>  I think part of it is purely PR. We tend not to advertise. New ager's on the
other hand make themselves as visible as possible in the community. The only
movies you see involve occultists being eaten by the demon they call up. 
Doesn't sound like someone you want to call.
>
>  Okay lets take a look here at yellow page catagories because thats the first
place most people are going to look. In our city we have 4 listings under
astrology and Psychic consults. I know who the hardcore people are in this city.
There are three .... including me. At least ones known by the one and only
bookstore in town that sells anything related to magic. I know all the names
listed here three are   three new ager I think maybe one might be a pagan the
other is spiritualist ( I know because people at work go to these places on
occasion.)
>
> When confronted with real magic for example I say to someone who wants a
reading I would say I would consult a spirit I have a relationship with and ask
for direction. The reaction is fear.  " oh I don't want to do that isn't that
dangerous?"  I also don't have the patience to do work that the person whose
experiencing the problem needs to do. My experience with the new age crowd where
I used to live is that they tend to enable dependence. I  would take an
empowerment approach and insist that the victim do quite a fair bit of work to
deal with the nasty.  I think most of us would do the same. I don't really
participate with that crowd here very much.
>
> I think people look for instant results without having to do the work say your
Lord's prayer and hail Mary's so many times and voila no more  nasty and brownie
points for heaven.
>
>  That would be the second reason for the popularity of the two groups you
mentioned.
>
> hope I don't sound too cynical I'd love to see this change here. I didn't have
much luck interacting with the groups so maybe when I get the place to do it
this summer we can start something here for the  first time in this region's
history.
>
> My question is do we want to do  this?
>
> and how would one approach a situation like this. I've never worked in a group
before other than myself and my husband. I have no idea how other people affect
the enviornment when dealing with magical and spiritual issues.


>>>> PR! I'd like to see who does better. From what I've perused, some of these
"psychics" are pretty good. Not phone psychics! There are groups (of sensitives)
that go to haunted places "cold". No info given of the situation. They do their
thing. I've heard many successful stories. It's a knack and I wish I had it.
      There's not too many people around here who's ever heard of the golden
dawn. That is the understatement. And I'm sure many would cringe at the thought
of employing a witch; thanks to christian propaganda.

The best method I know of is that of reflection. That is to say; pay attention
to your life and the things you do. Look back upon a  trail of events to try to
trace back the root cause. Not only will you very often eleimnate any suspicion
of a curse but you'll learn a lot about yourself and cause and effect.

Of course this will only work if you truly are ready to look at yourself in a
very critical manner.

Regards,
Bear

--- On Tue, 11/17/09, joe smuckers <quadrivalent_anion@...> wrote:

From: joe smuckers <quadrivalent_anion@...>
Subject: Re: [Solomonic] Re: Why attack others?
To: solomonic@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 5:01 AM







 









       How do you know if someone has cursed you?  One could drive oneself nuts
thinking like this.  I've had an awfully shitty year, but it ain't due to magic
spells it's due to economics and a few assholes.  I'd honestly rather bury my
foot in the ass of some of these people than anything else...



--- On Sun, 11/15/09, st_balthazar <dirksinister@ yahoo.com> wrote:



From: st_balthazar <dirksinister@ yahoo.com>

Subject: [Solomonic] Re: Why attack others?

To: solomonic@yahoogrou ps.com

Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 10:10 AM



 














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Hello Spirit Mage
I make everyone do work on helping themselves and teach them not to be
dependent. You are right in the fact that there is a proportion of people who
take it as a joke and expect people to wave a magic wand which is why I make
them do the work. Yet my biggest failures in my opinion are the people who want
to be dependent. They will not buck up and take command of their lives. They
then try to suck the person dry helping them or be nasty to them.

Most of them are Borderline Personality Disorder, and Narcissists which I
believe is the key mental illness that demons use to possess people.
Schizophrenia is just the reaction after the possession is complete. The only
people perfectly adjusted are the ones who did it on purpose and have souls that
do not rebel against hosting a demon.

New Agers do advertise more but I know for myself there are limits I will go
too. I just started asking to be on radio shows and have made it on Coast to
Coast with George Noory, and many other shows.

I never do it as I am a simple New Ager but as a magician yet many of the New
Age people ostracize me because I am not what they want me to be. How can I be
that negative dealing with all those problems. It is too hard to do according to
them. They also have their own language and key words which are impossible to
keep up with and patented methods.

None of them know that a triangle can be used to banish rebellious spirits
inside of people until I mentioned it plus a bunch of other methods. So I feel I
have been helping the image of magicians in many ways.

Yet again the first thing is the discussion about God and the divine. I always
use prayer along with the methods so that people will do the methods in the
first place. So there is a use for prayer also.

You are right in magicians always being shown as someone destroyed by their own
work. They are normally against God and very few things show good and evil
magicians. The Lord of the Ring series did so but most do not. So maybe
Magicians need to write some screen plays.
Nita



   ----- Original Message -----
   From: spiritmagejkt
   To: solomonic@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 07:26 AM
   Subject: [Solomonic] Re: Why call New Agers?




   I think part of it is purely PR. We tend not to advertise. New ager's on the
other hand make themselves as visible as possible in the community. The only
movies you see involve occultists being eaten by the demon they call up. Doesn't
sound like someone you want to call.

   Okay lets take a look here at yellow page catagories because thats the first
place most people are going to look. In our city we have 4 listings under
astrology and Psychic consults. I know who the hardcore people are in this city.
There are three .... including me. At least ones known by the one and only
bookstore in town that sells anything related to magic. I know all the names
listed here three are three new ager I think maybe one might be a pagan the
other is spiritualist ( I know because people at work go to these places on
occasion.)

   When confronted with real magic for example I say to someone who wants a
reading I would say I would consult a spirit I have a relationship with and ask
for direction. The reaction is fear. " oh I don't want to do that isn't that
dangerous?" I also don't have the patience to do work that the person whose
experiencing the problem needs to do. My experience with the new age crowd where
I used to live is that they tend to enable dependence. I would take an
empowerment approach and insist that the victim do quite a fair bit of work to
deal with the nasty. I think most of us would do the same. I don't really
participate with that crowd here very much.

   I think people look for instant results without having to do the work say your
Lord's prayer and hail Mary's so many times and voila no more nasty and brownie
points for heaven.

   That would be the second reason for the popularity of the two groups you
mentioned.

   hope I don't sound too cynical I'd love to see this change here. I didn't have
much luck interacting with the groups so maybe when I get the place to do it
this summer we can start something here for the first time in this region's
history.

   My question is do we want to do this?

   and how would one approach a situation like this. I've never worked in a group
before other than myself and my husband. I have no idea how other people affect
the enviornment when dealing with magical and spiritual issues.





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Aaron,

I love those shows too. They are usually awesome for the first half of the
episode and then get more and more patently ridiculous as it goes on. But they
are great fun.

I think it is just a question of numbers. There are WAY more psychics and
new-agers out there to be called upon for such tasks. At very least, there are
way more of them out in the open. I think anyone in a genuine situation of being
haunted/attacked, would call on anybody that might could help.

LVX,
Magus

p.s. 1st time caller,
big fan of the show :-)

--- In solomonic@yahoogroups.com, "kheph777" <kheph777@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings!
>
> Since we are on the darker subjects, I thought I'd pose a question that has
been on my mind off and on for a while.
>
> I sometimes enjoy watching TV shows about hauntings.  By this I do not mean
the modern ghost-hunting shows, but the older shows (very popular during the 80s
and 90s) that interview families about their haunting ordeals.
>
> When I watch those shows, I often find myself considering what I would do in a
given situation, what I would tell the family, etc.  Meanwhile, in the show,
when the haunted family decides to call in help, they invariably call a Priest
or Minister first.  Then, if that doesn't work, they make a bee-line straight
for a Newage psychic.
>
> My question is - why is it always a psychic?  What happened in the history of
the New Age movement that gave them such a monopoly on the subject of hauntings?
>
> I know several of you Solomonic types *have* been called to help with
hauntings or exorcisms.  I have, on rare occasions, done so myself.  Yet, in the
vast majority of cases, you don't hear about a Wiccan, a Hexenmeister, a Hoodoo
conjuror, a Solomonic mage or even a Golden Dawner being called in to help.  How
was it that we were supplanted from this particular social role?
>
> Just some food for thought.  :)
>
> LVX
> Aaron
>

Would anyone here know where to acquire materials for working with the Greek
Magical Papyri, preferably online?

I am aware that many ostensibly outlandish names (even for the period) were
coded terms for more commonplace herbs or other items, which are frequently
identified in the texts themselves (in the Betz translation at least), but many
other such items have no such explications, leaving the reader to conclude that
such reagents are truly real components used in the rituals. Would anyone happen
to have at least a partial list of real reagents?

Examples of such substitutions include:
"peony" for rose
"the navel of a male crocodile" for pondweed
"heart of a baboon" for perfume of lilies

Otherwise, would anyone know where to buy animal carcasses online? Most
particularly falcons and ibises. I suspect though that these too were false
names, these animals being sacred to Horus and Thoth respectively, and unlikely
to be killed as commonly as the papyri seem to insinuate, except maybe during
festivals. Thoughts on their true nature would be appreciated.

thanks Mpam,for that summation of spiritual possibilities with the emission
of body fluids.
toyin

2009/11/14 mpam76895 <mpam76895@...>

>
>
>
> I wonder about the energy
> > idea.How much energy is lost,really?
> > Dunn's focus is on expansion of consciousness through intercourse with
> the
> > spirits.
> > toyin
> >
>
> >>>> Just toyin around?
> There's no ambiguity concerning evacuated nutrients. That's cerebro-spinal
> fluid (for starters). Constant stimulation alone taxes the adrenals and
> various chemical balances. It's a drug high, period.
> Perhaps you're wondering if the body can regroup, so to speak. Of course.
> Perhaps you're wondering about the astral feeds exclusively. May be best to
> employ a cleansing protocol after the act, from here on in. Use soap, water
> and intent to clean anything the juice might have hit.
>
> Now OTOH, this might lead some clever soul to devise some kinda astral
> critter trap. This or put the short lived sperm to some other magickal use.
> But I find that a bit hard, having just indulged in something so involving
> the lower chakras.
>
> It just may be that the mind plays a major role in all the above. If you're
> simply getting the need out of the way, in basically traditional fashion,
> there shouldn't be That much of a problem with astral feeds or succubi etc.
> It's when the self really gets taken in by the habit. When one has to
> resort to extreme kink and grand self indulgence to get off. That in itself
> might be what draws negative influences.
> Or rather, it may be the negative influence (if not complex) itself Causing
> the native to indulge like that. From what I generally hear, it's fairly
> easy to pick up an attachment. The good thing is they can leave just as
> easily.
> Raise that energy!
> Gee, logic would dictate that as you raise energy, you might attract
> moths....
> I think it's so damn cool how the energy does follow intent. This includes
> thoughtforms distinct from oneself. Tho here, in a quantum field sense,
> there may be a circuit like connection. A temporal astral/aetheric intranet
> connection if you will.
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Hi, Joe,

Thanks for the compliments! I think if I live to be very old, I will not
get to the end of knowing mandrake. I've been gardening for more than 25
years, and I have been approached by several plants--become aware of them
as spirits: datura, belladonna, and mandrake. But of the three, mandrake to
me is the most mysterious. Daniel Schulke of Cultus Sabbati, a group whose
work I respect, once described it as a shining, beautiful woman. At the
time I didn't get that, but now I see what he meant. Its spirit is indeed
exceedingly joyful and bright. This is the feeling you get from it just
from working with it, or at least, I do.

An "alraun" is a name for mandrake in German but it's also the name of a
spirit, from what I have read, that was one of the old gods. It is
described as female. I don't know much about German paganism, though. I
have noticed that pretty much every culture that has run across mandrake
has made a big deal of it one way or the other. I was just reading how in
Islam it is associated with djinn and one name for it is even djinn's
balls.:) The thing is that the reason WHY it is so important to people is
not clear or not evidenced on the physical plane very clearly. Its roots do
look like human beings, but a lot of plants have roots like that. A lot of
plants don't have its pharmacological effects, though. It does have a
history of being used in anesthesia prior to the advent of "heroic" medicine.

When you look at actual (European) magical practice, mandrake isn't used
all that much. It seems more like a mascot than anything else (even in its
form as a "mannekin," a being that is kept wrapped in silk, fed with wine
or barley meal [now THERE'S an old reference], and stored in a coffin in
order to preserve the wealth of a family). This lack of actual practical
use puzzled me. But recently I found out a couple of things that I think
might be key to understanding why it has been so important for Europeans.

One is that it has been used much more widely for its pain-killing
properties than one would think. Ordinary people made pain-killing potions
out of it using recipes from householder's books. These formulae would
literally put the person out so that for instance their flesh could be
punctured and bladder stones removed (yes, don't read before
breakfast--people got a lot of stones from eating all those coles and beet
tops). So if they had this potion lying around and knew how it worked, more
or less, this forms the basis of a real "flying ointment," just to use the
recognized phrase.

The other thing is the fruits. The ripe fruits are edible, and in the
Middle East they make a kind of joke liqueur out of it ("drink this and
have lots of sex"). I have gotten plants to fruit but not to ripen in my
coldish climate. Some perfumers did a study of the scent of mandrake fruits
based on Biblical references to the power of its fragrance. They took the
fragrance apart into its chemical components, as perfumers do. They found
many volatile chemicals belonging to fruits like guava, passionfruit, and
other tropicals. But they also found a sulphurous component that is very
similar to that of human skin, especially underarms. Does that not make
your hair stand on end? It did me when I first read it. This plant has
chosen to manufacture a scent that will represent "human" to humans. It
clearly really wants to communicate with us. And contrast it to its close
relative, belladonna (mandrake was once even called Atropa mandragora to
match it to Atropa belladonna). Belladonna makes a very visually
attractive, luscious-looking berry that is one of the very few poisonous
fruits that tastes sweet to a human being. You can see right there the huge
difference in how they relate to us. But I think the smell of the right
fruits might also account for its use in fertility and sex charms. I don't
think it's the root shape.

So there are two keys for us, I think, to indicate why it has been so
important a magical reference, if not used practically: the scent of the
fruits, and its use as a common painkiller. (Btw, this is not a plant I
would ever experiment with as a painkiller. Even when I dig up roots just
to check on them or photograph them, if I don't wear gloves, I end up with
a headache. But I never do wear gloves. I just like touching them. I would
never do that with the root of belladonna, though. Thick gloves for that one.)

I'm working on a book I thought I was going to have done by the end of this
month but should have done by the end of December, when I will shop it
around. It's about growing herbs for use in witchcraft. The last chapter is
on mandrake. It'll have all the knowledge I have gained about growing this
plant as well as a cohesive summary of what I think this plant means magically.

I really liked Casteneda's first book and wrote a positive review of it for
Amazon. I know all the negative stuff about him, and a lot of his writing
just sounds like baloney to me. But that was a good one, I thought. He is
one of the few people who have survived a serious magical encounter with
Datura Spirit. I must respect him for that.

I really encourage people to grow this plant. They are a dickens to
germinate. They truly teach Saturn lessons about patience and slowness. But
once you get them started, while they do go dormant at the drop of a hat,
you can then reproduce them vegetatively. There is just nothing like having
your own mandrake. It is an inspiration just sitting there in its pot. I
don't know why that is, but it is.

Harry
--
The Alchemist's Garden
http://herbalwitchcraft.com/blog/

kheph777 wrote:
>
> My question is - why is it always a psychic?  What happened in the history of
the New Age movement that gave them such a monopoly on the subject of hauntings?

The movie "Poltergeist." Seriously. I have found that often people's
experience--not just with the supernatural but with the mundane as well--is
molded by what they see in pop culture. "Poltergeist" was the first movie
in many years about a haunting, and it was enormously popular. What's funny
is that in earlier movies, often an ordinary person is capable of
de-haunting a house by simply figuring out the mystery or what the ghost is
trying to express and remedying it. There have always been real-world
psychics, although when I was growing up, they had a very bad image as
shysters and were always getting arrested. But New Agers made it into a
profession that took credit cards. And I think they were partly inspired by
"Poltergeist."

I was thinking about this issue this morning. I remember reading that guys
in the Mafia began practicing a blood oath after they saw Mafia guys doing
it in a movie. They claimed they had "always" done it.

The other side of it is that I think many people do not have any idea that
ceremonial magicians exist.

Harry

--
The Alchemist's Garden
http://herbalwitchcraft.com/blog/

>
> My question is - why is it always a psychic?  What happened in the history of
the New Age movement that gave them such a monopoly on the subject of hauntings?
>

>>>> Maybe we could counter with, "what's in a name"? Any of these folks will
have to be psychically aware to some degree. I'm sure that's not what your
looking for. I'm sure it's more along the lines of familiarity. Gladys and Harry
probably don't know much about the Traditions... Many of them probably think
they're as bad as the hauntings.

Hi

One of the main things about your average New ager is that they are open
and out in the world broadcasting their rainbow coloured jumpers and
velvetine  robes into the faces of the local community

They do not know the meaning of the words Speak not
and therefore they come into contact with people.  Mundane people who  know
nothing about magical works see them all sparkly and chatty about things
that they know and therefore call on them before others.

Unfortunately for them the majority of new age people know bugger all. They
  are anti Xtian without actually knowing anything about it, They hate
Crowley cos  he is a devil worshiper and a pervert  even though they don't
believe in  the devil and really don't like anyone who tells them that wearing
that extra  large pentagram just makes them look a little odd

Sigh

Siany


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My guess is that it's about the terminology.  Many people are skittish about
magic.  Even pretty theologically ignorant people know that all the popular
brands of exoteric Christianity regard magic with some combination of fear,
loathing, and condescending contempt.  To go to an overtly magical practitioner
means unambiguously admitting that your church of choice isn't really a one-stop
full-service operation.  New Age psychic-types, on the other hand, are generally
bland and vague about their theology, and use lots of vaguely
scientific-sounding ("energy") and bastardized Eastern terminology.  Their
patter and methods don't look and sound unambiguously magical, so afflicted
people who desperately want to stay within their comfortable "church-on-Sunday"
paradigm can use their services with "plausible deniability" with respect to the
"m-word."

- m.

Hello Aaron
People are afraid of magic and magicians. I am an interfaith Reverend and a
magician. I developed my own methods over the years and have done over 100
exorcisms on people and places. It makes me politically correct and does not
violate my beliefs with the church I am a member of and am ordained by which has
many magicians.

I have only been noticed recently and have been on radio shows. I was requested
on a couple of them not to talk about magic because of their Christian listeners
who would react badly. I have been noticed by reborn Christians saying I did not
say Jesus often enough on the shows. I only said God. The New Age psychics
mostly do not want to do hauntings and clearings because it lowers their
vibrations. They really have no idea of what they are doing and I have had many
clients who were new agers say nothing shows them how to protect themselves
unless they read the older books. That has changed also over the years. New
Agers now have books on protection but most of them are magicians writing for
New Agers.

Yet as you put it a psychic is always called in the older shows. I can be
labeled a psychic because I was tested by the Rhine Institute at the age of 16.
During those years they would call me that and not a magician to appease the
Christian majority who are stuck in the Dark Age witch burnings.

I feel the labeling of the New Age methods was to make energy work acceptable to
the majority. It brought alive Astral Projection and other methods to the
public. It was a way to be politically correct with out the old stigma of
witchcraft. Robert Monroe is an example of this. So is Madame Blatavsky which
has some interesting points if you can get through the rhetoric and get to the
truth of the book.

I am sure more of them knew methods than was ever mentioned. Peter James was
known for being a medium and was on many of the old shows. Yet he and a group of
psychics got together for one problem house which sounds more like a ritual
magic ceremony that they would not show on Television in one of the old shows.
Nita
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: kheph777
   To: solomonic@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:31 PM
   Subject: [Solomonic] Why call New Agers?



   Greetings!

   Since we are on the darker subjects, I thought I'd pose a question that has
been on my mind off and on for a while.

   I sometimes enjoy watching TV shows about hauntings. By this I do not mean the
modern ghost-hunting shows, but the older shows (very popular during the 80s and
90s) that interview families about their haunting ordeals.

   When I watch those shows, I often find myself considering what I would do in a
given situation, what I would tell the family, etc. Meanwhile, in the show, when
the haunted family decides to call in help, they invariably call a Priest or
Minister first. Then, if that doesn't work, they make a bee-line straight for a
Newage psychic.

   My question is - why is it always a psychic? What happened in the history of
the New Age movement that gave them such a monopoly on the subject of hauntings?

   I know several of you Solomonic types *have* been called to help with
hauntings or exorcisms. I have, on rare occasions, done so myself. Yet, in the
vast majority of cases, you don't hear about a Wiccan, a Hexenmeister, a Hoodoo
conjuror, a Solomonic mage or even a Golden Dawner being called in to help. How
was it that we were supplanted from this particular social role?

   Just some food for thought. :)

   LVX
   Aaron





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Hello Rufus
Disassociation does work and makes it so you can keep a certain calmness. I have
a book on my website called citanupassana which is contemplation of your own
mind. It means that you see how you react and do not react and what is the best
choices for you.

It also shuts down the monkey mind where you can connect to higher forces. You
are correct in that madness and oppression does not mean magic.

Yet spirits bouncing around, writing upon the walls in black dots, being dusted,
obsessive reactions and human body parts with charms written upon them does make
it magic.

It was a fascinating case. I learned more about Hindu Gods, got things settled
to a peace and quiet. Yet it was all about jealousy, anger, and cruelty. The
same reasons wives and others get beaten.

Yet a one time hair ripping contest does not have the same repercussions as
summoning a spirit to hide what you are doing and nonstop attacking the 2nd
wife.
Nita
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Rufus Opus
   To: solomonic@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 09:27 AM
   Subject: Re: [Solomonic] Re: Why attack others?



   Happy Birthday

   Meh. Madness isn't proof of any cursing. Everyone's mad. Sounds like
   the first wife was more than a little bugfucked in the brain to begin
   with. Add to that the inevitable stress that comes with polygamy, and
   it's no wonder the kids went mad, your sister and the other two. Even
   in non-magical polygamist families, like the Mormons, the same kind of
   crap goes on. Even when the wives are like sisters, there's
   favoritism, envy, hate, bitterness, etc. It's messed up.

   And it's not just polygamists. Any time you cram too many humans into
   too small of a social space and force them to interact intimately for
   their continued survival, it gets ugly, and "mental illness" abounds.
   Check out any small town for proof.

   Carrying around personal responsibility for the inevitable
   consequences, or for the circumstantial environmental factors you're
   born into isn't healthy, imho. One of the things that has empowered my
   Solomonic magic is the integration of certain neo-platonic
   contemplative practices that align your consciousness with the Prime
   Mover, permitting you to see the process of manifestation from a
   causal, eternal perspective. As a result, you're able to disassociate
   from a lot of the crap that just happens to be around when you
   incarnated.

   Quoting "desi.magia" <desi.magia@...>:

   >
   > Thanks to you all who commented on my post. Some made good points
   > in support, others seming to see things my way.
   > But I still think as is said by the French "He Who spit in the air,
   > will see the spittle dropping back on his nose"
   > I have been involved in magic from a very young age and I have
   > learnt that it was not good for me to take such actions. because I
   > simply lose my peace of mind, and I never stop condemning myself
   > long adfter the deed has been done.
   > I too grew in a polygamic family and my mother, a second wife,
   > suffered magic attacks from the first wife, who also turned out to
   > have always been the favourite, on account of very strong magic work
   > before her wedding to my father.
   > he went on to marry four other women, one of whom left because she
   > was childless.
   > The woman did not need to do all she did to punish her co-spouses,
   > but she did so all the same.
   > I held myself back until I left Africa and came to live in England.
   > But after she made my youngest sister go mad, I was full of fury and
   > sent back what she did to her own children. within of my performing
   > the ritual by lighting a single candle, two of her children, a son
   > and a daughter also went mad. I did not send a demon, but I know
   > just what my anger was. If she had stood in front of me at that
   > time, I would have been capable to do real damage to her with my
   > thoughts alone. (And I know that it usually works. for me)
   > My sister eventually got better. That woman's daughter is living a
   > form of normal life, but the son's madness will never go away;
   > mainly because when I think about it, My mind argues immediately
   > "Remember what you all went through, remember your mum".
   > Somehow I find myself being very condemning of myself and feeling
   > guilty about that. But she brough her children up to be just as
   > nasty as herself. And there not a single one of them I can remember
   > not acting out evilly, and nastily one way or the other toward us
   > the children of the other wives.
   > If I feel this guilty, I wonder how it will be if god forbid I
   > ever got tempted to send a demon.
   > I have never liked revenge magic, and my conscience is also the
   > reason why I always refuse to do such work for people who ask me.
   > Well thanks all. I guess this has been my confession...
   > And it is my birthday today.




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

You can find psychics in the phone book.

Sara

On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 12:31 AM, kheph777 <kheph777@...> wrote:

>
>
> Greetings!
>
> Since we are on the darker subjects, I thought I'd pose a question that has
> been on my mind off and on for a while.
>
> I sometimes enjoy watching TV shows about hauntings. By this I do not mean
> the modern ghost-hunting shows, but the older shows (very popular during the
> 80s and 90s) that interview families about their haunting ordeals.
>
> When I watch those shows, I often find myself considering what I would do
> in a given situation, what I would tell the family, etc. Meanwhile, in the
> show, when the haunted family decides to call in help, they invariably call
> a Priest or Minister first. Then, if that doesn't work, they make a bee-line
> straight for a Newage psychic.
>
> My question is - why is it always a psychic? What happened in the history
> of the New Age movement that gave them such a monopoly on the subject of
> hauntings?
>
> I know several of you Solomonic types *have* been called to help with
> hauntings or exorcisms. I have, on rare occasions, done so myself. Yet, in
> the vast majority of cases, you don't hear about a Wiccan, a Hexenmeister, a
> Hoodoo conjuror, a Solomonic mage or even a Golden Dawner being called in to
> help. How was it that we were supplanted from this particular social role?
>
> Just some food for thought. :)
>
> LVX
> Aaron
>
>
>



--
"Always dream and shoot higher than you know you can do. Don't bother just
to be better than your contemporaries or predecessors. Try to be better than
yourself." -- William Faulkner


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I think part of it is purely PR. We tend not to advertise. New ager's on the
other hand make themselves as visible as possible in the community. The only
movies you see involve occultists being eaten by the demon they call up. 
Doesn't sound like someone you want to call.

  Okay lets take a look here at yellow page catagories because thats the first
place most people are going to look. In our city we have 4 listings under
astrology and Psychic consults. I know who the hardcore people are in this city.
There are three .... including me. At least ones known by the one and only
bookstore in town that sells anything related to magic. I know all the names
listed here three are   three new ager I think maybe one might be a pagan the
other is spiritualist ( I know because people at work go to these places on
occasion.)

When confronted with real magic for example I say to someone who wants a reading
I would say I would consult a spirit I have a relationship with and ask for
direction. The reaction is fear.  " oh I don't want to do that isn't that
dangerous?"  I also don't have the patience to do work that the person whose
experiencing the problem needs to do. My experience with the new age crowd where
I used to live is that they tend to enable dependence. I  would take an
empowerment approach and insist that the victim do quite a fair bit of work to
deal with the nasty.  I think most of us would do the same. I don't really
participate with that crowd here very much.

I think people look for instant results without having to do the work say your
Lord's prayer and hail Mary's so many times and voila no more  nasty and brownie
points for heaven.

  That would be the second reason for the popularity of the two groups you
mentioned.

hope I don't sound too cynical I'd love to see this change here. I didn't have
much luck interacting with the groups so maybe when I get the place to do it
this summer we can start something here for the  first time in this region's
history.

My question is do we want to do  this?

and how would one approach a situation like this. I've never worked in a group
before other than myself and my husband. I have no idea how other people affect
the enviornment when dealing with magical and spiritual issues.

Greetings!

Since we are on the darker subjects, I thought I'd pose a question that has been
on my mind off and on for a while.

I sometimes enjoy watching TV shows about hauntings.  By this I do not mean the
modern ghost-hunting shows, but the older shows (very popular during the 80s and
90s) that interview families about their haunting ordeals.

When I watch those shows, I often find myself considering what I would do in a
given situation, what I would tell the family, etc.  Meanwhile, in the show,
when the haunted family decides to call in help, they invariably call a Priest
or Minister first.  Then, if that doesn't work, they make a bee-line straight
for a Newage psychic.

My question is - why is it always a psychic?  What happened in the history of
the New Age movement that gave them such a monopoly on the subject of hauntings?

I know several of you Solomonic types *have* been called to help with hauntings
or exorcisms.  I have, on rare occasions, done so myself.  Yet, in the vast
majority of cases, you don't hear about a Wiccan, a Hexenmeister, a Hoodoo
conjuror, a Solomonic mage or even a Golden Dawner being called in to help.  How
was it that we were supplanted from this particular social role?

Just some food for thought.  :)

LVX
Aaron

Greetings folks!

I'd rather not see the 200 billionth debate over ethics and magick take place
here.  lol  I don't mind a discussion of cursing, but let's keep the discussion
academic rather than moral.

I'll trim out any further posts that continue the standard ethical debate.  No
offense meant to anyone!  :)

LVX
Aaron

Happy Birthday

Meh. Madness isn't proof of any cursing. Everyone's mad. Sounds like
the first wife was more than a little bugfucked in the brain to begin
with. Add to that the inevitable stress that comes with polygamy, and
it's no wonder the kids went mad, your sister and the other two. Even
in non-magical polygamist families, like the Mormons, the same kind of
crap goes on. Even when the wives are like sisters, there's
favoritism, envy, hate, bitterness, etc. It's messed up.

And it's not just polygamists. Any time you cram too many humans into
too small of a social space and force them to interact intimately for
their continued survival, it gets ugly, and "mental illness" abounds.
Check out any small town for proof.

Carrying around personal responsibility for the inevitable
consequences, or for the circumstantial environmental factors you're
born into isn't healthy, imho. One of the things that has empowered my
Solomonic magic is the integration of certain neo-platonic
contemplative practices that align your consciousness with the Prime
Mover, permitting you to see the process of manifestation from a
causal, eternal perspective. As a result, you're able to disassociate
from a lot of the crap that just happens to be around when you
incarnated.

Quoting "desi.magia" <desi.magia@...>:

>
>  Thanks to you all who commented on my post. Some made good points
> in support, others seming to see things my way.
> But I still think as is said by the French "He Who spit in the air,
> will see the spittle dropping back on his nose"
> I have been involved in magic from a very young age and I have
> learnt that it was not good for me to take such actions. because I
> simply lose my peace of mind, and I never stop condemning myself
> long adfter the deed has been done.
> I too grew in a polygamic family and my mother, a second wife,
> suffered magic attacks from the first wife, who also turned out to
> have always been the favourite, on account of very strong magic work
> before her wedding to my father.
> he went on to marry four other women, one of whom left because she
> was childless.
> The woman did not need to do all she did to punish her co-spouses,
> but she did so all the same.
> I held myself back until I left Africa and came to live in England.
> But after she made my youngest sister go mad, I was full of fury and
> sent back what she did to her own children. within of my performing
> the ritual by lighting a single candle, two of her children, a son
> and a daughter also went mad. I did not send a demon, but I know
> just what my anger was. If she had stood in front of me at that
> time, I would have been capable to do real damage to her with my
> thoughts alone. (And I know that it usually works. for me)
> My sister eventually got better. That woman's daughter is living a
> form of normal life, but the son's madness will never go away;
> mainly because when I think about it, My mind argues immediately
> "Remember what you all went through, remember your mum".
> Somehow I find myself being very condemning of myself and feeling
> guilty about that. But she brough her children up to be just as
> nasty as herself. And there not a single one of them I can remember
> not acting out evilly, and nastily one way or the other toward us
> the children of the other wives.
>    If I feel this guilty, I wonder how it will be if god forbid I
> ever got tempted to send a demon.
> I have never liked revenge magic, and my conscience is also the
> reason why I always refuse to do such work for people who ask me.
> Well thanks all. I guess this has been my confession...
> And it is my birthday today.

Harry,
 
I was looking at your cool website and liked the mandrake pics.  Can you share
any lore about them with us?  Carlos Castandea makes an alraun out of a jimson
weed root I recall in one of those don juan books, there is a  charm in David
Conway's book, "Magic" as well.  It's a love charm in Conway's book, but what
the heck was an alraun anyway?  I guess that they had multiple uses. 
Thanks,
J.S.

--- On Sun, 11/15/09, Harry Roth <groups@...> wrote:


From: Harry Roth <groups@...>
Subject: Re: [Solomonic] Re: Why attack others?
To: solomonic@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 12:44 PM


 



ashirahickok@ frontiernet. net wrote:
>
> I know someone who cursed a person over stealing her book, and her not wanting
him to give it away for free. Ego, Jealousy because they were incapable of doing
a book of that sort, anger because she did not see the instant superiority of
their thinking about giving away her work.

Maybe don't be so quick to judge, if you have not poured sweat and blood
into a book from which you hope to make a living only to see it ripped off
by lazy skeevs and downloaded 35,000 times on torrent sites. As far as I am
concerned, people who steal books should be publicly flogged. Cursing would
be the least of their problems.

> A curse is never justified with people who do not know magic and even then it
is not justified. Slapping them around has less karma and is more fun. You only
pay on the physical plane.

Go get yourself a beating and then come back and tell us how it was better
than being cursed. Until then, this sounds like a defense of reactionary
laws re wife-beating.

Harry
--
The Alchemist's Garden
http://herbalwitchc raft.com/ blog/










[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

How do you know if someone has cursed you?  One could drive oneself nuts
thinking like this.  I've had an awfully shitty year, but it ain't due to magic
spells it's due to economics and a few assholes.  I'd honestly rather bury my
foot in the ass of some of these people than anything else...

--- On Sun, 11/15/09, st_balthazar <dirksinister@...> wrote:


From: st_balthazar <dirksinister@...>
Subject: [Solomonic] Re: Why attack others?
To: solomonic@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 10:10 AM


 



Nita,

Magicians and conjurers should all make their own choices about what is just and
moral with regards to malefica, without feeling censured by a historically
recent trend to sanitize the tradition.

Pious moralizing platitudes about 'karma' mean little when the rubber hits the
road I am sad to say. Look around at the world we live in, and let the scales
fall from your eyes.

cordially,
St.B
http://gnostic- conjure.blogspot .com/

>A curse is never justified with people who do not know magic and even then it
is not >justified. Slapping them around has less karma and is more fun. You only
pay on the >physical plane.











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Last Wednesday I was called out to clear a "haunting".  When I arrived, I
found out the following:

   1.. The house belonged to a woman who had been so badly beaten that for
the past 6 years she has been in a mental institute.
   2.. The spirit "haunting" the house is actually the soul of this woman.
The soul is nowhere the body as a result of the trauma that has been
experienced.
   3.. The current tenant and his daughter are having accidents, falling over
nothing and sustaining injuries.  The injuries are getting worse, the father
latest injury resulting in him having an operation on his left eye.  He will
need at least another two operations to sort out the last injury.
   4.. Because of who this person is within the community, on the physical
level there has been no action taken against him.  Although the family was
aware of the beatings that were happening, no one dared interfered.  When
they finally fetched their daughter, they found her extensively brain
damaged.  She has been in hospital ever since.
   5.. The marriage was a spiritual/religious affair, not bound by our legal
systems and laws and has subsequently been dissolved.
I am empathic and clairvoyant.  I washed the abuse out of those walls in
that house to release the energy.  I cannot even begin to tell you the
trauma that I saw and all that I felt through that.

I would suggest discernment at the very least before putting out comments
like:

>A curse is never justified with people who do not know magic and even then
it is not >justified. Slapping them around has less karma and is more fun.
You only pay on the >physical plane.

Regards
Kim




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello Harry
Did you read the message? I know I am jet lagged and have bad vision where I
make mistakes but I did not believe I was that hard to understand.

The lady who had the book stolen was cursed by the people who ripped off her
book. The two wives issue had everything going on in it including wife beating.
The other cases I have had recently involved a family member cursing the family
over money.It is stupid to curse the family as it affects you and your children.

I can list them off all day. I do agree with you on people who rip off books
should be flogged. I also agree that getting a beating is not something anyone
wants. Yet a beating has less repercussions than a curse and normally happens
for the same reasons.

Everything in magic is reactions to our choices and it changes the way we
accomplish our goals and our path. I have found that magicians need to be twice
as careful as more is expected of us by the divine forces.
Nita
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Harry Roth
   To: solomonic@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 12:44 PM
   Subject: Re: [Solomonic] Re: Why attack others?



   ashirahickok@... wrote:
   >
   > I know someone who cursed a person over stealing her book, and her not
wanting him to give it away for free. Ego, Jealousy because they were incapable
of doing a book of that sort, anger because she did not see the instant
superiority of their thinking about giving away her work.

   Maybe don't be so quick to judge, if you have not poured sweat and blood
   into a book from which you hope to make a living only to see it ripped off
   by lazy skeevs and downloaded 35,000 times on torrent sites. As far as I am
   concerned, people who steal books should be publicly flogged. Cursing would
   be the least of their problems.

   > A curse is never justified with people who do not know magic and even then
it is not justified. Slapping them around has less karma and is more fun. You
only pay on the physical plane.

   Go get yourself a beating and then come back and tell us how it was better
   than being cursed. Until then, this sounds like a defense of reactionary
   laws re wife-beating.

   Harry
   --
   The Alchemist's Garden
   http://herbalwitchcraft.com/blog/




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello Desiree
That is it conscience and ethics. I agree that enough is enough but by that
point you do not need to curse anyone. A proper reversal is not done as a curse
but is a transmutation to remove the influences and return what was lost to the
person who was hurt. The energy is left with no place to go and the person who
did the curses has it attack them in every choice and flaw they have.

It is not a sanitization of the art. Nor is it some namby pamby new age method.
It actually works and is twice as vicious since the person picks their own
punishment than anything anyone else does.

Your anger got through to the energies and your mind did something very similar
to that even though it does not work best when angry or upset. Yet most people
have a moment  when enough is enough and things change.

My sympathy as the same thing was happening with my client. I did a binding
where either one doing anything would cause major repercussions to anyone that
broke the bindings. Plus some other things to be sure that the misery stopped.

Most people do lose their peace of mind when they curse others. I know that most
magicians think that hitting someone is wrong. Yet it is less of a repercussion
on your life even if you get sent to jail than doing a curse for yourself or
others.It also includes even if you lose the fight and end up hurt.

No one should do that to anyone except as a last resort but most of the beatings
in the world occur out of anger, lack of self-esteem of the people that do the
beating, ego, jealousy, envy, and bigotry.The same things that cause curses as
most people that curse others do it because they can hide. They get to watch
what happens and gloat feeling superior.

Everyone feels that is bad yet the ones cursing others have all of that happen
plus spiritual repercussions. Yet curses do not need to be done. A person who
curses others that do not know magic is a bully. A person who curses other
magicians when their magic can be reversed is an idiot. A person who uses
energies to sort out and transmute the effects of curses can get all the help
they need plus divine approval.
Nita
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: desi.magia
   To: solomonic@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 10:15 AM
   Subject: [Solomonic] Re: Why attack others?




   Thanks to you all who commented on my post. Some made good points in support,
others seming to see things my way.
   But I still think as is said by the French "He Who spit in the air, will see
the spittle dropping back on his nose"
   I have been involved in magic from a very young age and I have learnt that it
was not good for me to take such actions. because I simply lose my peace of
mind, and I never stop condemning myself long adfter the deed has been done.
   I too grew in a polygamic family and my mother, a second wife, suffered magic
attacks from the first wife, who also turned out to have always been the
favourite, on account of very strong magic work before her wedding to my father.
   he went on to marry four other women, one of whom left because she was
childless.
   The woman did not need to do all she did to punish her co-spouses, but she did
so all the same.
   I held myself back until I left Africa and came to live in England. But after
she made my youngest sister go mad, I was full of fury and sent back what she
did to her own children. within of my performing the ritual by lighting a single
candle, two of her children, a son and a daughter also went mad. I did not send
a demon, but I know just what my anger was. If she had stood in front of me at
that time, I would have been capable to do real damage to her with my thoughts
alone. (And I know that it usually works. for me)
   My sister eventually got better. That woman's daughter is living a form of
normal life, but the son's madness will never go away; mainly because when I
think about it, My mind argues immediately "Remember what you all went through,
remember your mum".
   Somehow I find myself being very condemning of myself and feeling guilty about
that. But she brough her children up to be just as nasty as herself. And there
not a single one of them I can remember not acting out evilly, and nastily one
way or the other toward us the children of the other wives.
   If I feel this guilty, I wonder how it will be if god forbid I ever got
tempted to send a demon.
   I have never liked revenge magic, and my conscience is also the reason why I
always refuse to do such work for people who ask me.
   Well thanks all. I guess this has been my confession...
   And it is my birthday today.
   Desiree
   __________________________________________________________
   --- In solomonic@yahoogroups.com, <ashirahickok@...> wrote:
   >
   > Hello St Balthazar
   > The 1st and 2nd wife are married to a Muslim man who is married to BOTH at
the same time. It is not hatred but jealousy. The 1st wife might have hatred.





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

My rule is, if I wouldn't do it by "ordinary" means, I don't do it by
magic.  And vice versa, really.  I don't see *any* moral difference between
magic and physical actions, and I don't believe that one has heavier
consequences than the other.  (Nor am I crazy about the use of the word
"karma" here which is way more complex than being punished for being bad.)

Magic does have a wyrd, or is a wyrd, but the effect of using it is that it
will follow you into your next life.  This is true no matter what you use it
*for.*  The good or bad of your actions is a separate issue.

I feel perfectly justified and morally sanguine about using force to defend
myself.  I only use it if it's really necessary because overusing it causes
problems.  I feel exactly the same way about malefic magic.  I can and will
and am very effective at it, just as I know how to use martial arts to
defend myself...but I hardly ever need to.  If you have to throw magic
around all the time to defend yourself, look at your situation and
associates to see why.

Sara


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello St B
I deal with the world around me nonstop and do not sanitize any tradition. I
hope the pious platitudes stick in your mind because you will need it in the
future with your opinions.

As I say we agree to disagree andI have not limited your choices you have been
trying to correct me from the start on my choices. All of us have a right to
exist and your sanitizing the art comments just means anyone who disagrees with
your opinions.

I know very few people that live with this world helping others 24/7 like I do
so I hope you get out of your apartment and work with the world yourself.

Nita
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: st_balthazar
   To: solomonic@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 10:10 AM
   Subject: [Solomonic] Re: Why attack others?



   Nita,

   Magicians and conjurers should all make their own choices about what is just
and moral with regards to malefica, without feeling censured by a historically
recent trend to sanitize the tradition.

   Pious moralizing platitudes about 'karma' mean little when the rubber hits the
road I am sad to say. Look around at the world we live in, and let the scales
fall from your eyes.

   cordially,
   St.B
   http://gnostic-conjure.blogspot.com/

   >A curse is never justified with people who do not know magic and even then it
is not >justified. Slapping them around has less karma and is more fun. You only
pay on the >physical plane.





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

ashirahickok@... wrote:
>
> I know someone who cursed a person over stealing her book, and her not wanting
him to give it away for free. Ego, Jealousy because they were incapable of doing
a book of that sort, anger because she did not see the instant superiority of
their thinking about giving away her work.

Maybe don't be so quick to judge, if you have not poured sweat and blood
into a book from which you hope to make a living only to see it ripped off
by lazy skeevs and downloaded 35,000 times on torrent sites. As far as I am
concerned, people who steal books should be publicly flogged. Cursing would
be the least of their problems.

> A curse is never justified with people who do not know magic and even then it
is not justified. Slapping them around has less karma and is more fun. You only
pay on the physical plane.

Go get yourself a beating and then come back and tell us how it was better
than being cursed. Until then, this sounds like a defense of reactionary
laws re wife-beating.

Harry
--
The Alchemist's Garden
http://herbalwitchcraft.com/blog/

Thanks to you all who commented on my post. Some made good points in support,
others seming to see things my way.
But I still think as is said by the French "He Who spit in the air, will see the
spittle dropping back on his nose"
I have been involved in magic from a very young age and I have learnt that it
was not good for me to take such actions. because I simply lose my peace of
mind, and I never stop condemning myself long adfter the deed has been done.
I too grew in a polygamic family and my mother, a second wife, suffered magic
attacks from the first wife, who also turned out to have always been the
favourite, on account of very strong magic work before her wedding to my father.
he went on to marry four other women, one of whom left because she was
childless.
The woman did not need to do all she did to punish her co-spouses, but she did
so all the same.
I held myself back until I left Africa and came to live in England. But after
she made my youngest sister go mad, I was full of fury and sent back what she
did to her own children. within of my performing the ritual by lighting a single
candle, two of her children, a son and a daughter also went mad. I did not send
a demon, but I know just what my anger was. If she had stood in front of me at
that time, I would have been capable to do real damage to her with my thoughts
alone. (And I know that it usually works. for me)
My sister eventually got better. That woman's daughter is living a form of
normal life, but the son's madness will never go away; mainly because when I
think about it, My mind argues immediately "Remember what you all went through,
remember your mum".
Somehow I find myself being very condemning of myself and feeling guilty about
that. But she brough her children up to be just as nasty as herself. And there
not a single one of them I can remember not acting out evilly, and nastily one
way or the other toward us the children of the other wives.
    If I feel this guilty, I wonder how it will be if god forbid I ever got
tempted to send a demon.
I have never liked revenge magic, and my conscience is also the reason why I
always refuse to do such work for people who ask me.
Well thanks all. I guess this has been my confession...
And it is my birthday today.
Desiree
______________________________________________________________
--- In solomonic@yahoogroups.com, <ashirahickok@...> wrote:
>
> Hello St Balthazar
> The 1st and 2nd wife are married to a Muslim man who is married to BOTH at the
same time. It is not hatred but jealousy. The 1st wife might have hatred.

Nita,

Magicians and conjurers should all make their own choices about what is just and
moral with regards to malefica, without feeling censured by a historically
recent trend to sanitize the tradition.

Pious moralizing platitudes about 'karma' mean little when the rubber hits the
road I am sad to say. Look around at the world we live in, and let the scales
fall from your eyes.

cordially,
St.B
http://gnostic-conjure.blogspot.com/

>A curse is never justified with people who do not know magic and even then it
is not >justified. Slapping them around has less karma and is more fun. You only
pay on the >physical plane.

Hello St Balthazar
The 1st and 2nd wife are married to a Muslim man who is married to BOTH at the
same time. It is not hatred but jealousy. The 1st wife might have hatred.

The two cases were separate about the voodoo case. The woman cursed the guy to
pass the curse section of the course. I heard her online laughing about it and
had the client at the time. The in-laws were cursing them over petty statements
which again is ego.

I must disagree with you as a person who does this sort of work ought to know
that the spirits like to get people into their grips at times that know nothing
and use them. You yourself should realize that curses take the path of least
resistance.

I know someone who cursed a person over stealing her book, and her not wanting
him to give it away for free. Ego, Jealousy because they were incapable of doing
a book of that sort, anger because she did not see the instant superiority of
their thinking about giving away her work. I can go on but they are all
magicians who think they are slick.

Next you talk about what you do to others and how justified it is and I am sure
it is on people who do not know how to defend themselves or you would have
learned about reversals. A curse is never justified with people who do not know
magic and even then it is not justified. Slapping them around has less karma and
is more fun. You only pay on the physical plane.

So you can talk all you want but it comes down to a person who can focus,
visualize, and perform a ritual in most of the cases. They might not be as
through as you are in trying to break someone but they can get the job done.

Read what makes a magic spell work and then try to say that a person with those
qualities is not easy to find in most countries and can do a curse just as
easily as a good luck spell.

The problem people always have ego problems, rationalize things so they get to
do what they want, and the normal non- magician sorts are all about jealousy,
envy, anger, and are event driven. Ego can be a part of this also.

So we can agree to disagree but I doubt 39 years of work on people is wrong.
Nita


   ----- Original Message -----
   From: st_balthazar
   To: solomonic@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 02:34 AM
   Subject: [Solomonic] Re: Why attack others?



   Hi Nita,

   The example you give of the in-laws cursing the husband for mistreating the
daughter seems to be supportive of my point, and justified cursing in my mind.
Similarly your example of the 1st wife cursing the 2nd. In the cases of spouses
remarrying this kind of hatred often comes from the new wife and her children
getting better treatment and support than the first wife does. She resorts to
magic seeing the new wife flourish while she herself or her own children lack.
Why do you think she decided to take 'voodoo' courses at all?

   To you this might seem petty but to the family who's daughter is being abused
or to the ex wife whose fortunes wane whilst the new wife flourishes it seems
quite serious and there is a lot of true, and to them, justified hatred there.

   As for a truly malefic spell being easy I must differ with you on this. I do
this kind of work, if justified; and whilst it might be relatively easy to jinx
someone with bad luck or bad dreams - a truly malefic work, one which brings
about poverty, sickness, madness or death - takes motivation, determination and
a continuous sustained effort. Thats the truth.

   It takes some force, to say the least, and some people are better at it than
others, but easy it certainly is not. Sometimes multiple attacks on various
areas need to be sustained (health, money, mind) until one gives. Sometimes
spirits need to get conjured in addition to this, sometimes you need to plant
bad work on their vehicle, property or person too. Its arduous, unhealthy work
for the operator, and as such usually there is usually strong motivating reason
behind it or else the operator simply gives up the effort when the flush of
anger passes.

   I am sorry to say but a quick spell off the web some pettiness, visualization
and concentration usually wont do it - if it did politicians would be dropping
dead left right and centre. Some spiritual workers specialize in this and they
spend their whole life refining the art, just like any other art.

   Now, I didn't say all curses are justified but I am saying the truly
destructive kind, because of the sustained effort involved, are usually being
sustained for a seemingly valid reason, thats all.

   Kindly,
   St. B
   http://gnostic-conjure.blogspot.com/

   --- In solomonic@yahoogroups.com, <ashirahickok@...> wrote:
   >
   > Hello St Bathazer
   > I just got home from a 1st wife casting a curse on the 2nd wife in Mumbai.
The last year I have had a number of curse cases.
   >
   > One was to do her homework for curses in the voodoo courses she took. One
was because the boyfriend did not stick with the girlfriend who wanted him
around. Another was in laws cursing a husband for not treating their daughter
right.
   >
   > I can go on and on so sanitizing the art is not my intention. They find the
spells on the web many times with out studying magic or in the many books on
Scribd and other places.
   >
   > I started out my career studying Solomonic magic 39 years ago. I have
learned a great deal since then. It does not always involve terminal hatred and
people really hating someone.
   >
   > That is the motivation for some curses but most are over jealousy, envy,
ego, and not hatred. You never attack them in return because skilled workers can
reverse things upon you that you do. It then becomes whose reversal is whose and
an utter mess.
   >
   > Most people do not know how to do a reversal properly where it does work and
does not get reversed. A truly malelific spell just takes focus, concentration
and visualization like everything else.
   > Nita





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