Hi E, check the link in the post following for a quick answer. Its part of the fascinating Brazilian syncretic system of Kimbanda/Quimbanda. Most of the...
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t.tozz
Sep 2, 2010 9:00 pm
How do you know the spirit is, who it is supposed to be an not lying?...
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Jake Stratton-Kent
jakeus72
Sep 2, 2010 9:17 pm
The culture that produced the grimoires believed demons lied. We don't belong to that culture, and have no way of estimating the reliability of their belief....
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kathy
kathy_mcdona...
Sep 3, 2010 7:29 am
... Actually, Jake science still lives in the realm of uncertainty too. Scientific facts are regularly booted a couple of years down the track when they are...
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AaronL
kheph777
Sep 3, 2010 7:55 am
Greetings! Sorry to repeat myself here - but I have yet in my career to summon an entity that turned out to be a lying spirit. I believe it was Agrippa who...
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Jake Stratton-Kent
jakeus72
Sep 3, 2010 8:07 am
@ Aaron, that is indeed the magician's answer: our procedures are designed to prevent this. There is still the fact that such practices have a relation with...
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AaronL
kheph777
Sep 3, 2010 10:38 am
Greetings! What fun! I just got a new review for "Secrets..." over at Amazon. It's a one-star attack on the book, which spends more time calling me and my...
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Rufus Opus
rufus_opus
Sep 3, 2010 12:32 pm
... Aaron, I've had one, and I've done a lot of conjure work. I am solidly in the "lying spirits are rare anomalies" camp. But for devil's advocate's sake, how...
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Rufus Opus
rufus_opus
Sep 3, 2010 12:52 pm
... Many cultures of conjure magic from all around the world seem to all believe spirits can lie, and not just demonic spirits. Shinto, and Bon traditions of...
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Rufus Opus
rufus_opus
Sep 3, 2010 1:02 pm
... It's called "testing the spirits." As Aaron says, making sure you have the right passwords is important. The right Seal, the right Sphere it belongs to,...
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Jake Stratton-Kent
jakeus72
Sep 3, 2010 1:10 pm
... granted, (hence the threefold truth declaration on the Emerald Tablet most likely). ... speaking personally, not in recent years I haven't. I wish I ...
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Rufus Opus
rufus_opus
Sep 3, 2010 1:37 pm
... That's what it was, sorry. I knew it was something Thelemic, but I thought it involved making signs or something, and honestly, LVX is the only...
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Julian
belfire222
Sep 3, 2010 3:48 pm
I don`t disagree with anything you guys have said about testing the spirits---but I notice that you seem to be addressing one aspect of the issue more than...
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Rufus Opus
rufus_opus
Sep 3, 2010 4:12 pm
... Stick with the names in the book. They were given on purpose. But above all, know yourself, know who you are and why you're here. There is nothing more...
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Jake Stratton-Kent
jakeus72
Sep 3, 2010 4:26 pm
... aye, learning from experience is the only way to proceed, manuals are only useful up to a point - once you pass that what you need is asbestos fingers and...
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R~
cauzseven89
Sep 3, 2010 7:31 pm
... ??? - you mean like Liber Al Law? Help me out on this one, I'm really interested... Roy...
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Bryan Garner
bryanashen
Sep 3, 2010 7:33 pm
Ahhh yes, you know I seriously believe some people's soul purpose in life is just to bring everyone/everything down whenever/wherever they can. ( And we say...
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vhg666
Sep 3, 2010 7:33 pm
maybe for xmast we should collect some money and get a pair skates for this guy, or maybe a mini-skirt?...
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tlg
taliesinloth...
Sep 3, 2010 7:35 pm
sounds like mormonism to me =) tlg 2010/9/3 Rufus Opus <rufusopus@...> ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
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Jake Stratton-Kent
jakeus72
Sep 3, 2010 7:42 pm
absolutely, I say: Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law', and expect at very least a clockwise pendulum rotation. Nebiros managed an audible...
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AaronL
kheph777
Sep 3, 2010 7:53 pm
... Well, 'cause they swore they were telling the truth! lol Kidding of course... I was going to say this in reply to another post in this thread, but here...
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AaronL
kheph777
Sep 3, 2010 7:58 pm
... This is where I was going to talk about asking an entity to sing a song of praise to the Highest. I don't demand they call Jesus or any other God "Lord" -...
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Jake Stratton-Kent
jakeus72
Sep 3, 2010 8:10 pm
... aye, spoke to a well known occultist recently, re the word 'pagan' and what we might mean by it. Mentioned that while I work with spirits daily, I don't...
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tlg
taliesinloth...
Sep 3, 2010 8:20 pm
... who weren't having any of it." what do you mean jake? tlg 2010/9/3 Jake Stratton-Kent <jakestrattonkent@...> ... [Non-text portions of this...
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R~
cauzseven89
Sep 3, 2010 8:21 pm
... There certainly must be, At least Nebiros didn't knock 93 times - anyway, I've been trying one of Tolkien's languages for greetings and dismissals - and it...
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Jake Stratton-Kent
jakeus72
Sep 3, 2010 8:23 pm
... they declined to assent to the Law, so I ditched the system, their loss ;) ... -- Jake http://www.underworld-apothecary.com/...
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Jake Stratton-Kent
jakeus72
Sep 3, 2010 8:30 pm
... LOL - can still remember my pentagram and 777 tables etc. - but no longer use them. pre ritual purification nowadays involves puddles and herbs on the ...
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Serpentis Satori
serpentsatori
Sep 4, 2010 9:17 am
Exactly, just like our manuals in other aspects of life. They aren't intented to cover everything, and there were Oral Trads as well to cover some of the...
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Serpentis Satori
serpentsatori
Sep 4, 2010 9:17 am
Would you name names, or point loudly at the Grimoure for us fellow Thelemites? ... From: Jake Stratton-Kent <jakestrattonkent@...> Subject: Re:...
