Shri Gopal Goel ji,
Namaskar!
I am really glad to hear from an astrologer of repute like you that, "A civil and seasonal calender has to be based on tropical
co-ordinates. This was recognised since Vadic era."

Even if we agree, without any rhyme or reasons to your next statement that,"The predictive astrology needed different co-ordinates and tools", it means that calendar making and predictive gimmicks are entirely two different things. As such, would you kindly make an appeal to all the "Vedic", "non-Vedic" and even "Anti-Vedic" astrologers not to meddle with calendar making and just concentrate on predictive gimmicks! I hope, against hope, that you will definitely make such an appeal, and I further hope, again against hope, that predictive astrologers will leave calendar making to real Vedic scholars and scientists instead of poking their "not-too-clean" noses into such affairs.
In other words, they, I mean the jyotishis, including you, will celebrate Makar Sankranti on the shortest day of the year and Mesha Sankranti on the Venal Exuinox day and so on, whatever or whchever Rashichakra they, including you, use for their predictive gimmicks.
With regrads,
A K Kaul
--- In Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@yahoogrou ps.com, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote:
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> Dear Pandey ji,
> YOU have posted nice dialogue, it is good to read at.
> The calender making and its reform are serious matters
> and decided on scientific basis.
> A civil and seasonal calender has to be based on tropical
> co-ordinates. This was recognised since Vadic era.
> The predictive astrology needed different co-ordinates and tools:
> !. Since ancient days , the sages observed, recognised and evolved various stars
> and constellations .They had  also recorded the effects of transit of planets in constellations.
> These are given in vast independent literature  still available , which is called Mahurta shastra.
> These references are also extensively quoted in Vedas' , Puranas' etc.
> 2.. After Mahabharata era , Panchag was come into existence and in extensive use .( In those days
>   it was not possible to pin-point the location of V.E.Point on  ecliptic.)
> Panchang has five limbs:
>
>  a. Vara -week days- In  Indian Astrology , week day starts from Sun rise.Sun rise was calculated
>   with help of charantra and velantra. 
> Knowledge of vara prolongs life as it gives life and energy. 
>   b.  Tithi -As all of us know  it is angular difference in the arc of Moon and Sun
> Knowledge of tithi brings prosperity as it strengthen marital relationship , passion and love life.
>  c. KARAN - Karan represent half of the TITHI.It has a big importance as it controls the Karma.
> Knowledge of karna leads  to success in all endeavours as it indicates activity,work in society,and achievements,
>   d.  Nakshatra - As Moon takes a round of the earth in about 27.32 days , they have divided
>       Zodiac in 27 equal parts each of 13deg 20 min.  They had also visualised(or introduced )
>      28th Nakshatra , but without disturbing basic division of 27 Nakshatras-28th the ancient nakshatra
>      carved out of last pada of Uttarasadha and 1st portion   of 53'20"of Sarvan.Taittirya Samhita 4.4.10 gives the     names of Naksharas . We are using the same names without any deviation.
>    Similarly , Richika 3.11.1 of Taittrya Brahman contains all the names like Sun .Moon, Nakshatra,
>    Samvatsar, Ritu ,Masa,Arthmasa, Ahoratri, Purnamasi ,Astami , Amavasya etc.It also says that division       of   Nakshatra is based on Moon.
>    Nakshatra was used as one limb of Panchang since time immemorial.Varaha Mihiri in Surya siddhanta
>    also indicates the commencing  point of each Nakshatra from its yogatara,
>    Yogatara of nakshatra Chitra  i.e star chitra is exactly in the middle of this nakshatra and as such
>    1st point of sidereal zodiac is commences opposite to star Chitra.This fact was  also recognised    by Calender Committee , Most of Panchang makers agree with this.
> Knowledge of nakshatra removes sins as it is indicator of disease, death . bodily ailments.
>   e, YOGA - This is the sum of the longitudes  of Sun and Moon (Atma + Manha = Jeevha) ,They are also
>      27 in number and 1st Yoga- Visvakumbha commences from star Pushya.This is the reason that
>      there is a Puranic lore that Jupiter (Jeeva) was born in Pushya.
> Knowledge of yoga gives immunity from diseases as it is indicator of general relationships, the company one keeps , friendship circle.
> Next step was to develop branch  known as Jataka .In this we require a birth chart and its analysis.
> BPHS PROVIDES US UNIQUE TECHNIQUES TO ANALYSE A BIRTH NATIVITIES . It is unfortunate
> that some savants (though in poor minority ) are not able to see its merits. They are more interested in
> chronological order than the contents. Such persons wish to reform others without first reforming themselves.
> No person can appreciate the depth of sidereal astrology without understanding Mahurta shastra.
> Vikram Samvats-sar calender is totally based on astronomical norms and completely suitable
> and meets the requirements of our ancient astrology which is developed in last 5000 years.
> The present calender is in continuous use for over 2000 years.
> No one calender can meet all the requirement of society,as such the present panchangs are amalgamation
> of many calenders meets the requirement of all division of society.As an example you pick up Martand Panchang,
> it gives all necessary information on sidereal , tropical as well as other calender. one can pick up information according to its need.
> Regards,
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>  G.K.GOEL
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> From: Prashant Pandey <praspandey@ ...>
> To: indian_astrology_ group_daily_ digest@yahoogrou ps.com
> Sent: Tuesday, 7 July, 2009 10:02:48 PM
> Subject: [Ind. & West. Astrology] Fwd: Americanised( Westernised) Ramayana
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> --- In HinduCalendar@ yahoogroups. com, "ramkileela" <ramkileela@ ...> wrote:
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> Americanised Ramayan
>
> A young second generation Indian in the US was asked by his mother to
> explain the significance of "Diwali" to his younger brother, this is
> how he went about it...
>
> " So, like this dude had, like, a big cool kingdom and people liked
> him. But, like, his step-mom, or something, was kind of a bitch, and
> she forced her husband to, like, send this cool-dude, he was Ram, to
> some national forest or something... Since he was going, for like,
> something like more than 10 years or so... he decided to get his wife
> and his bro along... you know...so that they could all chill out
> together.. But Dude, the forest was reeeeal scary shit... really
> man...they had monkeys and devil s and shit like that. But this dude,
> Ram, kicked with darts and bows and arrows... so it was fine.
>
> But then some bad gangsta boys, some jerk called Ravan, picks up his
> babe (Sita) and lures her away to his hood. And boy, was our man, and
> also his bro, Laxman, pissed... all the gods were with him... So
> anyways, you don't mess with gods. So, Ram, and his bro get an army of
> monkeys... Dude, don't ask me how they trained the damn monkeys...
> just go along with me, ok...
>
> So, Ram, Lax and their monkeys whip this gangsta's ass in his own
> hood... Anyways, by this time, their time's up in the forest... and
> anyways.... it gets kinda boring, you know... no TV or malls or shit
> like that. So,they decided to hitch a ride back home... and when the
> people realize that our dude, his bro and the wife are back home...
> they thought, well, you know, at least they deserve something nice...
> and they didn't have any bars or clubs in those days... so they
> couldn't take them out for a drink, so they, like, decided to smoke
> and shit... and since they also had some lamps, they lit the lamps
> also....so it was pretty cooool... you know with all those
> fireworks... .. Really, they even had some local band play along with
> the fireworks... and you know, what, dude, that was the very first, no
> kidding.., thatwas the very first music-synchronized fireworks... you
> know, like the 4th of July stuff, but just, more cooler and stuff, you
> know. And, so dude,
> that was how, like, this festival started."
>
> The mother fainted..
>
> --- End forwarded message ---
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