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#38250 From: "homewld" <terry@...>
Date: Thu Nov 26, 2009 8:49 am
Subject: Re: Si570 frequency limits
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The first thing I built, basically to see if I could, was the USB synthesizer.
The Si570 is labelled

CAC000141G

D088Y814+

Am I right in thinking this one is locked

Terry

G3WDI

#38249 From: Wes Hartman <kc5fgk@...>
Date: Thu Nov 26, 2009 6:00 am
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Rocky runs in Windows 7 32 bit with a USB soundcard. Don't have a higher-end laptop to try it on yet.


#38248 From: santini <santini@...>
Date: Thu Nov 26, 2009 4:00 am
Subject: Re: Re: Si570 frequency limits
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On 11/25/2009 10:51 PM, Bruce Tanner wrote:
> Just checked my V8.3 which has an "808" date.. you are probably in luck
> with that one too!
>
> bet
>
> KF4BQ wrote:
>
>>
>>> I have one Si570 bought way back when we first started to use them.
>>>
>>> It is a BBC000141G, and the small print below it is something like
>>>
>> (not 100% sure as the markings are rather faint and tiny):
>>
>>> D0609804
>>>
>>> Could this be an "unlocked" chip?
>>>
>> Hi Alex,
>>
>> That one is no good, send it to me !!!
>>
>> Actually from my notes on the Si570 I have had, that one is probably
>> unlocked !!
>>
>> The last 3 digits are YR and week code. Think the transition was
>> around 813 or so. Might be off a few weeks. I have some 742's that are
>> unlocked and a 808 that is unlocked. My 814's seem locked.
>>
>> Those were the good days, sure wish I had more unlocked ones :))
>>
>> 73, Mike Collins KF4BQ
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
>> signature database 4637 (20091125) __________
>>
>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.
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>> http://www.eset.com
>>
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>
Hi Gang,
Can anyone tell me if this is a hi speed part please.

SI570
CA00001416
D07B5808

Just might build a sig gen if it is the high speed part.

thanks, Jim WY4R
es 73

#38247 From: Bruce Tanner <bet110@...>
Date: Thu Nov 26, 2009 3:51 am
Subject: Re: Re: Si570 frequency limits
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Just checked my V8.3 which has an "808" date.. you are probably in luck
with that one too!

bet

KF4BQ wrote:
>
> > I have one Si570 bought way back when we first started to use them.
> >
> > It is a BBC000141G, and the small print below it is something like
> (not 100% sure as the markings are rather faint and tiny):
> >
> > D0609804
> >
> > Could this be an "unlocked" chip?
>
> Hi Alex,
>
> That one is no good, send it to me !!!
>
> Actually from my notes on the Si570 I have had, that one is probably
> unlocked !!
>
> The last 3 digits are YR and week code. Think the transition was
> around 813 or so. Might be off a few weeks. I have some 742's that are
> unlocked and a 808 that is unlocked. My 814's seem locked.
>
> Those were the good days, sure wish I had more unlocked ones :))
>
> 73, Mike Collins KF4BQ
>
>
>
>
> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
> signature database 4637 (20091125) __________
>
> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.
>
> http://www.eset.com

#38246 From: "alexle188" <lee188@...>
Date: Thu Nov 26, 2009 2:51 am
Subject: Re: Si570 frequency limits
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Hi Mike,

Great news!!! This calls for champagne :-)

I will keep this Si570 for the UHFSDR project then :-)))))

Actually I may have another one hiding in my built SR v8.3.  I shall take a look
and extract it with my hot air gun, and then I can put two items on sale:

(1)  unlocked LVDS Si570
(2)  built and tested SR v8.3 without the Si570 chip

:-))))

73's

Alex

#38245 From: "KF4BQ" <mikecol@...>
Date: Thu Nov 26, 2009 2:34 am
Subject: Re: Si570 frequency limits
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> I have one Si570 bought way back when we first started to use them.
>
> It is a BBC000141G, and the small print below it is something like (not 100%
sure as the markings are rather faint and tiny):
>
> D0609804
>
> Could this be an "unlocked" chip?

Hi Alex,

That one is no good, send it to me !!!

Actually from my notes on the Si570 I have had, that one is probably unlocked !!

The last 3 digits are YR and week code.  Think the transition was around 813 or
so.  Might be off a few weeks.  I have some 742's that are unlocked and a 808
that is unlocked.  My 814's seem locked.

Those were the good days, sure wish I had more unlocked ones :))

73,  Mike Collins  KF4BQ

#38244 From: "alexle188" <lee188@...>
Date: Thu Nov 26, 2009 1:57 am
Subject: Re: Si570 frequency limits
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Hi Cecil et al,

I have one Si570 bought way back when we first started to use them.

It is a BBC000141G, and the small print below it is something like (not 100%
sure as the markings are rather faint and tiny):

D0609804

Could this be an "unlocked" chip?

Thanks for any clues.

73's

Alex

#38243 From: k5nwa <k5nwa@...>
Date: Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:43 am
Subject: Re: Si570 frequency limits
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At 03:10 AM 11/25/2009, you wrote:

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave - WB6DHW"
Subject: [softrock40] Si570 frequency limits


>  Anyone know if the 280 MHz limit for the C grade LVDS and LVPECL
> devices is a hard limit or if it might be a little higher.  I ask

I investigated this some time ago, Robby's or the group search does not find
the thread.

A quick check on a later "C" LVDS shows it to stop at 269.42MHz and work
between 303.12 and 346.32MHz.
I seem to remember that I worked out that the on/off points related to
switch points in the chip showing various ranges had been disabled
internally.
Anyone having early LVDS is sitting on a fortune, I have 6 "C" grades which
seem to cover the whole range.

73 Alan G4ZFQ

I have 10 of them, and they are not for sale.

Cecil
k5nwa
www.softrockradio.org www.qrpradio.com
http://parts.softrockradio.org/  >

Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.


#38242 From: <white512@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 7:21 pm
Subject: Re: Two custom built Lite II receivers available
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Ma interested in one that will cover 40 meters CW

73,

Gary - W5GW
---- kb9yig <kb9yig@...> wrote:
> Good Afternoon All,
>
> Two built Lite II receivers are available for custom center frequency
applications.  The two built units will be completed to the requirements of the
people who order the units.  Custom center frequencies between 464 kHz and 8.83
MHz are possible, with a center frequency dependent on availability of an
inexpensive crystal for the center frequency.
>
> If anyone has a need for a Lite II receiver with a custom center frequency,
please contact me off line and let me know what center frequency is of interest
to you.  I will determine if a suitable crystal is available for that
application.
>
> Thanks and 73,
> Tony KB9YIG
>

#38241 From: Mr Doug - <dsc3507@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 6:06 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Rocky 3.6 in Vista
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I guess all this implies that the VM is truely Winxp in every way including I/O. I am not sure that would be the case since it would run under a much more strict parent and if the parent compromises these things it reduces its security effectiveness.

Sounds like a real backwards (sic) way to do things though. Why not just let these not up to date packages die! Rather than "pushing" rocky (and other non compliant SW) in howto's etc., push those that work across the board. Whats wrong with PowerSDR?

Hams in general are frugal and I bet there are a good share of DOS computers still out there running things like JNOS and old BBS's etc. Heck there are still people running Z80 computers. remember Digital Group and Ampro? I still have both hardwares stored around here somewhere never to be used again.

We just went through the external sound card thread on here and from my research and what I have heard back there is no real good external sound card within reach of the average user (under $200 or so)  They are just average and beatable by many internal cards in the same range.

So it is kind of a dilemma but I still think if the SW kept up with the hardware it would solve many if not most of these problems.

Doug

--- On Wed, 11/25/09, Marciniak, Ed <emarciniak@...> wrote:

From: Marciniak, Ed <emarciniak@...>
Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: Rocky 3.6 in Vista
To: "'softrock40@yahoogroups.com'" <softrock40@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 12:16 PM

 

An xp virtual machine with no virtual network interface would have only shared flash drives as a disease vector. If the win 7 or vista was secure, then nothing could wreck your xp vm and even if it did you could keep it from getting out. Additionally if your vm had only ham sw and no banking web site usage, there's nothing to steal...


From: softrock40@yahoogro ups.com <softrock40@yahoogro ups.com>
To: softrock40@yahoogro ups.com <softrock40@yahoogro ups.com>
Sent: Wed Nov 25 11:12:45 2009
Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: Rocky 3.6 in Vista

 


----- Original Message -----
From: "Marciniak, Ed"
Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: Rocky 3.6 in Vista

>
> The solution would be to focus on making it work in a virtual machine and
> running it in the required os, or trying to run it through emulator in
> Linux.
>
>

As there is so much old software for amateur radio does it not make a case
to run a dedicated computer with XP?
I'm afraid Linux and Virtual Machines are not too easy to cope with. Then
anything secure and entertainment oriented may be left to Win7.

73 Alan G4ZFQ



#38240 From: Art <KY1K@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 5:39 pm
Subject: Re: [softck40] New mailing list established for UHF-SDR
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Hi OM/YL,

I'm not sure why they are horrible, I have administered a high altitude balloon related mailing list there since day 1 and there has never been a complaint.

I have personal reasons why I prefer google, but will refrain from sharing them with the softrock community.

If you have specific examples of inadequacy of google to provide a mailing list, please email me by private email. I am very interested in providing a properly functioning mailing list and would use yahoo if google's service is inadequate.

I will send you my personal opinion regarding my prejudice (against) the use of yahoo (by private email).

Regards,

Art



Please do not use Google groups they are horrible.  Please start a new Yahoo group.



From: Art <KY1K@...>
Reply-To: < softrock40@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:33:14 -0500
To: < softrock40@yahoogroups.com>, < dds_controller@yahoogroups.com>, <moboKITS@googlegroups.com >
Subject: [softrock40] New mailing list established for UHF-SDR

 
 
 
  

Hi All,

I just established a new mailing list for all those interested in
Dave's UHF-SDR project.

#38239 From: Sid Boyce <sboyce@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 5:31 pm
Subject: Re: Solved! was Re: SDR-Shell now works for the USB Softrock Receivers using usbsoftrock....
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On 25/11/09 14:23, alexle188 wrote:
>
>
> Hi Sid, Glenn, Rob et al,
>
> Finally SDR-Shell works with usbsoftrock -d -a !!!! :-)
>
> Sid's "arrow" trick did it !!!
>
It was only when I saw the "control by usbsoftrock" button in CFG, I
decided to look again at Edson's sdr-shell docs. You get the impression
that it should all happen using the mouse.
http://ewpereira.info/sdr-shell/ for keyboard and mouse operation.

> Thanks for all the tips. I needed -n3 -s with jackd to reduce the xrun
> so that the audio does not break. (Found out from some jackd
> documentation that recommends -n3 for USB audio. I'm using my USB sound
> card - SoundBlaster Life! 24-bit external USB.)
>
That's interesting to know for the beagleboard and using usb audio. I
need wxWidgets and wxPython for quisk to run, both proving stubborn to
build on the beagleboard, it's also missing jack_connect which I am
trying to build.

> After setting the "initial" freq in the CFG box, I can tune up and down
> with the left and right arrow keys.
>

> The offset of frequency displayed in SDR-Shell is 12 khz from the
> "center" frequency of the Si570. (I know exactly what the center
> frequency, ie the Si570 frequency divided by 4, which is clocking the
> QSD stage in the SR v6.3 RxTx, as I am using the Mobo v4.3 with the LCD
> display.)
>
> So this is like the constant IF method of tuning, which is fine with me.
>
> Thanks to all for your tips, and to Rob for writing the SDR-Shell branch!
>
> 73's
>
> Alex
>

Great work all round and thanks to Edson, Andrew, Rob and all who have
chipped in - it should lighten the work Edson has to do on his next
version of sdr-shell.
73 ... Sid.
--
Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot
Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
Specialist, Cricket Coach
Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks

#38238 From: "Marciniak, Ed" <emarciniak@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 5:16 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Rocky 3.6 in Vista
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An xp virtual machine with no virtual network interface would have only shared flash drives as a disease vector. If the win 7 or vista was secure, then nothing could wreck your xp vm and even if it did you could keep it from getting out. Additionally if your vm had only ham sw and no banking web site usage, there's nothing to steal...


From: softrock40@yahoogroups.com <softrock40@yahoogroups.com>
To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com <softrock40@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed Nov 25 11:12:45 2009
Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: Rocky 3.6 in Vista

 


----- Original Message -----
From: "Marciniak, Ed"
Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: Rocky 3.6 in Vista

>
> The solution would be to focus on making it work in a virtual machine and
> running it in the required os, or trying to run it through emulator in
> Linux.
>
>

As there is so much old software for amateur radio does it not make a case
to run a dedicated computer with XP?
I'm afraid Linux and Virtual Machines are not too easy to cope with. Then
anything secure and entertainment oriented may be left to Win7.

73 Alan G4ZFQ


#38237 From: "Alan" <alan4alan@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 5:14 pm
Subject: Re: Si570 frequency limits
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Marciniak, Ed"
>
> Does anyone know if they work around 606-692 mhz range? 1200 mhz range?
>

No, only what I said.

73 Alan G4ZFQ

#38236 From: "Alan" <alan4alan@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 5:12 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Rocky 3.6 in Vista
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Marciniak, Ed"
Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: Rocky 3.6 in Vista


>
> The solution would be to focus on making it work in a virtual machine and
> running it in the required os, or trying to run it through emulator in
> Linux.
>
>

As there is so much old software for amateur radio does it not make a case
to run a dedicated computer with XP?
I'm afraid Linux and Virtual Machines are not too easy to cope with. Then
anything secure and entertainment oriented may be left to Win7.

73 Alan G4ZFQ

#38235 From: Bruce Tanner <bet110@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:39 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Rocky 3.6 in Vista
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One work around with this is to use an outboard audio interface with its
own codec. The Henry Engineering Match Box II is such a device but is
relatively, very expensive. I used this with a Softrock V6.2 during the
recent SSB Sweeps and received 20 reports/19 sections on 40 meters in
less than  five hours of play total. I did not work very hard at it!
Really surprised at what the Softrock is capable of at average peaks of
500-600 Mv. The plus side of these devices is that they are not
dependent on any other drivers other than the one within.

I have seen a similar item in the recent QST that someone is marketing.
It looks like it might work the same but the article did not give any
specs with regard to sampling rates, bit size, cost etc. Will have to
research that one a little more. Supposedly these units will work with
all versions of Windows as well as Linux, though I have only used it
with Win XP..

Bruce, K2BET
-----------------------

R R Robson wrote:
>
>
> 
>
> Re: Are there specific pieces of software people would like to
> approach a developer about getting signed?
> Yes.  VAC
>
> Only way to run VAC under the current crop of MS OSs is to lower
> shields and accept all test signatures.
>
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Marciniak, Ed <mailto:emarciniak@...>
>     *To:* 'softrock40@yahoogroups.com'
>     <mailto:%27softrock40@yahoogroups.com%27>
>     *Sent:* Wednesday, November 25, 2009 8:16 AM
>     *Subject:* Re: [softrock40] Re: Rocky 3.6 in Vista
>
>
>
>     What seperates a developer from signed or unsigned code is a
>     certificate that costs around $200 a year.
>
>     Of course, once an app is signed if the developer quits updating
>     the app, the old version will still continue to run and install fine.
>
>     Are there specific pieces of software people would like to
>     approach a developer about getting signed?
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     *From*: softrock40@yahoogroups.com <softrock40@yahoogroups.com>
>     *To*: softrock40@yahoogroups.com <softrock40@yahoogroups.com>
>     *Sent*: Wed Nov 25 06:57:33 2009
>     *Subject*: [softrock40] Re: Rocky 3.6 in Vista
>
>
>
>
>     --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com
>     <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>, Mr Doug - <dsc3507@...> wrote:
>     >
>     > OK thanks, Well I realize t is a challenge and gift that these
>     >authors write this stuff but I think they often assume that
>     everyone >is running winXp. We are now two version of windows
>     beyond that.
>
>     This is a big deal every 5-7 years for me. I run a medium sized IT
>     department, and upgrading operating systems is a lot of work. The
>     question is always - when? We skipped the first release of Vista,
>     but began limited rollouts when SP1 was released. Once they got
>     over the first few days of confusion about changes, most users
>     really liked Vista. We've fully tested Windows 7 now, and it is
>     now our standard OS for all new machines.
>
>     Over the next 2 years, we'll be aggressively trying to rid
>     ourselves of XP. Yes, XP works fine, and new OS's don't provide
>     significant performance or user enhancements. But - the driver
>     models in XP, and the complete lack of priviledge escalation
>     controls, make XP nearly untenable for us now. Despite running
>     multiple virus and spyware scanners, and operating the latest
>     Ironport malware intercept proxies, we still end up rebuilding
>     several machines a week from virus infections, and XP is so
>     vulnerable to them, it's just impossible to prevent contamination
>     now. We have yet to rebuild a Vista machine as a result of virus
>     or trojan problems. The VAC controls and driver signing in Vista
>     make it a lot harder for a trojan to take hold in Vista or 7.
>
>     Over the past few years, I have seen precious few home machines
>     running XP that weren't compromised. There are so many vectors to
>     get into the machines now, it's impossible to block them all, and
>     the scanning software lost the race to keep up years ago. A huge
>     percentage of identity theft cases can now be traced directly to
>     Windows XP.
>
>     With respect to Rocky, the author gives it away for free, and I
>     can well understand why he might be reluctant to re-write the code
>     to support the new driver model. Perhaps the libraries he uses
>     haven't been upgraded, or it's just a ton of work. He's probably
>     wise to put his emphasis on software that brings him a return. I
>     just bought an external soundcard, which works fine in Winders 7.
>     A small price to pay, to prevent the russian or chinese hackers
>     from getting my credit card data (I do shop online).
>
>     As one of the many beneficiaries of VE3NEA's largesse, I can only
>     say "Thanks a million" for supporting us with free software, and
>     if he never gets around to writing for the new driver models, it
>     won't diminish my gratitude to him one iota. I hope he does, but
>     his status as "benefactor" is secured, in my book.
>
>
>
>
> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
> signature database 4635 (20091125) __________
>
> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.
>
> http://www.eset.com

#38234 From: Art <KY1K@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:06 pm
Subject: uhf-sdr Group Buy update
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Hi All,

I have received 10 orders for uhf-sdr kits, so the Group Buy will proceed!!

A couple of you are interested in ordering 2 kits....this is ok, but
please be aware that these kits are technically not in production and
might still have bugs.

The new uhf-sdrkits mailing list has been established, all are
welcome to join. However, to join you must make some sort of
appropriate comment or have your callsign in your email address. This
is purely an antispam tactic, I hate spammers.

The uhf-sdr mailing list will be the primary means of distributing
information about the progress of the development and the distribution of kits.

Group is at:

http://groups.google.com/group/uhf-sdrkits

Regards,

Art

#38233 From: "Marciniak, Ed" <emarciniak@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:47 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Rocky 3.6 in Vista
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Sometimes libraries a programmer chooses to use are found to have issues such as
not being threadsafe, or the developer dies/retires. If such a library was a
backbone in the application and a potential replacement forces a rearchitecting
of accomodate, that can bea daunting task for something given away free. Perhaps
certain methods used aren't amenable to managed code (.net)
In any case, gratitude is the right attitude.

The solution would be to focus on making it work in a virtual machine and
running it in the required os, or trying to run it through emulator in Linux.


----- Original Message -----
From: softrock40@yahoogroups.com <softrock40@yahoogroups.com>
To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com <softrock40@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed Nov 25 08:36:27 2009
Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: Rocky 3.6 in Vista

Well, Brian, you have composed a 'keeper'! Thanks for the review of
Windows 7. It sounds as comprehensive as one might be able to construct
at this point in the release and I am happy to hear of the benefits you
outline.

On 'Rocky': The author, Alex, made a pretty firm statement nearly two
years ago that 'Rocky' would, "never be ported to Vista." So I think
that is that. He gave no particular reason but has reiterated the
comment a couple of times to my knowledge. I have no idea if he might
consider the possibilities with Windows 7 but at this point in time with
so many open source, voluntary software offerings, I suspect he may have
to consider a whole new application if he were to put time into a
revision. Perhaps there is enough such software in the wings already.

In any case I am in agreement with your complements for Alex's work and
free offerings to the SDR community. He has created a very nice ensemble
of amateur applications over the years. I have personally benefited from
most of them.

Again thanks for the Win 7 critique...

Bruce, K2BET
------------------
Brian wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>, Mr Doug - <dsc3507@...> wrote:
> >
> > OK thanks, Well I realize t is a challenge and gift that these
> >authors write this stuff but I think they often assume that everyone
> >is running winXp. We are now two version of windows beyond that.
>
> This is a big deal every 5-7 years for me. I run a medium sized IT
> department, and upgrading operating systems is a lot of work. The
> question is always - when? We skipped the first release of Vista, but
> began limited rollouts when SP1 was released. Once they got over the
> first few days of confusion about changes, most users really liked
> Vista. We've fully tested Windows 7 now, and it is now our standard OS
> for all new machines.
>
> Over the next 2 years, we'll be aggressively trying to rid ourselves
> of XP. Yes, XP works fine, and new OS's don't provide significant
> performance or user enhancements. But - the driver models in XP, and
> the complete lack of priviledge escalation controls, make XP nearly
> untenable for us now. Despite running multiple virus and spyware
> scanners, and operating the latest Ironport malware intercept proxies,
> we still end up rebuilding several machines a week from virus
> infections, and XP is so vulnerable to them, it's just impossible to
> prevent contamination now. We have yet to rebuild a Vista machine as a
> result of virus or trojan problems. The VAC controls and driver
> signing in Vista make it a lot harder for a trojan to take hold in
> Vista or 7.
>
> Over the past few years, I have seen precious few home machines
> running XP that weren't compromised. There are so many vectors to get
> into the machines now, it's impossible to block them all, and the
> scanning software lost the race to keep up years ago. A huge
> percentage of identity theft cases can now be traced directly to
> Windows XP.
>
> With respect to Rocky, the author gives it away for free, and I can
> well understand why he might be reluctant to re-write the code to
> support the new driver model. Perhaps the libraries he uses haven't
> been upgraded, or it's just a ton of work. He's probably wise to put
> his emphasis on software that brings him a return. I just bought an
> external soundcard, which works fine in Winders 7. A small price to
> pay, to prevent the russian or chinese hackers from getting my credit
> card data (I do shop online).
>
> As one of the many beneficiaries of VE3NEA's largesse, I can only say
> "Thanks a million" for supporting us with free software, and if he
> never gets around to writing for the new driver models, it won't
> diminish my gratitude to him one iota. I hope he does, but his status
> as "benefactor" is secured, in my book.
>
>
>
>
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> signature database 4635 (20091125) __________
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#38232 From: "R R Robson" <rrrobson@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:53 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Rocky 3.6 in Vista
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Re: Are there specific pieces of software people would like to approach a developer about getting signed?
Yes.  VAC
 
Only way to run VAC under the current crop of MS OSs is to lower shields and accept all test signatures.
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: Rocky 3.6 in Vista

 

What seperates a developer from signed or unsigned code is a certificate that costs around $200 a year.

Of course, once an app is signed if the developer quits updating the app, the old version will still continue to run and install fine.

Are there specific pieces of software people would like to approach a developer about getting signed?


From: softrock40@yahoogroups.com <softrock40@yahoogroups.com>
To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com <softrock40@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed Nov 25 06:57:33 2009
Subject: [softrock40] Re: Rocky 3.6 in Vista

 



--- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, Mr Doug - <dsc3507@...> wrote:
>
> OK thanks, Well I realize t is a challenge and gift that these >authors write this stuff but I think they often assume that everyone >is running winXp. We are now two version of windows beyond that.

This is a big deal every 5-7 years for me. I run a medium sized IT department, and upgrading operating systems is a lot of work. The question is always - when? We skipped the first release of Vista, but began limited rollouts when SP1 was released. Once they got over the first few days of confusion about changes, most users really liked Vista. We've fully tested Windows 7 now, and it is now our standard OS for all new machines.

Over the next 2 years, we'll be aggressively trying to rid ourselves of XP. Yes, XP works fine, and new OS's don't provide significant performance or user enhancements. But - the driver models in XP, and the complete lack of priviledge escalation controls, make XP nearly untenable for us now. Despite running multiple virus and spyware scanners, and operating the latest Ironport malware intercept proxies, we still end up rebuilding several machines a week from virus infections, and XP is so vulnerable to them, it's just impossible to prevent contamination now. We have yet to rebuild a Vista machine as a result of virus or trojan problems. The VAC controls and driver signing in Vista make it a lot harder for a trojan to take hold in Vista or 7.

Over the past few years, I have seen precious few home machines running XP that weren't compromised. There are so many vectors to get into the machines now, it's impossible to block them all, and the scanning software lost the race to keep up years ago. A huge percentage of identity theft cases can now be traced directly to Windows XP.

With respect to Rocky, the author gives it away for free, and I can well understand why he might be reluctant to re-write the code to support the new driver model. Perhaps the libraries he uses haven't been upgraded, or it's just a ton of work. He's probably wise to put his emphasis on software that brings him a return. I just bought an external soundcard, which works fine in Winders 7. A small price to pay, to prevent the russian or chinese hackers from getting my credit card data (I do shop online).

As one of the many beneficiaries of VE3NEA's largesse, I can only say "Thanks a million" for supporting us with free software, and if he never gets around to writing for the new driver models, it won't diminish my gratitude to him one iota. I hope he does, but his status as "benefactor" is secured, in my book.


#38231 From: "huygens_cobb" <huygens_cobb@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:48 pm
Subject: Re: powering softrock with USB
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Thank's Alan

Are 74ac74  and fst3253 work's at that voltage?

Will look at data sheets but I doubt about 74ac74 .....?

Regards
Huys

--- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" <alan4alan@...> wrote:
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "huygens_cobb"
> Subject: [softrock40] powering softrock with USB
>
>
> > Hai...
> >
> > There's softrock40 with USB power.
> > Seems that OK with other softrock.Like v6.2 or lite II.
> >
> > Is that must needed with special circuit? or just 1 resistor ~0 ohm from
> > USB to 5VDC section?
> >
>
> This was discontinued long ago.
> You may be lucky but I tried it and found too much noise on the USB line.
> I used a low-dropout regulator and ran the Softrock 6.2Lite from about 4V3.
> This seemed to work well, indeed the Softrock still worked with 2V5.Tony
> suggested trying simple transistor smoothing, but I have not tried that.
>
> 73 Alan G4ZFQ
>

#38230 From: "Marciniak, Ed" <emarciniak@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:27 pm
Subject: Re: Si570 frequency limits
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I doubt the cut points were intentionally just short of the ham band. The grading probably has to do with the upper and lower tuning limits on the 5ghz vco and/or partial defects in the dividers. It would be a way of maximizing yield by selling everyone parts that will meet their needs.
It could be supply problems related to C grade parts are a result of an increasing percentage of parts meeting A or B grade.

The point in enabling a range around 303-346 is that it covers 2X a 155mhz atm/sonet clock. For clock recovery on a bit stream some circuits require a clock at 2x or 4x data rate.

Does anyone know if they work around 606-692 mhz range? 1200 mhz range?

(Snip)
> A quick check on a later "C" LVDS shows it to stop at 269.42MHz and work> between 303.12 and 346.32MHz.> I seem to remember that I worked out that the on/off points related to> switch points in the chip showing various ranges had been disabled> internally.


From: softrock40@yahoogroups.com <softrock40@yahoogroups.com>
To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com <softrock40@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed Nov 25 03:33:12 2009
Subject: Re: [softrock40] Si570 frequency limits

 

Alan wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave - WB6DHW"
> Subject: [softrock40] Si570 frequency limits
>
>
>
>> Anyone know if the 280 MHz limit for the C grade LVDS and LVPECL
>> devices is a hard limit or if it might be a little higher. I ask
>>
>
> I investigated this some time ago, Robby's or the group search does not find
> the thread.
>
> A quick check on a later "C" LVDS shows it to stop at 269.42MHz and work
> between 303.12 and 346.32MHz.
> I seem to remember that I worked out that the on/off points related to
> switch points in the chip showing various ranges had been disabled
> internally.
> Anyone having early LVDS is sitting on a fortune, I have 6 "C" grades which
> seem to cover the whole range.
>
> 73 Alan G4ZFQ
>
>
>
>
That would allow monitoring of the VHF High public service band, but
not 2 meters with a C grade device on my UHFSDR.!

Dave - WB6DHW
<http://wb6dhw.com>


#38229 From: Bruce Tanner <bet110@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:36 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Rocky 3.6 in Vista
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Well, Brian, you have composed a 'keeper'! Thanks for the review of
Windows 7. It sounds as comprehensive as one might be able to construct
at this point in the release and I am happy to hear of the benefits you
outline.

On 'Rocky': The author, Alex, made a pretty firm statement nearly two
years ago that 'Rocky' would, "never be ported to Vista." So I think
that is that. He gave no particular reason but has reiterated the
comment a couple of times to my knowledge. I have no idea if he might
consider the possibilities with Windows 7 but at this point in time with
so many open source, voluntary software offerings, I suspect he may have
to consider a whole new application if he were to put time into a
revision. Perhaps there is enough such software in the wings already.

In any case I am in agreement with your complements for Alex's work and
free offerings to the SDR community. He has created a very nice ensemble
of amateur applications over the years. I have personally benefited from
most of them.

Again thanks for the Win 7 critique...

Bruce, K2BET
------------------
Brian wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>, Mr Doug - <dsc3507@...> wrote:
> >
> > OK thanks, Well I realize t is a challenge and gift that these
> >authors write this stuff but I think they often assume that everyone
> >is running winXp. We are now two version of windows beyond that.
>
> This is a big deal every 5-7 years for me. I run a medium sized IT
> department, and upgrading operating systems is a lot of work. The
> question is always - when? We skipped the first release of Vista, but
> began limited rollouts when SP1 was released. Once they got over the
> first few days of confusion about changes, most users really liked
> Vista. We've fully tested Windows 7 now, and it is now our standard OS
> for all new machines.
>
> Over the next 2 years, we'll be aggressively trying to rid ourselves
> of XP. Yes, XP works fine, and new OS's don't provide significant
> performance or user enhancements. But - the driver models in XP, and
> the complete lack of priviledge escalation controls, make XP nearly
> untenable for us now. Despite running multiple virus and spyware
> scanners, and operating the latest Ironport malware intercept proxies,
> we still end up rebuilding several machines a week from virus
> infections, and XP is so vulnerable to them, it's just impossible to
> prevent contamination now. We have yet to rebuild a Vista machine as a
> result of virus or trojan problems. The VAC controls and driver
> signing in Vista make it a lot harder for a trojan to take hold in
> Vista or 7.
>
> Over the past few years, I have seen precious few home machines
> running XP that weren't compromised. There are so many vectors to get
> into the machines now, it's impossible to block them all, and the
> scanning software lost the race to keep up years ago. A huge
> percentage of identity theft cases can now be traced directly to
> Windows XP.
>
> With respect to Rocky, the author gives it away for free, and I can
> well understand why he might be reluctant to re-write the code to
> support the new driver model. Perhaps the libraries he uses haven't
> been upgraded, or it's just a ton of work. He's probably wise to put
> his emphasis on software that brings him a return. I just bought an
> external soundcard, which works fine in Winders 7. A small price to
> pay, to prevent the russian or chinese hackers from getting my credit
> card data (I do shop online).
>
> As one of the many beneficiaries of VE3NEA's largesse, I can only say
> "Thanks a million" for supporting us with free software, and if he
> never gets around to writing for the new driver models, it won't
> diminish my gratitude to him one iota. I hope he does, but his status
> as "benefactor" is secured, in my book.
>
>
>
>
> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
> signature database 4635 (20091125) __________
>
> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.
>
> http://www.eset.com

#38228 From: "Marciniak, Ed" <emarciniak@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:16 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Rocky 3.6 in Vista
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What seperates a developer from signed or unsigned code is a certificate that costs around $200 a year.

Of course, once an app is signed if the developer quits updating the app, the old version will still continue to run and install fine.

Are there specific pieces of software people would like to approach a developer about getting signed?


From: softrock40@yahoogroups.com <softrock40@yahoogroups.com>
To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com <softrock40@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed Nov 25 06:57:33 2009
Subject: [softrock40] Re: Rocky 3.6 in Vista

 



--- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, Mr Doug - <dsc3507@...> wrote:
>
> OK thanks, Well I realize t is a challenge and gift that these >authors write this stuff but I think they often assume that everyone >is running winXp. We are now two version of windows beyond that.

This is a big deal every 5-7 years for me. I run a medium sized IT department, and upgrading operating systems is a lot of work. The question is always - when? We skipped the first release of Vista, but began limited rollouts when SP1 was released. Once they got over the first few days of confusion about changes, most users really liked Vista. We've fully tested Windows 7 now, and it is now our standard OS for all new machines.

Over the next 2 years, we'll be aggressively trying to rid ourselves of XP. Yes, XP works fine, and new OS's don't provide significant performance or user enhancements. But - the driver models in XP, and the complete lack of priviledge escalation controls, make XP nearly untenable for us now. Despite running multiple virus and spyware scanners, and operating the latest Ironport malware intercept proxies, we still end up rebuilding several machines a week from virus infections, and XP is so vulnerable to them, it's just impossible to prevent contamination now. We have yet to rebuild a Vista machine as a result of virus or trojan problems. The VAC controls and driver signing in Vista make it a lot harder for a trojan to take hold in Vista or 7.

Over the past few years, I have seen precious few home machines running XP that weren't compromised. There are so many vectors to get into the machines now, it's impossible to block them all, and the scanning software lost the race to keep up years ago. A huge percentage of identity theft cases can now be traced directly to Windows XP.

With respect to Rocky, the author gives it away for free, and I can well understand why he might be reluctant to re-write the code to support the new driver model. Perhaps the libraries he uses haven't been upgraded, or it's just a ton of work. He's probably wise to put his emphasis on software that brings him a return. I just bought an external soundcard, which works fine in Winders 7. A small price to pay, to prevent the russian or chinese hackers from getting my credit card data (I do shop online).

As one of the many beneficiaries of VE3NEA's largesse, I can only say "Thanks a million" for supporting us with free software, and if he never gets around to writing for the new driver models, it won't diminish my gratitude to him one iota. I hope he does, but his status as "benefactor" is secured, in my book.


#38227 From: "alexle188" <lee188@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:23 pm
Subject: Solved! was Re: SDR-Shell now works for the USB Softrock Receivers using usbsoftrock....
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Hi Sid, Glenn, Rob et al,

Finally SDR-Shell works with usbsoftrock -d -a !!!! :-)


Sid's "arrow" trick did it !!!

Thanks for all the tips.  I needed -n3 -s with jackd to reduce the xrun so that
the audio does not break.  (Found out from some jackd documentation that
recommends -n3 for USB audio.  I'm using my USB sound card - SoundBlaster Life!
24-bit external USB.)

After setting the "initial" freq in the CFG box, I can tune up and down with the
left and right arrow keys.

The offset of frequency displayed in SDR-Shell is 12 khz from the "center"
frequency of the Si570.  (I know exactly what the center frequency, ie the Si570
frequency divided by 4, which is clocking the QSD stage in the SR v6.3 RxTx, as
I am using the Mobo v4.3 with the LCD display.)

So this is like the constant IF method of tuning, which is fine with me.

Thanks to all for your tips, and to Rob for writing the SDR-Shell branch!

73's

Alex

#38226 From: Sid Boyce <sboyce@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:46 pm
Subject: Re: Si570 frequency limits
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On 25/11/09 05:10, Mr Doug - wrote:
>
>
> OK. Their site is very confusing for samples. You select the parameters,
> put in your info, then click on Get Samples. It then tells you that you
> have to "check out" to complete you r order. There is no place on the
> site to "check out"!!!  I entered the same thing twice just to see if I
> did something wrong. Anyone else see this?
>
> Doug
>
I can't quite remember the details, but I ended up at a screen that said:-

     * Thank you for your interest in Silicon Labs' XO & VCXO products!
     * Requested part number 570AAA000107DG has been added to your order.
     * Your order is being processed and you will receive a confirmation
email upon checkout.
     * Your parts are expected to ship within two weeks.
     * To assist you with your request, please click here to locate your
local Silicon Labs sales representative.
I haven't received the confirmation email, but I have details of their
distributors in Germany, so I shall fire an email off to them pronto.
73 ... Sid.


> --- On *Tue, 11/24/09, Dave - WB6DHW /<brainerd@...>/* wrote:
>
>
>     From: Dave - WB6DHW <brainerd@...>
>     Subject: Re: [softrock40] Si570 frequency limits
>     To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
>     Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 10:58 PM
>
>
>
>     Output format should be LVPECL, although LVDS will work with the
>     different resisters specified on the schematic.
>     10-810 is a B grade that will limit you to 405 MHz. You should get the
>     10-945,970-1134, 1213-1417. 5 frequency range if you want to operate
>     above
>     405 MHz.
>     Startup frequency is up to you. I chose 19.982 because with
>     PowerSDR-IQ( which has a offset of 9 KHz) gives me WWV at 10 MHz.
>
>     Dave - WB6DHW
>     <http://wb6dhw. com <http://wb6dhw.com>>
>
>
>


--
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Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
Specialist, Cricket Coach
Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks

#38225 From: "Brian" <brian.davis@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:57 pm
Subject: Re: Rocky 3.6 in Vista
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--- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, Mr Doug - <dsc3507@...> wrote:
>
> OK thanks, Well I realize t is a challenge and gift that these >authors write
this stuff but I think they often assume that everyone >is running winXp. We are
now two version of windows beyond that.

This is a big deal every 5-7 years for me.  I run a medium sized IT department,
and upgrading operating systems is a lot of work.  The question is always -
when?  We skipped the first release of Vista, but began limited rollouts when
SP1 was released.  Once they got over the first few days of confusion about
changes, most users really liked Vista.  We've fully tested Windows 7 now, and
it is now our standard OS for all new machines.

Over the next 2 years, we'll be aggressively trying to rid ourselves of XP. 
Yes, XP works fine, and new OS's don't provide significant performance or user
enhancements.  But - the driver models in XP, and the complete lack of
priviledge escalation controls, make XP nearly untenable for us now.  Despite
running multiple virus and spyware scanners, and operating the latest Ironport
malware intercept proxies, we still end up rebuilding several machines a week
from virus infections, and XP is so vulnerable to them, it's just impossible to
prevent contamination now.  We have yet to rebuild a Vista machine as a result
of virus or trojan problems.  The VAC controls and driver signing in Vista make
it a lot harder for a trojan to take hold in Vista or 7.

Over the past few years, I have seen precious few home machines running XP that
weren't compromised.  There are so many vectors to get into the machines now,
it's impossible to block them all, and the scanning software lost the race to
keep up years ago.  A huge percentage of identity theft cases can now be traced
directly to Windows XP.

With respect to Rocky, the author gives it away for free, and I can well
understand why he might be reluctant to re-write the code to support the new
driver model.  Perhaps the libraries he uses haven't been upgraded, or it's just
a ton of work.  He's probably wise to put his emphasis on software that brings
him a return.  I just bought an external soundcard, which works fine in Winders
7.  A small price to pay, to prevent the russian or chinese hackers from getting
my credit card data (I do shop online).

As one of the many beneficiaries of VE3NEA's largesse, I can only say "Thanks a
million" for supporting us with free software, and if he never gets around to
writing for the new driver models, it won't diminish my gratitude to him one
iota.  I hope he does, but his status as "benefactor" is secured, in my book.

#38224 From: Dave - WB6DHW <brainerd@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:33 am
Subject: Re: Si570 frequency limits
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Alan wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave - WB6DHW"
> Subject: [softrock40] Si570 frequency limits
>
>
>
>>  Anyone know if the 280 MHz limit for the C grade LVDS and LVPECL
>> devices is a hard limit or if it might be a little higher.  I ask
>>
>
> I investigated this some time ago, Robby's or the group search does not find
> the thread.
>
> A quick check on a later "C" LVDS shows it to stop at 269.42MHz and work
> between 303.12 and 346.32MHz.
> I seem to remember that I worked out that the on/off points related to
> switch points in the chip showing various ranges had been disabled
> internally.
> Anyone having early LVDS is sitting on a fortune, I have 6 "C" grades which
> seem to cover the whole range.
>
> 73 Alan G4ZFQ
>
>
>
>
   That would allow monitoring of the VHF High public service band, but
not 2 meters with a C grade device on my UHFSDR.!

Dave - WB6DHW
<http://wb6dhw.com>

#38223 From: Dave - WB6DHW <brainerd@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:31 am
Subject: Re: Si570 frequency limits
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Alan wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave - WB6DHW"
> Subject: [softrock40] Si570 frequency limits
>
>
>
>>  Anyone know if the 280 MHz limit for the C grade LVDS and LVPECL
>> devices is a hard limit or if it might be a little higher.  I ask
>>
>
> I investigated this some time ago, Robby's or the group search does not find
> the thread.
>
> A quick check on a later "C" LVDS shows it to stop at 269.42MHz and work
> between 303.12 and 346.32MHz.
> I seem to remember that I worked out that the on/off points related to
> switch points in the chip showing various ranges had been disabled
> internally.
> Anyone having early LVDS is sitting on a fortune, I have 6 "C" grades which
> seem to cover the whole range.
>
> 73 Alan G4ZFQ
>
>
>
>
   Almost like they deliberately blocked 2X 144-148!  I would assume the
LVPECL would be the same as the only difference is the output interface.

Dave - WB6DHW
<http://wb6dhw.com>

#38222 From: "Alan" <alan4alan@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:10 am
Subject: Re: Si570 frequency limits
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave - WB6DHW"
Subject: [softrock40] Si570 frequency limits


>  Anyone know if the 280 MHz limit for the C grade LVDS and LVPECL
> devices is a hard limit or if it might be a little higher.  I ask

I investigated this some time ago, Robby's or the group search does not find
the thread.

A quick check on a later "C" LVDS shows it to stop at 269.42MHz and work
between 303.12 and 346.32MHz.
I seem to remember that I worked out that the on/off points related to
switch points in the chip showing various ranges had been disabled
internally.
Anyone having early LVDS is sitting on a fortune, I have 6 "C" grades which
seem to cover the whole range.

73 Alan G4ZFQ

#38221 From: "trinitywilsoncats" <trinitywilsoncats@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 7:48 am
Subject: The Great Snapple Giveaway!
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A friend just sent me a link to a NEW giveaway offer, so I am sharing it with
the group!

The Great Snapple Giveaway!

Grab some complimentary samples of this lovely beverage

This offer is only available to USA residents

Click the link below to view this great freebie offer!

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