't there any high ranking officials from the
Croatian Military, in whose orders Levar honorably fought? Why
weren't the politicians there, the representatives and the party
presidents which condemn, in principle, each and every crime? Why
weren't there representatives from the media who have for years
increased their sales thanks to the testimonies of Levar and his
friends? Why were there no Church officials? Where were the
representatives of various non-governmental organizations,
organizations for human rights, various independent intellectuals?
Why were there no representatives of the Serbian parties, for Levar
directly helped them? Finally, why was there not a single
representative from the international community, especially from the
Hague Tribunal, who have always had mouths full of human rights
and individualized crime?

   It is easy to be an honorable soldier, a democratically oriented
politician, a truth-loving journalist, and a defender of human rights
and democracy at round table meetings in Zagreb's Esplanada Hotel
or under television lights. It is even easier to be all these things
when one goes to Brussels, London or New York, but it was very
difficult to be Milan Levar in Gospic.

Zagreb and Gospic

   All of these great people could have left Zagreb, could have driven
two and a half hours and showed that they cared. When the ETA in
Spain kills a local politician who dared to say something against
them, 6,000,000 Spaniards protest in the streets. In Croatia, one
hundred people attend the funeral of the man who for years has
been seeking punishment for crimes committed in the name of
Croatia and Croats. If one takes into account that Spain has about
ten times the population of Croatia, then the ratio is still an
impressive 6000:1.

   Those who were not at the funeral cannot say, "justice is on our
side". On the contrary, in their name one can only say, "this is
Croatia". Besides the fact that attending a funeral is a fundamental
civilized principle, in this case, it has an added weight: not attending
the funeral can be interpreted as tolerance towards the crimes which
have burdened this independent Croatia since its creation. A
massive turnout would have been a sign of condemnation for the
crimes.

   Now it is no longer important to establish whether the police
theoretically could have protected Milan Levar. All this was clouded
over during the HDZ rule. This government is responsible in that
they did not capture those who were threatening Levar. And it does
not take a lot of brains to figure out that these are the same
individuals involved in the Gospic crimes from 1991. In addition, this
government is responsible because it does not understand, or at
least is not willing to publicly admit, that a portion of the territory is
out of its control. The newspapers wrote that Levar's friends who
have been hiding abroad did not attend, because they feared they
would be killed. Is it possible that the government could not ensure
the security of these people? Levar's widow Vesna, and others as
well, claim that the police openly laughed in their faces. Can these
people continue to work in the police forces of this country? Vesna
Levar says that in recent days, people from Gospic have
approached her, expressed their condolences and apologized for
not attending the funeral, for they were afraid. Therefore, one of the
accomplishment of our quickly attained democracy, inclusion into
European integration, and so on, is that a great portion of the
Gospic population feared to go to a funeral of one of their own.

   However they are, the unquestionable and sharp comments by
President Mesic and Premier Racan are encouraging. However, the
question is whether after their words, will such effective actions
follow? In the last few years, as in the last few days, various people
in several newspapers have been accusing the same individual for
the Gospic crimes. It is certain that the police also know certain facts
which the public does not, and there is certainly something in the
archives. Why are they waiting to arrest? Today's government,
comprised of honorable and well intending individuals, are seriously
threatened by the danger of losing all connection to reality. Croatia
is not that which can be seen from the northern part of Zagreb.
Croatia is Gospic. Of course, Gospic is an isolated, forgotten and
abandoned part of Croatia, but an undoubtedly important part of
Croatia. A part of Croatia in which democracy passes or fails. In
Gospic, fear reigns. All of the measures which are available to a
democratic country should be used to help Gospic become a part of
Croatia. It is completely clear that the people of Gospic do not have
the strength to give up the perpetrators of the crimes from 1991, nor
those who killed Levar. The question is whether Croatia has that
strength.

  Public Conscience

   Levar said much in public. He believed that the public would
protect him. He was mistaken. The public did not help him, and then
they betrayed him at his funeral. The public can fix that to an extent:
with constant pressure to find Levar's murderer (or murderers), and
with constant pressure that war crimes be prosecuted. Will any party
organize a gathering with that goal? Will someone think to create a
fund to help Levar's family, will Levar be honored with a medal?
Levar did not need to be killed for the Croatian state and the
Croatian society to begin uncovering the Gospic crimes. Now, it is up
to the state and the society to travel Levar's path. Everyone who
was not at the funeral, and should have been, needs to think long
and hard about why they weren't there. And conclude that this is the
last time they make such a mistake. The time for thinking is coming
to an end. For all of us.

======

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Date: Tue Sep 12, 2000 12:51 pm
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 13:36
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Subject: Response to your letter to the editor of CNSNews.com
Date: Tue, Sep 12, 2000, 11:26 am


Dear John Jay:
 
I was e-mailed recently a note from CNSNews.com about your letter to the editor complaining about two points in the article I wrote on September 5th, "Belgrade Determined To Send Troops To Kosovo."
 
I must point out to you that both paragraphs at the end of my story - which you rightfully question - were NOT INCLUDED IN MY ORIGINAL STORY, but WERE PLACED THERE UNKNOWN TO ME BY THE EDITORS at CNSNews.com.
 
I have also registered my complaints to CNSNews.com for their unauthorized changes.
 
Thank you for pointing out these changes.
 
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Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 11:29 AM
Subject: Political corrections to your "Incorrectly Political" commentary.

Belgrade Determined To Send Troops To Kosovo

By Louis Economopoulos
CNS Correspondent
September 05, 2000

Athens, Greece (CNSNews.com)

Dear Sir:
Relating to yesterday's article below, I wish to make a few comments in clarification of two sentences
right at the end of Mr Economopoulos's report...

First:-
"Because of its geographical location and religious links to the Serbs, Greece was the NATO country most bitterly divided over last year's military campaign against Milosevic," he says.

Not So !... This is pure American, politically "correct", media-speak, as I'm sure your correspondent is privately well-aware. Greece was not "devided" at all regarding NATO's bombing of Yugoslavia. Virtually every man and woman in Greece was totally opposed to it !

and:-
"The 74-day NATO operation, aimed at ending Serbian atrocities against ethnic Albanians in Kosovo, ended with the installation of an interim administration under U.N. control. Although an internationally-run enclave, Kosovo remains a province of what is left of the Yugoslav federation - Serbia and Montenegro."

two clarifications here...
(1) These were "alleged" atrocities - alleged by NATO, and its NATO-guided media networks - never established fact. Indeed, the only thing ever to have been finally established - by independent observers and in recent weeks - is that any so-called mass slaughter of Albanians by Serbs definitely did not take place.  Certainly nothing that could possibly warrent the description of "genocide", nor even in anything approaching the numbers NATO concocted and headlined all over the Western world, evidently in order to claim widespread public outrage and assume justification for intervention against the Serbs.
Such is American "democracy" in action - ie.,... if it's said on TV - that makes it true !

(2) Kosovo indeed "remains a province of what is left of the Yugoslav federation" - not as some 'by-they-way' technicality, as the tone of this piece suggests - but as a matter of record strictly according to the UN Security Council's Resolution 1244, which was officially enshrined in June 1999, as an internationally agreed precondition of the Serbian forces withdrawal. In other words, Kosovo remains part of Yugoslavia and the Serbian Army can come back at any time - which, most definitely, they intend to do.

Don't believe for a minute that Clinton, Blair, Albright, Shae and the rest, are ever going to walk away from all this. There is rapidly-growing and all-consuming determination by millions of people, worldwide, absolutely dedicated to seeing that they don't. Now - the real "International Community" - is coming to get them for what they did !

John Jay
London Anti-NATO Clinic
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#8356 From: john_peter maher <jpmaher@...>
Date: Tue Sep 12, 2000 9:16 am
Subject: re Croatia's Auschwitz: Jasenovac -- letter to Ottawa Citizen
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12 September 2000

To the Editor
Ottawa Citizen

Tom Rhodes has the facts wrong on Croatia's WW  II death camp at
Jasenovac. He incorrectly writes "Up to 700,000 people, mostly Jews, are
thought to have been killed by the Ustashe, many of them at the
Jasenovac concentration camp." (10 September 2000)

In a discussion I had in September 1997 with Ephraim Zurov of the
Jerusalem office of the Simon Wiesenthal Foundation I put at 30,000 the
number of Jews murdered at Jasenovac, Mr Zurov corrected me. Too high,
he said; in 1941 "there were 20,000 Jews in Croatia."

Tom Rhodes phraseological spin  "... are thought to have been killed
..." can only be meant to implant doubt about what is hardly
speculative. The number of victims bludgeoned, burned, tortured, and
literally butchered at Croatia's Auschwitz range from "only" 400,000 to
700,000. Croatia's Nazis, the Ustashas, themselves bragged that they had
annihilated one million "enemies".

Unless editors correct "journalist" Rhodes's misleading article," the
Ottawa Citizen can plead incompetence at best, but more likely
mendacious holocaust revisionism.

J. P. Maher
Emeritus

Chicago

#8355 From: "john jay" <ppdscat@...>
Date: Tue Sep 12, 2000 7:41 am
Subject: Re: Fw: September 10, 2000, Sunday
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PLEASE REMOVE ME FROM THIS LIST (JJ)

THE STATEMENT BELOW AND FOLLOWING ARTICLE IS A PACK OF LIES -
AND TOM RHODES AND THE OTTAWA CITIZEN KNOW IT !

> "Father Draganovic, who died in 1983, is believed to
> have stolen millions of dollars worth of jewelry and
> other effects from victims of the Holocaust in
> Croatia. Up to 700,000 people,
mostly Jews, are (???)
> thought to have been killed by the Ustashe, many of
> them at the Jasenovac concentration camp."

>
> Ottawa Citizen
> September 10, 2000
>
> Nazi loot used in Cold War fight: lawyers: Right-wing
> groups allegedly funded with money stolen from Jews
>
> ByLIAR: Tom Rhodes
 

SO "JASENOVAC" WAS JUST ANOTHER DEATH CAMP MAINLY FOR JEWS, WAS IT ???
NOT SERBS ???

NOW I THINK WE'VE HEARD EVERYTHING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PLEASE REMOVE ME FROM THIS LIST
JOHN JAY



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#8354 From: "Miroslav Antic" <miroslav@...>
Date: Tue Sep 12, 2000 1:03 am
Subject: ZANEMARENE POUKE IZ NEUSPESNE AKCIJE LJUBOMIRA GRUYICHA
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ZANEMARENE  POUKE IZ NEUSPESNE AKCIJE LJUBOMIRA GRUYICHA

Pre otprilike tri meseca Profesor  Grujic zatrazio je smenu Slobodana
Milosevica. Njegov zahtev potpisuju 16 pojedinaca i sumnjivih organizacija.
Do danas spisak potpisnika zahteva je ostao nepromenjen. Gospodin Grujic
nije izvukao nikakve pouke , zasto je zahtev pretrpeo neuspeh, pa isti
[zahtev] ovih dana ponovo lansira preko foruma Ludska prava, misleci da ce
ovoga puta biti bolje srece. Vise od 2 meseca preko sajta NOBOMB, citaoci su
osporavali zahtev Grujica za smenu Milosevica, kao neustavan akt. Akt koji
je pokrenut proizvoljno od ljudi van otadzbine, bez saglasnosti naroda,
najpozvanijijeg da sam odlucuje o svojoj sudbini.

Na pitanje  gospodina Krsmanovica,predstavnika pokreta za ljudska prava,
zasto ponovo lansira zahtev za smenu Milosevica, profesor Grujic obrazlaze
time sto skupstina SRJ nije razmatrala njegov zahtev, niti ga je  obavestila
o razlozima.Zato ponovo pokrece zahtev za smenu Milosevica, sada u
predizbornoj kampanji s namerom da utice na volju biraca, pozivajuci  ih
javno da glasaju protiv rezima i Slobodana Milosevica i kaze:
<S obzirom da je to sada tema od bitnog nacionalnog interesa, Zahtev se
ponavlja, da bi ga primili i oni koji  su ga propustili i da bi se preneo
sto vecem broju ljudi.>

Gospodin Grujic namerno ne govori o predhodnim rezultataima, broju
pristalica tokom proteklog perioda, ali zato nije propustio priliku da kaze
da je  kako rece:

< cinimi se u toku juna i jula dvojica ili trojica istupilo i protiv zahteva
i prortiv njihovih potpisnika. Njihova istupanja su stvorila utisak da oni
ili nisu pazljivo citali i razumeli Zahtev onako kako je napisan, ili su
svesno menjali i izvrtali njegove delove>

Zakljuci gospodina Grujica su proizvoljni i netacni. Veliki broj citalaca je
osporio zahtev kao neosnovan, ne ulazeci u verodostojnost i ispravnost
navoda u Zahtevu i ako je autor insistirao na analizi i eventualno
osporavanje navoda. Da bi  novi citaoci  stekli uvid kakve su polemike
vodjene u vezi zahteva,
  jedan od primera u kom smeru su se kretale diskusije, govori i sajt
www.antic.org./vidanco/ .

Znacaj  septembarskih izbora g. Grujic iznosi u poruci;  < VI, koji cete da
glasate, odlucujete i o sudbinama i nas u inostranstvu i sto je jos vaznije
, o sudbini i buducnosti sve nase dece i u otadzbini i u inostranstvu.Zato
se nadam da cete da shvatite koliko je ova znacajna raskrsnica. I zato
saljem ponovo Zahtev tri puta.>

Objasnite g. Grujicu kako vidite sudbinu nase dece u inostranstvu kao
povratnike? Da li smatrate da ce se otvoriti mogucnost nasoj deci da se
vrate u domovinu i da im drzava omoguci uslove kakve imaju na zapaduizmedju
ostalog i u pogledu plata. Pocetna plata jednog fakultetskog obrazovanog
strucnjaka se krece izmedju 45 i 60 000 dolara, sto bi bio veliki balast
opterecenja za Jugoslaviju da ispuni te zahteve, koje bi postavila kao uslov
nasa deca. Drugo  jezicka barijera bi bila jedan od kamena spoticanja za
povratnike dece iseljenika druge I trece generacije. Zato je beznacajana
buducnost nase dece kao argument na koji se Vi pozivate.

Pitam vas da li cete se Vi licno posle decenije i decenije provede na
zapadu, vratiti u zemlju, zauzeti odmah profesorsko mesto pod istim uslovima
koje imate u Francuskoj i kako cete  se osecati u sredini protiv koje ste do
sada istupali pod vidom nekakvog neshvatljivog rodoljublja i patriotizma.?

Sudbina srpskog naroda je u njihovim rukama. Oni najbolje mogu da ocene za
koga treba da glasaju, bez vaseg tutorisanja. Vi imate razloge zasto ste
protivnik rezima,drugi ih mozda nemaju, jer ste bili protivnik Slobodanu
Milosevicu na proslim izborima za predsednika republike.Izgubili ste i niste
pruzili ruku protivniku kao sto se to cini na zapadu. Protivnickog kandidata
gledate ne kao politickog rivala vec kao  neprijatelja, sto je suprotno svim
demokratskim principima postovanim u svetu. To  dokazujete i svojim
zahtevima i sugestijama, koje nisu nista drugo nego prazne fraze, pogotovu
sto dolaze sa zapada.

Vi koristite trenutnu izbornu trku i propagandu koja se vodi iz
inostranstva, protiv Srbije i Jugoslavije, pridruzujete se nezapamcenom
pritisku zapada protiv srpskog naroda, koji je bezbroj puta u proslosti
pokazao da  je neustrasiv,  da nije bio niciji sluga da ume da misli svojom
glavom, ceni slobodu , nikom nije bio pokoran. To je ponosan narod na svoje
pretke, uvek odbacivao sto se namece sa strane. Nadam se da te vrline
srpskog naroda nisu nestale, potkupljene laznim obecanjima i  americkim
dolarima., pa i onih slugu koji su prodali svoje dostojanstvo i postenje.

Sava Vidanovic
9/9/2000
www.antic.org/vidanco/

#8353 From: "angelina markovic" <ninam@...>
Date: Tue Sep 12, 2000 12:55 am
Subject: SD: Uhicen Zoran Basic
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SLOBODNA DALMACIJA
12. rujna 2000.


U POSUSJU NA SPAVANJU
Uhicen Zoran Basic

POSUSJE - U akciji Sfora u ponedjeljak ujutro uhicen je Zoran Basic s
mjestom stanovanja na Vranicu kod Posusja. U akciji je sudjelovalo vise
pripadnika Sfora pojacanih oklopnim vozilima. Basic je uhicen na spavanju, a
za vrijeme cijele akcije bio je blokiran prijevoj Vranic te su bile
prekinute telefonske veze s tim dijelom opcine.
Prema izvorima lokalne policije Basic je bio pripadnik Kaznjenicke bojne
kojoj je zapovjednik bio Mladen Naletilic Tuta. Predstavnici Hvidre bez
sluzbenog priopcenja nisu htjeli komentirati ovo uhicenje.
    A. KARAMATIC

#8352 From: "angelina markovic" <ninam@...>
Date: Tue Sep 12, 2000 12:53 am
Subject: SD: UZBUNA U MOSTARU
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SLOBODNA DALMACIJA
12. rujna 2000.


UZBUNA U MOSTARU:

AKCIJA SPECIJALNE POSTROJBE FEDERALNOG MUP-a DIGLA GRAD NA NOGE
Policajci uhitili pogresnu osobu, HVIDR-a blokirala vozila SFOR-a!

U tajnoj akciji federalni policajci u kaficu "Palm Beach" uhitili i tom
prilikom ozlijedili Gorana Vlajinica, bivseg pripadnika HVO-a za kojeg se
poslije utvrdilo kako to "nije bila trazena osoba".
Lokalna policija nije bila obavijestena o uhicenju.
Pripadnici Hvidre sat vremena prijecili prolazak deset oklopnih vozila
SFOR-a koji su pruzali logisticku potporu akciji maskiranih policajaca

Pisu: Marijan SIVRIC i Irena MARAS


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MOSTAR - U ponedjeljak poslijepodne ministar unutarnjih poslova
Hercegovacko-neretvanske zupanije Dragan Mandic primio je zapovjednika
SFOR-ove divizije Jugoistok, generala Roberta Meillea, koji ga je tom
prilikom obavijestio kako je specijalna postrojba federalnog MUP-a tijekom
jutra izvela akciju uhicenja pod nadzorom IPTF-a. SFOR-ove postrojbe
sukladno
  SFOR OKRUZIO ZUPANIJSKU POLICIJU

MUP pod opsadom

MOSTAR (Habena) - Snage SFOR-a su nesto iza deset sati blokirale Kamenu
zgradu u Mostaru gdje je smjesten dio MUP-a Hercegovacko-
neretvanske zupanije.
Zatecenim je djelatnicima bio onemogucen izlazak iz zgrade, a ovo nenadano
pojavljivanje transportera SFOR-a i vojnika pod punom ratnom spremom i s
kacigama na glavama izazvalo je veliku pomutnju u prometu i uznemirenost kod
Mostaraca. Blokada je okoncana oko 12 sati kada su se transporteri SFOR-a s
vojnicima povukli s ulica grada.


svom mandatu davale su tom prilikom potporu i osiguravale prostor za
provodenje akcije u kojoj je uhicen Goran Vlajinic, roden 9. travnja 1959.
godine u Mostaru, gdje je i nastanjen i koji se prilikom uhicenja nalazio u
ugostiteljskom objektu "Palm Beach", na gradskoj trznici u Mostaru.

Uhicenik je prevezen u zracnu luku Mostar, gdje je zadrzan oko tri sata i
gdje mu je pruzena lijecnicka pomoc. U tom vremenu utvrdeno je kako to nije
bila trazena osoba, nakon cega su Vlajinica uz ispriku pustili na slobodu.
General Meille je pritom izrazio zaljenje zbog uznemiravanja gradana, istice
se na kraju priopcenja za javnost, odaslanog iz Ureda za odnose s javnoscu
iz Ministarstva unutarnjih poslova Hercegovacko-neretvanske zupanije Mostar.

A sve je pocelo ujutro uhicenjem Gorana Vlajinica Vlaja, bivseg pripadnika
II. mostarske bojne Hrvatskoga vijeca obrane, zbog cega su na vise mjesta u
gradu pripadnici HVIDRE zaprijecili promet vozilima Stabilizacijskih snaga
(SFOR) koji su bili potpora pri Vlajinicevu uhicenju.
Lokalna policija Hercegovacko-neretvanske zupanije nije bila obavijestena o
uhicenju, IPTF nije zelio komentirati akciju, a u tuziteljstvu suda
Hercegovacko-neretvanske zupanije nisu mogli potvrditi je li protiv
Vlajinica podignuta optuznica.

Ocevici su tvrdili kako su akciju uhicenja Vlajinica u kaficu "Palm Beach" u
blizini gradske trznice u zapadnom Mostaru izvele osobe "s maskama na licima
i s natpisom 'policija' na uniformama", dodajuci kako ne znaju o kojoj je
policiji rijec, te da su njihova vozila bila bez
registracijskih oznaka. Pripadnici SFOR-a vidljivo su sudjelovali u akciji
tako sto su osiguravali okolinu.

Ocevici dodaju da je Vlajinicu prilikom stavljanja lisicina ozlijedena ruka.
Jedna osoba koja se nasla u kaficu navodno je ozlijedena kada ju je udarila
jedna od maskiranih osoba.

Nakon Vlajiniceva uhicenja pripadnici HVIDRE zaprijecili su promet na vise
mjesta u gradu, ne dopustivsi prolazak 10 oklopnih vozila SFOR-a.
Vozila SFOR-a povukla su se oko 13.00 sati nakon sto su im pripadnici HVIDRE
vise od sat vremena zaprijecili prolazak kod Carinskog mosta, koji
predstavlja nevidljivu crtu razgranicenja izmedu hrvatskog i muslimanskog
dijela Mostara.
Protekloga mjeseca na isti su nacin bosnjacki policajci, pripadnici
zajednickog hrvatsko-muslimanskog MUP-a u Kiseljaku, uhitili Dominika
Ilijasevica Comu, optuzenog za ratni zlocin, zbog cega je doministar
unutarnjih poslova Federacije BiH Ivan Bacak podnio ostavku. Posebni
izaslanik glavnog tajnika UN-a u BiH Jacques Paul Klein rekao je kako
hrvatski duznosnici u MUP-u nisu bili ukljuceni u akciju uhicenja u
Kiseljaku, optuzujuci ih za "curenje informacija" prigodom pokusaja ranijih
akcija uhicenja osumnjicenih hrvatskih ratnih zlocinaca u BiH.

#8351 From: "angelina markovic" <ninam@...>
Date: Tue Sep 12, 2000 12:44 am
Subject: Fw: Election simulation results
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Subject: [nobombs] Election simulation results

Follow the results of Senet's simulation of presidental elections in Yugoslavia.
Carried over the Internet from August 7 at
 
The majority of votes came from Serbs living abroad. As you can see,
Kostunica got more than 80 percent of votes, while the others split the
rest.
 
The page is still open for voting but most likely we'll reset the votes
and have another run next week, just before the elections.
 
Thanks to everybody who voted.
 
Regards,
P. Minovic
 

 
Vote Number of
Votes
Item
2 Djukanovic
  1.5%
3 Draskovic/Mihajlovic (SPO)
  2.3%
103 Kostunica (DSS/DOS)
  81.7%
14 Milosevic (SPS)
  11.1%
4 Seselj/Nikolic (SRS)
  3.1%
  Total
126
 

#8350 From: "angelina markovic" <ninam@...>
Date: Tue Sep 12, 2000 12:42 am
Subject: NACIONAL: Osnivac laznog HHO-a optuzen za ubojstvo obitelji Zec
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NACIONAL
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7.9.2000

Berislav Jelinic
pise o 'ratnom putu' osnivaca laznog HHO-a


  Osnivac laznog HHO-a optuzen za ubojstvo obitelji Zec

Tomislav Mercep rekao je 1995. Tudmanu da jeZvonimir Trusic naredio ubojstvo
obitelji Zec



       Zvonimir Trusic, jedan od osnivaca laznog Hrvatskog helsinskog odbora
za ljudska prava, naredio je likvidaciju obitelji Zec 1991., tvrdi Tomislav
Mercep, njegov ratni suborac, zapovjednik tzv. Mercepove postrojbe te
kasniji saborski zastupnik. Mercep je to osobno otkrio predsjedniku Franji
Tudmanu u razgovoru u Predsjednickim dvorima 9. travnja 1995. Toga dana
ujutro, u osam sati i trideset minuta, Tudman je Mercepa primio da
razgovaraju o HDZ-u.

    U tom razgovoruMercep se Tudmanu uglavnom zalio na stetno djelovanje
brojnih pojedinaca koje je suprotno izvornoj politici HDZ-a, a u tom je
kontekstu spomenuo i Trusica. Potom je rekao daje Zvonimir Trusic
nalogodavac ubojstva obitelji Mihajla Zeca, te da je radio po napucima
tadasnjeg ministra unutarnjih poslova Ivana Vekica.

    "Nema mojih gresaka, Predsjednice, netko vas je krivo informirao,
pametniji je Mercep nego sto ljudi misle, Vekic vam je radio sve iza leda...
Ali se po meni puca za njegove grijehe, ali za Zec obitelj- ja cuo nisam u
zivotu, vjerujete li vi u to. Ja cuo nisam u zivotu za njih, to je Trusic
Zvonko naredio. Dakle, a po cijoj direktivi? PoSeparovicevoj i Vekicevoj. Ne
znate vi pola stvari o tome, znate", rekao je toga jutra Tomislav Mercep
Franji Tudmanu.

    Mercep se Tudmanu zalio zbog odnosa prema njegovim dragovoljcima, ali i
zbog velikog broja podijeljenih spomenica, sto je, prema njegovu uvjerenju,
Tudmanu sugerirao Milivoj Kujundzic. Kujundzica je potom prozvao starom
udbaskom bitangom, na sto mu je Tudman rekao da je toga svjestan.

    "Kujundzic je bio vise nego bitanga, bio je, znaci jedan tipican UDBOVAC,
koji je i tukao ljude, ali je i sam priznao. Ali Tomice dragi, da nismo isli
da primimo sve, ne bismo imali Hrvatske", rekao je Tudman Mercepu. Kao tvrdi
  hadezeovac, Mercep se Tudmanu vec tada zalio na osipanje stranke, tvrdeci
kako zbog nemara njihovih saborskih zastupnika tijekom saborskih sjednica ne
moze otici ni na WC.

    Mercep je Tudmanu tada izrazio sumnju u brojne clanove tada vladajuce
stranke. Hvalio se kako se sukobio s Ivicom Crnicem, sumnjao u Smiljana
Reljica, ali i podrzavao Antu Potrebicu i Milana Vukovica. Zbog toga sto su
mu pojedini clanovi obitelji srpske nacionalnosti, zgrazao se nad Joskom
Moricem, koji je u to vrijeme, za razliku od njega, u MUP-u bio prilicno
utjecajan. Potom je Tudmanu otkrio da je, po nalogu tadasnjeg ministra
unutarnjih poslova Ivana Vekica, Zvonimir Trusic osobno naredio likvidaciju
obitelji Mihajla Zeca.



   Poznanstvo s Velesajma


       Kako bi se razumjela Mercepova optuzba, potrebno je u cjelini
sagledati odnos Trusica i Mercepa jos od samog pocetka Domovinskog rata.
Trusicev ratni put, i prije Mercepove optuzbe da je narucio ubojstvo
obitelji Zec, bio je obiljezen brojnim optuzbama za teska krsenja ljudskih
prava.

    Tomislav Mercep i Zvonimir Trusic, prema Trusicevim tvrdnjama, upoznali
su se u kolovozu 1991. nakon sto je Mercep otisao iz Vukovara. Mercep se u
to vrijeme, kao formalno priznati duznosnik MUP-a, pojavio u Trusicevoj
kavani "Style" na Zagrebackom velesajmu. Trusic, koji je po vlastitim
tvrdnjama rat docekao kao uspjesan poduzetnik, svoj je ugostiteljski objekt
nazvao jednim od najznacajnijih okupljalista dragovoljaca iz cijele
Hrvatske. Mercep je ondje, donijevsi iskaznice pricuvnog sastava MUP-a,
formalizirao postrojbu koja je u medijima nazvana"Mercepovom postrojbom".
Trusic je pak u to vrijeme pricao kako je od MORH-a ovlasten za nabavu
oruzja i organizaciju vojne industrije. Ondje osnovane postrojbe odlazile su
na razna bojista, gospicko, zapadnoslavonsko, pakracko.



   Ratni zlocini


       Nekoliko mjeseci prije skandaloznih otkrica o ratnim zlocinima koje su
pocinili "Mercepovi decki", Trusic se javno hvalio kako je u vrijeme kad je
Mercep bio ranjen jedno vrijeme preuzeo zapovjednistvo nad njegovom
postrojbom na terenu. Bilo je to vrijeme njihova medusobnog uvazavanja i
velikog prijateljstva.

    "Osjetio sam tada fascinantnu motivaciju, fascinantan patriotizam nasih
dragovoljaca... Nikad nije izrecena naredba: 'Povlacenje!' Uvijek samo: 'Za
mnom!' Ne vjerujem u zapovijedanje iz sklonista, mobitelom na 2030 km. Ovaj
rat trazi prisustvo zapovjednika na mjestu dogadaja... U jednom selu, na
pakrackom podrucju, na tornju pravoslavne crkve bilo je tocno pet
snajperista. Gotovo u isti mah, ubili su dvojicu nasih vrlo mladih boraca,
Juru i Nikolu. Naravno da smo srusili taj toranj!", rekao je Trusic u
travnju 1993.

    Kad su potkraj 1993. u medijima raskrinkane zlocinacke aktivnosti
"Mercepove postrojbe", pokazalo se da Zvonimir Trusic medu njenim
pripadnicima uziva neprijeporan nalogodavni autoritet. To je potvrdivao i
sadrzaj dokumenta objavljenog u prosincu 1993., ciji je puni naziv glasio:
"Informacija sastavljena povodom kriminalisticke obrade u vezi s ubojstvom
Mihajla Zeca, njegove supruge Marije i kcerke Aleksandre, kao i saznanja o
odvodenju osoba srpske nacionalnosti s podrucja grada Zagreba i drugih
podrucja u sjediste jedinice pricuvnog sastava MUP-a RH, gdje je vise tih
osoba, kao i pripadnika jedinice pricuvnog sastava MUP-a RH, liseno zivota".



   Ubojstvo obitelji Zec


       Kad je u kolovozu 1995. Feral Tribune objavio kaznenu prijavu protiv
Tomislava Mercepa i jos 15 pripadnika njegove postrojbe iz Pakracke Poljane,
medu kojima su bili i Munib Suljic, Sinisa Rimac, Igor Mikola, Miroslav
Bajramovic i Stipe Mandarelo, hrvatska javnost bila je detaljno obavijestena
o ulozi Zvonimira Trusica u likvidacijama tijekom ratnih operacija. U
kaznenoj prijavi tvrdi se da je zapovjedio Bajramovicu i Mandarelu mucenje i
ubojstvo Milosa Ivosevica, Rade Paica i Marka Gruica. Zajedno s Mercepom
teretilo ga se i za nalog za likvidaciju Ine Zoricic-Nuic zvane Marina i
Aleksandra Antica Sase te za brojna drugazlodjela.

    Trusicevu ulogu u tim dogadanjima policiji je opisao Nebojsa Hodak: "Za
vrijeme ispitivanja u Pakrackoj Poljani pisane su izjave koje su zavrsavale
kod Mercepa i Zvonka, vlasnika zagrebackog kafica 'Style' na Velesajmu. Ta
su dvojica izjave citala i odlucivala sto ce biti s ljudima." Munib Suljic u
svom je iskazu rekao da je "sve naredbe u vezi s provjerama stanova,
oduzimanjem oruzja i odvodenjem osoba iz stanova s podrucja Zagreba izdavao
Zvonko Trusic..."

    Obitelj- Mihajla Zeca ubijena je 7. prosinca 1991., a prema "Informaciji"
ubojstvo su pocinili Munib Suljic, Sinisa Rimac, Igor Mikola, Nebojsa Hodak
i Snjezana Zivanovic.

    Toga dana u 23 sata u Poljanickoj ulici 22 u Zagrebu ta se grupa ljudi
pred stan obitelji Zec dovezla kombijem i osobnim automobilom marke "golf".



   Kaznena prijava


       Kako je Mihajlo Zec htio pobjeci iz kuce, jedan od Mercepovih ljudi
ubio ga je hicima iz automatske puske. Nakon toga spomenuta grupa otisla je
u kucu, uzela 30.000 dinara i odvezla zenu i kcer ubijenoga do Adolfovca
podno Sljemena te ih ondje takoder likvidirala. Munib Suljic tada je dao
izjavu u kojoj optuzuje Zvonimira Trusica da je izdao nalog da se pocini to
ubojstvo. Trusic je pak te optuzbe izbjegavao komentirati, a poslije ih je
iskoristavao za medijsku samopromociju, nastojeci se prikazati zrtvom
HDZ-ova rezima.

    U vrijeme kad se hrvatska javnost zgrazala nad mucenjima i likvidacijama
Srba, ali i nepocudnih Hrvata, Trusic i Mercep vec su postali nepomirljivi
neprijatelji. Pretpostavlja se da su se posvadali odmah nakon podizanja
kaznene prijave, zbog koje je Trusic duze vrijeme proveo u zatvoru. Mjesec i
pol dana nakon sto ga je Mercep pred Tudmanom optuzio za davanje naloga za
likvidaciju obitelji Zec, Trusic se novinarima jadao da je postao zrtvom
zato sto nije clan HDZ-a kao Tomislav Mercep. Policija ga je nakon duzeg
vremena provedenog u pritvoru pustila na slobodu, a Trusic je tvrdio da je
uspio dokazati svoju nevinost.

    U tijeku kaznenog procesa, zbog proceduralnih pogresaka iz spisa su
izdvojeni iskazi Muniba Suljica, Sinise Rimca, Igora Mikole, Nebojse Hodaka
i Snjezane Zivanovic, a nikada nije otkriveno jesu li te proceduralne
pogreske napravljene namjerno ili slucajno. Istraga je tada bila zamrznuta
na neodredeno vrijeme i bez ikakva obrazlozenja, a pakracki zlocini ponovno
su dospjeli u javnost 1997., izvuceni su iz zaborava nakon ispovijedi
Miroslava Bajramovica Feral Tribuneu, kad je priznao devedesetak ubojstava u
Pakrackoj Poljani.

    Dvadeset prvog rujna 1998. zapocelo je sudenje osmorici "mercepovaca"
zbog zlocina u Pakrackoj Poljani: Munibu Suljicu, Igoru Mikoli, Sinisi
Rimcu, Miroslavu Bajramovicu, Zvonimiru Zakoseku, Kresimiru Prosineckom,
Branku Saricu i Zoranu Karlovicu.



   Razlaz s Mercepom


       Optuznica je podignuta u reduciranom obliku, osumnjiceni su se branili
sutnjom, a vec se po nacinu na koji je optuznica bila srocena stekao dojam
da tadasnje pravosude nastoji zastititi Tomislava Mercepa i ostale
policijske i politicke celnike iz tog vremena.

    Zvonimir Trusic bio je osloboden svih optuzbi. Stovise, poslije je
promoviran u jednog od nacelnika u Ministarstvu branitelja. Svoju esktremno
desnu politicku ideologiju iskazao je i 9. svibnja 1999., kad je sudjelovao
u fizickom obracunu na Trgu hrvatskih velikana, gdje su antifasisti
zahtijevali da se trgu vrati ime Trg zrtava fasizma. U opcem metezu tada je
bacen i suzavac, a Trusic je bio jedan od agilnijih izgrednika u fizickom
obracunu u kojemu je, medu ostalim, danasnji predsjednik Republike Stipe
Mesic dobio letvom po ledima.

    Pokusajem da sebe promovira u celnika organizacije koja se bavi zastitom
ljudskih prava Trusic je na paradoksalan nacin zaokruzio svoje politicko
djelovanje. Taj diplomirani ekonomist, podrijetlom iz okolice Nove Gradiske,
u bivsem sustavu bio je partijski aktivist, voditelj- restorana i sef
sindikata u "Krasu". Poslije je za svoj partijski rad tvrdio da je zapravo
rusenje sustava iznutra.


    Trusic se s Mercepom razisao u prvom redu zbog sukoba interesa oko
utjecaja na dragovoljacke udruge. Stoga nije nemoguce da ga je Mercep,
motiviran upravo tim razilazenjima, optuzio pred Tudmanom da je naredio
ubojstva Mihajla Zeca i njegove obitelji. No pokazalo se da u doba HDZ-ove
vlasti Trusic zbog tih optuzbi nije imao razloga za zabrinutost. Bio je
politicki aktivan, a zelju za drustvenom afirmacijom ispunjavao je
djelatnoscu u udruzi Nezavisnih hrvatskih dragovoljaca te udruzi Akcija za
Hrvatsku "Libertas", koju je osnovao sa Zvonimirom i Brankom Separovic.

    Sada je prosirio svoj politicki angazman osnivanjem laznog Hrvatskog
helsinskog odbora za ljudska prava. To je novi pokusaj da stekne drustvenu
afirmaciju. Tomislav Mercep, njegov nekadasnji ratni drug, ovu Trusicevu
akciju jos nije komentirao.

#8349 From: "angelina markovic" <ninam@...>
Date: Tue Sep 12, 2000 12:37 am
Subject: NACIONAL: Ivo Goldstein pise o sprovodu Milana Levara
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  Ivo Goldstein pise o sprovodu Milana Levara Snimke


  Levarov sprovod - nova hrvatska sramota

Masovnim dolaskom na Levarov sprovod trebalo je osuditi zlocine kojima je
Hrvatska opterecena od svog stvaranja: Umjesto toga, i na sprovodu je
vladala atmosfera straha







       U cetvrtak, 31. kolovoza, bio sam zajedno s ocem Slavkom na sprovodu
Milanu Levaru. Sprovod sam po sebi strasan je dogadaj, pogotovo kad covjek
umre nasilnom smrcu, stovise, kad je mucki ubijen. No sprovod je bio
gospicka, i, jos vise, hrvatska sramota, a mogao je biti dostojanstvena
demonstracija, jasan znak da Gospic i Hrvatska u smrti stoje uz hrabrog
covjeka koji je zelio sprati ljagu s Gospica i Hrvatske. Kako god bilo,
sprovod je slika Gospica i Hrvatske.

    Na pogrebu se okupilo oko stotinu ljudi, ne manje od 90, ne vise od 110.
Milan Levar roden je u Gospicu i tamo je proveo cijeli zivot. Poznavao je
svakoga i svatko jepoznavao njega. Po rijecima Gospicana, na uobicajenom
sprovodu osobe Levarove dobi trebalo bi se okupiti barem pet, ako ne i deset
puta vise ljudi. No mnogi se Gospicani boje. Malo je njih, ponosnih i
hrabrih, koji su savladali strah. Iz Zagreba je stigla delegacija Vlade,
izaslanik predsjednika i nekoliko Levarovih suboraca, eliminiranih s
odgovornih funkcija jos 1991. godine. Stigao je i vijenac HV-a. Govor nije
odrzao nitko. Mladi svecenik rekao je nekoliko uobicajenih rijeci i pozvao
na molitvu. Ni aluzijom nije dao naslutiti da govori na pogrebu covjeka koji
je mucki ubijen.

    Bio je nazocan i Marko Blazevic, predsjednik gospicke opcine u ratno
doba. U drustvu tricetiri zenske osobe stajao je uz ogradu groblja dok je
povorka prolazila.Veselo se drustvo glasno smijalo, a netko od njih glasom
punim zadovoljstva razgovarao je na mobitel. Cini se da je bilo i
dobacivanja onima koji su bili u povorci. Bilo bidragocjeno za javnost,
mozda i za policiju, da doticni gospodin i njegove pratilje objasne sto im
je bilo toliko smijesno.



   Nikoga iz Haaga



Kad u Spanjolskoj ETA ubije nekog lokalnog politicara koji se usudi nesto
reci protiv nje, sest milijuna ljudi izade na ulice i protestira: u
Hrvatskoj je na sprovod covjeka koji je godinama trazio da se kazne zlocini
koji su toboze pocinjeni u ime Hrvatske, doslo samo 100 ljudi


     Medutim, vaznije je koga nije bilo u povorci. Zasto nije stigao neki od
visokih predstavnika Hrvatske vojske u cijim je redovima Levar casno
ratovao? Zasto nisu stigli politicari, predstavnici i predsjednici stranaka
koji nacelno osuduju svaki zlocin? Zasto nije bilo predstavnika medija koji
su svih ovih godina podizali naklade zahvaljujuci svjedocenjima Levara i
njegovih prijatelja? Zasto se nije pojavio nitko od visih
crkvenihdostojanstvenika? Zasto nisu stigli predstavnici raznih nevladinih
udruga, organizacija za promicanje ljudskih prava, razni nezavisni
intelektualci? Zasto nije bilo predstavnika srpskih stranaka i organizacija,
jer je i njima Levar izravno pomagao? Napokon, zasto se nije pojavio nijedan
predstavnik medunarodnih organizacija, posebno Haaskog suda, kojima su
uvijek puna usta zastite ljudskih prava i individualizacije zlocina?

    Lako je biti castan vojnik, demokratski orijentiran politicar,
istinoljubivi novinar, borac za ljudska prava i demokraciju na okruglim
stolovima u zagrebackoj "Esplanadi" ili pod televizijskim reflektorima. Jos
je lakse to biti kad se ode u Bruxelles, London ili New York, ali tesko je
godinama bilo biti Milan Levar u Gospicu.



   Zagreb i Gospic


       Svi ti velikani rijeci mogli su se maknuti iz Zagreba, provozati se
dva i pol sata i pokazati da im je ipak stalo. Kad u Spanjolskoj ETA ubije
lokalnog politicara koji se usudi reci nesto protiv nje, 6.000.000
Spanjolaca izade na ulice i protestira. U Hrvatskoj, sto ljudi dode na
sprovod covjeku koji je godinama trazio da se kazne zlocini koji su toboze
pocinjeni u ime Hrvatske i Hrvata. Ako se uzme u obzir da Spanjolska ima
gotovo deset puta vise stanovnika negoli Hrvatska, onda je odnos i dalje
impresivnih 6000 : 1.

    Oni koji nisu bili na sprovodu ne mogu reci "pravda je na nasoj strani".
Naprotiv, u njihovo se ime samo moze reci "ovo je Hrvatska". Osim sto je
dolazak na sprovod temeljna civilizacijska zasada, u ovom slucaju ima
dodatnu tezinu: nedolazak na sprovod moze se povezati s tolerancijom prema
zlocinu koji opterecuje demokratsku Hrvatsku prakticno od njezina stvaranja.
Masovni dolazak bio bi manifestacija osude zlocina.

    Sada vise uopce nije toliko vazno da se ustanovi je li policija teoretski
mogla ili nije mogla zastititi Milana Levara. Ipak se sve zakuhalo u doba
hadezeovske vlasti. Ova je vlast utoliko odgovorna sto nije pohvatala one
koji su Levaru prijetili. A ne treba puno pameti da se zakljuci kako je isti
krug ljudi upleten u gospicke zlocine 1991. godine. Osim toga, ova je vlast
odgovorna sto ne shvaca, ili barem u javnosti ne zeli priznati, da je jedan
dio teritorija izvan njezine kontrole. U novinama je objavljeno da Levarovi
prijatelji koji su se sklonili u inozemstvo nisu dosli, jer su se bojali da
ce biti ubijeni. Je li moguce da vlast ne bi mogla garantirati sigurnost tim
ljudima? Levarova udovica Vesna, pa i drugi ljudi, tvrde da su im se neki
policajci smijali u lice. Mogu li ti ljudi i dalje raditi u policiji ove
drzave? Vesna Levar tvrdi da joj ovih dana prilaze Gospicani, izrazavaju
sucut, te da se ispricavaju da nisu dosli na sprovod, jer su se bojali.
Dakle, jedan od dosega nase ubrzane demokratizacije, ukljucivanja u
euroatlantske integracije, itd., jest da se velik dio stanovnika Gospica
boji ici na sprovod svoga sugradanina.

    Kako god bilo, ohrabruju nedvosmislene i ostre ocjene predsjednika Mesica
i premijera Racana. Medutim, pitanje je hoce li nakon njihovih rijeci
slijediti isto toliko efikasna djela. Naime, posljednjih godina, pa onda i
posljednjih dana, u mnogim novinama razni ljudi za gospicke zlocine optuzuju
jedne te iste osobe. Valjda policija zna i nesto sto javnost ne zna, valjda
nesto ima i u arhivima. Sto se ceka s hapsenjima? Danasnjoj vlasti,
sastavljenoj od casnih i dobronamjernih ljudi, prijeti opasnost da izgubi
vezu sa stvarnoscu. Nije Hrvatska ono sto se vidi iz sjevernih dijelova
Zagreba. Hrvatska je Gospic. Doduse, zabiti, zaboravljeni, zapusteni dio
Hrvatske, ali neosporno vazan dio Hrvatske. Dio Hrvatske na kojem hrvatska
demokracija pada ili prolazi. U Gospicu vlada strah. Svim mjerama koje stoje
na raspolaganju demokratskoj drzavi Gospicu valja pomoci da postane dio
Hrvatske. Posve je jasno da Gospicani nemaju snage da ukazu na pocinioce
zlocina 1991., kao ni na one koji su ubili Levara. Pitanje je ima li to
Hrvatska.



   Savjest javnosti


       Levar je mnogo govorio u javnosti. Vjerovao je da ce ga javnost
zastititi. Prevario se. Javnost mu nije pomogla, a potom ga je izdala na
sprovodu. Javnost to moze doneklepopraviti: stalnim pritiskom da se nade
Levarov ubojica (ili ubojice), stalnim pritiskom da se procesuiraju ratni
zlocini. Hoce li neka stranka organizirati skup s tim ciljem, hoce li se
netko sjetiti osnovati fond pomoci Levarovoj obitelji, hoce li se Levara
odlikovati? Levar nije trebao biti ubijen da bi se hrvatska drzava i
hrvatsko drustvo pokrenuli da razotkriju gospicke zlocine. Sada je na drzavi
i drustvu da idu Levarovim putem. Svatko tko nije bio na sprovodu, a trebao
je biti, treba o svom nedolasku dobro razmisliti. I zakljuciti kako je takvu
gresku ucinio posljednji put. Vrijeme za razmisljanje ubrzano istjece. Svima
nama.

#8348 From: "angelina markovic" <ninam@...>
Date: Tue Sep 12, 2000 12:32 am
Subject: NACIONAL : Nacional otkriva: sok u Vladi - stigla haaska subpoena
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  Jasna Babic donosi nove dokaze da je general Petkovic lazno svjedocio
protiv Tihomira Blaskica Snimke: Nacionalova dokumentacija


  Nacional otkriva: sok u Vladi - stigla haaska subpoena

Haag je poslao subpoenu generalu Petkovicu koji ce morati opet svjedociti:
Milivoj Petkovic u Haag ce otici kao svjedok, a mogao bi zavrsiti kao
osumnjiceni



       Prije gotovo tri mjeseca iz Haaga je stigla subpoena za Milivoja
Petkovica koja je toliko uznemirila zagovornike tzv. uvjetne hrvatskohaaske
suradnje i neke hrvatske generale da je informacija dobila status nesluzbene
drzavne tajne. Bivsi nacelnik Glavnoga stozera HVO-a i danasnji sef Zbornog
podrucja Ston pozvan je u zavrsnicu haaskog procesa protiv Darija Kordica.
Dok je, medutim, u "slucaju Blaskic" njegov nastup - sto se Haaga tice - bio
dobrovoljan, ovaj put Petkovicu je upucen bespogovorni nalog za svjedocenje,
uz prijetnju kaznom.

    O haaskoj subpoeni obavijesteni su Savjet za odnose s medunarodnim
kaznenim sudom, Ministarstvo obrane, Glavni stozer HV-a i svi clanovi
koalicijske vlade. No, zbog nerijesenog sukoba oko hrvatskohaaskih odnosa,
tiho je povucen samo jedan potez: Petkovicevo ime naslo se na poduzem popisu
visokih casnika Hrvatske vojske koje, prema prijedlogu ministra obrane,
valja poslati u mirovinu. Ceka se jos samo potpis Stipe Mesica, predsjednika
drzave i vrhovnog zapovjednika oruzanih snaga.

    Procjenjuje se da je Petkovicevo novo saslusanje vrlo rizicno, kako za
politicke planere i vojne aktere hrvatskomuslimanskog rata, tako i za njega
samoga. U novim okolnostima, s novopronadenim dokumentima i osobito nakon
MUP-ove istrage "slucaja Ahmici", Petkovica bi mogli optuziti da se u svom
prvom haaskom nastupu, u proljece 1999., ogrijesio o one paragrafe haaskoga
Statuta koji govore o ometanju pravde. Jos veci pesimisti predvidaju da ce
Petkovic u Nizozemsku otputovati kao svjedok, a vratiti se kao osumnjicenik.
U trecoj varijanti, Petkovic bi, pritijesnjen cinjenicama, napokon mogao
ispricati sve sto zna. A zna mnogo.

    Po svemu sudeci, obvezujuci haaski poziv za bivseg nacelnika Glavnoga
stozera HVO-a jedan je od glavnih razloga sto je Jozo Rados, sadasnji
ministar obrane, spomenuto izvjesce MUP-a nazvao pukom "spekulacijom"
domacih policijskih umova. Haaska subpoena, cini se, nadahnula je Pavla
Miljavca, bivseg ministra obrane, da u nedjeljnom broju Slobodne Dalmacije,
uz mnostvo kontradikcija i nekoliko sitnih lazi, elaborira tezu o korisnosti
i dobrohotnosti Petkoviceva svjedocenja u "slucaju Blaskic". Istodobno,
dokumenti koje posjeduje Nacionala pokazuju da je Miljavac osobno bio
nazocan kad je izdan nalog da Petkovic u Haagu smije govoriti iskljucivo u
korist "hrvatske drzavne politike".



   Zakopani dokumenti


       U izvjescu MUP-a, podsjecamo, imenovani su glavni ahmicki egzekutori,
ali i njihovi politicki nalogodavci i zastitnici. Kao dio iste strategije
skrivanja pravih zlocinaca, rekonstruirana je i HDZ-ova obavjestajna urota
protiv obrane Tihomira Blaskica. U izvjescu se takoder tvrdi da je pred
haaskim sucima u proljece 1999. Petkovic recitirao tek dobro nauceni i
naruceni tekst, uvjezban s dvojicom generala i jednim viceadmiralom Hrvatske
vojske: Antom Gotovinom, Markicom Rebicem i Davorom Domazetom.

    Tako su javno objavljeni nalazi domacih policijskih istrazitelja postali
opasan putokaz za skorasnje haasko saslusanje Milivoja Petkovica.

    I bez MUP-ova izvjesca ciji je sadrzaj publiciran u proslom broju
Nacionala, haaska subpoena bila bi velika nevolja za bivseg i buduceg
haaskog svjedoka. U procesu protiv Tihomira Blaskica bivsi nacelnik Glavnoga
stozera HVO-a dao je iskaz koji se u tom trenutku doista nije mogao
osporiti. Iako Anto Nobilo vec odavno tvrdi da je Petkovic haaskim sucima
prezentirao gomilu lazi, svjesno i planski otezavsi obranu njegova klijenta,
dokazni materijal koji bi potvrdio vjerodostojnost Blaskiceva odvjetnika bio
je zakopan u HIS-ovu podrumu i pod kontrolom SIS-ovske "grupe Haag".

    U proljece 1999. Petkovic je, primjerice, uvjeravao haaske suce da je
Tihomir Blaskic, kao zapovjednik Operativne zone HVO-a Srednja Bosna imao
jedinstvenu zapovjednu nadleznost nad teritorijem cijele Lasvanske doline.
No u meduvremu su pronadene stotine ratnih izvjesca koja govore drukcije:
Blaskic, prije svega, nije imao vlast nad kiseljackim poducjem Lasvanske
doline.



   Ivica Rajic i VRS


       "Izvjestavamo Vas da je GSS Vojske Republike Srpske dao suglasnost za
Vas nesmetani prolazak preko teritorija Republike Srpske za Kiseljak", pise
u izvjescu sto ga je Petkovicu 9. prosinca 1993. uputio Ivica Rajic,
zlocinac iz Stupnoga Dola, potpisujuci se kao zapovjednik IZM 1 - Kiseljak.
Kratica oznacava Izdvojeno zapovjedno mjesto broj 1. Drugim rijecima, sve
ono sto je HVO cinio u Kiseljaku nije imalo nikakve veze s Tihomirom
Blaskicem, pa cak ni cinjenica da je Rajic, eto, jamcio Petkovicu slobodan i
siguran prolaz preko bosanskohercegovackih podrucja pod srpskom kontrolom.

    Drugi dokument u posjedu Nacionala svjedoci da Blaskic - opet suprotno
Petkovicevu svjedocenju - nije zapovijedao ni specijalnom postrojbom
Vitezovi pod vodstvom Darka Kraljevica.

    "Od podmuklih muslimanskih snaga ocistili smo veliki dio grada i
konstantno napadamo", dan nakon ahmickog masakra, 17. travnja 1993., pise
Kraljevic Glavnom stozeru HVO-a i Petkovicu osobno. Ako je pak Blaskic imao
potpuno vlast nad specijalnim jedinicama, zasto izvjesce o "ciscenju
podmuklih muslimanskih snaga" nije naslovljeno na vitesko zapovjednistvo,
nego na nacelnika Glavnoga stozera HVO-a i njegova pomocnika za specijalne
operacije Ivicu Primorca?

    Uza sve to, nalaz MUP-a o laziranom iskazu pred Haaskim tribunalom u
proljece 1999. rusi i posljednje iluzije o nekoj novoj verziji svjedocenja
koje bi Petkovicu i njegovim vojnopolitickim mentorima spasilo generalsku
cast. Jer, ipak, Petkovic to nije ucinio dobrovoljno, kako tvrdi Miljavac u
Slobodnoj Dalmaciji; na to ga je natjerao Markica Rebic,.



   Licemjerje


       Izvjesce hrvatskoga MUP-a podudara se, naime, sa stenogramom sastanka
tadasnjeg sefa drzave Franje Tudmana i delagacije Hrvatske vojske od 13.
travnja 1999. Stenogram nedsvosmisleno pokazuje da Petkovic nije ni morao ni
zelio svjedociti u "slucaju Blaskic". Stovise, moleci da ga se postedi
haaskoga gostovanja, strepio je da ga Haaski tribunal nikad vise nece
ostaviti na miru. Miljavac je dijelio Petkovicevo misljenje. No unatoc
radikalnom protivljenju svakoj hrvatskohaaskoj suradnji, jedini je Markica
Rebic zacudujuce uporno inzistirao na Petkovicevu pojavljivanju pred haaskim
sucima.

    U stenogramu je, stovise, zabiljezena nedvosmislena Miljavceva tvrdnja
kako sam Petkovic trazi da ga vojnopoliticki vrh barem instruira sto ce
govoriti pred Haaskim tribunalom. Zato Miljavac izvjescuje nazocne - Franju
Tudmana, Antu Gotovinu, Kresimira cosica, Davora Domazeta i Markicu Rebica -
da je na poziv Haaskoga suda Petkovic reagirao ovakvim upozorenjem: "Cujte -
morate znati da ja mogu svjedociti u korist Tihomira Blaskica, ali i u
korist Republike Hrvatske. Vi morate donijeti odluku."

    Stenogram govori da je Tudman donio trazenu odluku vec na istom sastanku,
dakako, "u korist Hrvatske" i na Blaskicevu stetu. Prema njegovu izricitom
nalogu, bivsi nacelnik Glavnoga stozera HVO-a pred Haaskim tribunalom morao
je reci da Hrvatska vojska nije sudjelovala u ratu u BiH i da, prema tome,
nije postojala podzemna zapovjedna veza izmedu Zagreba i HVO-a.



   Supervizori


       "... Obrana Blaskica brani samo Blaskica, a ne interes Republike
Hrvatske", zali se Ante Gotovina svojim kolegama.

    "Njegova obrana ide u pravcu osloboditi Blaskica i optuziti Republiku
Hrvatsku", ponavlja nesto kasnije Davor Domazet.

    I doista, Petkovic je dva mjeseca poslije svjedocio preko videolinka iz
zagrebacke vojne baze UN-a na aerodromu Pleso. Teze za njegovo saslusanje
unaprijed su dostavljene hrvatskim vlastima, u haaskoj sudnici sjedila su
dvojica supervizora, spremnih da Petkovicu zabrane nezeljeni odgovor. Kako
je na zahtjev hrvatskih vlasti iz toga dijela sudske rasprave iskljucena
javnost, jedino se iz aluzija Blaskiceva odvjetnika Ante Nobila dalo
naslutiti sto je Petkovic rekao haaskim sucima.

    Ukratko, Petkovic je uvjerio suce u Blaskicevu apsolutnu vlast i kontrolu
nad svim hrvatskim postrojbama u Lasvanskoj dolini, ukljucujuci jedinice
koje su likvidirale muslimansko selo Ahmici. Za Haaski tribunal ta je
tvrdnja mogla imati samo jedno znacenje: bivsi sef operativne zone Srednja
Bosna, kao apsolutni i jedini kontrolor HVO-a u tom dijelu BiH, davao je
zapovijedi za etnicko ciscenje Muslimana od Busovace do Kiseljaka, pa tako i
za likvidaciju Ahmica.

    Nacionalu nije poznato je li stenogram od 13. travnja 1999. posluzio
MUP-ovim istraziteljima u sastavljanju zasad tajnog izvjesca o "slucaju
Ahmici". Ipak, nema nikakve sumnje da se MUP-ova rekonstrukcija zlocina
oslanja na mnostvo drugih stenograma i arhivskih dokumenata koji su napokon
stigli do regularnih hrvatskih institucija. Uostalom, sastanak od 13.
travnja 1999. bio je tek prvi u cijeloj seriji snimljenih i stenogramski
zabiljezenih dogovora o Petkovicevu haaskom nastupu, sto znaci da MUP danas
raspolaze i onim dokumentima koji Nacionalu, razumljivo, nisu dostupni.



   Velika zamka


       Utoliko je Miljavcev intervju u nedeljnom broju Slobodne Dalmacije
jalov pokusaj da se Petkovic, nakon haaske subpoene, spasi katastrofe koja
je zapocela vec u njegovu ministarskom mandatu.

    Sastanak Franje Tudmana i hrvatskih generala od 13. travnja 1999. zakazan
je - kako se vidi iz stenograma - zbog izmijenjenih politickih okolnosti na
Balkanu u uvjetima NATO-ovih bombardiranja susjedne Jugoslavije. Posto je
zakljuceno da su iznenada poboljsani hrvatskoamericki odnosi, sto valja
iskoristiti u propagandnopoliticke svrhe, Tudman je prvi put informiran o
haaskom pozivu za Milivoja Petkovica. Miljavac je problem fakticki nametnuo
mimo predvidenog dnevnog reda.

    "I mozda jos jedno, gospodine predsjednice, sto ocekujem, nitko nije dao
tome dovoljno pozornosti i to sam vas mislio izvijestiti: general Petkovic
je dobio poziv za svjedocenje", pripomenuo je Miljavac nakon zavrsenih
hrvatskoamerickih tema.

    "Za svjedocenje? Cega?", reagirao je Tudman, ocito zacuden prilicno
starom vijescu. Po svemu sudeci, Miljavac je naceo temu koju je Rebic,
tadasnji predsjednikov savjetnik za nacionalnu sigurnost, namjeravao
izbjeci, kako bi odluku o Petkovicevu svjedocenju donio samostalno, na svoj
nacin.

    "To je po meni jedna velika zamka... On moze otici tamo... Moze se cak i
vratiti, ali moze nakon toga mjesec dana biti podignuta optuznica. Mislim da
nitko ne percipira taj problem kao takav, nego jednostavno on je pozvan, svi
na neki nacin sute, svi koji trebaju tu reagirati, ne reagiraju",
objasnjavao je Miljavac u nekoj vrsti uvoda u svoj konacni prijedlog za
odbijanje haaskoga poziva.

    "Ne moze se razumjeti poziv generalu Petkovicu, ako se usamljeno
analizira. Dakle, ovaj put sudsko vijece, ne na prijedlog tuzitelja, nego
sudsko vijece okoncavajuci Blaskicev sustav trazi Petkovica", oglasio se
Rebic potpuno svjestan kamo Miljavac smjera. No, unatoc Rebicevu poduzem
elaboriranju korisnosti Petkoviceva pojavljivanja pred Haaskim tribunalom za
hrvatsku drzavnu politiku, svi generali, svaki iz svojih razloga, podrzali
su Miljavcev stav o zamkama i rizicima Petkoviceva haaskog ispitivanja.



   Svijest o riziku


       "Ja bih naglasio jedno - general Petkovic je osoba koja je dolje bila
najdulje i od samog pocetka, na svim mjestima uz gospodina Bobana, a u
hrvatskomuslimanskim sukobima direktno na cijelom prostoru u Sarajevu, u
srednjoj Bosni. Prema tome, to je jedan od hrvatskih generala koji
vjerojatno najbolje zna cijelu pricu. Moze biti vrlo riskantno da neka
pitanja koja direktno uopce ne moraju imati veze s Blaskicem budu za nas
neprihvatljiva. General Petkovic previse toga zna...", rekao je Kresimir
cosic, zamjenik ministra obrane, jos eksplicitnije objasnjavajuci zasto bi
Petkovic mogao otputovati u Haag kao svjedok, a vratiti se kao osumnjiceni.

    "Ja vam tvrdim da cemo mi dobiti sve garancije od suda i mi imamo pravo
kraj generala Petkovica imati covjeka iz Ministarstva obrane koji ce sjediti
i davati mu mogucnost, odnosno zabranjivati mu odgovoriti na neka pitanja.
Na taj su nacin i Amerikanci odgovarali. Osim toga, mi smo s njime u
neposrednoj vezi vec tri i pol godine, radimo s Petkovicem oko svih tih
stvari. On je nama bio i suradnik i pomagac da rasvijetlimo neke stvari u
pripremi obrane Blaskica. Znaci on je s nama in continuo u vezi, a sada ga
posebno vec nekoliko dana priprema tim koji radi na tome", inzistirao je
Rebic.



   Strah od odvjetnika


       "Moramo imati u vidu obranu Blaskica. Isto tako generalu Petkovicu ce
i Nobilo postavljati pitanja... Po mom misljenju, obrana Blaskica je krenula
tako lose i zasigurno ne dobro. Zato ja mislim da bi tu trebalo jos
razmisliti da li bi general Petkovic trebao ici svjedociti u Haag",
nadovezao se Ante Gotovina, strepeci, kako se vidi, mnogo vise od
Blaskicevih odvjetnika nego od Blaskicevih tuzitelja.

    "Ja se ponovo vracam na to da mi nemamo ni jedan razlog kojim bismo
argumentirali neodlazak generala Petkovica...", ponavljao je Rebic.

    "Da li oni u zahtjevu da dode svjedociti govore o tome o cemu ga zele
pitati", zanimalo je Tudmana.

    "Pitanja nema unaprijed", odgovorio je Miljavac.

    "Treba unaprijed odrediti", nalozio je sef drzave.

    "Nema unaprijed", ponovio je Miljavac.

    "Onda nece ici", zakljucio je Tudman, nakon cega se u diskusiju ukljucio
i Davor Domazet, tadasnji nacelnik Glavnoga stozera. Sjecajuci se vlastitih
strahova dok je gostovao u Haagu kao ekspertni svjedok i on je podsjetio
Tudmana na nepouzdanost Blaskiceve obrane. Gotovina se na to nadovezao,
sasvim jasnom tvrdnjom da bi tragom Petkoviceva iskaza Haaski tribunal mogao
otkriti dobro skrivenu vezu Zagreba i Herceg Bosne.

    "Dok oni pozivaju generala Petkovica, oni imaju jedan plan", tumacio je
sef vojnoga inspektorata. "A mi moramo imati u vidu da svi, dok je bio
general Petkovic nacelnik Glavnoga stozera HVO-a, da svi njegovi razgovori,
svi njegovi sastanci su bili snimljeni, sto znaci da ce mu postaviti pitanje
i otkriti mu cinjenice i materijalne dokaze i nesto drugo. Ja mislim da oni
zele tu navuci kompletno na vrh prema Zagrebu."



   Podvale Blaskicu


       "Ja sam dva puta razgovarao s njim kada je doslo i onda je jedna
percepcija bila upravo ova njegova - Cujte, vi morate znati da ja mogu
svjedociti u korist Blaskica, ali mogu i u korist Republike Hrvatske. Vi
morate odluciti. Pitao sam: kako to mislite? Tako, jer kaze, ja znam sve.
Percepcija je jedna na kojoj cemo mi stvarati nasu obranu. Kaze: to je
rizicno, da ja odlazim. Prema tome, ako ja imam stopostotne garancije, ipak
nije recano da me nece nakon mjesec dana ponovo zvati", pokusao je Miljavac
jos jednom ustrasiti Tudmana prepricavajuci svoj dijalog s pozvanim haaskim
svjedokom.

    "Momentalno sam sklon odluci da kazemo da hrvatski generali ni kao
svjedoci ni kao optuzeni ne idu u Haag. Ja sa haaskim problemom nisam imao
nikakve veze, nisam sudjelovao u tome, ali cini se...", izjavio je Tudman,
vec spreman popustiti Miljavcevu prijedlogu. Ali se opet oglasio Markica
Rebic, dajuci na znanje da ista nacela i istu nepopustvljivost ne bi trebalo
primijeniti na hrvatske generale iz BiH.

    "Cini mi se da je drasticno razlicita situacija kada se pozivaju hrvatski
generali u svezi sa Olujom i ova druga situacija", izavio je Rebic, ne
izjasnjavajuci se, medutim, zbog cega su generali HV-a dostojni medunarodnih
sankcija protiv Hrvatske, dok se generale HVO-a, eto, moze i zrtvovati.

    "Molim, ako moze ici svjedociti samo na to da li je bilo redovnih
postrojbi u Lasvanskoj dolini, da nije bilo, moze ici. Ali nista drugo", na
posljetku je popustio Tudman, posto ga je Rebic uvjerio kako ce Petkovic
ispricati haaskim sucima samo ono sto mu bude dopusteno.

    Pokazalo se da je Petkovicev strah bio bolji procjenjitelj- buducnosti od
velike obavjestajne pameti Tudmanova savjetnika za nacionalnu sigurnost.
Pojavivsi se pred Sudskim vijecem Medunarodnog kaznenog suda, "preparirani"
svjedok izgovorio je tekst kojim je, istina, zapecatio Blaskicevu sudbinu,
ali kojim je danas i samoga sebe doveo u nezavidan polozaj. Opet je, eto,
pozvan u Haag, ali se vise ne zna kakvim bi to narucenim i naucenim tekstom
mogao opravdati otkrica MUP-ovih istrazitelja o ahmickom zlocinu i
politickim podvalama Tihomiru Blaskicu.

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Date: Tue Sep 12, 2000 12:23 am
Subject: GA: Haaski sud trazi svjedocenje generala Milivoja Petkovica
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Haaski sud trazi svjedocenje generala Milivoja Petkovica (5/9/00)


Javlja Zeljko Matic


Hrvatska Vlada je danas povrdila kako je primila subpoenu kojom se trazi
svjedocenje generala Milivoja Petkovica pred haskim tribunalom. Zahvaljujuci
tjedniku "Nacional" koji se jutros pojavio na kioscima s generalovom slikom
i naslovom "General Petkovic pod prijetnjom kazne mora svjedociti u Hagu" i
podnaslovom "Otici ce kao svjedok, a mogao bi zavrsiti kao osumnjicenik"
hrvatska javnost je i ovaj, po tko zna koji put, o odnosima Vlade i haskog
suda, najprije izvijescena iz novina.

Potvrdjujuci tocnost "Nacionalovih" tvrdnji, Vladi je preostalo samo opovrci
dio koji se odnosi na primitak subpoene. Naime, dok "Nacional" tvrdi da je
subpoena, odnosno zahtjev za svjedocenje pod prijetnjom kaznene
odgovornosti, zaprimljen prije tri mjeseca, Vlada tvrdi da se to dogodilo
tek polovicom kolovoza.

Haski tribunal trazi svjedocenje generala Petkovica u slucaju bivseg
potpredsjednika Hrvatske zajednice Herceg-Bosne Darija Kordica, te bivseg
zapovjednika Viteske brigade Marija Cerkeza. Sudjenje Dariju Kordicu je
pocelo u travnju prosle godine i privodi se kraju, bas kao i Mariju Cerkezu
koje je u fazi obrane. General Milovoj Petkovic je kao haski svjedok poznat
iz slucaja generala Tihomira Blaskica kojem je haski tribunal presudio 45
godina zatvora. "Nacional", bas kao i Blaskicevi odvjetnici, drze da je
upravo Petkovicevo svjedocenje pokopalo Blaskica jer je on svjedocio kako je
Blaskic imao cjelokupnu zapovjednu odgovornost nad jedinicama HVO-a koje su
djelovale u Lasvanskoj dolini. Kasnije objavljeni dokumenti govore da to
nije bilo tako vec da su postojale paralelene zapovjedne linije.

U medjuvremenu, objavljeni su i transkripti iz Ureda predsjednika koji
pokazuju kako je uoci svjedocenja u Hagu Petkovic bio prepariran odnosno
instruiran da lazno svjedoci protiv Blaskica i to uz sudjelovanje generala
Domazeta i Gotovine i uz znanje najviseg drzavnog vrha. Na ovaj potez se,
prema transkriptima, tadasnji drzavni vrh odlucio jer je procijenio da bi
obranom Blaskica i otkrivanjem stvarnih vinovnika zlocina u srednjoj Bosni,
Blaskic mozda i bio oslobodjen, ali bi bila optuzena hrvatska drzava odnosno
njezin vrh. General Petkovic je svojedobno bio nacelnik Glavnog stozera
HVO-a, a jos uvijek obnasa duznost zapovjednika Zbornog podrucja Ston, makar
je, kako su nam potvrdili i u Ministarstvu obrane, njegovo umirovljenje
pitanje dana.

#8346 From: "angelina markovic" <ninam@...>
Date: Tue Sep 12, 2000 12:16 am
Subject: GA: Dr DZON HALSMAN
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Ponedeljak,
11. septembar, 2000.


SARADNIK ZA EVROPSKA PITANJA U FONDACIJI "HERITIDZ",
Dr  DZON HALSMAN:


"IRONICNO JE DA ISTI LJUDI KOJI SU BILI PROTIV VIJETNAMSKOG RATA, SADA
KORISTE ARGUMENTE SVOJIH OCEVA DA BI OPRAVDALI ANGAZOVANOST NA KOSOVU"





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Tokom nedavnog intervjua visi naucni saradnik za evropska pitanja u
fondaciji "Heritidz" (Heritage), Dr. Dzon Halsman (John Hulsman), osvrnuo
se, izmedju ostalog, na kontroverzno pitanje ostanka ili moguceg odlaska
americkih snaga sa Kosova. Razgovor sa Dr. Halsmanom vodio je nas saradnik,
Branko Mikasinovich.

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BM: U americkom Kongresu i institucijama koje se bave spoljnom politikom vec
duze vreme traje debata o tome da li bi americke snage trebalo da ostanu ili
da se povuku sa Kosova. Kao autor nekoliko napisa o toj tematici, koje je
objavila ugledna vasingtonska fondacija
"Heritidz", kakvo je vase misljenje o tom pitanju?

JH: Uzimajuci u obzir potpun neuspeh kosovske misije, Sjedinjene Drzave bi
trebalo da pocnu da razmisljaju o povlacenju svojih snaga sa Kosova. Svakako
bi trebalo da unapred o tome obavestimo nase saveznike i da se dogovorimo da
li oni zele da ostanu na Kosovu, nakon sto mi odemo. Ukoliko ne zele, mi bi
trebalo da pocnemo postepeno povlacenje iz te pokrajine.

BM: Prokomentarisite nam razloge za i protiv povlacenja americkih snaga sa
Kosova?

JH: Postoje tri osnovna razloga zbog kojih se smatra da bi trebalo da
ostanemo na Kosovu, ali niko ne smatra da se stvari razvijaju povoljno.
Ironicno je da isti ljudi koji su bili protiv Vijetnamskog rata, sada
koriste argumente svojih oceva da bi opravdali angazovanost na Kosovu, i
govore da moramo pridobiti srce i dusu naroda Kosova, sto se nije desilo u
Vijetnamu, pa nece ni na Kosovu. Ti ljudi zatim tvrde da je verodostojnost
SAD dovedena u pitanje. Verodostojnost je kao poker; ove godine ste ulozili
toliko, a iduce godine dvostruko vise. Problematicnost tog argumenta je da
ce se neuspeh na Kosovu, deset godina od sada zaboraviti, a verodostojnost
nece biti nikakav faktor. Po toj logici mi nikada necemo napustiti taj
region. U stvari, postacemo Rimska imperija. Smatram da su to pogresni
argumenti. Jos tri argumenta politicke prirode su: da bi - ukoliko nase
snage napuste Kosovo - doslo do novih nereda u toj pokrajini. Mislim da je
to takodje pogresna teza, jer je nemira bilo i pre i tokom americkog
angazovanja, a bice ih i kasnije. Ako pogledate sta se dogadja sa srpskom
manjinom na Kosovu, nesumnjivo je da se radi o obrnutom etnickom ciscenju
ili nekom vidu etnicke podele. Multietnicki entitet nije ostvaren. Drugi
argument, da je na Kosovu postignut znacajan napredak u izgradnji drzavnih
institucija, nije tacan. Americki komandant KAFOR-a, general Sancez, izjavio
je da ce americke trupe ostati na Kosovu najmanje dvadesetak godina. U
izvestaju Saveznog ureda za finansijska poslovanja, ukazuje se da na Kosovu
nije postignut napredak na izgradnji koherentne nacije i da su dalji neredi
sasvim moguci. U medjuvremenu, kada je glavni administrator Ujedinjenih
nacija na Kosovu, Bernar Kusner (Bernard Kouchner), upitan da li je UNMIK
postigao bilo kakav uspeh na Kosovu tokom 14-mesecne uprave u toj pokrajini,
izjavio je dva puta da nema nista pozitivno da saopsti o tome. Ako on i
drugi ljudi na terenu, koji su svakako bolje obavesteni od ovdasnjih
analiticara, smatraju da nije postignut napredak, spreman sam da prihvatim
njihovo misljenje. Treci argument - po kojem bi se nasim napustanjem Kosova
ugrozila verodostojnost Sjedinjenih Drzava i mozda ugrozili vitalni americki
interesi, apsolutno je netacan. Kakvu verodostojnost cemo sacuvati ako
odrzavamo neuspelu misiju. Ideja da ce zbog Kosova doci do "domino efekta"
ne moze se primeniti na Evropu, kao sto nije mogla ni u slucaju Vijetnama.
Vlade nisu pale niti je doslo do nemira drugde u tom regionu, nakon
Vijetnama. U stvari, sada Vijetnam zeli da se pridruzi zemljama jugoistocne
Azije, koje je, u kontekstu tih tvrdnji, Vijetnam trebalo da napadne ili
osvoji. Slicno tome, nece doci do nereda u Nemackoj, Francuskoj ili Velikoj
Britaniji, ako situacija na Kosovu ostane nestabilna. Argument da Sjedinjene
Drzave treba da ostanu na Kosovu da bi se sprecilo sirenje nestabilnosti
medju nasim evropskim saveznicima, sasvim je neosnovan. Takvo glediste nije
bilo tacno sedamdesetih, niti je tacno danas u dvehiljaditoj godini.

BM: Za Kosovo se cesto kaze, kao sto rekoste, da je od vitalne vaznosti za
zastitu americkih interesa. Koji su to interesi?

JH: Postoje americki interesi, ali oni svakako nisu vitalni. Da bi
definisali vitalne interese, to bi trebalo da budu interesi za koje ste
spremni da ratujete. Po toj definiciji, sadasnja administracija je postavila
to pitanje sasvim naopako. Naime, mi smo uputili nase snage u taj reigon da
bi ustanovili koji su nasi interesi, umesto da prvo utvrdimo sta su nasi
interesi, a zatim da se angazujemo. Znaci, prvo moramo ustanoviti sta je
vazno, a zatim odluciti da li bi trebalo da se vojno angazujemo. Prema
Kosovu nemamo obaveza u skladu sa clanom pet povelje Ujedinjenih nacija i ta
pokrajina nije clanica NATO-a, tako da napad na nju nije napad na sve. Mi
nemamo nikakve trgovinske odnose sa tom pokrajinom, kao sto je to slucaj za
sa zapadnoevropskim saveznicima, niti postoje neke tradicionalne visevekovne
veze sa Kosovom. Tako da nema stvarnog razloga da Kosovo za nas bude od
vitalnog interesa. To bi upravo trebalo jasno reci ljudima koji zele da se
ova misija nastavi. Istovremeno, to ne znaci da mi nemamo nikakvih interesa
za Kosovo. Mi smo zainteresovani za Kosovo i trebalo bi da stvarno
razmisljamo o celom jugoistocnom delu Evrope, u svetlu regionalne
perspektive da bi odstranili stvari koje nam se ne dopadaju.

#8345 From: "angelina markovic" <ninam@...>
Date: Mon Sep 11, 2000 11:00 pm
Subject: MC: Radovan Raka Radovic -- SILOVANJE NARODA
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MEDIJA CENTAR
11. septembar 2000.





  (Autor je bivsi poslanik Socijalisticke partije Srbije u Skupstini Srbije )


  Radovan Raka Radovic
  SILOVANJE NARODA

Ne mogu da predvidim ko ce sledeci posle Zorana Lilica napustiti
Socijalisticku partiju Srbije. Jedino sto mogu da kazem je da bi - kada bi
hteli da otvore dusu, kada bi imali petlju, kada bi smeli da kazu sve sto im
je na dusi  u tom slucaju  devedeset odsto socijalista napustilo stranku i
preslo na moju stranu, kaze Radovan Raka Radovic, povodom ostavki koje je
Zoran Lilic podneo na sve svoje funkcije.

Moj prijatelj! I Zoran Lilic je izasao. Sada mi je jos milije, posto se
nalazim u drustvu akademika Mihaila Markovica i Zorana Lilica, bivseg
predsednika Jugoslavije, predsednika Narodne Skupstine Srbije, mog
prijatelja i mogu reci, sigurno najboljeg predsednika kojeg je Skupstina
Srbije imala. Moracu odmah da kontaktiram Lilica.

Njegov odlazak znaci da je Socijalisticka partija Srbije u velikoj krizi i
da treba sto pre naci partiju koja bi okupila bivse clanove i spasla SPS.

Ja licno nalazim se u Radnickom pokretu, takodje levicarskoj partiji, i
nosilac sam liste u studenickom i rasinskom okrugu. Pozivam sve razocarane
clanove Socijalisticke partije da mi se prikljuce.

Lilicev odlazak tesko da ce uticati na rezultat izbora. Kampanja se
zahuktala i ziv ne znam kako ce se to zavrsiti. Vidim da se clanovi
Jugoslovenske levice i Socijalisticke partije slikaju, menjaju bravu na
vratima, okupirali drzavnu televiziju, ali mislim da im je kampanja
kontraproduktivna.

Uopste, doslo je takvo vreme da tokom kampanje treba mirno da sedis u kuci -
sta si do sada uradio, uradio si. Ja sam sedam godina bio poslanik i nista
nikada nisam ukrao, pa narod neka glasa. Ovo sto oni rade, moce se reci,
predstavlja silovanje naroda.

Ne mogu da predvidim ko ce sledeci posle Zorana Lilica napustiti
Socijalisticku partiju Srbije. Jedino sto mogu da kazem je da bi - kada bi
hteli da otvore dusu, kada bi imali petlju, kada bi smeli da kazu sve sto im
je na dusi  u tom slucaju  devedeset odsto socijalista napustilo stranku i
preslo na moju stranu.

Autor je bivsi poslanik Socijalisticke partije Srbije u Skupstini Srbije

#8344 From: "angelina markovic" <ninam@...>
Date: Mon Sep 11, 2000 11:18 pm
Subject: Fw: promocija
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----- Original Message -----
From: MP
To: DPopovic
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 12:46 AM
Subject: promocija


Poziv na promociju knjjige. salji dalje.

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