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I concur with Anker.  Yahoo groups lacks for our type of usage.
Google is simple (like a Mac) and Yahoo is difficult, convoluted and
tedious (like Windows).
I am using the "abridged" option which is slick, quick and doesn't
keep asking for passwords.  Groups has it's place but Google rocks.  I
use mine along with Google reader which gathers stuff from other
places at the same time.

Our club also uses Yahoo Groups for intra-club info, but for an open
forum like RCSE was, Google's the winner. Try it.  You'll like it.

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>
> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:02:31 -0400
> From: Anker Berg-Sonne <bostonsearover@...>
> To: Mark Miller <canardin@...>
> Cc: TJB <tom@...>, LJolly@...,
> james.deck@..., soaring@...
> Subject: Re: [RCSE] Migrating
> Message-ID: <48B55E77.7020608@...>
>
> I like Google Groups much better than Yahoo Groups. The web based
> interface to Yahoo Groups is terrible and the email distribution of
> the
> two is comparable.
>
> Anker
>
> Mark Miller wrote:
>> I like the Yahoo Groups scenario. MVSA uses it for our communication
>> and it works well. Like a mail list that you can wither read in web
>> view or have the mail pushed to your email client.
>>
>> RCSE was great because it was not a forum type list. Forums have
>> their
>> place but mail works best for what RCSE type communication in my
>> opinion. In forums stuff gets scattered all over and you have to
>> browse through the different subjects to find something. BLECH!
>>
>> Thanks to RCSE and Mike. Through it I found all you guys (for better
>> or worse) and it furthered my enjoyment of the hobby.
>>
>> Thanks Mike and MAN
>>
>> Mark Miller
>> Isthmus Models
>> div.Section1
>
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On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 09:49:21AM -0400, Ed Anderson wrote:

| All that I have read is that the synth modules use more power than the
| single channel modules.  Perhaps the Futaba Synth is different.   Any way,
| for the cost of one 2.4 GHz receiver, I can keep all my 72 MHz stuff flying
| on their current channel.  That is worth it for now.

I actually measured the power consumption a few years ago.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.models.rc.air/msg/5a0063936df977d3

In any event, I'll bet you could find the synthesized module pretty
cheap nowadays, as people are going 2.4 GHz.  A channel 40 module
would be even cheaper, but might be hard to find.

Try ebay, rcgroups if RCSE doesn't come through.

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Ed,

Its certainly true for XPS and Spectrum, and its the Spectrum I am
recommending, because the deal is so good.

What happens is that even though the 2.4GHZ transmits at greater power
than 72MHZ, they transmit in packets and between packets the transmitter
isn't sending any signal. The net effect is that the total power drain
goes down. I use both XPS and Spectrum and I can see it directly on how
long my transmitter batteries last.

Anker

Ed Anderson wrote:
> All that I have read is that the synth modules use more power than the
> single channel modules.  Perhaps the Futaba Synth is different.   Any way,
> for the cost of one 2.4 GHz receiver, I can keep all my 72 MHz stuff flying
> on their current channel.  That is worth it for now.
>
> Best regards,
> Ed Anderson
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anker Berg-Sonne" <bostonsearover@...>
> To: "Anker Berg-Sonne" <Anker@...>
> Cc: "Ed Anderson" <aeajr@...>; "Soaring Exchange"
> <soaring@...>; <rcse@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 9:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [RCSE] Looking for a Futaba Ch 40 module
>
>
>
>> Ed,
>>
>> I forgot to mention that the transmitter will use LES power with the
>> synth module and you won't see any difference with your receiver. Its
>> the servos that drain the receiver battery.
>>
>> Anker
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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I like Google Groups much better than Yahoo Groups. The web based
interface to Yahoo Groups is terrible and the email distribution of the
two is comparable.

Anker

Mark Miller wrote:
> I like the Yahoo Groups scenario. MVSA uses it for our communication
> and it works well. Like a mail list that you can wither read in web
> view or have the mail pushed to your email client.
>
> RCSE was great because it was not a forum type list. Forums have their
> place but mail works best for what RCSE type communication in my
> opinion. In forums stuff gets scattered all over and you have to
> browse through the different subjects to find something. BLECH!
>
> Thanks to RCSE and Mike. Through it I found all you guys (for better
> or worse) and it furthered my enjoyment of the hobby.
>
> Thanks Mike and MAN
>
> Mark Miller
> Isthmus Models
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: TJB <tom@...>
> To: LJolly@...; james.deck@...; soaring@...
> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 4:59:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [RCSE] Migrating
>
> *So far there seems to be 3 replacements posted.  We'll see which
> actually pans out.*
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* LJolly@... <mailto:LJolly@...>
>     *To:* james.deck@... <mailto:james.deck@...> ;
>     soaring@... <mailto:soaring@...>
>     *Sent:* Tuesday, August 26, 2008 11:15 AM
>     *Subject:* Re: [RCSE] Migrating
>
>     You mean Joe Wurts won't be able use his Gordy Soar handle any
>     more??????
>
>         Here's something to consider when "migrating" to a replacement
>         for RCSE.
>         One of the strengths of RCSE was that we all used our real
>         names, not
>         cutesy-poo nam de plumes.  Let's continue that practice in
>         what ever forum
>         we wind up in.
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Ed,

I forgot to mention that the transmitter will use LES power with the
synth module and you won't see any difference with your receiver. Its
the servos that drain the receiver battery.

Anker

Anker Berg-Sonne wrote:
> Ed,
>
> Forget about a 72MHZ module. Contact Horizon Hobbies or your local
> hooby shop and get a 2.4 GHZ transmitter module AND a 7000 full range
> receiver for just $110. I just installed this in one of my radios and
> my decond Supra fude and it works like a champ!
>
> Anker
>
> Ed Anderson wrote:
>> Most of my planes are on a Futaba 9C super on channel 40. Seems my Ch 40
>> module is getting a bit flakey.  Anyone got one cheap they want to
>> get rid
>> of?  If not, I will probably get the synth module to replace it, but I
>> prefer the single channel modules.  They use a lot less power.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Ed Anderson
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Soaring" <Soaring@...>
>> To: <Soaring@...>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 6:17 AM
>> Subject: Soaring V1 #11602
>>
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Mike -

Many many thanks to Airage and especially to you for doing this great
thing for so many years. I hope that whatever replaces it can do as
well.

Rob Glover


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All that I have read is that the synth modules use more power than the
single channel modules.  Perhaps the Futaba Synth is different.   Any way,
for the cost of one 2.4 GHz receiver, I can keep all my 72 MHz stuff flying
on their current channel.  That is worth it for now.

Best regards,
Ed Anderson
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From: "Anker Berg-Sonne" <bostonsearover@...>
To: "Anker Berg-Sonne" <Anker@...>
Cc: "Ed Anderson" <aeajr@...>; "Soaring Exchange"
<soaring@...>; <rcse@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] Looking for a Futaba Ch 40 module


> Ed,
>
> I forgot to mention that the transmitter will use LES power with the
> synth module and you won't see any difference with your receiver. Its
> the servos that drain the receiver battery.
>
> Anker
>


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This is a typical post from the good old days when RCSE was
young.  But like all of us, RCSE declined with age.   This is what
made RCSE so great.  Now all we get is what is the latest and
greatest moldy and who won the last contest.  Maybe it is time for
RCSE to depart.

This was the first of several posts Joe made about dynamic soaring.

Chuck Anderson

From: Joe  Wurts <103610.3507@...>
Date: 28 May 96 02:35:19 EDT
Subject: Dynamic Soaring
Status: RO

For quite a long time I've heard about "dynamic soaring", but have
almost never really used it in any operational sense while flying rc
gliders.  In fact, I've kind of filed it under the Holy Grail
category. Just one of those things that you read about.  But I've now
had  a bit of practical experience with it.

One of the slopes that I have been flying at has a very pronounced
"razor back" to it (Parker Mountain near Acton CA).  What is really
neat about it is that the air behind the hill is completely
separated. That is, it can be blowing 25 mph on the face, and behind
the hill, it is almost calm and sometimes even blowing softly in the
opposite direction.  It turns out that this is an absolutely perfect
set-up for dynamic soaring.  All you have to do is fly straight
down-wind over the hill into the calm air and turn around.  If you
want, when you  come back over the upwind face, turn around and
repeat.  With each turn, you get an amazing boost in the energy of
the glider.The first time I really played with this was with my
Floyd, and on the second go-around I fluttered the wings.  The plane
will take an extended vertical dive without any possibility of
flutter, so I was able to get it to above the terminal velocity of
the glider in horizontal flight!!!

One thing that is especially wild is when the wind dies down a bit,
and you can just stay up in the normal lift in minimum sink mode.
Start doing the orbiting for the dynamic soaring and you can get up
to about three times the speed that you can when you just fly in the
normal slope lift.  Wild stuff.  What really gets entertaining is
when you make a mistake behind the hill.  The air is a bit turbulent,
and occasionally I miss the air (read: smite the earth).  This is
where a good foamie comes in handy.  I woulda never really
investigated this phenomena without a crash-proof plane.

If your slope has separated air behind the hill, and you do not mind
occasionally crashing while you learn a new trick, give this a
try.  Caution, I'd recommend trying this maneuver out sometime when
you have the hill to yourself.  It takes a little getting used to...
And a hint, the lower you go on the downwind side, the better off you
are (more delta-vee typically).

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I have two 9C Supers.  One has a 2.4 GHz Spectrum module in it and 4
receivers.  This handles my slope planes primarily.  Over time I will
migrate all to this.

The other is on 72 MHz.  I use both.  I am not ready to replace the 12
receivers I have now on 72 MHz.  I have ch 35 and 55 modules also, but all
my planes are on 40, so for the cost of a channel module I can keep them
flying till I migrate all to 2.4 over the next couple of years.

Best regards,
Ed Anderson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anker Berg-Sonne" <Anker@...>
To: "Ed Anderson" <aeajr@...>
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Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] Looking for a Futaba Ch 40 module


> Ed,
>
> Forget about a 72MHZ module. Contact Horizon Hobbies or your local hooby
> shop and get a 2.4 GHZ transmitter module AND a 7000 full range receiver
> for just $110. I just installed this in one of my radios and my decond
> Supra fude and it works like a champ!
>
> Anker
>
> Ed Anderson wrote:
> > Most of my planes are on a Futaba 9C super on channel 40. Seems my Ch 40
> > module is getting a bit flakey.  Anyone got one cheap they want to get
rid
> > of?  If not, I will probably get the synth module to replace it, but I
> > prefer the single channel modules.  They use a lot less power.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Ed Anderson
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Soaring" <Soaring@...>
> > To: <Soaring@...>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 6:17 AM
> > Subject: Soaring V1 #11602
> >
> >
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Ed,

Forget about a 72MHZ module. Contact Horizon Hobbies or your local hooby
shop and get a 2.4 GHZ transmitter module AND a 7000 full range receiver
for just $110. I just installed this in one of my radios and my decond
Supra fude and it works like a champ!

Anker

Ed Anderson wrote:
> Most of my planes are on a Futaba 9C super on channel 40. Seems my Ch 40
> module is getting a bit flakey.  Anyone got one cheap they want to get rid
> of?  If not, I will probably get the synth module to replace it, but I
> prefer the single channel modules.  They use a lot less power.
>
> Best regards,
> Ed Anderson
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Soaring" <Soaring@...>
> To: <Soaring@...>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 6:17 AM
> Subject: Soaring V1 #11602
>
>
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Most of my planes are on a Futaba 9C super on channel 40. Seems my Ch 40
module is getting a bit flakey.  Anyone got one cheap they want to get rid
of?  If not, I will probably get the synth module to replace it, but I
prefer the single channel modules.  They use a lot less power.

Best regards,
Ed Anderson
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To: <Soaring@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 6:17 AM
Subject: Soaring V1 #11602



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I too have been a subscriber from the start.  The oldest post in my
Humor folder is from November, 1995 and I did not save earlier posts.

Early on, I realized that there was a lot of good information from
real experts so began saving the technical posts in separate
folders.  Some of the folders were for aerodynamics, electronics,
structures, flutter, humor, soaring history, launch equipment, and
one just for Joe Wurts posts.  The good technical stuff has vanished
from RCSE so it won't be the loss it could have been if RCSE had
disappeared 10 years ago.  I collected some of the best on
aerodynamics and structures into a word document for easy reference
and it turned out to be over a hundred pages.

RC Groups is a poor substitute for what RCSE has been but I suppose I
will have to do with what is available.

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From: GordySoar@... [mailto:GordySoar@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 12:32 AM
To: dennis@..., Soaring@...
Subject: [RCSE] New RCSE...I'm in!

In a message dated 8/26/2008 11:44:04 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dennis@... writes: I took it upon myself to create this Google Group to replace the soon to disappear RCSE. Please let me know if you have and further suggestions. I'm sure there will be bugs to workout.   The groups homepage is:   http://groups.google.com/group/rcse   The email address is rcse@googlegroups.com   Please tell your friends and get the word out.   Dennis Hoyle WMSS It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here.

Hey guys, with one of the last gasps of RCSE, want to remind everyone about the
Mid Am that is being held at the Kentucky Horse Park on September 6&7.  They are
flying seeded MOM, a first for BSS at the Mid Am, and we need to support their
efforts.  The KHP has lots of things going on every weekend and thisone is not
any different, there is a museum, horse show going on and other activities, so
Mom and kids do not have to watch sailplanes all day.

I know they have an RCGroup listing under events and you can go to
www.kentuckyhorsepark.com to see what is going on.

Marc
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My mail box for RCSE went from "Gordy for President" to " In memory of RCSE".

One thing I most remember are Chuck Anderson's stories of flying in
the past. While I have been inactive for several years, I still have
fond memories of many of the contributors to the exchange.

Best to everyone,

Tom Ernst
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----- Original Message -----

From: LJolly@...

To: james.deck@... ; soaring@...

Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 11:15 AM

Subject: Re: [RCSE] Migrating

You mean Joe Wurts won't be able use his Gordy Soar handle any more??????

Here's something to consider when "migrating" to a replacement for RCSE.
One of the strengths of RCSE was that we all used our real names, not
cutesy-poo nam de plumes.  Let's continue that practice in what ever forum
we wind up in.
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It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here.

Jim, I'm trying to remember when....  I might have to dig up my old MAN
Soaring Columns or ESL newsletters to see if I can find some kind of
date.  The oldest posts I have in my mail software are from 1996.  I
think it goes back at least to 1994.

Jim Deck wrote:
> I've been a participant of RCSE since its inception - just when did
> RCSE start, Mike?  The posts that meant the most to me were the
> messages of encouragement I received when, as I was physically unable,
> my wife posted news of my onset of Gullaine Barre Syndrome.  Those
> posts were a huge help to me at that time and during my lengthy
> recovery.  Before RCSE shuts down, I'd like to thank everyone one more
> time.
>        Jim Deck
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