Hi Chris,

I can still authorize and I will once I see his name pop up on the pending list.

Best regards,

Thomas

--- In smug_mm@yahoogroups.com, Chris Carr <cdcarr@...> wrote:
>
> new members now?
>
> The Apple expert at Best Buy would like to join the Yahoo Group with
> us. Do I just give him the email address?
>
> BTW, his name is Ed Bigus, and he works for Apple, not BB and is
> pretty knowledgeable.
>
> Chris
>

new members now?

The Apple expert at Best Buy would like to join the Yahoo Group with
us. Do I just give him the email address?

BTW, his name is Ed Bigus, and he works for Apple, not BB and is
pretty knowledgeable.

Chris

Matt, I've started writing this response two different times and I
keep changing it for one reason or another.
Anyway, the essence of what I am trying to say is: You get what you
pay for - especially with technology.
If your willing, I bet the bunch of us could figure out a way to
breath new life and a version of 10.5 into your
"experienced" MacBook for little more than the cost of a new battery
and a licensed copy of Leopard.
And it would be oh so much easier on the eyes than a miniature Net
book screen.

Rick Pruden
912.663.7773




On Sep 19, 2009, at 10:51 AM, James Sentman wrote:

>
> On Sep 19, 2009, at 10:37 AM, Blair Willis wrote:
>
> >>
> >> And I've just had rotten luck upgrading OS, so I'm very reluctant
> to
> >> try.
> >
> > I've not had OS upgrade issues since maybe the whole 8.6->9->X
> > scenario. Don't let a prior experience shy you away. This is a
> > Leopard supported machine and should be fine. Run a full hard drive
> > clone to an external, prior to upgrade, and you have a no-worries
> > backup ready to restore if necessary. (And you should have a backup
> > anyway!)
>
> Sounds like this machine needs a little TLC and not necessarily to be
> replaced. A new battery and a ram upgrade might cost you $200 total
> but it would give it a new lease on life. I would definitely try the
> upgrade to 10.5, it will run faster on that machine. Also the web
> stuff has taken off so fast that most of your stability and speed
> complaints might stem from trying to use an old browser on new sites.
> An update to 10.5 will help that so much! Memory is cheap now, if it
> doesn't have at least a gig upgrade, if you can afford 2 gig (probably
> only like $20 more expensive or so) then do that.
>
> If youre having trouble with stability in general and not related to
> any specific app then it may be time to do a fresh install. In going
> back through relatives machines to help sort them out in the past I've
> found Mac people are not afraid of downloading and installing tons of
> stuff ;) This isn't usually a problem but if you've got lots of extra
> control panels and kernel extensions for unused USB devices and hacks
> to change the look and feel of things those add up slowly to some
> stability problems that a clean install will fix. If youve got
> stability problems with specific apps then an update to the latest
> version of the app and the latest version of the OS is almost
> definitely going to cure them.
>
> When I hear that people are having stability problems or other issues
> on their Mac I always have to wonder just what they are doing to the
> poor thing! I work on this machine every day and have hundreds of apps
> I use daily including developing on the thing a lot of low level stuff
> and even some device drivers over the years and even with half
> finished software installed doing things to the system that no
> released app would ever dream of I just dont have those kinds of
> problems.
>
> One hardware problem that I have had though is bad ram. A faulty ram
> chip can work perfectly well when you startup and as things warm up
> start to make some apps crash. I've also had some that were fine until
> you had several apps open and the bad bits started to be actually
> used. I think that random memory issues are actually more of a cause
> of a machine being just randomly crashy than people are aware of. A
> memory upgrade that you probably need anyway will rule that out too.
>
> I'm sure that we can figure out why the thing is giving you trouble,
> it shouldn't so something is wrong.
>
> Thanks,
> James
>
> James Sentman http://sentman.com http://MacHomeAutomation.com
>
>
>



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On Sep 19, 2009, at 10:37 AM, Blair Willis wrote:

>>
>> And I've just had rotten luck upgrading OS, so I'm very reluctant to
>> try.
>
> I've not had OS upgrade issues since maybe the whole 8.6->9->X
> scenario.  Don't let a prior experience shy you away.  This is a
> Leopard supported machine and should be fine.  Run a full hard drive
> clone to an external, prior to upgrade, and you have a no-worries
> backup ready to restore if necessary.  (And you should have a backup
> anyway!)

Sounds like this machine needs a little TLC and not necessarily to be
replaced. A new battery and a ram upgrade might cost you $200 total
but it would give it a new lease on life. I would definitely try the
upgrade to 10.5, it will run faster on that machine. Also the web
stuff has taken off so fast that most of your stability and speed
complaints might stem from trying to use an old browser on new sites.
An update to 10.5 will help that so much! Memory is cheap now,  if it
doesn't have at least a gig upgrade, if you can afford 2 gig (probably
only like $20 more expensive or so) then do that.

If youre having trouble with stability in general and not related to
any specific app then it may be time to do a fresh install. In going
back through relatives machines to help sort them out in the past I've
found Mac people are not afraid of downloading and installing tons of
stuff ;) This isn't usually a problem but if you've got lots of extra
control panels and kernel extensions for unused USB devices and hacks
to change the look and feel of things those add up slowly to some
stability problems that a clean install will fix. If youve got
stability problems with specific apps then an update to the latest
version of the app and the latest version of the OS is almost
definitely going to cure them.

When I hear that people are having stability problems or other issues
on their Mac I always have to wonder just what they are doing to the
poor thing! I work on this machine every day and have hundreds of apps
I use daily including developing on the thing a lot of low level stuff
and even some device drivers over the years and even with half
finished software installed doing things to the system that no
released app would ever dream of I just dont have those kinds of
problems.

One hardware problem that I have had though is bad ram. A faulty ram
chip can work perfectly well when you startup and as things warm up
start to make some apps crash. I've also had some that were fine until
you had several apps open and the bad bits started to be actually
used. I think that random memory issues are actually more of a cause
of a machine being just randomly crashy than people are aware of. A
memory upgrade that you probably need anyway will rule that out too.

I'm sure that we can figure out why the thing is giving you trouble,
it shouldn't so something is wrong.


Thanks,
  	 James


James Sentman                       http://sentman.com 
http://MacHomeAutomation.com

I also was afraid to put Leopard on my Powermac G4, but I just
upgraded recently and it runs fine.

Katherine Lent
digigarden@...
http://thecookersblog.blogspot.com



On Sep 19, 2009, at 10:37 AM, Blair Willis wrote:

>
>
>> I've never even seen leopard. It won't run on my 1 Ghz PowerPC G4
>> PowerBook
>> 17" screen. I'm told I must have an INTEL processor for it to be
>> stable and
>> fast.
>
>
> I think you've been misled.  You should be able to run 10.5.8 Leopard
> (not Snow Leopard) just fine on that machine.  (Snow Leopard is Intel-
> only).
>
>> And I've just had rotten luck upgrading OS, so I'm very reluctant to
>> try.
>
> I've not had OS upgrade issues since maybe the whole 8.6->9->X
> scenario.  Don't let a prior experience shy you away.  This is a
> Leopard supported machine and should be fine.  Run a full hard drive
> clone to an external, prior to upgrade, and you have a no-worries
> backup ready to restore if necessary.  (And you should have a backup
> anyway!)
>
>> Maybe I should start calling it a PowerDesk because it's got so many
>> wires coming from it, it's
>> part of the office, if not the desk.
>



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That's cute! Great article!
However, one of these puppies has been living in my house for the last 6
months and has been AWESOME! My wife has that little lapdog with her in bed,
on the couch, on the porch, in the hammock in the back yard. She has an
external cd/dvd drive with it too. That little puppy burns it's own disks!
And it's compatible with our HD camcorder which creates .mov files that my
1Ghz mac stumbles and fumbles over. That's another big selling point for
me... The sheer modern ness of that little puppy.

On the topic of puppie-freeze... Back in the day in my 20's... I actually
has some success breeding cats. I'd take the runt of the litter and hand
nurse it to health, but it'd grow up so petite! And I bred them with another
just like it... And we actually did have moderate success breeding a very
small cat. We were gonna market it as "FOREVER KITTENS" (awwwwww) but it did
not work. They kept reverting back to normal sized cats on subsequent
generations. If anyone could miniturize a Lab or golden retriever that'd be
AWESOME! Heck, my 125 lb. Ridgeback is scared to death of them ankle biters!

:-)

Matt.


> From: Blair Willis <blairwillis@...>
> Reply-To: <smug_mm@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 09:48:16 -0400
> To: <smug_mm@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [smug_mm] Switching platforms...
>
>
> "Death To Puppies" (aka Netbooks)
>
>
> Yes, I'll admit, I've been tempted by the dark side by the Netbook
> Puppy.  These trendy netbooks look so cute, like little puppies lined
> up for adoption, peering at me with their puppy dog eyes from behind
> the security cage at Best Buy.  They even have some of them out to
> play with, frolicking about the counters.
>
> Most people won't admit it, but they've been drawn in by the cuteness
> of these little things.  It's not our fault, we're conditioned to
> desire them.  You walk by and pretend not to care, but they sit there,
> looking lonely.  The more counter space around them, the smaller and
> more helpless they appear.  "The poor little thing," you say, and you
> feel the guilt as you try to quickly pass by.  The temptation
> overcomes you, and you turn around and approach the diminutive
> creatures.  "Maybe I'll pet it just for a minute, since no one else is."
>
> It wouldn't be *that* much trouble, would it?  I mean, how much work
> could it be taking care of this cute little thing?  It's practically
> house trained already, I bet.  And it couldn't eat much... look how
> small it is.  Look, I just told it to "sit" and it's just sitting
> there.  This might be the smartest puppy in the place.  Cleaning up
> after its fragmented hard drive won't be that big of a deal.  It's so
> small it couldn't possibly make much of a mess.
>
> Like a miniature pinscher or chihuahua, it's got that kind of
> "permanent cuteness" because it will always be puppy sized, but it's
> kind of cooler than a chihuahua, right?  It's like they've taken a
> black lab and given it some kind of "puppy-freeze" drug to keep it at
> that ultra-cute stage.  I wouldn't be caught dead with a chihuahua,
> but a lab puppy would be just fine to ride with me in the pickup
> truck.  I don't think anyone would think it was odd.
>
> And the women... just think of the women it would attract!  Puppies
> are like girl-magnets.  So what if you're married.  Me too.  It's ok
> to look, right?  (Just ignore the red flags that this might cause the
> total disintegration of your marriage...)
>
> And it's not like it costs an arm an a leg.  They are practically
> giving them away.  A few bucks to cover the cost of adoption and it
> even comes with a bag of Windoze food and a free 3 month subscription
> to AOL for Puppies.  And I doubt that I'll really have to take it to
> the vet that often.  If I just keep it away from other dogs I
> shouldn't have to worry about it catching a virus, and I'll just be
> reeeeaaalllllly careful, I promise.
>
> Hmmm..., what's this on its collar, a flea?  (squash)  Maybe that was
> just a speck of dust or something.  No big deal, I'm sure it's not got
> a lot of bugs.  Not like that "Snow Leopard" my neighbor just got.  I
> heard that thing was like a roach motel crawling with bugs.
>
> I'm sure this thing will get along just fine at home.  I'll get him
> some toys to play with, and that way he won't eat my shoes, or remote
> control, or telephone.  It really shouldn't be much trouble.
>
> Oh, listen, did you hear that?  It just barked.  What a cute little
> "yip" from its tiny mouth.  Oh, there it goes again, "yip, yip, yip!"
> That's so fun!  I think it wants to play!  Oh, no, it's just peeing on
> the counter.  Just a sprinkle, though, that's no big deal.  Heck, a
> single paper towel can clean up after this thing, it's virtually
> hassle free.
>
> What?  It has a brother?  One black and one yellow?  How cute.  I
> couldn't possible separate these siblings.  And how much more trouble
> could a second one be?  I'll already be taking care of the first one,
> so I can just do everything twice. Heck, I bet I can get a deal if I
> get them together.
>
> "I'll take them both, here's my credit card."
>
> Blair
>
>
>
> P.S.  I have two dogs and I wouldn't trade them for anything in the
> world.  They're better than anybody else's dogs.  They're like the
> Macs of the dog world.  I'm interested to hear how those puppies work
> out for you, though!
>
> P.P.S.  There will be an Apple netbook/tablet thingy.  Someday.  It
> will blow away everything else on the market.  It will probably be
> twice the cost of "competing" devices, but will be 10 times better.
> It will be more practically useful, more reliable, and just plain
> better.  If you buy a PC netbook just to get you through until then,
> you'll just want the Apple thingy more when it does become available,
> so I don't think we're "losing one to the dark side" permanently.
>
> P.P.S.  Codeword: HACKINTOSH
>
>
> On Sep 18, 2009, at 11:20 PM, Matt Hasty wrote:
>
>> Iıve gotta admit, hearing some of the stories about snow leopard
>> added to
>> some of my own mac experience has me shopping the dark side. Tonight
>> my wife
>> and I decided to to purchase a windows laptop.
>>
>> Iım hoping someone here will talk me out of this! Iıve been faithful
>> to mac
>> since my first SEplus back in 1990. My first OS was ³system6²
>>
>> But my wife has the most beautiful little notebook computer. Acer
>> brand she
>> got at Walmart.com for about $350 new in the box. Itıs so small she
>> can take
>> it in her purse. Maybe 6²x9²x1² Sheıs got a white one because sheıs
>> a nurse.
>> We decided weıre gonna order me a blue one.
>>
>> But weıre gonna wait till the next paycheck because bills were tight
>> this
>> time around. (that time of year, both our birthdays, car
>> registrations,
>> insurance, birthday gifts, dinners out, etc)  Even though weıre not
>> rich by
>> any standard. No way could I ever afford a factory new Apple computer
>> product! But they donıt even offer anything to compete with these
>> new tiny
>> laptops ­ do they?
>>
>> My wife suggested an alternative, ³Why donıt you get a little 12²
>> mac ­
>> used?² so Iım gonna look on Craigslist/ebay I guess. But my budget
>> is $400.
>> And when I think of that BRAND NEW Acer w/windowsXP for $350 plus
>> shipping... Over a USED mac that will be 3 years old at least. Iım
>> strongly
>> leaning toward the factory new machine!!! It even has built in card
>> reader
>> for the digital cameras. Web cam built into the lid too.
>>
>> HELP!!! Iım about to buy a windows machine!!! Is this the beginning
>> of the
>> end for my 20 year Mac Love Affair???
>>
>> It aggravates my wife so much that she has become a ³computer widow²
>> when my
>> mac laptop (which is slightly older) is tied to the desk with itıs
>> power
>> cord (battery wonıt hold enough life to even start it up) and itıs
>> external
>> speaker, itıs external USB hub, and because Iım always fighting a
>> full hard
>> drive (internal 60GB drive), Iıve got it attached to an external 40
>> gig
>> drive via firewire. And my wife will browse the internet as we sit
>> and watch
>> a movie on TV with her little Acer laptop with itıs 8 hour battery
>> life.
>> When the movie is over, sheıs done on the computer too, and goes to
>> bed!
>> Well, Iıve got to head off the the other end of the house and get my
>> computer fix!
>>
>> What should I do!!!
>>
>> Matt.
>>
>> P.s. This is the floosie that is about to wreck my home!
>> http://www.walmart.com/Acer-Aspire-One-10.1-Netbook/ip/11081785
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Peter B <pobannon45@...>
>> Reply-To: <smug_mm@yahoogroups.com>
>> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 16:33:54 +0000
>> To: <smug_mm@yahoogroups.com>
>> Subject: [smug_mm] Re: Anybody got Snow on their Leopard?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I dropped Leopard and went back to nice stable Tiger. Leopard was
>> bloated
>> and didn't add much except for lots of eye candy.
>>
>> The encouraging news is that Snow Leopard is supposed to be slimmed
>> down and
>> quicker. When the dusts settles I'll give it a try on a bootable
>> backup HD.
>> Also wait for third party Apps to get SL compatible.
>>
>> Right now Apple Discussions is filled with typical post release
>> problems -
>> user error and third party compatibility. But some SL problems have
>> the
>> power users scratching their heads. Wait for the dust to settle.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

I also could not afford any new Apple hardware. But as for myself, I
prefer to run older hardware, (from ebay) and use the MacOS than a new
PC running Windows.

I have a Powermac G4 Dual 1.42 w/2GB RAM & Leopard
with a 20" Formac Display also from ebay.

If you have no problem using Windows than go ahead; I just hate MS
Windows.


Katherine Lent
digigarden@...
http://digiscrapmac.blogspot.com



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On Sep 18, 2009, at 12:33 PM, Peter B wrote:

> I dropped Leopard and went back to nice stable Tiger. Leopard was
> bloated and didn't add much except for lots of eye candy.
>
> The encouraging news is that Snow Leopard is supposed to be slimmed
> down and quicker. When the dusts settles I'll give it a try on a
> bootable backup HD. Also wait for third party Apps to get SL
> compatible.
>
> Right now Apple Discussions is filled with typical post release
> problems - user error and third party compatibility. But some SL
> problems have the power users scratching their heads. Wait for the
> dust to settle.
>

But it's only the people having trouble that speak up ;) I've had no
problems at all with the update. It's a little bit faster, I've had no
stability problems at all and the speed improvements in Mail.app alone
make it worth it to me.

I would definitely make sure that any apps you rely on are checked out
to run on it. If you have a favorite "haxie" or something that messes
with the system on a low level then that will likely break, so here's
an excuse to get away from that sort of thing anyway. Most apps wont
have any problems with it. None of anything I use required an update.
An update to the app is not required to run on SL unless they are
doing something on the short list of things that changed, most apps
wont have any trouble.

Thanks,
  	 James


James Sentman                       http://sentman.com 
http://MacHomeAutomation.com

> I've never even seen leopard. It won't run on my 1 Ghz PowerPC G4
> PowerBook
> 17" screen. I'm told I must have an INTEL processor for it to be
> stable and
> fast.


I think you've been misled.  You should be able to run 10.5.8 Leopard
(not Snow Leopard) just fine on that machine.  (Snow Leopard is Intel-
only).

>  And I've just had rotten luck upgrading OS, so I'm very reluctant to
> try.

I've not had OS upgrade issues since maybe the whole 8.6->9->X
scenario.  Don't let a prior experience shy you away.  This is a
Leopard supported machine and should be fine.  Run a full hard drive
clone to an external, prior to upgrade, and you have a no-worries
backup ready to restore if necessary.  (And you should have a backup
anyway!)

> Maybe I should start calling it a PowerDesk because it's got so many
> wires coming from it, it's
> part of the office, if not the desk.


I regularly connect and disconnect my MacBook Pro from my desk, and
agree that it's a hassle.  It's like connecting it to life support
machines.  I miss the old docking stations from the PowerPC PowerBook
days.!!!

A new battery for your PowerBook might seem expensive when compared to
a PC Netbook, but perhaps a worthwhile investment when you really
consider it.  This one for $150 has more capacity than the original
Apple battery:

http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/powerbook/battery/g4-17inch-aluminum/

> That's all I'm looking for, something to browse the net while
> watching tv.



*** Have you considered an iPod Touch? ***


Blair



On Sep 19, 2009, at 10:11 AM, Matt Hasty wrote:

> Thanks Darryl! I'm one of those PANTHER PEOPLE.
>
> I've never even seen leopard. It won't run on my 1 Ghz PowerPC G4
> PowerBook
> 17" screen. I'm told I must have an INTEL processor for it to be
> stable and
> fast. And I've just had rotten luck upgrading OS, so I'm very
> reluctant to
> try.
>
> This computer "ain't broke" so it's a "don't fix it" situation for
> me! But
> it's tied to the desk with wires, and not handy to go to the couch
> or back
> porch, etc.
>
> I'm gonna browse ebay and craigslist for a mac. But I've never
> bought a used
> laptop that had longer than a 2 hour battery life.
>
> Thanks for your pep talk Darrell, but I'm not gonna hold my breath.
> It's not
> your fault Apple choose not to go after the "Net Book" market.
> That's all
> I'm looking for, something to browse the net while watching tv. I'll
> still
> have my G4 PowerBook for my REAL computing needs. Maybe I should start
> calling it a PowerDesk because it's got so many wires coming from
> it, it's
> part of the office, if not the desk.
>
> I'm just so worried that I'll start to like the little netbook! And
> then
> when it's time to upgrade my office computer, I may be sold a system
> more
> compatible with the Windows Netbook. Because I really like my wife's
> little
> netbook! And I've only used it a few times!
>
> I'm convinced Apple missed the boat when they did not pioneer this
> market!!!
> Netbooks will be to laptops what iPods were to the walkman.
>
> Matt.
>
>
>
>
>> From: "Darryl W. Daniell" <darrylda@...>
>> Reply-To: <smug_mm@yahoogroups.com>
>> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 00:48:32 -0400
>> To: <smug_mm@yahoogroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: [smug_mm] Switching platforms...
>>
>> Search your feelings Luke, you know the dark side is not for you,
>> Bill
>> Gates is not your Father. :-}
>>
>> One of the main problems with the Mac products is there isn't a low
>> end solution, the new Mac Mini being the least expensive at around
>> $700.  Yes, if you stack up the quality of hardware against a
>> comparable PC the prices are similar but Apple doesn't seem to want
>> to
>> come up with a less expensive alternative like a netbook for now.
>> There are plenty of rumors saying that Apple will eventually try this
>> market but I think they are still focusing on the iPhones and iPods
>> right now.
>>
>> Being a "switcher" from PC to Mac I would recommend not switching to
>> Windows. They'll get my Mac when they pry it from cold dead fingers.
>> Right now their best operating system is XP witch is not saying much
>> and they are pushing Windows 7 which I think is just a repackaged
>> version of Vista which was a worse catastrophe than Windows
>> Millennium.  If you get XP you are starting with a dying OS, almost
>> like going back to Panther for the Mac, no offense to those still
>> running Panther.  Being a long time Mac Fan I don't think you will be
>> happy with Windows, it is not as intuitive as the Apple OS and can be
>> counter-productive at times.
>>
>> Now, all that being said, money talks, and unfortunately in this
>> economy if your mac is dying and you need a new computer you may have
>> to go with a PC.
>>
>> Some options depending on your computer savvy.
>>
>> Get a netbook but instead of Windows get Linux instead.  Depending on
>> your needs and level of computer use Linux may have everything you
>> need and if you use what comes pre-installed and what is available
>> under what they call their "Stable" set of applications it is fairly
>> reliable as well.  Several netbook manufacturers offer Linux as an
>> option.  Linux is Unix for the PC.  Mac OS X's Foundation is BSD
>> which
>> is a flavor of Unix.  Leopard is recognized as an Official Unix
>> flavor.
>>
>> Get one of the netbooks whose hardware is close enough to Macs own
>> hardware that you can follow directions online to install Leopard on
>> it.  I did this for my brother.  He sent me a Dell mini 9 and I
>> followed instructions I found on the web and installed OS X Leopard
>> on
>> it and it ran beautifully.  When I sent it back he later did a
>> Software update which hosed it but there were instructions and fixes
>> online on how to solve this.  This is very geeky, my brother works as
>> a System admin for a company that mainly uses Windows machines and he
>> sent it to me to install so this is not for the faint of heart.
>>
>> I will be sad if you have to get a windows laptop.  My favorite joke
>> when my friends ask me how to fix their windows machines is "You need
>> to buy a Mac."  In a lot of cases for reasons of money, software
>> availability, and learning a new operating system it is best for most
>> of them to stick with Windows.  I still have converted many to the
>> cult of Mac, most of the time it just requires me showing them what I
>> can do on mine and they are sold.
>>
>> Let us know what your final decision is and if you have any questions
>> about the dark side or the Linux alternative I can try and answer
>> them.
>>
>> Good luck and may the Force Be With You.
>>
>> On Sep 18, 2009, at 11:20 PM, Matt Hasty wrote:
>>
>>> I‚ve gotta admit, hearing some of the stories about snow leopard
>>> added to
>>> some of my own mac experience has me shopping the dark side. Tonight
>>> my wife
>>> and I decided to to purchase a windows laptop.
>>
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
>

Thanks Darryl! I'm one of those PANTHER PEOPLE.

I've never even seen leopard. It won't run on my 1 Ghz PowerPC G4 PowerBook
17" screen. I'm told I must have an INTEL processor for it to be stable and
fast. And I've just had rotten luck upgrading OS, so I'm very reluctant to
try.

This computer "ain't broke" so it's a "don't fix it" situation for me! But
it's tied to the desk with wires, and not handy to go to the couch or back
porch, etc.

I'm gonna browse ebay and craigslist for a mac. But I've never bought a used
laptop that had longer than a 2 hour battery life.

Thanks for your pep talk Darrell, but I'm not gonna hold my breath. It's not
your fault Apple choose not to go after the "Net Book" market. That's all
I'm looking for, something to browse the net while watching tv. I'll still
have my G4 PowerBook for my REAL computing needs. Maybe I should start
calling it a PowerDesk because it's got so many wires coming from it, it's
part of the office, if not the desk.

I'm just so worried that I'll start to like the little netbook! And then
when it's time to upgrade my office computer, I may be sold a system more
compatible with the Windows Netbook. Because I really like my wife's little
netbook! And I've only used it a few times!

I'm convinced Apple missed the boat when they did not pioneer this market!!!
Netbooks will be to laptops what iPods were to the walkman.

Matt.




> From: "Darryl W. Daniell" <darrylda@...>
> Reply-To: <smug_mm@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 00:48:32 -0400
> To: <smug_mm@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [smug_mm] Switching platforms...
>
> Search your feelings Luke, you know the dark side is not for you, Bill
> Gates is not your Father. :-}
>
> One of the main problems with the Mac products is there isn't a low
> end solution, the new Mac Mini being the least expensive at around
> $700.  Yes, if you stack up the quality of hardware against a
> comparable PC the prices are similar but Apple doesn't seem to want to
> come up with a less expensive alternative like a netbook for now.
> There are plenty of rumors saying that Apple will eventually try this
> market but I think they are still focusing on the iPhones and iPods
> right now.
>
> Being a "switcher" from PC to Mac I would recommend not switching to
> Windows. They'll get my Mac when they pry it from cold dead fingers.
> Right now their best operating system is XP witch is not saying much
> and they are pushing Windows 7 which I think is just a repackaged
> version of Vista which was a worse catastrophe than Windows
> Millennium.  If you get XP you are starting with a dying OS, almost
> like going back to Panther for the Mac, no offense to those still
> running Panther.  Being a long time Mac Fan I don't think you will be
> happy with Windows, it is not as intuitive as the Apple OS and can be
> counter-productive at times.
>
> Now, all that being said, money talks, and unfortunately in this
> economy if your mac is dying and you need a new computer you may have
> to go with a PC.
>
> Some options depending on your computer savvy.
>
> Get a netbook but instead of Windows get Linux instead.  Depending on
> your needs and level of computer use Linux may have everything you
> need and if you use what comes pre-installed and what is available
> under what they call their "Stable" set of applications it is fairly
> reliable as well.  Several netbook manufacturers offer Linux as an
> option.  Linux is Unix for the PC.  Mac OS X's Foundation is BSD which
> is a flavor of Unix.  Leopard is recognized as an Official Unix flavor.
>
> Get one of the netbooks whose hardware is close enough to Macs own
> hardware that you can follow directions online to install Leopard on
> it.  I did this for my brother.  He sent me a Dell mini 9 and I
> followed instructions I found on the web and installed OS X Leopard on
> it and it ran beautifully.  When I sent it back he later did a
> Software update which hosed it but there were instructions and fixes
> online on how to solve this.  This is very geeky, my brother works as
> a System admin for a company that mainly uses Windows machines and he
> sent it to me to install so this is not for the faint of heart.
>
> I will be sad if you have to get a windows laptop.  My favorite joke
> when my friends ask me how to fix their windows machines is "You need
> to buy a Mac."  In a lot of cases for reasons of money, software
> availability, and learning a new operating system it is best for most
> of them to stick with Windows.  I still have converted many to the
> cult of Mac, most of the time it just requires me showing them what I
> can do on mine and they are sold.
>
> Let us know what your final decision is and if you have any questions
> about the dark side or the Linux alternative I can try and answer them.
>
> Good luck and may the Force Be With You.
>
> On Sep 18, 2009, at 11:20 PM, Matt Hasty wrote:
>
>> I‚ve gotta admit, hearing some of the stories about snow leopard
>> added to
>> some of my own mac experience has me shopping the dark side. Tonight
>> my wife
>> and I decided to to purchase a windows laptop.
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

"Death To Puppies" (aka Netbooks)


Yes, I'll admit, I've been tempted by the dark side by the Netbook
Puppy.  These trendy netbooks look so cute, like little puppies lined
up for adoption, peering at me with their puppy dog eyes from behind
the security cage at Best Buy.  They even have some of them out to
play with, frolicking about the counters.

Most people won't admit it, but they've been drawn in by the cuteness
of these little things.  It's not our fault, we're conditioned to
desire them.  You walk by and pretend not to care, but they sit there,
looking lonely.  The more counter space around them, the smaller and
more helpless they appear.  "The poor little thing," you say, and you
feel the guilt as you try to quickly pass by.  The temptation
overcomes you, and you turn around and approach the diminutive
creatures.  "Maybe I'll pet it just for a minute, since no one else is."

It wouldn't be *that* much trouble, would it?  I mean, how much work
could it be taking care of this cute little thing?  It's practically
house trained already, I bet.  And it couldn't eat much... look how
small it is.  Look, I just told it to "sit" and it's just sitting
there.  This might be the smartest puppy in the place.  Cleaning up
after its fragmented hard drive won't be that big of a deal.  It's so
small it couldn't possibly make much of a mess.

Like a miniature pinscher or chihuahua, it's got that kind of
"permanent cuteness" because it will always be puppy sized, but it's
kind of cooler than a chihuahua, right?  It's like they've taken a
black lab and given it some kind of "puppy-freeze" drug to keep it at
that ultra-cute stage.  I wouldn't be caught dead with a chihuahua,
but a lab puppy would be just fine to ride with me in the pickup
truck.  I don't think anyone would think it was odd.

And the women... just think of the women it would attract!  Puppies
are like girl-magnets.  So what if you're married.  Me too.  It's ok
to look, right?  (Just ignore the red flags that this might cause the
total disintegration of your marriage...)

And it's not like it costs an arm an a leg.  They are practically
giving them away.  A few bucks to cover the cost of adoption and it
even comes with a bag of Windoze food and a free 3 month subscription
to AOL for Puppies.  And I doubt that I'll really have to take it to
the vet that often.  If I just keep it away from other dogs I
shouldn't have to worry about it catching a virus, and I'll just be
reeeeaaalllllly careful, I promise.

Hmmm..., what's this on its collar, a flea?  (squash)  Maybe that was
just a speck of dust or something.  No big deal, I'm sure it's not got
a lot of bugs.  Not like that "Snow Leopard" my neighbor just got.  I
heard that thing was like a roach motel crawling with bugs.

I'm sure this thing will get along just fine at home.  I'll get him
some toys to play with, and that way he won't eat my shoes, or remote
control, or telephone.  It really shouldn't be much trouble.

Oh, listen, did you hear that?  It just barked.  What a cute little
"yip" from its tiny mouth.  Oh, there it goes again, "yip, yip, yip!"
That's so fun!  I think it wants to play!  Oh, no, it's just peeing on
the counter.  Just a sprinkle, though, that's no big deal.  Heck, a
single paper towel can clean up after this thing, it's virtually
hassle free.

What?  It has a brother?  One black and one yellow?  How cute.  I
couldn't possible separate these siblings.  And how much more trouble
could a second one be?  I'll already be taking care of the first one,
so I can just do everything twice. Heck, I bet I can get a deal if I
get them together.

"I'll take them both, here's my credit card."

Blair



P.S.  I have two dogs and I wouldn't trade them for anything in the
world.  They're better than anybody else's dogs.  They're like the
Macs of the dog world.  I'm interested to hear how those puppies work
out for you, though!

P.P.S.  There will be an Apple netbook/tablet thingy.  Someday.  It
will blow away everything else on the market.  It will probably be
twice the cost of "competing" devices, but will be 10 times better.
It will be more practically useful, more reliable, and just plain
better.  If you buy a PC netbook just to get you through until then,
you'll just want the Apple thingy more when it does become available,
so I don't think we're "losing one to the dark side" permanently.

P.P.S.  Codeword: HACKINTOSH


On Sep 18, 2009, at 11:20 PM, Matt Hasty wrote:

> I’ve gotta admit, hearing some of the stories about snow leopard
> added to
> some of my own mac experience has me shopping the dark side. Tonight
> my wife
> and I decided to to purchase a windows laptop.
>
> I’m hoping someone here will talk me out of this! I’ve been faithful
> to mac
> since my first SEplus back in 1990. My first OS was “system6”
>
> But my wife has the most beautiful little notebook computer. Acer
> brand she
> got at Walmart.com for about $350 new in the box. It’s so small she
> can take
> it in her purse. Maybe 6”x9”x1” She’s got a white one because she’s
> a nurse.
> We decided we’re gonna order me a blue one.
>
> But we’re gonna wait till the next paycheck because bills were tight
> this
> time around. (that time of year, both our birthdays, car
> registrations,
> insurance, birthday gifts, dinners out, etc)  Even though we’re not
> rich by
> any standard. No way could I ever afford a factory new Apple computer
> product! But they don’t even offer anything to compete with these
> new tiny
> laptops – do they?
>
> My wife suggested an alternative, “Why don’t you get a little 12”
> mac –
> used?” so I’m gonna look on Craigslist/ebay I guess. But my budget
> is $400.
> And when I think of that BRAND NEW Acer w/windowsXP for $350 plus
> shipping... Over a USED mac that will be 3 years old at least. I’m
> strongly
> leaning toward the factory new machine!!! It even has built in card
> reader
> for the digital cameras. Web cam built into the lid too.
>
> HELP!!! I’m about to buy a windows machine!!! Is this the beginning
> of the
> end for my 20 year Mac Love Affair???
>
> It aggravates my wife so much that she has become a “computer widow”
> when my
> mac laptop (which is slightly older) is tied to the desk with it’s
> power
> cord (battery won’t hold enough life to even start it up) and it’s
> external
> speaker, it’s external USB hub, and because I’m always fighting a
> full hard
> drive (internal 60GB drive), I’ve got it attached to an external 40
> gig
> drive via firewire. And my wife will browse the internet as we sit
> and watch
> a movie on TV with her little Acer laptop with it’s 8 hour battery
> life.
> When the movie is over, she’s done on the computer too, and goes to
> bed!
> Well, I’ve got to head off the the other end of the house and get my
> computer fix!
>
> What should I do!!!
>
> Matt.
>
> P.s. This is the floosie that is about to wreck my home!
> http://www.walmart.com/Acer-Aspire-One-10.1-Netbook/ip/11081785
>
>
>
> From: Peter B <pobannon45@...>
> Reply-To: <smug_mm@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 16:33:54 +0000
> To: <smug_mm@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [smug_mm] Re: Anybody got Snow on their Leopard?
>
>
>
>
>
> I dropped Leopard and went back to nice stable Tiger. Leopard was
> bloated
> and didn't add much except for lots of eye candy.
>
> The encouraging news is that Snow Leopard is supposed to be slimmed
> down and
> quicker. When the dusts settles I'll give it a try on a bootable
> backup HD.
> Also wait for third party Apps to get SL compatible.
>
> Right now Apple Discussions is filled with typical post release
> problems -
> user error and third party compatibility. But some SL problems have
> the
> power users scratching their heads. Wait for the dust to settle.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Search your feelings Luke, you know the dark side is not for you, Bill
Gates is not your Father. :-}

One of the main problems with the Mac products is there isn't a low
end solution, the new Mac Mini being the least expensive at around
$700.  Yes, if you stack up the quality of hardware against a
comparable PC the prices are similar but Apple doesn't seem to want to
come up with a less expensive alternative like a netbook for now.
There are plenty of rumors saying that Apple will eventually try this
market but I think they are still focusing on the iPhones and iPods
right now.

Being a "switcher" from PC to Mac I would recommend not switching to
Windows. They'll get my Mac when they pry it from cold dead fingers.
Right now their best operating system is XP witch is not saying much
and they are pushing Windows 7 which I think is just a repackaged
version of Vista which was a worse catastrophe than Windows
Millennium.  If you get XP you are starting with a dying OS, almost
like going back to Panther for the Mac, no offense to those still
running Panther.  Being a long time Mac Fan I don't think you will be
happy with Windows, it is not as intuitive as the Apple OS and can be
counter-productive at times.

Now, all that being said, money talks, and unfortunately in this
economy if your mac is dying and you need a new computer you may have
to go with a PC.

Some options depending on your computer savvy.

Get a netbook but instead of Windows get Linux instead.  Depending on
your needs and level of computer use Linux may have everything you
need and if you use what comes pre-installed and what is available
under what they call their "Stable" set of applications it is fairly
reliable as well.  Several netbook manufacturers offer Linux as an
option.  Linux is Unix for the PC.  Mac OS X's Foundation is BSD which
is a flavor of Unix.  Leopard is recognized as an Official Unix flavor.

Get one of the netbooks whose hardware is close enough to Macs own
hardware that you can follow directions online to install Leopard on
it.  I did this for my brother.  He sent me a Dell mini 9 and I
followed instructions I found on the web and installed OS X Leopard on
it and it ran beautifully.  When I sent it back he later did a
Software update which hosed it but there were instructions and fixes
online on how to solve this.  This is very geeky, my brother works as
a System admin for a company that mainly uses Windows machines and he
sent it to me to install so this is not for the faint of heart.

I will be sad if you have to get a windows laptop.  My favorite joke
when my friends ask me how to fix their windows machines is "You need
to buy a Mac."  In a lot of cases for reasons of money, software
availability, and learning a new operating system it is best for most
of them to stick with Windows.  I still have converted many to the
cult of Mac, most of the time it just requires me showing them what I
can do on mine and they are sold.

Let us know what your final decision is and if you have any questions
about the dark side or the Linux alternative I can try and answer them.

Good luck and may the Force Be With You.

On Sep 18, 2009, at 11:20 PM, Matt Hasty wrote:

> I’ve gotta admit, hearing some of the stories about snow leopard
> added to
> some of my own mac experience has me shopping the dark side. Tonight
> my wife
> and I decided to to purchase a windows laptop.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I also could not afford any new Apple hardware. But as for myself, I
prefer to run older hardware, (from ebay) and use the MacOS than a new
PC running Windows.

I have a Powermac G4 Dual 1.42 w/2GB RAM & Leopard
with a 20" Formac Display also from ebay.

If you have no problem using Windows than go ahead; I just hate MS
Windows.


Katherine Lent
digigarden@...
http://digiscrapmac.blogspot.com


On Sep 18, 2009, at 11:20 PM, Matt Hasty wrote:

> s built in card reader
> for the digital cameras. Web cam built into the lid too.
>
> HELP!!! I’m about to buy a windows machine!!! Is this the beginning
> of the
> end for my 20 year Mac Love Affair???
>
> What should I do!!!
>
> Matt.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Iıve gotta admit, hearing some of the stories about snow leopard added to
some of my own mac experience has me shopping the dark side. Tonight my wife
and I decided to to purchase a windows laptop.

Iım hoping someone here will talk me out of this! Iıve been faithful to mac
since my first SEplus back in 1990. My first OS was ³system6²

But my wife has the most beautiful little notebook computer. Acer brand she
got at Walmart.com for about $350 new in the box. Itıs so small she can take
it in her purse. Maybe 6²x9²x1² Sheıs got a white one because sheıs a nurse.
We decided weıre gonna order me a blue one.

But weıre gonna wait till the next paycheck because bills were tight this
time around. (that time of year, both our birthdays, car registrations,
insurance, birthday gifts, dinners out, etc)  Even though weıre not rich by
any standard. No way could I ever afford a factory new Apple computer
product! But they donıt even offer anything to compete with these new tiny
laptops ­ do they?

My wife suggested an alternative, ³Why donıt you get a little 12² mac ­
used?² so Iım gonna look on Craigslist/ebay I guess. But my budget is $400.
And when I think of that BRAND NEW Acer w/windowsXP for $350 plus
shipping... Over a USED mac that will be 3 years old at least. Iım strongly
leaning toward the factory new machine!!! It even has built in card reader
for the digital cameras. Web cam built into the lid too.

HELP!!! Iım about to buy a windows machine!!! Is this the beginning of the
end for my 20 year Mac Love Affair???

It aggravates my wife so much that she has become a ³computer widow² when my
mac laptop (which is slightly older) is tied to the desk with itıs power
cord (battery wonıt hold enough life to even start it up) and itıs external
speaker, itıs external USB hub, and because Iım always fighting a full hard
drive (internal 60GB drive), Iıve got it attached to an external 40 gig
drive via firewire. And my wife will browse the internet as we sit and watch
a movie on TV with her little Acer laptop with itıs 8 hour battery life.
When the movie is over, sheıs done on the computer too, and goes to bed!
Well, Iıve got to head off the the other end of the house and get my
computer fix!

What should I do!!!

Matt.

P.s. This is the floosie that is about to wreck my home!
http://www.walmart.com/Acer-Aspire-One-10.1-Netbook/ip/11081785



From: Peter B <pobannon45@...>
Reply-To: <smug_mm@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 16:33:54 +0000
To: <smug_mm@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [smug_mm] Re: Anybody got Snow on their Leopard?





I dropped Leopard and went back to nice stable Tiger. Leopard was bloated
and didn't add much except for lots of eye candy.

The encouraging news is that Snow Leopard is supposed to be slimmed down and
quicker. When the dusts settles I'll give it a try on a bootable backup HD.
Also wait for third party Apps to get SL compatible.

Right now Apple Discussions is filled with typical post release problems -
user error and third party compatibility. But some SL problems have the
power users scratching their heads. Wait for the dust to settle.








[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I dropped Leopard and went back to nice stable Tiger. Leopard was bloated and
didn't add much except for lots of eye candy.

The encouraging news is that Snow Leopard is supposed to be slimmed down and
quicker. When the dusts settles I'll give it a try on a bootable backup HD. Also
wait for third party Apps to get SL compatible.

Right now Apple Discussions is filled with typical post release problems - user
error and third party compatibility. But some SL problems have the power users
scratching their heads. Wait for the dust to settle.

I personally won't be using it; in fact I only recently upgraded to
Leopard. I have an old G4 Mirror Drie Door. But my husband did order
the Up-to-Date Snow Leopard pack for his Intel Macbook Pro. The Up-to-
Date packs haven't shipped yet.


Katherine Lent
digigarden@...
http://digiscrapmac.blogspot.com




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

On Sep 2, 2009, at 10:18 PM, Darryl W. Daniell wrote:

> Haven't seen any messages lately so I thought I would check and see if
> anyone on the list has made the plunge.  I have always gotten the OS X
> updates on the day of release and installed immediately slamming thru
> the wrapper and box like a kid on Christmas morning.  So far, for me,
> it has been the best upgrade so far.  All my printers work although I
> had to rediscover them.  I had to re-install a couple of hardware
> drivers but they work.  I have a utility called istat menus that is
> not Snow Leopard compatible that I will have to wait for an update.
> The Adobe Design suite is not playing well with Snow Leopard but it
> didn't play perfectly well with Leopard either.  But mostly the Adobe
> problems are annoyances, they haven't disrupted my workflow.  I have a
> webserver running on a separate iMac that stopped working because Snow
> Leopard overwrote my config files and deleted the symbolic link to my
> mysql installation but I did get to use Time Machine to restore those
> files meaning it took me 5 minutes to fix the problem, Yea Time
> Machine.  I upgraded XCode to the version that comes with Snow Leopard
> because I am learning how to create iPhone applications and have found
> it a bit buggy.  All in all though most of these problems are just
> annoyances that I am sure Apple will flesh out in the coming months.
>
> The new Bootcamp is supposed to support Windows 7 64-bit so I will
> probably try and install that this weekend and see how it goes.
>
> Let me know if you have upgraded and any experiences, negative or
> positive.


Hey Darryl,

I installed it the morning of the release and haven't had any
insurmountable problems. When it first came up everything was running
really slow and I was worried but it worked out whatever kink it was
working through and I'm quite happy with it. In mail.app I'm actually
thrilled with it. some of my larger mailing list mail boxes were
taking 5 seconds or more to just display when you selected them in the
previous version, and even deleting an email took several heartbeats
to actually go away and return control to me and things like that.
Mail was becoming quite frustrating to work with, but 10.6 has really
fixed all that. Mail is super fast in all it's UI and switching mail
boxes and everything and just works great.

I did manage to make the new Safari crash once, but I'm special that
way. It also really is faster to re-join it's last wireless network
when you wake from sleep, I'd often get the "you are not connected to
the internet" message and have to go select the same trusted network
again but all that is fixed. I also had the problem where the faster
airport would drop the connection every so often and that has not
happened since the update either.

All in all I'm very happy with it. I would definitely call it an
improvement in several very important ways and everyone should get it!
So many little frustrations and annoyances that you dont even remember
you're fighting with are all fixed up.

Thanks,
  	 James


James Sentman                       http://sentman.com 
http://MacHomeAutomation.com

My Snow Leopard arrived Friday and I installed it Saturday. So far so
good, but outgoing mail seems a bit slower to actually get sent.

Mickey
On Sep 2, 2009, at 10:18 PM, Darryl W. Daniell wrote:

> Haven't seen any messages lately so I thought I would check and see if
> anyone on the list has made the plunge. I have always gotten the OS X
> updates on the day of release and installed immediately slamming thru
> the wrapper and box like a kid on Christmas morning. So far, for me,
> it has been the best upgrade so far. All my printers work although I
> had to rediscover them. I had to re-install a couple of hardware
> drivers but they work. I have a utility called istat menus that is
> not Snow Leopard compatible that I will have to wait for an update.
> The Adobe Design suite is not playing well with Snow Leopard but it
> didn't play perfectly well with Leopard either. But mostly the Adobe
> problems are annoyances, they haven't disrupted my workflow. I have a
> webserver running on a separate iMac that stopped working because Snow
> Leopard overwrote my config files and deleted the symbolic link to my
> mysql installation but I did get to use Time Machine to restore those
> files meaning it took me 5 minutes to fix the problem, Yea Time
> Machine. I upgraded XCode to the version that comes with Snow Leopard
> because I am learning how to create iPhone applications and have found
> it a bit buggy. All in all though most of these problems are just
> annoyances that I am sure Apple will flesh out in the coming months.
>
> The new Bootcamp is supposed to support Windows 7 64-bit so I will
> probably try and install that this weekend and see how it goes.
>
> Let me know if you have upgraded and any experiences, negative or
> positive.
>
> L8r.
>
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Haven't seen any messages lately so I thought I would check and see if
anyone on the list has made the plunge.  I have always gotten the OS X
updates on the day of release and installed immediately slamming thru
the wrapper and box like a kid on Christmas morning.  So far, for me,
it has been the best upgrade so far.  All my printers work although I
had to rediscover them.  I had to re-install a couple of hardware
drivers but they work.  I have a utility called istat menus that is
not Snow Leopard compatible that I will have to wait for an update.
The Adobe Design suite is not playing well with Snow Leopard but it
didn't play perfectly well with Leopard either.  But mostly the Adobe
problems are annoyances, they haven't disrupted my workflow.  I have a
webserver running on a separate iMac that stopped working because Snow
Leopard overwrote my config files and deleted the symbolic link to my
mysql installation but I did get to use Time Machine to restore those
files meaning it took me 5 minutes to fix the problem, Yea Time
Machine.  I upgraded XCode to the version that comes with Snow Leopard
because I am learning how to create iPhone applications and have found
it a bit buggy.  All in all though most of these problems are just
annoyances that I am sure Apple will flesh out in the coming months.

The new Bootcamp is supposed to support Windows 7 64-bit so I will
probably try and install that this weekend and see how it goes.

Let me know if you have upgraded and any experiences, negative or
positive.

L8r.

We had ( as much as we can figure) a nearby lightning strike last
weekend and seems to have damaged a few things in our studio:

A PC owned by my studio mate ( too bad >:-})

and an ethernet switch that was between the modem and my router for my network.

Now When I try to print from my laptop to my laser printer It just
hangs trying to "open printer connection"

When I open the network in System preferences, I get a dialogue box
that pops up saying" Your network settings have been changed buy
another application" With an "OK" button. When I click on the button,
the box closes then reopens in a fraction of a second and now I
cannot close the window!!

I have another computer hooked up to the same router ant it won't
print either to the laser printer, but it will print to a large
format Epson, and I CAN print from the laptop if I plug the ethernet
cable in directly.

The router works fine for the network, the computers can see each
other and the second printer.

Any thoughts?

I can





--
Paul Nurnberg
Nurnberg Photography, LLC
PO Box 669
Beaufort, SC 29901
http://www.nurnbergphotography.com/
APA, ASMP/SC , EP member
912-429-0189

This is all interesting stuff. Thanks for asking the question
.
I use my appleTV to play tunes thru the stereo.
Itıs got RCA audio out, and is hooked to the router with an ethernet cable,
but I believe it could go to the router wirelessly.
When I choose the AppleTV in my choice of speakers (in iTunes) Iım not sure
if my computer is talking wirelessly directly with the AppleTV or if itıs
going thru the router. (It works, so I really donıt care, I suppose)

Iım not sure if my wife could hook up to it with her PC though. Maybe. Maybe
not.

I like the old airport idea. Iıve been looking for an excuse to get one!

:D

Matt.


From: James Sentman <james@...>
Reply-To: <smug_mm@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 10:26:54 -0400
To: <smug_mm@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [smug_mm] Music from a computer through a stereo







On Jul 3, 2009, at 9:51 AM, Rick Pruden wrote:

> Paul, I did some more digging and found some links to wireless music
> bridges, which would do exactly what you want, except that they are
> all PC only.  The best seems to be a Linksys, but none stand out as
> being spectacular.
> After some more digging, I found a product that "breaks" the iTunes-
> only limitation of the Airport Express.  It is called AirFoil:
> http://rogueamoeba.com/airfoil/
> It works with PC and Macs and allows Pandora and other non-iTunes
> media to be played through Airtunes.
> This seems to be your best option if you want a wireless setup.
>
> Rick Pruden
> 912.663.7773

You dont need a recent AirPort express to do this without having to
overtake the plumbing. Even an old one got off ebay will work just
fine for remote music, it doesn't matter if the networking isn't the
fastest available now, just make sure your real wireless basestation
has the switch turned on to allow the older type of clients to
connect. I have run some ethernet cables down to where our stereo is
and have put an airport express there for the same reasons. I can play
music to it, but because I have a wire running there I can use the
device to extend my wireless network for better coverage of the house
as well. These little boxes are not expensive bought used and are
really very nice and reliable.

Of course, if you're close enough to just use an RCA jack to it then
thats the easiest, but being able to stream from any machine in the
house is very nice.

Thanks,
  James

James Sentman                       http://sentman.com
http://MacHomeAutomation.com








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On Jul 3, 2009, at 9:51 AM, Rick Pruden wrote:

> Paul, I did some more digging and found some links to wireless music
> bridges, which would do exactly what you want, except that they are
> all PC only.  The best seems to be a Linksys, but none stand out as
> being spectacular.
> After some more digging, I found a product that "breaks" the iTunes-
> only limitation of the Airport Express.  It is called AirFoil:
> http://rogueamoeba.com/airfoil/
> It works with PC and Macs and allows Pandora and other non-iTunes
> media to be played through Airtunes.
> This seems to be your best option if you want a wireless setup.
>
> Rick Pruden
> 912.663.7773

You dont need a recent AirPort express to do this without having to
overtake the plumbing. Even an old one got off ebay will work just
fine for remote music, it doesn't matter if the networking isn't the
fastest available now, just make sure your real wireless basestation
has the switch turned on to allow the older type of clients to
connect. I have run some ethernet cables down to where our stereo is
and have put an airport express there for the same reasons. I can play
music to it, but because I have a wire running there I can use the
device to extend my wireless network for better coverage of the house
as well. These little boxes are not expensive bought used and are
really very nice and reliable.


Of course, if you're close enough to just use an RCA jack to it then
thats the easiest, but being able to stream from any machine in the
house is very nice.

Thanks,
  	 James


James Sentman                       http://sentman.com 
http://MacHomeAutomation.com

Paul, I did some more digging and found some links to wireless music
bridges, which would do exactly what you want, except that they are
all PC only.  The best seems to be a Linksys, but none stand out as
being spectacular.
After some more digging, I found a product that "breaks" the iTunes-
only limitation of the Airport Express.  It is called AirFoil:
http://rogueamoeba.com/airfoil/
It works with PC and Macs and allows Pandora and other non-iTunes
media to be played through Airtunes.
This seems to be your best option if you want a wireless setup.

Rick Pruden
912.663.7773




On Jul 3, 2009, at 9:29 AM, Rick Pruden wrote:

>
>
> Paul, the easiest, cheapest is to use the headphone jack to RCA in on
> your preamp. If your preamp has enough inputs, each computer can use
> a different one; otherwise you can use a couple of RCA Y cables to
> merge the inputs together and share the input channel. This may not
> be the best solution depending on how far each computer is from the
> stereo since a wire will need to be run from each computer to the
> stereo system.
> If you want wireless, then it will get much more expensive and that
> old laptop may be the best solution.
>
> Rick Pruden
> 912.663.7773
>
> On Jul 3, 2009, at 8:43 AM, Paul Nurnberg wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > In my studio I have a stereo: amp, preamp, CD player, cassette deck,
> > even a turntable! Each of the three of us who share also have
> > computers at our individual work areas. I am Mac they are PCs
> ( ugh).
> > What is the best ( easiest and cheapest) way for us to be able to
> > play music from the computers ( Pandora, etc.) though the stereo?
> >
> > I could hook up a dedicated old laptop to the stereo system if that
> > is the best answer, but if there is a better solution, I would like
> > to find it. Ideally each of us would be able to play from our
> > individual computers.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > --
> > Paul Nurnberg
> > Nurnberg Photography, LLC
> > PO Box 669
> > Beaufort, SC 29901
> > http://www.nurnbergphotography.com/
> > APA, ASMP/SC , EP member
> > 912-429-0189
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



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Paul, the easiest, cheapest is to use the headphone jack to RCA in on
your preamp.  If your preamp has enough inputs, each computer can use
a different one; otherwise you can use a couple of RCA Y cables to
merge the inputs together and share the input channel.  This may not
be the best solution depending on how far each computer is from the
stereo since a wire will need to be run from each computer to the
stereo system.
If you want wireless, then it will get much more expensive and that
old laptop may be the best solution.

Rick Pruden
912.663.7773




On Jul 3, 2009, at 8:43 AM, Paul Nurnberg wrote:

>
>
> In my studio I have a stereo: amp, preamp, CD player, cassette deck,
> even a turntable! Each of the three of us who share also have
> computers at our individual work areas. I am Mac they are PCs ( ugh).
> What is the best ( easiest and cheapest) way for us to be able to
> play music from the computers ( Pandora, etc.) though the stereo?
>
> I could hook up a dedicated old laptop to the stereo system if that
> is the best answer, but if there is a better solution, I would like
> to find it. Ideally each of us would be able to play from our
> individual computers.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
>
> --
> Paul Nurnberg
> Nurnberg Photography, LLC
> PO Box 669
> Beaufort, SC 29901
> http://www.nurnbergphotography.com/
> APA, ASMP/SC , EP member
> 912-429-0189
>
>



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Pick up an Airport Express and let it link up to your existing wifi network.
Then plug in a stereo cable to the Airport and the other end into an available
port channel on your stereo. Configure the Airtunes software, configure iTunes
and in about 10 minutes of setup you'll be able to stream anything on itunes to
your stereo.

Or (and this is what I do for the kitchen radio) pick up a cheap little Griffin
FM transmitter. It connects via USB and is really easy to set up. I can't
remember the model name (and I'm at work right now), but it's easy to find. The
range however is somewhat limited and very sensitive to home conditions.

Hope those give you some ideas.

-Doug

--- In smug_mm@yahoogroups.com, Paul Nurnberg <paul@...> wrote:
>
> In my studio I have a stereo: amp, preamp, CD player, cassette deck,
> even a turntable!  Each of the three of us who share also have
> computers at our individual work areas. I am Mac they are PCs ( ugh).
> What is the best ( easiest and cheapest) way for us to be able to
> play music from the computers ( Pandora, etc.) though the stereo?
>
> I could hook up a dedicated old laptop to the stereo system if that
> is the best answer, but if there is a better solution, I would like
> to find it. Ideally each of us would be able to play from our
> individual computers.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
> --
> Paul Nurnberg
> Nurnberg Photography, LLC
> PO Box 669
> Beaufort, SC 29901
> http://www.nurnbergphotography.com/
> APA, ASMP/SC , EP member
> 912-429-0189
>

In my studio I have a stereo: amp, preamp, CD player, cassette deck,
even a turntable!  Each of the three of us who share also have
computers at our individual work areas. I am Mac they are PCs ( ugh).
What is the best ( easiest and cheapest) way for us to be able to
play music from the computers ( Pandora, etc.) though the stereo?

I could hook up a dedicated old laptop to the stereo system if that
is the best answer, but if there is a better solution, I would like
to find it. Ideally each of us would be able to play from our
individual computers.

Thanks,

Paul




--
Paul Nurnberg
Nurnberg Photography, LLC
PO Box 669
Beaufort, SC 29901
http://www.nurnbergphotography.com/
APA, ASMP/SC , EP member
912-429-0189

The domain for Savannah Mug will be expiring soon. If anyone would like it
please contact me.

Best regards,

Thomas

I recently switched to the Safari 4 release and am using it although
it looks like a lot of the things that make me return to Firefox are
still not solved in Safari.
I just recently downloaded Flock and am playing with it and still
checking out all the extra features.  After downloading it and playing
with it, I noticed how similar to firefox it was and then went to the
website and other places and found that it is basically a modified
firefox.  I will let you know if I decide to switch to it permanently.

I downloaded Postbox and it looks good but it does not allow external
Spam programs.  I use and swear by Spamsieve and although the author
of Spamsieve is willing to work with the developers of Postbox,
currently postbox doesn't support it so I will stay with Apple Mail

On Jun 15, 2009, at 9:35 AM, Katherine Lent wrote:

> Darryl, your email and browser history is similar to mine! Most
> recently I spent a lot of time wrangling with the Opera beta and
> finally
> found Flock. I am very happy with it! Postbox too. I still use mail on
> occasion, if I want to send photos directly out of iPhoto. So have you
> tried them since you posted??
>
> --
> Katherine
> facebook.com/katherinesears.lent
> Please make a note of my new email address:
> digigarden@...



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Darryl, your email and  browser history is similar to mine! Most
recently I spent a lot of time wrangling with the Opera beta and finally
found Flock. I am very happy with it! Postbox too. I still use mail on
occasion, if I want to send photos directly out of iPhoto. So have you
tried them since you posted??

--
Katherine
facebook.com/katherinesears.lent
Please make a note of my new email address:
digigarden@...

[was digigarden2@...]



Darryl W. Daniell wrote:
>
>
> What the Flock? Sorry couldn't resist.
>
> I am continually looking for alternatives for email and web browser
> but it usually is a lesser of 2 evils choice.
> I used Entourage for a while but I didn't work directly with the
> built in address book and ical
> Tried thunderbird but wasn't satisfied.
> I like Apple Mail but sometimes it fights with my comcast connection
> although I have seen less of that lately.
> For a while I had downloaded an email plugin that worked with a
> filemaker solution that was pretty impressive but it had some other
> problems that I ran into.
> I even tried making my own in realBasic but didn't have the time or
> inclination to implement some of the more complex features of a
> professional email client but did have something that would fetch my
> email and store it in a database and let me read my emails.
>
> As far as browsers go I am always going back to firefox. I try Safari
> for a while or Seamonkey or something else but always go back to
> firefox for one reason or another.
>
> I hadn't heard of either postbox or Flock but will give them a try.
>
> L8r.
>
> On May 29, 2009, at 12:10 AM, Katherine wrote:
>
> > I have family that also continues to use AOL, on a Mac.
> > Then of course, they want your help! Infuriating!!
> >
> > So what are all of you using these days? After going from
> > Thunderbird to
> > Apple Mail to Opera I am now using Postbox.
> > And my browser of choice is now Flock.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

What the Flock?  Sorry couldn't resist.

I am continually looking for alternatives for email and web browser
but it usually is a lesser of 2 evils choice.
I used Entourage for a while but I didn't  work directly with the
built in address book and ical
Tried thunderbird but wasn't satisfied.
I like Apple Mail but sometimes it fights with my comcast connection
although I have seen less of that lately.
For a while I had downloaded an email plugin that worked with a
filemaker solution that was pretty impressive but it had some other
problems that I ran into.
I even tried making my own in realBasic but didn't have the time or
inclination to implement some of the more complex features of a
professional email client but did have something that would fetch my
email and store it in a database and let me read my emails.

As far as browsers go I am always going back to firefox.  I try Safari
for a while or Seamonkey or something else but always go back to
firefox for one reason or another.

I hadn't heard of either postbox or Flock but will give them a try.

L8r.

On May 29, 2009, at 12:10 AM, Katherine wrote:

> I have family that also continues to use AOL, on a Mac.
> Then of course, they want your help! Infuriating!!
>
> So what are all of you using these days? After going from
> Thunderbird to
> Apple Mail to Opera I am now using Postbox.
> And my browser of choice is now Flock.



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