An X class solar flare that was released Wednesday could bring the
Northern Lights better known as Aurora Borealis to Southern California,
the storm could produce power failures and radio communication outages.
Full story below...

                Thursday, July 13, 2000

                 The Associated Press

                 WASHINGTON -- A strong solar flare early
                 Wednesday morning caused some radio blackouts on
                 parts of the Earth facing the sun and more are
                 possible as the active solar region rotates toward the
                 center of the sun, NASA announced.

                 The space agency said on its science Web site that
                 the Solar and Heliographic Observatory (SOHO)
                 satellite recorded a massive solar flare, called an
                 X-class flare, about 6:37 a.m. Wednesday.

                 Streams of electromagnetic energy erupting from the
                 flare disrupted some radio communications, the
                 announcement said.

                 SOHO, a joint project of NASA and the European
                 Space Agency, also detected two coronal mass
                 ejections, huge clouds of electrified gas, erupting
                 from the sun Monday and Tuesday.

                 The National Oceanographic and Atmospheric
                 Administration, which predicts the effects of solar
                 eruptions, said there was a 40 percent chance that
                 the mass ejection would trigger a disruption of the
                 Earth's magnetic field by Friday. This could create
                 aurora lights reaching into the mid-latitudes, which
                 would include the southern U.S. Aurora lights are
                 common in the far northern and southern latitudes.

                 The coronal mass ejection sent a bubble of plasma,
                 or electrified gas, toward the Earth at more than 2
                 million mph. The first shock wave of the fast-moving
                 mass was expected to smash into the Earth's
                 magnetosphere, the magnetic field that surrounds the
                 planet, today. Material from a second, more powerful
                 ejection is expected on Friday.

                 The aurora, or northern and southern lights, are a
                 shimmering glow in the sky caused when energetic
                 particles from the sun strike atoms of gas in the
                 upper atmosphere of the Earth. The Earth's magnetic
                 field protects the planet from these solar particles,
                 but the field dips low over the poles. For this reason,
                 the aurora is most commonly seen at high northern
                 and southern latitudes. Unusually powerful solar
                 bursts can produce the blue and green lights in the
                 night sky closer to the equator.

                 Experts say that the aurora is best viewed around
                 midnight.

                 The corona mass ejection poses no health risk to
                 people on the ground, but such solar bursts have
                 been known to damage spacecraft and to disrupt
                 electrical power grids. Most utility systems and
                 satellites are now designed to resist such effects,
                 however.

                 The sun is now at the peak of its 11-year cycle of
                 intense activity.

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Looks like SCORE is going to conduct a live fire missile exercise in
Warning Area 291. FLETA HOT will probably be the primary air and
waterspace with additional areas within W-291 this seems to be an
extended range missile which will require the shutdown of Control
Area
1177. See second MSLX5 below.

SCI Exclusive-Use Area Schedule for 13-Jul-2000

Area        Start Date/Time Stop Date/Time  Altitude
SHOBA/LAND  12-JUL-00 21:00 13-JUL-00 05:00 SFC
MSLX5       13-JUL-00 06:30 13-JUL-00 11:00 0-60K
3803        13-JUL-00 07:00 13-JUL-00 20:00 FL-SFC
SHOBA       13-JUL-00 08:00 13-JUL-00 10:00 0-20K
U12T12      13-JUL-00 09:00 13-JUL-00 17:00 0-5K
MTR1        13-JUL-00 09:00 13-JUL-00 17:00 0-5K
MSLX5       13-JUL-00 11:00 13-JUL-00 17:00 0-60K
SHOBA/LAND  13-JUL-00 21:00 14-JUL-00 05:00 SFC


Below is NOTAM Text:

CARF NR. 732 ON MISSELEX MM ONE STATIONARY RESERVATION WITHIN AN AREA
BNDD BY 3308N 11852W 3304N 11841W
3212N 11941W 3150N 11941W 3132N 11958W 3141N 12015W 3211N 12015W. SFC
FL600 13 JUL 18:30 UNTIL 13 JUL
23:30

THE FOLLOWING RESTRICTIONS ARE REQUIRED DUE TO STATIONARY ALTRV
MISSELEX MM ONE COVERED BY KZLA
INTERNATIONAL NOTAM A0207/00 AND A0208/00. EASTBOUND AIRCRAFT FROM
HAWAII AND THE SOUTH PACIFIC TO
CONUS SHOULD FILE THE FOLLOWING ROUTES: R577-AIRCRAFT ESTIMATING
EDSEL
BETWEEN 07121730Z-07122330Z AND
07131730Z-07132330Z SHOULD FILE R577 EDTOO DINTY C1176 RZS. AIRCRAFT
ESTIMATING FOOTS, WEDES, LENNA,
TONYS, OR HILCO BETWEEN 07121730Z-07122330Z AND 07131730Z-07132330Z
SHOULD FILE THOSE RESPECTIVE FIXES
DIRECT EDTOO DINTY C1176 RZS. WESTBOUND AIRCRAFT SHOULD FILE THE
FOLLOWING ROUTES. WESTBOUND AIRCRAFT
FROM CONUS TO HAWAII AND THE SOUTH PACIFIC ESTIMATING SANTA CATALINA
(SXC) C1177 BETWEEN
07121730Z-07122330Z AND 07131730Z-07132330Z SHOULD FILE LAX RZS C1176
DINTY, THEN R576 TO HAWAII OR DIRECT EDTOO DIRECT THE RESPECTIVE
FIXES
OF FOOTS, WEDES, LENNA, TONYS, OR HILCO. AIRCRAFT ESTIMATING MZB
BETWEEN 07121730Z-07122330Z AND 07131730Z-07132330Z SHOULD FILE MZB
J1
LAX RZS C1176 DINTY, THEN R576 TO HAWAII OR DIRECT EDTOO DIRECT THE
RESPECTIVE FIXES OF FOOTS, WEDES, LENNA, TONYS, OR HILCO FOR SOUTH
PACIFIC ROUTES. NO OTHER ROUTES IN THE COMPOSITE ROUTE SYSTEM ARE
AFFECTED. THESE FLOW RESTRICTIONS ARE CALCULTED FOR TURBOJET
AIRCRAFT.
SLOWER AIRCRAFT MAY CALL PHONE NUMBER LISTED BELOW IF ASSISTANCE IS
NEEDED TO PLAN AROUND THE NOTAMED AREA. QUESTIONS SHOULD BE DIRECTED
TO THE ZLA MOS AT 661 265-8287 OR THE AREA SUPERVISOR AT 661
265-8231.
12 JUL 17:30 UNTIL 13 JUL 23:30 SEE TEXT

RELEASE 00-065
July 8, 2000

                           MEDIA ADVISORY

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

TRAINING NOISES

CAMP PENDLETON, CALIF – Area residents may hear loud explosions
or
feel rumbling next week. Monday through Friday, the 1st and 5th
Battalions of the 11th Marine Regiment will be firing 155 mm rounds
each day from 6 a.m. until midnight.The training exercises will take
place in an impact area located near the north end of the base.
Depending on atmospheric conditions, the sound of explosions may be
amplified and heard up to 50 miles away. The training is routine and
part of scheduled exercises.

Tower: 120.750, 255.900, 236.600
Ground: 121.800, 289.400
Clearance Delivery: 127.550, 335.800
ATIS: 116.400, 384.900
PTD: 376.000
Command Post (DISCARD): 141.900, 349.400
Conract Carriers: 130.650
Meteorology: 375.200
Aero Club: 123.300


john pilger wrote:

> I will be spending increasing time in the Fairfield area and was
> wondering if anyone has any ground or air freqs for Travis. Thanks
> for any input.
>
> John  KD6IDY
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I will be spending increasing time in the Fairfield area and was
wondering if anyone has any ground or air freqs for Travis. Thanks
for any input.

John  KD6IDY

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====================================================

No. 393-00
(703)697-5131(media)
IMMEDIATE RELEASE
July 8, 2000
(703)697-5737(public/industry)
UPDATE ON NATIONAL MISSILE DEFENSE INTERCEPT TEST
The Ballistic Missile Defense Organization's (BMDO) National Missile
Defense (NMD) Joint Program Office announced today that preliminary
analysis from the planned intercept of a ballistic missile target early
this morning over the central Pacific Ocean concluded that no separation
occurred between the Payload Launch Vehicle (PLV) booster rocket, and
the Exoatmospheric Kill Vehicle (EKV).  Reports from program officials
indicate that while the first and second stages of the booster separated
successfully, the PLV started to tumble slowly after it made an energy
management maneuver designed to keep it safely within the confines of
the missile test range.  The second anomaly was that the EKV never
received a message from the PLV indicating that the second stage rocket
motor had completed its propellant burn.  Receipt of this signal is
required for the EKV to separate and perform its intercept function.
Initial cooldown of the EKV's infrared sensors and all other functions
of the!
!
  EKV were performing as designed up to the point where separation was to
occur.
All other elements, including the sensors, the in-flight interceptor
communications system (IFICS) and the battle management, command and
control and communication systems performed as expected.  Preliminary
indications are that the prototype X-band radar at Kwajalein Atoll
performed well and discriminated the mock warhead from all other
objects, including the debris from an improperly inflated decoy balloon.

Government and industry program officials will conduct a thorough review
of the test data to determine the reason for the anomalies and any other
test objectives that were or were not met.  It will be at least several
days until this review is completed.
The flight test began with the launch of a modified Minuteman
intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) with a target warhead from
Vandenberg AFB, Calif., at 12:19 a.m. EDT, and the PLV with the EKV on
board was launched approximately 20 minutes later about 4,300 miles away
from Kwajalein Atoll in the Republic of the Marshall Islands.
Additional information about the overall NMD program can be obtained by
accessing the BMDO website at
http://www.acq.osd.mil/bmdo/bmdolink/html/bmdolink.html
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No. 392-00
(703) 695-0192(media)
IMMEDIATE RELEASE
July 8, 2000
(703) 697-5737(public/industry)
NATIONAL MISSILE DEFENSE CONDUCTS INTERCEPT TEST
The Ballistic Missile Defense Organization's (BMDO) National Missile
Defense (NMD) Joint Program Office announced today it performed a test
today involving a planned intercept of a ballistic missile target over
the central Pacific Ocean.  An intercept was not achieved due to an
apparent failure of the interceptor's kill vehicle to separate from the
interceptor's second stage rocket motor.
A modified Minuteman intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) with a
target warhead was launched from Vandenberg AFB, Calif., at 12:19 a.m.
EDT and a prototype interceptor was launched approximately 20 minutes
later about 4,300 miles away from Kwajalein Atoll in the Republic of the
Marshall Islands.
Government and industry program officials will conduct a review of the
test results to determine the reason for not achieving an intercept and
any other test objectives that were or were not met.  It is likely to be
at least several days until a preliminary review is completed.
Point of contact is Air Force Lt. Col Rick Lehner, BMDO External
Affairs, at (703) 695-8743 Ext. 6123.  Additional information can be
obtained by accessing the BMDO website at <a
href="http://www.acq.osd.mil/bmdo/bmdolink/html/bmdolink.html">http://www.acq.os\
d.mil/bmdo/bmdolink/html/bmdolink.html</a>.

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We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Minuteman II Launch-Vandenberg AFB

Date: Friday, July 7, 2000
Time: 7:00PM - 11:00PM PDT (GMT-07:00)

Launch is at 7:01pm with a 4 hour window ending at 11:01pm. Look
in the direction of Santa Barbara, Minuteman II's are not very
bright from inland areas but they are visible. Launch Net will
be held on the CONDOR 220MHz system and 147.000 Santa Barbara
repeater.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Minuteman II Launch-Vandenberg AFB

Date: Friday, July 7, 2000
Time: 7:00PM - 11:00PM PDT (GMT-07:00)

Launch is at 7:01pm with a 4 hour window ending at 11:01pm. Look
in the direction of Santa Barbara, Minuteman II's are not very
bright from inland areas but they are visible. Launch Net will
be held on the CONDOR 220MHz system and 147.000 Santa Barbara
repeater.

No. 123-P
PRESS ADVISORY  July 6, 2000
The next intercept test of the National Missile Defense Program is
scheduled to take place between the hours of 10 p.m., EDT Friday, July 7
and 2 a.m. EDT, Saturday, July 8.
Lt. Gen. Ronald Kadish, director of the Ballistic Missile Defense
Organization, is scheduled to brief reporters approximately 60 minutes
after the target launch.  This will take place in the Pentagon Briefing
Room, 2E781.
A special phone line is being set up for this event at 703-697-5332, and
will be operational beginning the morning of July 7.  Once a briefing
time has been established, the special phone line will be immediately
updated to inform those media without a Pentagon Building Pass to meet
at either the River Entrance, the Metro Entrance or the South Parking
Entrance at a designated time in order to cover the scheduled briefing.
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No. 385-00
(757)225-2171(media)
IMMEDIATE RELEASE
July 6, 2000
(757)225-2171(public/industry)
JOINT WARRIOR INTEROPERABILITY DEMONSTRATION 2000 KICKS OFF
Military space capabilities will be featured during Joint Warrior
Interoperability Demonstration (JWID) 2000, beginning Monday, July 10,
and concluding Friday, July 28, 2000, at Peterson AFB, Colo.  JWID is an
annual, Joint Staff-sponsored demonstration during which government and
industry join forces to demonstrate new and emerging technologies that
will shape the battlefield of the future.
JWID is a warfighting demonstration run by a different military
organization every two years.  This year's event is being hosted by the
U. S. Space Command (USSPACECOM).  Demonstrations will be conducted at
selected locations around the world.  Cheyenne Mountain Operations
Center, near Colorado Springs, Colo., will be the key site for
USSPACECOM.
USSPACECOM will provide support to the other JWID 2000 warfighting
commands, which include U.S. Pacific Command, Camp Smith, Hawaii, and
U.S. Joint Forces Command, Norfolk, Va.  Numerous North Atlantic Treaty
Organization nations, Australia, and New Zealand will be running their
own demonstrations based on scenario inputs and will be conducting
command and control interoperability trials with the United States.
JWID is carried out in a two-year process that includes this year's
"Theme Year," and next year's "Exploitation Year."
In the Theme Year, technologies from the private sector will be assessed
in a military environment.  These demonstrations must meet established
technical criteria and fulfill goals defined by the sponsoring combatant
command and the Joint Staff.
JWID 2000 will demonstrate support to warfighters that integrates space
forces and space-derived information with air, land, and sea forces.
The demonstrations will also show global dominant battlespace awareness
in a combined/coalition task force setting, and the ability to unify,
integrate, and expedite intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance
support to the warfighter through a single interface.  Enhanced
information superiority technologies in a combined/coalition environment
will also be evaluated.
The demonstrations will help identify emerging technologies that hold
the most promise in addressing communications and information
interoperability issues facing the U.S. military and the nation's
allies.  Joint and coalition warriors will work with multiple
demonstrations and choose the "best of the best" for further assessment
and integrated evaluation in the Exploitation Year (2001).  Termed "Gold
Nuggets," selected systems that aid knowledge flow within the strategic,
operational, and tactical battlespace are targeted for immediate
integration into Defense Department systems.
"Today, space-based assets transmit a significant portion of the
information critical to military operations," said Air Force Gen. Ralph
E. Eberhart, commander-in-chief, USSPACECOM, host for JWID 2000.  "It's
clear this reliance on space will continue to grow.  Traditionally,
we've talked about space as a combat multiplier in a combat support
role, and that thinking was on target as we attempted to get all the
warfighters to think and integrate space. However, now space has become
much more basic and intrinsic than just a force multiplier. Space is a
prerequisite.  It's not a luxury anymore; it's a requirement for
conducting military operations. Space has proven itself vital to our
national interests."
Media interested in JWID 2000 should contact Air Force Maj. Perry Nouis,
USSPACECOM, at (719) 554-3525, or e-mail address <a
href="mailto:perry.nouis@...">perry.nouis@...</a>,
or Mike Brown, JWID public affairs officer, at (757) 225-2171, or e-mail
address  <a
href="mailto:michael.brown@...">michael.brown@...</a>.

More information on JWID can be found at website  <a
href="http://www.jwid.js.mil">http://www.jwid.js.mil</a>.
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Although based in other states this could bring activity to our Pacific
satellites mainly UFO-8, ive included a list in the SCMC files section
at egroups.com.

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An MP SRT team is doing training on the San Diego Federal Trunked System on
talkgroup 3728... Interesting listening :)

Mike
IPN-SAN005


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I'm glad you sent it.  Anyone that has any interest in the military should have
a keen interest in history.
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Roger Lister
   To: SoCalMilCom@egroups.com
   Sent: Monday, July 03, 2000 7:19 AM
   Subject: [SoCalMilCom] Re: Freedoms


     Usually, most folks halfway interested in military matters, whether
   communications or weapons or other military stuff, are just a bit
   patriotic.  I had hoped nobody would mind a bit of a history lesson.
   Thanks to the sacrifices of these men, we enjoy the freedoms we still
   have today.
     If I offended anyone, I apologize.  If whoever the moderator is
   would care to suspend me, I'll accept quietly...
     Only you can know if you joined the wrong list...

   Roger


   --- In SoCalMilCom@egroups.com, Ian Roberts <itr@n...> wrote:
   > I must have subscribed to the wrong list......
   >
   > Roger Lister wrote:
   > >
   > >   In light of this time of year, and the release of the movie "The
   > > Patriot", I've received this note from many of my friends, but
   > > will share it anyway...



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Rake 11 263.1>295.7 - Flt of 2 F-16's, from 144th Fighter Wing,Fresno
ANG Base, CA. Flew over Edison Field towards the SW then left break
towards San Bernardino. Asked SoCal APP/Dep for Flight following to
San Bernardino Stadium for another fly-by. Finally got em!

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Any word on Edison Field Fly By?  In Years past I've seen 16's and
once a B-2 (and he staged low to the NE over Yorba Linda I'm told by
locals). They have all eluded my scanner though. I suppose they would
need to contact SoCal App to make a pass even blw the Controlled  air
space. I'll be there searching 140's and 225-400 but I doubt that I'll
hear anything. Oh well, post if you hear anything.

Scott

Thus is true, and for more military history, current news, equipment
info and much more one can visit http://www.military.com

Roger Lister wrote:

>   Usually, most folks halfway interested in military matters, whether
> communications or weapons or other military stuff, are just a bit
> patriotic.  I had hoped nobody would mind a bit of a history lesson.
> Thanks to the sacrifices of these men, we enjoy the freedoms we still
> have today.
>   If I offended anyone, I apologize.  If whoever the moderator is
> would care to suspend me, I'll accept quietly...
>   Only you can know if you joined the wrong list...
>
> Roger
>
>
> --- In SoCalMilCom@egroups.com, Ian Roberts <itr@n...> wrote:
> > I must have subscribed to the wrong list......
> >
> > Roger Lister wrote:
> > >
> > >   In light of this time of year, and the release of the movie "The
>
> > > Patriot", I've received this note from many of my friends, but
> > > will share it anyway...
>
>
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Ahh, Ian, I apologize.  No, I didn't see you were not in the US.  I
get this group web based only, and in the interest of anti spamming
they don't let us see the whole email address.
   Believe it or not, I do have a sense of humor...it just didn't show
at this time...
   I realized the invitation was out there, but didn't realize someone
from so far outside the Southern California area would be on here.
   I'd also like to apologize again to anyone I might have offended.
During the past week I had had a number of things trip me off (which
insulted the men that died at Pearl Harbor...) and I was a bit too
quick with the keyboard...

--- In SoCalMilCom@egroups.com, Ian Roberts <itr@n...> wrote:
> Roger, you have not offended me in the least, the statement I
offered was intended to be partially humerous...
> You may be aware from my address, that I am not a US citizen, and
you should be aware that, despite the title of this group,
invitations to join were sent out to a wide field of possible
respondents with diverse interests, so the passage you sent through
is of passing interest at best.
> Patriotism has little to do with military matters, and everything
to do with a balanced individual's appraisal of a particular
country's genuine requirements from an individual.

   Again thinking you were here in the US.  Interest in military
matters does indeed extend beyond ones own borders.

> For a moment I thought that you were objecting to the spreading of
US miltary frequencies over the Internet....(how about it Roger, as a
patriot?).

   As more and more systems switch to encryption and spread spectrum
technologies, we will begin to be able to monitor less and less.
Perfect example is Police monitoring.  While commercial
communications technology progressed, monitoring equipment for
hobbyists has stayed pretty much the same.  Trunk tracking technology
for scanners is an improvement.  My philosophy on monitoring radio
communications, I don't have a say what waves pass through my body,
but I should be able to listen to them...

> Someone here in South Africa, a real cynic, once told me that
"patriotism is the last resort of a scoundrel". Not wanting to appear
as a scoundrel, I am loathe to climb the patriatism bandwagon in a
hurry.

   Having met some folks from South Africa during my last stay in
Australia, they were some very nice people.  This was at a Barbecue
at their home, and I must say the hospitality was great.  Not to
mention the food (I know I'm spelling this wrong but I greatly
enjoyed the "Borsvorst" sausage...)

> To the US citizens, good luck with the special day tomorrow.
>
> Ian.

Thank you Ian...

Roger

Roger, you have not offended me in the least, the statement I offered
was intended to be partially humerous...
You may be aware from my address, that I am not a US citizen, and you
should be aware that, despite the title of this group, invitations to
join were sent out to a wide field of possible respondents with diverse
interests, so the passage you sent through is of passing interest at
best.
Patriotism has little to do with military matters, and everything to do
with a balanced individual's appraisal of a particular country's genuine
requirements from an individual.
For a moment I thought that you were objecting to the spreading of US
miltary frequencies over the Internet....(how about it Roger, as a
patriot?).

Someone here in South Africa, a real cynic, once told me that
"patriotism is the last resort of a scoundrel". Not wanting to appear as
a scoundrel, I am loathe to climb the patriatism bandwagon in a hurry.

To the US citizens, good luck with the special day tomorrow.

Ian.

Roger Lister wrote:
>
>   Usually, most folks halfway interested in military matters, whether
> communications or weapons or other military stuff, are just a bit
> patriotic.  I had hoped nobody would mind a bit of a history lesson.
> Thanks to the sacrifices of these men, we enjoy the freedoms we still
> have today.
>   If I offended anyone, I apologize.  If whoever the moderator is
> would care to suspend me, I'll accept quietly...
>   Only you can know if you joined the wrong list...
>
> Roger
>
> --- In SoCalMilCom@egroups.com, Ian Roberts <itr@n...> wrote:
> > I must have subscribed to the wrong list......
> >
> > Roger Lister wrote:
> > >
> > >   In light of this time of year, and the release of the movie "The
> > > Patriot", I've received this note from many of my friends, but
> > > will share it anyway...
>

Usually, most folks halfway interested in military matters, whether
communications or weapons or other military stuff, are just a bit
patriotic.  I had hoped nobody would mind a bit of a history lesson.
Thanks to the sacrifices of these men, we enjoy the freedoms we still
have today.
   If I offended anyone, I apologize.  If whoever the moderator is
would care to suspend me, I'll accept quietly...
   Only you can know if you joined the wrong list...

Roger


--- In SoCalMilCom@egroups.com, Ian Roberts <itr@n...> wrote:
> I must have subscribed to the wrong list......
>
> Roger Lister wrote:
> >
> >   In light of this time of year, and the release of the movie "The
> > Patriot", I've received this note from many of my friends, but
> > will share it anyway...

I must have subscribed to the wrong list......

Roger Lister wrote:
>
>   In light of this time of year, and the release of the movie "The
> Patriot", I've received this note from many of my friends, but will
> share it anyway...
>
> Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the
> Declaration of Independence?
>
> Five signers were captured by the British as traitors, and tortured
> before they died. Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned.
>
> Two lost their sons serving in the Revolutionary Army; another had
> two sons captured.
>
> Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the
> Revolutionary War.
>
> They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their
> sacred honor.
>
> What kind of men were they?
>
> Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists. Eleven were merchants, nine were
> farmers and large plantation owners; men of means, well educated. But
> they signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that
> the penalty would be death if they were captured.
>
> Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his
> ships swept from the seas by the British Navy. He sold his home and
> properties to pay his debts, and died in rags.
>
> Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to
> move his family almost constantly. He served in the Congress without
> pay, and his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken
> from him, and poverty was his reward.
>
> Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer,
> Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton.
>
> At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson, Jr., noted that the British
> General Cornwallis had taken over his home for their headquarters. He
> quietly urged General George Washington to open fire. His home was
> destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt.
>
> Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The enemy jailed
> his wife, and she died within a few months.
>
> John Hart was driven from his wife's bedside as she was dying. Their
> 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill were
> laid to waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves,
> returning home to find his wife dead and his children vanished. A few
> weeks later he died from exhaustion and a broken heart.
>
> Norris and Livingston suffered similar fates.
>
> Much were the stories and sacrifices of the American Revolution. These
> were not wild-eyed, rabble-rousing ruffians. They were soft-spoken
> men of means and education. They had security, but they valued
> liberty more. Standing tall, straight, and unwavering, they pledged:
> "For the support of this declaration, with firm reliance on the
> protection of the divine providence, we mutually pledge to each
> other, our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor."
>
> They gave you and me a free and independent America.
>
> The history books never told you a lot about what happened in the
> Revolutionary War. We didn't fight just the British. We were British
> subjects at that time and we fought our own government!  Some of us
> take these liberties so much for granted, but we shouldn't.
>
> So, take a few minutes while enjoying your 4th of July holiday and
> silently thank these patriots. It's not much to ask for the price
> they paid.
>
> Remember: freedom is never free!
>
>   Roger adds:  As a member of todays Armed Forces, I am shocked at
> how little of American history is taught in our schools today,
> instead they teach our children (in)tolerance of others, Chinese
> history, how to feel good about yourself while learning NOTHING of
> value.  I have and continue to teach my children the history of this
> great and wonderful country.  I just hope, it isn't too late...
>
>   Enjoy your Fourth of July.  I revel in mine...
>
> Roger
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Awhile ago I heard GHOST 600 on Mugu Ops 267.5 requesting WX for Flt of 4
E-2s inbound.

Checked the Stennis Web Site:

http://www.cvn74.navy.mil/statesman_on-line/pages/jcslocate.htm
July 2, 2000
  USS John C. Stennis is just off the coast of Southern California. Thanks to
the USO, the Tigers and the crew will enjoy a concert tonight before
tomorrow's homecoming. JCS will arrive pierside at Naval Air Station North
Island at 10 a.m. Congratulations to the crew and the families for a great
cruise.
Might be some more "fly offs" today so heads up

Chet

Do visit his site, he is the one that got me hooked on MilCom. His site
has lots of info pertaining to SoCal as well as other spots in the U.S.

milcom@... wrote:

> Will that site is being constructed, you can visit my SoCalMilAirCom
> site at:
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/wxtech/monitor/military/
>
> which has been in business for two years.
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Will that site is being constructed, you can visit my SoCalMilAirCom
site at:

http://home.pacbell.net/wxtech/monitor/military/

which has been in business for two years.

In light of this time of year, and the release of the movie "The
Patriot", I've received this note from many of my friends, but will
share it anyway...

Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the
Declaration of Independence?

Five signers were captured by the British as traitors, and tortured
before they died. Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned.

Two lost their sons serving in the Revolutionary Army; another had
two sons captured.

Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the
Revolutionary War.

They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their
sacred honor.

What kind of men were they?

Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists. Eleven were merchants, nine were
farmers and large plantation owners; men of means, well educated. But
they signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that
the penalty would be death if they were captured.

Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his
ships swept from the seas by the British Navy. He sold his home and
properties to pay his debts, and died in rags.

Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to
move his family almost constantly. He served in the Congress without
pay, and his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken
from him, and poverty was his reward.

Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer,
Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton.

At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson, Jr., noted that the British
General Cornwallis had taken over his home for their headquarters. He
quietly urged General George Washington to open fire. His home was
destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt.

Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The enemy jailed
his wife, and she died within a few months.

John Hart was driven from his wife's bedside as she was dying. Their
13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill were
laid to waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves,
returning home to find his wife dead and his children vanished. A few
weeks later he died from exhaustion and a broken heart.

Norris and Livingston suffered similar fates.

Much were the stories and sacrifices of the American Revolution. These
were not wild-eyed, rabble-rousing ruffians. They were soft-spoken
men of means and education. They had security, but they valued
liberty more. Standing tall, straight, and unwavering, they pledged:
"For the support of this declaration, with firm reliance on the
protection of the divine providence, we mutually pledge to each
other, our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor."

They gave you and me a free and independent America.

The history books never told you a lot about what happened in the
Revolutionary War. We didn't fight just the British. We were British
subjects at that time and we fought our own government!  Some of us
take these liberties so much for granted, but we shouldn't.

So, take a few minutes while enjoying your 4th of July holiday and
silently thank these patriots. It's not much to ask for the price
they paid.

Remember: freedom is never free!



   Roger adds:  As a member of todays Armed Forces, I am shocked at
how little of American history is taught in our schools today,
instead they teach our children (in)tolerance of others, Chinese
history, how to feel good about yourself while learning NOTHING of
value.  I have and continue to teach my children the history of this
great and wonderful country.  I just hope, it isn't too late...

   Enjoy your Fourth of July.  I revel in mine...

Roger

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