There are a lot of aspects of Wayman O.'s hypocrisy.  However, at the center of his hypocrisy is his demand to submit to what he calls headship. 

The destruction that people suffer in Wayman O.'s fellowship is largely caused by this teaching that you have to submit to some God appointed leader, one whom God has specifically appointed over you.  You are taught if you reject that God appointed leader, for any reason, then you are in rebellion against God, and you are more or less going to hell.  Unless you repent and resubmit yourself to your God appointed leader, you will lose your salvation.

One of the qualities of a hypocrite is that they will require of others what they have never required of themselves.  Wayman O. is a total rebel.  The man who constantly preaches that rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft is a rebel.  Yet, he will not tolerate any rebellion against himself or his man made leadership structure.  He lays the heavy burden of headship on the backs of people, but he has never, ever born the burden himself. 

The Mighty Mitch has never had a pastor over him who he considered his spiritual, God appointed headship.  Never.  Yet he constantly states that this is essential to a person staying saved, and essential to them fulfilling the plan of God for their lives or their "destiny."  He teaches that rejection of headship will abort all fruitfulness in your life, and as mentioned above, lead you into a backslidden, hell bound state.  But he himself has never had this supposedly essential headship over him.

The argument that fellowship loyalists will bring is that Lord Wayman is special.  He is an exception to his own rules.  They just can't see that they are justifying total hypocrisy.  It is plain to see for those who are not under the spell of the fellowship.  Anyone who allows themselves to think clearly and logically will see that this man is indeed a total hypocrite.

The Little Big Man has been heard to say that if you do what he does you can have what he has.  When Ron Jones wanted to have his own fellowship, and break away from Mitch, and most importantly, no longer tithe to the Pope of Prescott, Lord Wayman declared him a rebellious dog and did everything he could to destroy him.  Why can't Ron Jones be special too?  What was really interesting was that some likened Jones' rebellion against Mitch to Satan's rebellion against God.  You would think people would begin to snap that Waymanchrist was being put in the place of Father God.  According to the Bible there is only one Man who holds that office, and his name is not Wayman.

In his writings of the glories of the Most High Wayman, Ian Wilson made it out that the Mighty Mitch was the only man worthy of the "mantle of God."  The implication was that in all the earth this Wayman guy was "it".  No other man could be compared to him.  So how dare you hold him to his own standards?  We are talking about Mantle Man, the one only true apostle of the faith.  Such trash.

The truth is that Wayman O. is just a hypocritical religious con man.  He is telling people they must submit to human leadership, which is supposedly God appointed.  He is saying that if you do not submit you will not have what God has for you.  Yet he himself has never, ever obeyed this same teaching.  And you keep giving him money, power, and praise, rather than judging him for the hypocrite that he certainly is.  

One laughable thing.  When a pastor rebels against Wayman, and he pulls the church out, Wayman will split that church, and do his best to destroy it.  One of the things that will be done is the people in the church will be told that they should not submit to the pastor any more, since he is a hypocrite who will not submit to his own headship.  This comes from a man who gave Foursquare leadership the finger and rebelled.  So why are you submitting to him?  

All the appointments of boards of elders that Mitch is supposedly submitted to are a joke.  There are no original members of the board that Mitch appointed after the 1990 exodus on the present board.  Mitch has cast them all out of the fellowship except one and that one is not on the present board.  Mitch has no headship.  He is a law unto himself.  I would have to say at this point that submitting to Wayman O. is an act of sheer stupidity, or it is an alliance to be in on the con game with all its benefits.  

Time to rebel.  "Rebellion against tyranny is obedience to God."  Benjamin Franklin

Shalom

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www.slamthedoor.org 

There are two basic violations of finances in the fellowship.  All the other violations flow out of these two.

The first is threatening people with loss of salvation for failing to tithe and give offerings besides.  They lure people in with the promise of a free salvation, bought and paid for by the blood of Jesus Christ, and then tell them that if they fail to give money to this specific church that this salvation will be taken away.  If you are not redeemed with gold and silver, then you cannot maintain your salvation by gold and silver.  That, however, is not what they teach.

By taking this position, they literally extort people from money.  Single moms and stuggling families are forced to give beyond their means.  They are convinced that God will curse them if they don't, and even take away their salvation.  They are one tithe away from hell, and damned for sure if they fall short of the pledges the pastor manipulated them into.  It is a dirty, little con game they are running.

The second foundation of financial violation is lack of honest and complete accountability.  Simple record keeping makes it easy to give a full and honest account of money taken in and money spent.  One tax lawyer, who specifically serviced churches, told me that the pastor and his wife should never touch the offering.  The offering should be counted by a group of men and women in the church and they should take care of depositing it in the bank.  A church officer should write out the pastor's pay, and any other compensation he receieves.  All petty cash flow that the pastor uses should be documented with receipts, and he should only receive that cash from a church officer who makes a record of it. 

What I just wrote is completely foreign to the fellowship in almost all their churches.  They do what they want with the money and once it goes in the offering it is under their complete control.  Try telling the pastor say, of the Tucson church, that his wife should not be allowed to touch the offering.  See what kind of response you get. 

Anyone in the church who gives money should have access to a complete and detailed record of how much money comes in and exactly what it is spent on.  And they should have that on a monthly basis.  The fact that this is not the case, and that any suggestion along these lines is met with hostility, smacks of severe dishonesty. 

All compensation to the pastor should be a known fact to the congregation.  Everything the church pays for that directly benefits the pastor should be known.  If he gets a car allowance, a house allowance, a food allowance, an entertainment allowance, an insurance allowance, or anything else besides his weekly salary, that should be known, and the amounts should be known. 

How much money he takes in for specific offerings should also be known.  How that money is spent should be known.  Take the infamous offering to send Lee and Connie Stubbs to France.  When the Stubbs decided to leave the fellowship, that money needed to be accounted for.  Considering that the offering was basically unnecessary to begin with, since Lee's job was sending him to France, it is not surprising that the money vaporized.  Warner was no doubt using the "impact" of the announcement to simply raise money for his piece of the empire.  This is just one of the many illustrations of how there is no real accountability.

Please don't tell me about those yearly meetings where they go over the finances.  That is as far removed from a real accounting as you can get.  A real accounting would be much more specific, and would be monthly.  I preached at one of these meetings where $40,000 was missing right there in front of the people.  When the pastor realized this, he said, "Well I am sure that money went somewhere."  Later he reemed his wife for not the juggling the books. 

Another man handed out tax receipts that were far less than what people had recorded in their check registers.  Of course this pastor failed 8th grade math, so that could have been part of the problem.  He must have had trouble cooking the books.  So, he went back, adjusted the figures, and gave out new receipts.  The man who was assistant at the time told me there were two sets of books on the church computer. 

There are many other such like stories, but you get the idea.  The two foundations of evil in regards to money in the fellowship are forced giving, and no real accountability.  Out of these two things all the other evils flow. 

The Bible does not teach that you have to give money to be right with God.  No one should stay in a church where there is no true accountability for money taken in, and money spent.  To let these men tell you that you must give 10% of your income and offerings besides to stay saved, and then allow them to spend that money any way they please without true accountability is borderline insane.  Read that last sentence five times  if you are still in the fellowship.

Time to head for the exit for the last time.

Shalom

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Escape_from_the_Fellowship/

www.slamthedoor.org

Here is a very interesting post by Naboth from his message board, Slam the Door on the Potter's House.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/slamthedoor_on_the_pottershouse/

One of the many things that stands out in Potters House life is their propensity to discern the handiwork of the Devil or demons in various things. Now I hold to what I call 'plumbline theology' in that I believe that all scripture is given for reproof, correction, instruction ect and that we should measure all things against the word of God. On this basis I would have to conclude that much of what is blamed on the devil in the Potters House is pretty much built on more of a slant than a wall erected by a one eyed builder on a slope after downing 15 cans of tennants extra strong lager.

Take for example someone who is considering relocating for employment reasons. Peter 'allah' Ajala said that is one thing you definitely DON'T need to pray about. In his book any consideration to leave his church is rebellion at best and almost certainly demonically inspired. This is totaly unsupported by scripture.

Another classic is that going into a bar or pub will see you faced with hordes of demons who follow you around asking you why you are there. After all you are supposed to be a Christian. You couldn't even begin to defend that one from scripture. The same preacher who came up with that one went to a bar for a celebration meal with his wife on the eve of his leaving the church and going back for redirection. Let's hope some of theology on the demonic recieved some much needed 'redirection'.

The same man also claimed that when people start to struggle to stay awake after siting in the morning seminars at conference were being assailed by a demon of slumber who was trying to get them to miss something that God was about to say. He has the makings of a pentecostal fantasist. 

Then there was Paul Campo with the claim that backsliders furniture has a spirit. People who question the pastor have a spirit, Ministers in other churches have a spirit, anyone who teaches anything different to what we teach has a spirit and anyone who drinks alcohol is taking on a demon. I've lost count of the number of times I've overheard someone saying 'the Devil is lying to you. That's the Devil man.' I grew increasingly tired of the supposed resistance of the Devil on outreach. So much of it was so far from what scripture actually teaches it's comical.

If you want to know what the Devil and his cohorts get up to then just read the Bible. We have a prime example of his methods in the temptation of Jesus in the wilderness. I find this particularly interesting because we are the children of God.  We are said to be in Christ and Christ is working in us and through us so it should come as no surprise when we face some of the same challenges he faced.

Now this is where it gets very interesting to me because the first thing the Devil said to him was 'if you are the Son of God." The very basis of his attack was on who Christ was. It was on his identity. I see the very same thing happening to the body of Christ in the fellowship churches. Time after time your identity in Christ is thrown into doubt. Again and again they say if you are saved you would not be doing this or that or if you are really saved you would not be in a bar or you would be on outreach. Do you see how they tempt you to prove who you are in Christ? They are just like the Devil in this respect. In order to gain the power over you that they want they first have to undermine the sense of who you are. If they can do that they have a foothold. This is a classic starting point for a demonic temptation if we are to take the scriptures as our example and the Potters House is full of that.

Another mark of the temptation is the command to turn stones into bread. For us in the new testament our bread is the word of God. How often have the stones of a mere man's preaching been truned into bread before our eyes and did it sustain us? No. It wasn't the true manna from heaven. It bothered me in the fellowship. I knew it would avail nothing if the word was not from God yet time and again it was insisted on that it was and yet nothing changed. The word did not bear fruit. That's in straight contradiction to what the Bible teaches. God's word bears fruit. Potters House preaching is often carnal and induces religious pride and condemnation and self righteousness. It is often vociferously forced at us as the word of God. The pastor handed us stones and commanded us to recieve them as bread by faith. If it is the word of God then why not let the Spirit do his work? The manner you have this stuff forced upon you and are pushed to respond immediately and often with your salvation put in doubt if you don't answer the altar call has more in common with the work of the tempter than the work of the Messiah.

How often were we guilt tripped into throwing ourselves down off the top of fellowship works believing that if we gave ourselves to them then God would support us and bear us up? Did he? Often no he didn't. Again it's a case of if you're saved you'll be on outreach, you'll be on the impact team, you'll give this amount ect., ect. I've heard people say that the Potters Hosue kept them saved. Who is it that bears you up lest you dash your foot against a stone? It's God? Do you think however that he is obliged to honour your fellowship works? How often has a man thrown his whole life into the yawning chasm that is pioneering only to see himself dissapear into the fellowship black hole of history that so many others have been sucked into?

It's interesting that Jesus was tempted to throw himself off the top of the temple. The Devil will often link this kind of temptation to something of religious significance. So it is in the fellowship. The temptation is often mashed by the religiousity of the thing you are doing but it is presumptious nonetheless. Ever wondered what it was that GOD wanted you to do instead of running around doing whatever the pastor wanted thinking that God was duty bound to support you and bear you up in this. No surprise that so many come crashing back down to reality.

Mitchell was once quoted as saying, "Do what I do and you can have what I have."  To have everything that Mitch has you must submit to him completely or he will destroy you and your church if you hold onto it. The Devil's con is simple. He will give Jesus all the kingdoms of the world if Jesus would only worship him. The problem here is that if Jesus falls for it he will in trun be owned by the Devil and so Satan is not actually giving anything up. He just wants your soul as well. This is exactly how Mitch pitches his religion. You are dangled a destiny before your eyes. Revival and a church full of people, leadership, power and authority and the one requirement is that you come under Mitchell's authority totally and completely. In doing this you will find that all you build and labour for will belong to him anyway. The moment you are no longer in submission to him you will find out whom all your labours belonged to. Truly Mitchell's behaviour is like unto Satan.

When we look at the true nature of demonic temptation it bears little resemblance to what the Potters House make it out to be, yet it bears great resemblance to what the Potters House are saying and doing. It's time to ask yourself who really inspires your pastor. Are you sure that it's always God? Could it be that the Devil speaks through the same man you call 'pastor?' That would seem to measure up to the plumbline of scripture much better.

regards...naboth675  

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Escape_from_the_Fellowship/

www.slamthedoor.org 

hey ken

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Del Puckett
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Woodenshoes wrote:

[It maks you wonder how many in the ChristianFellowship Ministries had justified doubts about their church, but then the group psychology kicked in and they rejected it as an attack of the devil or something like that. It must be especially difficult to think of ones own in a group like the CFM, because the group is very controlling. Jesus Christ had a busy schedule, but He took the
time to talk to His heavenly Father alone. How about a nice vacation
with your family instead of wasting time and money during conference.]

The fellowship specializes in the group dynamic.  They isolate you from all other groups, greatly minimizing your involvement with family, friends, and associates outside of the fellowship group.  The fellowship of Wayman O. also creates a group that rebukes one another for independent thoughts.  In other words, the pastor preaches and the disciples enforce.  One way to gain points in the fellowship is by turning in a brother or sister by reporting that they said something amiss, like, "I don't know if I agree with what pastor said about that." 

There are several ways the group dynamic can be broken down.  One way is to talk to ex members.  That is why it is a major doctrine of the fellowship not to have anything to do with "backsliders."  They MUST isolate their people from ex members.  You might actually hear why someone really left and you will realize that you were lied to.  Also, they will confirm some of the thoughts you have been repressing about the fellowship and why it is not what it is made out to be.

Another way the group dynamic can be broken is by simply forsaking the public prayer meetings in favor of truly private prayer.  That is the way that Jesus taught His disciples to pray.  Once someone starts to pray alone, then the trained pattern of fellowship ritualistic prayer begins to break down.  You actually start engaging your own mind and you actual talk to God like He was a real person.  This invoking of the rational mind will start someone on the road to breaking fellowship conditioning.  Once again, you will receive major resistance if you try and switch your prayer life to a private prayer life.  The pastor will probably preach on it, and seek to negate the very teachings of Jesus Christ Himself on the subject.  "Well, I read in MY Bible that they had public prayer in the Book of Acts!  How many of you know we are a Book of Acts church?  But some super spiritual brothers, well, they are going to pray in secret.  This is nothing more than rebellion and pride......" 

Spending time with your unsaved relatives can start to snap you out of fellowship group dynamics as well.  This is especially true if they live in another region.  If you take an extended vacation to see your relatives, and are totally away from the church during that time, you may see that these folks are the ones who really care about you.  You may see through the phoney, "We are your real family," line that the fellowship tells you.

Another interesting way to break the group dynamic is to tithe and give in secret.  Only give cash.  Now, understand that this means a lot of the money you give is never going to be counted in the offering in a lot of these churches, probably most of them.  However, what you will be doing is refusing to be monitored.  Someone testified a while back that when she and her husband stopped giving publically, i.e., with checks or envelopes, and started giving cash, the husband was called in and told he could no longer be in ministry.  As I recall, this was in the big mamma church.  The reason people give publically in the fellowship is because there is a social pressure to do so.  Again, Jesus taught to give in secret, and not to give to be seen of men, but what did He know? 

What is interesting is that many of the teachings of Jesus directly attack the group dynamic.  That is why the elite Jewish groups of His day hated Him so much.  He was striking at the root of their power over their community.  The fellowship is just like this.  If anyone tries to break the group dynamic, they can get really nasty.  It is the source of their power over the people in their churches.  So don't touch that golden calf.

I am convinced that the vast majority of people would leave the fellowship if they were to get away from it for 90 days and have social involvement with other people and groups.  But everyone is so paranoid about getting away from it for even 3 days, much less 90.  So they keep everyone boxed in with religious fear and they end up wasting years of their lives, along with life's opportunities, because they have become such a part of the group.

Time to take back your individuality.  Don't buy the line that if you take 90 days to get away from that group to sort things out that you are going to miss your "destiny in God."  That is total trash and a fear tactic to keep you enslaved.  If you take a break from it, and you see through it, you will be so glad that you did.

Shalom 

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Escape_from_the_Fellowship/

Here is an interesting post about Nick by christ1_in_me2 from Naboth's message board, Slam the Door on the Potter's House.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/slamthedoor_on_the_pottershouse/

Something interesting comes to mind when you come across these guys
like Nick Sayers and others. If you have had first hand knowledge to
know/or at least observe them from within the fellowship most of the
time you won't think of them as anyone special. They aren't important
people in the fellowship eyes, they haven't pastored, aren't bible
study leaders but simply wanna be's who generally try to impress
pastors or evangists, and many don't even succeed in that either.

I remember a couple of years ago in the NSW conference I shared a room
for a couple of days with Nick. To be honest I didn't talk much with
the guy but in saying that he wasn't exactly the social chatter box
either, he didn't seem to me like he wanted to talk much anyway.
Here's the point, he's really an unknown person in the fellowship
(like others are). Most pastors are happy to let people like them
argue for the fellowship (and them) while the pastors take cover and
disappear into the background and pretend like they had nothing to do
with anything.

How many have defended their pastor to find out later (years even)
that they were wrong? How many have defended their pastor against
acusation and later the same pastor preach against them and spread
lies about them? Its a dog eat dog fellowship and how many sheep get
hurt in all the mess? More than we can count.

As if Wayman Mitchell cares about Nick defending him, what a joke!!
As if any of the PH leaders world wide care about these little people
sticking up for them. These defenders of the fellowship aren't much
more than door mats to the leaders anyway some of them at the end of
the day get stomped on by the leaders like the very people they
accuse. Funny thing that. Wipe your feet on the way out mate,
they're good for it!!
Godbless

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Escape_from_the_Fellowship/

There has been some mention of the fellowship of Wayman O. and his band of merry con men getting some media exposure.  Every now and then they do end up getting some attention, usually because something obviously extreme has happened. 

For example, when a woman in the El Paso church went to Lord Campo and told him that she had been raped by a man in the church, Campo, rather than calling the police, silenced her.  Whether you think that the rape actually occured is not the main point.  It is that a so called pastor could do that and get away with it.  I was with Campo in a motel room watching Geraldo when this woman was on his program exposing this whole mess.  Campo was distressed, to say the least.

Another example was when some idiot of a "minister" forced a very young child's hand into a bucket of blood to "scare the hell out of her."  That also made the media and a court case decided that the young girl should not be a part of that perverse religion. 

However, most of the abuses in the fellowship have to do with indoctrination and take place over a long period of time.  They also take place with the cooperation of the victims.  Even sudden outbursts, like a pastor slamming a disciple against the wall for asking the wrong questions, are not really that news worthy. 

Part of the problem is that when you try and describe what happened to us in the perverse religion of Wayman O., it tends to sound rather stupid to the average listener.  Unless you at one time were caught up in the power of destructive religion, you just don't understand the victim's account.  The listener is thinking, "Why didn't you just leave?"  My answer to those who have no reference point to our accounts is, "You had to be there."

It is very difficult to convey to someone who was never part of the fellowship how you were victimized.  How they caught you at a certain time in your life.  How you thought that you had "found God."  How you totally trusted the pastor and leaders of that foul group, just like a child trusted their abusive parents.  How you were in that state of mind in spite of being an adult.  How you were beaten down to the point that you would allow some tin god of a pastor to treat you like dirt and still render service and resources to him.

It is therefore hard to write a news story on the fellowship.  It is hard to do a TV shot.  They want something sensational, and our stories many times sound like we are a bunch of weak people who joined a stupid religion.  Mass suicide?  No, just a bunch of people wasting their lives in endless retarded church services.  Adultery?  Hey, the church down the street has that too.  Pulling hard for money?  So is the TV evangelist.  They say if you leave their church you will be damned?  The Catholics have been saying that for centuries. 

Every now and then there is something sensational enough to inspire a news story.  Then the current fellowship loyalists cry out that it is an isolated incident.  The long term damaging effects of the fellowship are the real issue anyway.  And to the average reader, listener, and viewer it is a rather boring subject.

Have you ever had the experience of trying to tell someone what happened to you in the fellowship and have them kind of want to change the subject?  That is why so many ex members seek out other ex members.  They are the only ones who understand. 

Three kinds of people generally read these message boards.  First, there is the fellowship loyalist.  They are looking for something to hate.  Not surprising, since their entire organization is built on hatred and religious bigotry.  What better target for their hatred than those "whining backsliders"?  Some come on and post at various times telling us all what cruds we are. 

The second kind is the fellowship member who is thinking about making a break for it.  They are reading in these message boards the very thoughts that they had been suppressing for years.  Some of them waver for years.  Some of them read, then repent of reading, then read, then repent of reading, for a very long time.  Finally they get out.

The third kind are, of course, the ex members.  Many more people read these message boards than post on them.  It lets them know they are not alone and confirms their own fellowship experiences.  It also helps them see that the wicked fellowship of Wayman O. is what caused so much pain and problems in their lives, and not them being "backsliders."  

The one advantage of a media story is it sparks some interest, and it probably would increase traffic on these message boards and investigation into other writings about religious cults that relate to the fellowship.  So, I would never mind seeing that happen.  But I really think the weakness of the fellowship is having sources of information like these message boards that they can't control.  Information control is essential to that organization, and thus they have the ban on associating with "backsliders."  But some people will still log on and read these message boards and other information that the leaders just don't want them to have. 

Basically, they are silent killers.  They don't draw a lot of media attention.  However, some of us have been investigating and exposing their crimes. 

Shalom

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Escape_from_the_Fellowship/

--- In slamthedoor_on_the_pottershouse@yahoogroups.com, "naboth675"
<naboth675@...> wrote:

My new website is up and ready. I've had the homepage up for a week or
so but now there are several new sections added. I will be adding
reports and accounts over the next several months.
There is also a forum and guestbook and a photo album filled with all
the pictures that have appeared on slamthedoor_on_the_pottershouse
since it's launch in june 2005. Just remember to have your sound
turned on when you view the pictures {they are on the final page}

A worldwide web search by Lycos or MSN will take you to the group.

http://www.habakkuk2-4.com

God bless you...naboth675

--- End forwarded message ---

Very impressed with your site I like the little book thing on it, I
will be updating my site and the Potters House Page

goto http://www.firstplumbline.net

--- In slamthedoor@yahoogroups.com, "naboth675" <naboth675@...> wrote:
>
> --- In slamthedoor_on_the_pottershouse@yahoogroups.com, "naboth675"
> <naboth675@> wrote:
>
> My new website is up and ready. I've had the homepage up for a week
or
> so but now there are several new sections added. I will be adding
> reports and accounts over the next several months.
> There is also a forum and guestbook and a photo album filled with
all
> the pictures that have appeared on slamthedoor_on_the_pottershouse
> since it's launch in june 2005. Just remember to have your sound
> turned on when you view the pictures {they are on the final page}
>
> A worldwide web search by Lycos or MSN will take you to the group.
>
> http://www.habakkuk2-4.com
>
> God bless you...naboth675
>
> --- End forwarded message ---
>

Something that one loyalist fellowship dude says about those of us who expose Wayman's World on the internet is that we are inventing conspiracy theories.  He further challenged us to go ahead and write our fiction.

Now there is a certain kind of fiction called historical fiction.  This is where the story is based on actual facts but the author takes the liberty to fill in a lot of details. 

So, I thought I would try my hand at it a bit and see what you think.

Lord Compost was at repose in his comfortable chair.  He was finishing his sixth meal of the day, which he foundly called a snack, and getting ready to dose off into a pleasant nap.  He was thinking about how he was indeed the spiritual overlord of the entire East Coast of the United States and Canada.  After all, had not Pope Wayman O. I declared it so.  He thought of the day when tens of millions would thank him for their salvation and deliverance from horrible lukewarm chuches.  Just as he was about to drift off, the phone rang.

He groaned within himself, "Can't these people ever let me have any peace?"

He picked up the phone and a voice said, "Pastor, I am so glad I caught you home."

Lord Compost recognized the voice as one of his disciples, John.  He was a fairly obedient and submitted fellow, so Lord Compost decided to hear him out rather than tell him he was headed out the door. 

"What's up?" said Lord Compost.

"Well," said John, "you know I just married Suzy back about six months ago.  I am having some real problems with her.  She refuses to kneel on command, if you know what I mean, and also refused to strip naked when I told her to just two days ago."

"Those are some serious violations before God," said Lord Compost.  "Your wife needs to be in perfect submission in those areas or you will never fulfill your destiny in God.  It will cause you to stumble."

"I know," said John.  "She is also complaining that I am not loving enough when we have relations and says I am a selfish pig. I was going to ask if we could come in for some counseling sessions as soon as possible.  Are you free tonight?" 

Lord Compost sighed.  In just three hours he was planning to take his own wife out to dinner, right his nap.  Talk about a high maintenance woman.  Besides, he really didn't want to bother about this at all.  And then it hit.  It was pure inspiration, and he remembered something that he could use to get out of this mess.

"Well, you don't need counseling, brother," said Lord Compost with renewed enthusiasm.  I can tell you what the problem is right now.  You borrowed some furniture from that sister, Mary, I think was her name, and then she backslid.  Do you still have that furniture?"

"Uh,yeah, but I think she is still a Christian, just goes to another church," said John.  "You know she had a tough time after the divorce and all, so she goes to a church where some her family goes."

Lord Compost became annoyed.  When will these guys learn?  "Listen, brother," he said with his voice growing stern, "her real family was the church where God placed her.  She is in rebellion, she is not saved, and she has demons of religion for sure.  Not only that, but anything she owns, including that furniture that you have in your house, has a spirit of rebellion on it.  Don't you see?  It is affecting your wife!"

"Wow, I never thought of that," said John.  "You have such great insights, pastor.  What should I do?"

Lord Compost felt the victory.  "Ok, here's what you do.  Call that backslidden witch up and tell she has 24 hours to come and get her wretched furniture or you are going to put it out by the curb.  Don't let her give you any of this she's a Christian sister crap, either.  She's a devil and you need to treat her that way.  Once you get the furniture out of the house, then I would bet money that your wife is going to be a lot more submissive and godly."

"All right, pastor.  I will do it," said John.  He thanked Lord Compost and said goodbye.

Lord Compost hung up the phone with smug satisfaction.  Not only had he avoided some counseling sessions but now he had inspiration for this Sunday's sermon.  The Curse of Backsliders, he would call it.  He would put a special emphasis on having nothing to do with them, not even their possessions. 

Lord Compost began to drift back into a pleasant nap.  He turned off the phone just in case.  He was simply contemplating which fine restuarant he was going to take his wife to.  Soon the ruler of the East Coast was snoring, dreaming about his great glory.  

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From time to time I will try and ask various fellowshippers who appear on the message boards what they think of the men who left in the 2000 exodus.  Of course, it has been about 6 years since that exodus started, and it continued into 2001.  Some of the men who left were those who had been Wayman O.'s hand picked leaders, particularly those who had run conferences.  Greg Johnson had pastored in both Prescott and Perth, and when he resigned he was pastor of the Gallup, New Mexico church, which was the conference center for the State of New Mexico. 

For those of us who were around from the 70s, the names of these men were synonymous with the fellowship itself.  These same men utterly condemned the pastors and leaders who left in 1990.  I have to wonder what those few who were in the fellowship for at least five years before the 2000 exodus thought of this departure of the leaders and pastors.  For those who came in just before these men left, they would probably have just been names.  But for anyone who had been around for a significant period of time before that event, they must have had some kind of opinion about it. 

I have tried getting some real feedback from some of the fellowshippers who show up on the message boards from time to time as to how these men who left are viewed by the current members of Waymanland.  Mostly I just get insults back, or they just dodge the question.  Since Waymanchrist himself has basically condemned these men and referred to them in very vulgar terms, if a fellowship member is not in agreement with that, then that would be a point of interest. 

The whole situation with this last great departure begs the question as to why Wayman would lose all his closest friends and associates?  This hardly reflects this great move of God, but looks more like every day petty religious clashes.  This supposed great man of God could not even reconcile with his own men?  First he couldn't tolerate Foursquare, and now he can't tolerate the fruits of his own beloved discipleship program.  It seems the guy he looks at in the mirror every day is the only one good enough for him in the long run.

I posed some questions to one fellowshipper to see if he might answer, recently on another message board:

[Yeah I agree, just like you guys are guilty of hanging around Neil
and Ken who treated me like a piece of raw sewage.

Nick.]

Actually, Nick, I have taken it easy on you.  It was you who originally came on Slam the Door and attacked the people there. 

Mitch refers to his former closest friends and associates as sewage.  You never answered my questions about what you think of the men who left in 2000.  Since your lord and apostle of faith refers to these men as dung and less loyal than dogs, do you blindly go along with that? 

Which ones of these men did you hear preach?  I am sure you must have heard Mike Mastin.  What about Hank Houghton, Bill Coolidge, Harry Hills, Greg Johnson, or Rudy Van Deirman?  Did you ever hear Keith Nicely, former pastor of Guam?  If we had attacked these men in 1999, you would have defended them. 

I am consistent in my point of view on these men, by the way.  I don't consider someone to be honorable if they leave the fellowship and then continue to teach the destructive doctrines of the fellowship of Wayman O.  Truly leaving the fellowship is judging those doctrines and moving away from them. 

So, which of those men did you hear preach and what do you think of them today?  Many hyper fellowship defenders take the position that when people leave and they cease to preach, get divorced, and cease to be Christians, that this somehow proves that they were being evil when they left.  This is, to any thinking person, flawed logic.  However, what do you guys think when someone, for example, like Greg Johnson leaves and continues to preach, stays married, and still professes faith in Jesus Christ?  Keep in mind the apostle of your faith, Wayman O., is quite bitter about Johnson opening up a church down the road from him and rejoining Foursquare.  So, what do you think of Greg Johnson?

From what I was told, by the Mighty Mitch himself and others, Bill Coolidge was extremely popular in Australia.  Bill was brought into one of those famous meetings that the do in the fellowship when Lord Wayman wanted to get rid of him, what we call here in the States a kangaroo court.  He was judged by the likes of Paul Stephens and Richard Rubi.  It was demanded that he resign his church. 

Now keep in mind Harold Warner was there.  Harold was allowed to continue pastoring even when his wife was caught in adultery.  Richard Rubi failed as a pioneer pastor and was a teenager in Harold's church when Bill Coolidge was already a leader.  But all of that didn't matter. Mitch wanted him out.

When we left Foursquare, Lord Wayman sent out a communication saying that all churches were to be sovereign, and be allowed to determine their own destiny.  Coolidge spoke to his own church board and they rejected Mitch's demand for Coolidge to resign.  In response to this Mitch sent in Scott Lamb immediately to split Coolidge's church.  Later Foley took over the break off church and continued to try and get people to leave Coolidge.

Understand, I am not Bill Coolidge's number one fan.  I had issues with the guy, but they were the same issues I had with the whole corrupt leadership deal that was set up by Lord Wayman in the first place.  My knowledge of what happened was based on my conversations with Greg Johnson and Hank Houghton.  So it is not some far off rumor I heard. 

So now there are two churches in Yuma who basically, supposedly, believe the Bible and all that, who are essentially enemies.  This is thanks to Wayman O. What is it the Bible says about those who sow discord amongst the brethren?  As an unbeliever, I just shake my head as Christian history repeats itself. Christians at each other's throats.  My advice to the people in either of those churches is to find your way to a Bible teaching church, maybe a Calvary Chapel, and just have someone teach the Bible to you for a while.  Or get out of churches all together for a season and read the Bible for yourself, deciding for yourself what you believe. 

OK, Nick.  You are saying that we treat you so badly.  I have been civil in this post.  Do you think you could give a civil and intelligent reply?

Thanks

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One glaring aspect of Wayman O.'s "ministry" is he has continuously sowed discord and hatred amongst Christians.

Wayman is also one who despises people in general.  The only people he treats with any apparent kindness are those who submitted to him and in awe of his position and power in that religious world of his.  Basically, he treats everyone like a subordinate.  But if the world reacts to his haughty attitude, it is just written off as the world hating God, Jesus, and the gospel. 

However, to any thinking person, it is really hard to write off his attitude towards believers.  He treats them with contempt, demands they pretty much bow to him, and he attacks anyone who displeases him. 

Right from the start of my attending the Door in Tucson I heard about the denomination that we belonged to, Foursquare.  Nothing but mockery and criticism was offered concerning Foursquare.  The pastor would joke that you couldn't take a convert to a Foursquare conference unless they were saved at least 2 years, or they would backslide. 

The Little Big Man in Prescott himself preached sermons directly aimed at the leadership of his own denomination.  He constantly inferred that they were dead religious people with no anointing, and eventually painted them out to be the enemies of revival.  One of the issues that Foursquare leaders brought up to Lord Wayman at his last meeting with them was the fact that he was constantly referring to the leadership as less than Christian.  Wayman refused to back down and opted to get out of Foursquare, convincing the pastors in the fellowship to go with him and pronouncing a curse on Foursquare.

Other churches were constantly mocked from the day I started attending the Door as well.  There was a Charismatic church across town that was growing much faster than the Door.  In fact they were at more than 10 times the size at one point.   So we were fed contempt for this church, and their growth was chalked up to their being lukewarm and uncommitted.  They were those who refused to pay the price of real Christianity, and that was why they were growing. 

That was just one example.  Just about every church in United States was subject to scorn.  No one was doing what we were doing and they were all substandard churches and believers.  Most of them probably weren't really saved and were totally unprepared for Jesus to come back.

The bottom line of all this is that Wayman O. was passing down his own hatred of other Christians.  Because he did this, we disdained any fellowship with them.  We looked at them as being beneath us and those who would only pollute us with their lukewarmness.  And that is the effect he wanted.  He wanted to think that the only way we could truly be right with God was to be a part of his fellowship and so we wouldn't even consider going to another church. 

We were taught to really despise those who left our churches and went to other churches.  This is where it gets really ugly.  People who had known each other for years, who ate together, sang songs in church together, labored in music groups and acting troups together, and many other things, were now caused to be separated.  The puppet master in Prescott was not going to let people who left his glorious fellowship still see or talk to "his" people. 

People who left were painted out to be traitors to God, even if they remained Christians.  They were seen as "enemies of the cross."  Mitch successfully has taught the people in his church to literally hate those who leave, while professing concern that they would "come back to God."  This in the face of what the New Testament says about the consequences of hating your brother or sister in Christ.  Of course they will deny that they really hate them, but they do.  In fact, they are even taught to curse those who leave.

A pastor I preached for boasted to me that after he received personal instruction from Wayman O. on how to curse the people who left his church. He further boasted that a certain couple who left the church had a boating accident and lost a $100,000 engine.  He cursed them because they were fairly wealthy and when they left it hurt his church's income significantly.  Never mind being grateful for all the money they did give, they left, going another church, and taking "God's money" out of "the kingdom."  So he cursed them in prayer.  That is an act of hatred, plain and simple.

When pastors and leaders started to break off the fellowship we were told that they had the spirit of rebellion.  I had Ron Jones scheduled to preach in January of 1990, but had to cancel because he was now considered an enemy of the state.  He who was just a few months before a hero of the faith in the fellowship was now considered a liar, a convenant breaker, and a tool of Satan.  It was as though we were literally ordered by Wayman O. to hate Ron Jones, to pray against him, and to have ill will towards him.  Why?  Ron was still a Christian, still a pastor, and still preaching the gospel.

Anyone who dared to disrupt the Mighty Mitch's iron clad control and the flow of money up the pyramid that led directly to him was declared totally evil.  That was what Ron Jones was doing.  He wanted to be his own fellowship just like Wayman.  That's not allowed.

Ron's fellow leaders, who he knew for up to 2 decades would suddenly have nothing to do with him.  Ironically, many of these same men would later have the same experience of having their close friends and fellow leaders despise them and preach nasty sermons about them. 

The man behind all this?  The one and only Wayman O.  He has successfully gotten so many Christians to hate each other that it is staggering.  From the people in the churches despising ex members and Christians from other churches to leaders disowning each other, praying against each other, and trying to destroy each other's churches. 

Jesus said you would know them by their fruits.  If the root the evil, the fruit will be evil.  The members of the fellowship have been taught to hate fellow believers, especially ex members of that religious world.  The contempt that they treat other Christians with is such a contradiction to the idea of loving your neighbor as yourself.

I would make odds in Las Vegas that when that little fellow in Prescott passes away that many will no longer hate each other.  Some of the pastors and leaders who left will renew relationships.  You can see this is true because when people leave many of them look up others who left before them.  Without the Pope of Prescott forbidding them to associate with each other they have no real reason not to be friends.

3 John 9-10

I wrote something to the church; but Diotrephes, who loves to be first among them, does not accept what we say.  For this reason, if I come, I will call attention to his deeds which he does, unjustly accusing us with wicked words; and not satisfied with this, he himself does not receive the brethren, either, and he forbids those who desire to do so and puts them out of the church.

Shalom

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Here is a reply by Budobhag posted on Escape From the Fellowship.

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Often I have wondered about Mitch. What makes makes him play people
off their weaknesses? The religion of Christianity is a powerful
weapon to put the fear of God and eternal damnation up someone's
arse. Small mans sydrome?, Greed?, Meglomania perhaps! With the
frequent comments he blurts out, I've even thought maybe he's a
latent homosexual. Then again, he could have been a homosexual all
the time but just never came out....

Regards...

Here is a reply by George Potkonyak posted on Escape From the Fellowship.

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budobhag writes:

[Often I have wondered about Mitch. What makes makes him play people off
their weaknesses. The religion of Christianity is a powerful weapon to put
the fear of God and eternal damnation up someone's arse. Small mans
sydrome?, Greed?, Meglomania perhaps!]

From all what I heard Mitch preaching I conclude that he is just a shrewd
businessman. He has found a source of unlimited wealth potential which he
can exploit to his pleasure without giving an account to anybody.

In his "famous" biography written by Ron Simpkin, of which Mitch obviously approved, Simpkin wrote that Mitch was a man (of course, before he got "saved") who would not hesitate to turn a drunk man over and empty his pockets, if I remember correctly what I read.

Now, he doesn't have to do it to strangers: he has enough of his own
followers who he gets so drunk that they will turn their own pockets
inside-out and empty them "at the feet of the apostle".

A born crook who has not changed his ways. He was a petty thief and has
now grown to be a big-time "respected" thief.

shalom,
george

Here is a reply by naboth675 posted on Escape From the Fellowship.

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Then again he may be just one of those people who naturally reacts
against anyone who is different to him. {Think of how the
discipleship process churns out hundreds of men who act like and
even speak like him. That's the product of a hyper control
discipleship system. That's how Mitchell wants it.}I've been told
he's been heard to utter racist comments as well. Personally I think
that's where he gets his self validation from. In putting down
others. The fact that you might actually like someone different to
or seperate from his control leaves him feeling very undermined thus
he has to destroy all he cannot control.

This may explain his hatred of psychologists and councellors. It has
little or nothing to do with their percieved unbiblical foundations
of belief but more to do with a deep insecurity he has with anyone
who might be able to see him for who he really is. For that reason
he lashes out at and scorns them as he will toward anybody who
threatens to see him as anything less than a great man of God.

Think of how Nick behaves to anyone who questions Mitchell's
character. The hyper control discipleship process works well. Nick
reacts to negative analysis of Mitchell with the same emotion that
Mitchell himself would react. The typical Potters House disciple
will find his identity and validation in Mitchell. Mitchell finds
his identity and validation in himself and he believes himself to be
a great man. Anyone different to him or thinks differently is
inferior and therefore put down. Mitchell is his own god, {'Jehovah
Wayman' if you will} The standard by which all humanity is judged.
{and oh boy does Mitchell like to judge}

Thay are my thoughts on the matter anyway.

regards...naboth675

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I was part of CFM about ten years ago.  By any chance, has anybody
come in contact with or no the where abouts of either of the Dean
Brothers.  Both were Pastors in the Fellowship.  One of them pastored
in Utah, and left his wife, and had moved to Las Vegas, NV.  I am
trying get contact with either of them.  If you have any info, could
you please email me at paztor@...    Thanks

First of all let me say that this is going to be a long post.  I am going to be quoting from several other posts from the message board, The Cracked Pots.  So, there is a bit of reading here.

The Cracked Pots has no moderator, and anyone can join and post.  A fellowship supporter from Austalia, named Nick, likes to post there and generally malign those of us who expose Wayman's World, i.e., the fellowship.  He particular seems to be fond of attacking me, constantly calling me a liar based on the fact that I at one time did a parody of a couple of fellowship zealots.  Nick affirms over and over again that this means I am an untrustworthy liar and absolutely nothing I say should be believed.  This is faulty reasoning, of course, but this is a fellowship guy.

That brings me to my point.  What we have before us is a rare opportunity to see the religious mind at work.  I caught Nick lying in black and white.  This happened when I brought up the Fiji issue again, with Wayman O. suing the church there which dared to leave his fellowship.  Linda Gregory had tried to get Nick to back off certain things, but Nick, in true fellowship fashion kept diverting to a minor issue of whether or not some girl he met in Fiji was scared of him or not. 

I brought up the larger issue of Nick slandering Larry Gregory, saying that he did not consider Larry a real Christian.  Nick then denied this. 

I will pick up now with my post.

The Fiji Issue

[The real issue of slandering Larry Gregory as a bitter, lying,
thieving backslider was never addressed by the fellowship low life
who accused him on these message boards. The "man" who accused him
is avoiding this issue. Larry Gregory is today a Christian pastor
who preaches the gospel.

This reveals that there is no regard for the truth among those who
idolize a religious parasite in Prescott. The fact that Wayman O.
is suing the church in Fiji, trying to take their property, is
ignored. This is a direct violation of the New Testament, but what
else is new? The Bible has no authority over the Pope of Prescott.

Mitch is a vicious, vengeful man. He is angry that when Larry was
forced out of the fellowship, that Mitch was unable to split and
destroy the church, as is his custom to do. So now he is, five
years later, suing on a totally false basis. Besides, he shouldn't
be suing a fellow Christian if he is a Christian himself. Obviously
he is not.

I would have to consider if the Bible is true that Larry Gregory is
a Christian pastor in good standing with God. Why is there no
apology for slandering him? Because if Mitch says Larry is evil,
then he has to be evil, no matter what the Bible says.

So, when someone tries to come off as this great Bible student, and
doesn't even acknowledge the basics, I sit back and laugh, and
realize that he doesn't believe the Bible any more than I do. He
just believes the Mighty Mitch. How sadly funny.

Shalom]

The issue that I am dealing with here is Lord Wayman suing a church for their property.  The Bible clearly forbids a Christian suing another and states rather that the elders of the church should decide such matters.  However, Mitch never allows for any group of elders other than a group he controls.  The excuse that was given for this by fellowshippers, including Nick, is that Larry Gregory is not really a Christian. 

Here is Nick's reply:

[Ken you liar I never said such things, i just said what I
experienced first hand. Thats it. Mrs Gregory accused me of lying
and assumed that I was just gasbagging. I know what I saw and
experienced, and unlike you Ken am not a compolsive liar.

Nick.]

Now I knew that Nick had said these things and a simple search of the messages revealed this to be true.  So, I replied back to Nick:

I said:

[The real issue of slandering Larry Gregory as a bitter, lying,
thieving backslider was never addressed by the fellowship low life
who accused him on these message boards. The "man" who accused him
is avoiding this issue. Larry Gregory is today a Christian pastor
who preaches the gospel.]



Nick said:

[Ken you liar I never said such things, i just said what I
experienced first hand. Thats it. Mrs Gregory accused me of lying
and assumed that I was just gasbagging. I know what I saw and
experienced, and unlike you Ken am not a compolsive liar.

Nick.]



Oh, really?

Message 2946

Nick said:

[The bible forbids believers going to court against believers in the
book of Corinthians. But Mitchell isn't dealing with believers. I
saw the fruit first hand of the Pr Larry Gregory ordeal and I would
say that that guy is no a Christian, neither are his disciples who
rebuked me for street preaching in Lautoka. For him to lie to his
disciples about so much confirms to me that he was a complete rebel,
it was obvious and is still obvious.]

Nick also said:

[The above is not about rebellion and backsliding, but about
believers in the same local church going to court against each
other. Liberal Christians use the above to condone being unlawful to
other Christians. Gregory didn't own the church, the fellowship did.
I had personally put money towards the church! I wanted a fellowship
church, not an AOG!]


message 2345

Nick said:

[The Aussie slam the door site which was run by Neil Taylor has been
shut down. Neil was a pastor and a good friend of mine until about
2000. His wife left him to become a lesbian, and he has made a site
called the crackpots along with Frank Mitchell, Tom Smiliovituis,
Lionel Letcher, and Larry Gregory.]



You stated clearly that Larry is not a Christian. Are you saying that
he was never a Christian? Or are you saying that he is backslidden to
justify your King of the Religious Maggots?

You are saying that Larry didn't own the church. He never said he did,
but in pulling it out of the fellowship of Wayman's Religious Sewage,
you are essentially saying that he stole it. Is it an Assembly of God
Church now? Isn't the real issue whether or not the people in it are
saved and loving God, rather than whether or not Lord Wayman controls
it? You called Larry a thief.

You called Larry a liar, Nick. It is in the above post that you wrote.
Did you forget about that one? Or were you just, Wayman forbid, lying?
You never said those things? Are you sure? You are an idiot or a liar,
take your pick.

Larry Gregory had nothing to do with the starting of Cracked Pots. I
think Loki was putting you on.

Liar again, Nick. You are the real liar, for everyone to see.

Hypocrite, liar, proud, haughty, twisted, immature, arrogant,
unteachable, perverse, and an accuser. Yes, you are a disciple of
Wayman O.

A total joke of a "man".

*****

So what would be the response?  Obviously we are dealing with a genuine liar.  Maybe he thought no one would bother to look up his slander of Larry Gregory.  Who knows?  But he is caught in his lies. 

This is where the religious mind goes to work.  A good, honest man would apologize for having said such stuff, and apologized for lying to cover up that he had said it.  But the religious mind doesn't work that way.

Nick's reply:

[Don't quote me out of context. I didn't know what Larry was doing
until Mrs Gregory told me. I said that I was happy for them (why not
find that post) I said that before I knew that he was still pursuing
chritian endevors. You and Loki are so much like the scribes
Pharasees and hypocrites of Jesus' day, trying to manipulate and
catch me in my words.

If you told me you were in a wheelchair yesterday, should I be
condemned for saying you should go for a run around the park the day
before? How was I to know? As far as I knew, Gregory had just
totally gone off the rails. I don't know if his wife is lying, (I
give her the benifit of the doubt - much more than she gave me) but
she said he is doing great. Until she said that - from what I had
seen heard and experienced until then - I concluded otherwise.

You are a conman Ken. Loki why are you bothering to condemn the
guiltless. Leave God, the church, Wayman Mitchell and myself alone
and I will depart from the net compleatly.

Nick.]

First of all he accuses me of quoting him out of context.  I quoted whole paragraphs, so that is retarded.

Second, he does not address his obvious lies.  He stated that he never said about Larry Gregory what he actually did say. 

Third, he never apologized for saying it, blaming his false accusation on him having insufficient facts.  So, he condemns people without sufficient facts?  Wonderful.

Fourth, he never addresses the issue of Lord Wayman suing a fellow Christian.  Time would fail me to tell of Mitch's intense accusations against Foursquare for "stealing the houses of God."  Nick refuses to judge his lord in the face of the facts.  In his previous post his says that "liberal Christians" use the Bible to condemn suing another Christian.  I guess the Apostle Paul was a liberal. 

There is another aspect to this that is very much the religious mind at work.  Nick likens myself and Perry to the scribes and Pharisees trying to catch Jesus in His words.  This goes back to the idea that is in the religious mind that says that they, the fellowship, are always the good guys, and anyone who does something terrible, like catch them lying, is the bad guy.  So I, an agnostic, and Perry, a Buddhist, are Jewish scribes in Nick's mind.  And Nick?  Why he is Jesus, of course.  You just have to read between the lines.

This is exactly how Wayman O. presents these situations.  Anyone who comes against him is the evil one, no matter what the evidence points to.  If I catch Nick lying, then it is I who am evil.  Make sense?  You have to engage the religious mind and then you will see it all.

The only way I could see the religious mind being defeated in this situation would be for Nick to come to grips with reality.  He would need to admit that it was he, not Perry or I, who condemned the guiltless, that is, Larry Gregory.  He would need to admit he lied about doing so.  But most of all, he would need to see Wayman O. as he really is, not the great man of God, but the power mad little religious dictator that he is.  If Nick would follow through on these things then the power of the religious mind would be broken.  

Unfortunately most fellowship guys won't do this.  It almost always takes a personal crisis in which the evil power of the fellowship takes aim directly at the person for them to snap out of it.  Then no one will listen to them either.  One can only hope that in the face of such black and white facts that someone would allow themselves to think logically for long enough to break the fellowship's delusion.  

By Nick's own severe standards, no one should believe anything he writes from now on.  Those are his standards, and he needs to live by them.

Shalom

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I surrendered my life to Jesus at a poter's house here in Utah. The
pastor was not like all the horror stories I've read about. His pastor
seems to fit the picture painted here though. I moved and have been to
a handful of denominations now and looking back notice some problems
but nothing severe.

  What I am worried about is my friend in Roswell, NM. How is this one?
My friend has become VERY bitter against God. This happened before
moving back to NM. She has told me how they turned against her when
getting pregnant as a teen. Her mom still attends Potter's House as
far as I know. If all she has had in all but 5 years of her life is a
legalistic image of God, I really think I need to speak to her. Maybe
she is bitter because she has never truly tasted freedom?

  So, all that just to ask about the fellowship in Roswell.

Thanks,
Jasmin

I decided to start a new message board that is specifically for ex members that want to do a little online acting. 

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Waymans_World_Playhouse/

I rather enjoyed doing a few portrayals here and there, and then when these potterheads finally figured out it was me, they used it to do a smear campaign.  Well, this time we will be up front about it.  You can be serious, or humorous, or anything in between and make up any names you want.  I pretty much outlined it in the first message.  So pop over there if you are interested.  The group description clearly states the purpose, and so no more of this retarded nonsense that we are deceiving the poor potterheads.

Shalom

A while back someone mentioned a document that Lord Wayman the First is having pastors and leaders sign.  The purpose of this document is to have control of all churches and their resources, and to force any pastor who wants to leave the fellowship to surrender the church without a fight.  The document specifies the surrender of both physical and human resources, according to what we were told.

The idea of mentioning human resources is interesting, and I have mocked that ever since I heard it.  This shows Wayman's real view of people in his churches.  They are resources.  They are HIS resources.  This would mean that a pastor would not only surrender the church, but not open another one in the area that would allow members of Wayman's World to attend. 

Fellowship "doctrines" are designed to transform people from healthy human beings, who look out for their own best interests, into human resources whose primary function is to benefit Wayman O. and those high up in his leadership structure.  People are told to put aside self interest for the interests of "the kingdom."  This is all disguised as people giving up what is in their own best interests for Jesus and God, but that is not what they are doing at all. 

People give up educations, careers, life experiences, time with their families, and vital resources to "bless" the leadership.  They are told that this will bring a far superior "blessing" on their lives to what they would have had if they had not sacrificed for "the kingdom."  Those who do attain any level of prosperity will be paraded about as "proof" that God blessed them, but an examination of those people would bring the conclusion that they would have done even better had they not been in the Potter's House.  In other words, some people still prosper in spite of the fact that Wayman and the boys are bleeding them. 

The vast majority of people in those churches, however, are being severely hurt in terms of the long run of their lives.  All someone would have to do is sit down and in their minds reverse all the sacrifice that they made for the kingdom of Wayman, and they would instantly know that they would have been incredibly better off had they never darkened the door of one of those perverse "chruches."  If they just sit down and calculate if they had invested the money that they gave Lord Wayman into any sensible investment, how much they would have today, that alone would show how much this man has drained from their lives.

Time would fail to talk of loss of education, career, and life experiences.  There are people who would have had amazing careers that they will never have thanks to Wayman O. and his perverse teachings.  There are people who had once in a life time educational opportunities that will never come again.  They gave them up for "the kingdom."  There are people who would have had a much better and stronger relationship with their families, both in and out of the fellowship, had they not been forced into an obscene amount of church activity and attendance.  The loss vacations with their kids when they were young.  The loss kids suffered missing out on doing things with the other kids at school.  Missing out on proms, and school plays, and all kinds of other healthy social activities to "serve God."  Alienating themselves from the other kids because they were to give a radical, "in your face," presentation of the gospel of Waymanchrist.

You see, when someone views people as human resources they tend to use them up, just like any other resource.  Wayman O. doesn't lose a wink of sleep over the lives he has ruined.  As long as he has all that he craves in his own little religious world, then he is happy.  We are dealing with a man who literally has no conscience.  Not only does he not care about the thousands of lives he has severely damaged and ruined, he seeks to add more pain to people that finally escape his perverse religious prison.  This is passed down all through the fellowship.  Ex members are used for sermons, they are shunned, they are cursed in prayer, spouses are encouraged to divorce their mates who leave, children are turned against parents who leave, churches are horribly split to destroy the pastor who dared to leave, and then when ex members cry out they are called slanderers and devils.  Wayman O. even uses ex members as much as he can.

This reveals that Lord Wayman the First is not just an "imperfect" man.  He is extremely evil.  I consider him the most evil human being I have ever met.  He can be quite charming, and seem like the nicest guy on the planet.  But considering what he does to people's lives you would be hard pressed to find anyone who is truly more wicked.  Current fellowship members laugh at that and talk about how many people love and admire the Little Big Man.  Yes, and so did Hitler's followers point out the millions that loved and admired him.  People in the fellowship just don't get it until they leave and they have the fellowship boot heel kick them in the teeth.

So, if you are in the Wayman O. fellowship, you are not a beloved brother or sister.  You are a human resource.  Take a good look at people who served for years, and even decades, who left, and were then treated like so much trash to be put out by the curb.  Do you cheer as your pastor mocks them from the pulpit?  Take a good look at what is really going on.  When you leave you will treated the same way, as will the pastor who is mocking those who left.  Many of the leaders who mocked those who left in 1990 were likewise mocked when they left in 2000 and 2001.  Open your eyes and see what the long term fruit of the Wayman O. fellowship really is.  It is a legacy of using people up and moving on to fresh victims.  The sooner you get out, the more you will minimize the damage that is being done to you. 

If you are in the fellowship, you are NOT living for Jesus.  You are living for Wayman O. and his leaders.  You are a human resource and they are going to take you and your family for everything they can get.  Had enough yet?

Shalom

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Escape_from_the_Fellowship/

For over thirty years now, Wayman O. has been marketing his brand of religion.  He employs some basic tactics, which he has passed down to his subleaders, that I wanted to just go over in this post.

First, Wayman O. uses the gospel of Jesus Christ.  It is a tool for him, nothing more.  He learned years ago that you could attract converts with this "good news" of Jesus Christ dying for sinners and granting them eternal life.  So, part of his program is getting converts through that message.

However, he only uses that message to convert people.  The religion that he teaches these converts is actually in total contradiction to the message that he uses to make those converts. People are lured in with a message of hope and faith, and they are then taught a religion that enslaves them.  The Book of Galatians talks about men who came to that church and began to teach the members "another gospel," and "another Jesus," which were in contradiction to the gospel and Jesus that Paul preached.  In Wayman O.'s case, he plays both parts, or his organization is set up that way.  In other words, the gospel message is preached, and then the people are taught another gospel and another Jesus.

First people are given the Jesus who loves them, died for them, and gave them assurance of forgiveness and eternal life.  Then they are given the Jesus who is constantly threatening them to take away their salvation if they don't keep the religion of the Potter's House of Waymanchrist.  They are told salvation is free, and that Jesus has forgiven all their sins, and then they are told that they must work, give, and be totally dedicated to a religion or the same Jesus will cease to forgive them. 

They put people through a transition process.  As new converts they are handled with kid gloves.  As soon as they have gotten "locked in," then they are taught this other gospel.  The fellowship loses almost all the people who pray a "sinner's prayer" at the altar calls that they do.  They keep a small percentage and this is the source of their growth, or at least the maintaining of the organization, as it mostly is today.  They keep them long enough to get them through the transition from people who are joyously living in the finished work of Jesus, to those who are constantly put upon to do more and more to stay "right with God."

It is hidden from someone who is persuaded to receive the free salvation of Jesus what will really be required of them.  If the fellowship were honest, then they would tell perspective converts the truth.  They would tell them that they are offering a religion that is extremely demanding.  They would tell them of the "real requirements" to make it to heaven.  Just receive Jesus and what He did on the cross?  Not a chance. 

They should hand out literature that says something like:

Greetings in the name of Waymanchrist.  We are urging you to join our religion and by doing so earn your salvation.  In order to get to heaven you will need to remain a member in good standing of our fellowship for the rest of your life.  You must surrender a great deal of your free choice in order to do this.  There are many things that will be required of you if you want to actually make it to heaven.  You will be expected to attend church as much as possible, and keep in mind we have a lot of services.  Missing church for anything other than having to be at work will not be tolerated.  If your work schedule interferes with church then you will be expected to do everything you can to adjust that.

You must give at least 10% of your gross income, from any source, to the church at all times.  There will be no excuse excepted for not doing this.  You should pay this money by check or put cash in one of the church envelopes so that we can be sure you are in obedience in this area.  You should be willing to give above your 10% and to sacrifice your needs and the needs of your family to do this.  You are to pay us first before you pay anything else, including groceries, rent, car payments, etc. 

You must accept your pastor as your spiritual leader.  You must take what he says to you as being from the mouth of God.  You must submit to your pastor even if you think he is wrong.  You must obey your pastor even if your husband or wife objects.  However, you must never blame your pastor for any bad decisions you make, even if he advised you.  You must be willing to see your pastor financially blessed and must never question how much he makes.  You must be willing to see your pastor financially blessed, even when you and your family are in great need, and must never expect financial help from the church no matter how much money you have given. You must accept any new pastor that Waymanchrist or his subleaders appoint to your church, even if that man is a recycled adulterer. 

You are to put the pastor and the members of the church above your family members who are not members of Waymanchrist's kingdom.  You are to view the pastor as your true father, and the members of the church as your true family.  You are to brutally witness to your family members and try to recruit them for the kingdom of Waymanchrist.  If they refuse to be converted you must minimize your involvement with them.

You are to sacrifice vacation time to go to fellowship conferences.  You are never to take a vacation without prior approval of the pastor.  If you get married in the church, you must clear all activities in connection with the wedding with the pastor.  You are to limit the time spent on your honeymoon according to the commandments the pastor.  You are only to marry someone from the kingdom of Waymanchrist.  You must be willing to divorce your spouse should they no longer have blind loyalty to Waymanchrist and your pastor.

You will despise most other churches, and any churches that Waymanchrist despises.  You will mock other Christians as lukewarm.  You will shun ex members, and especially those who go to churches that Waymanchrist despises.  You will disown close friends and family members who leave the kingdom of Waymanchrist and criticize it.  You will hate whoever Waymanchrist hates.   

Ok, I'll stop there.  But I could go on.  It is amazing to consider how the message of the Wayman O. fellowship goes from, Jesus died for your sins and is offering you eternal life for free, to this enslaving religion. Now imagine telling some new convert that this is what they are getting into.  The kingdom of Waymanchrist is built on total deception and maniputlation.  It takes people from faith in Jesus to the works of Waymanchrist.

I have just been thinking about this a bit, and how they switch out the gospel of Jesus Christ for the religion of Wayman O.  Quite a little religious con game they have going.

Shalom

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Escape_from_the_Fellowship/

Recent discussion of whether or not Lord Chucky, aka, Greg Mitch, will inherit the throne reminded me of something one of the original leaders said to me in the early 90s.  He said that if Lord Wayman died the fellowship would shatter into a thousand pieces.  His hope was that the Pope of Prescott would last until Jesus returned.  That leader left the fellowship back in 2001.

Trying to predict what will happen when Wayman O. the First departs this world is like trying to predict the weather when there is a lot going on.  Sometimes meterologists have it easy, with familiar weather patterns.  However, there are times when there are too many factors, and you will hear them changing their predictions on almost an hourly basis. 

We have a lot of factors before us in the "what will happen when Mitch dies" senario.  It has been mentioned that Greg Mitch might depart before his dad, due to his illness.  Some with Greg's condition live into their 70s, but many die in the 30s.  He is in between, and so we can't know for sure how that is going to play out.

In the earlier days of the fellowship, Harold Warner was the heir apparent.  That time has long ago past, and Warner is not even on the new and improved board of elders.  Also, it is very likely that he will die before Lord Wayman.  An interesting question to ask is who will take the Tucson church when Warner goes?

So, if both Greg and Warner were out of the picture, who would Mitch leave as the new Pope of Waymanland?  Some have thought Joe Campbell.  Paul Campo fancied himself as the best replacement for Mitch, but his health has not been very good lately either.  Who else is there?

The fellowship is not built on the rock of the revelation that Jesus, Y'shusa, is the Christ, the Messiah.  It is built on Main Man Mitch being the preeminent man of God in the earth today.  Waymanchrist is holding the fellowship together with threats.  If you don't play ball he will seek to remove you as pastor.  If you try to leave with the church, then he has shown that he will brutally split your church and seek to destroy it.  If you don't pay your protection money, that is, your church tithe into the tithing pyramid, then he will seek for your career as a fellowship pastor.  I don't think there is anyone who could take Mitch's place who could be as intimidating as Mitch is.  Without those threats, I think that leader was right when he said it will shatter into a thousand pieces. 

I can see small fellowships emerging, but I can also see mass exodus of people and the collapsing of churches.  I can see some real power struggles.  Those at the top will be desperate to keep their lifestyle the same, and will probably draw disciples after themselves as much as they can.  The ones who are large and strong enough to do conferences will try and build a fellowship around themselves and have at least a small tithing pyramid. 

I still would rather see a lot of this happen while Waymanchrist is alive.  But, we may have to wait for him to be out of the picture before the whole thing falls apart.

Those are my thoughts on the subject.

Shalom to you

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Escape_from_the_Fellowship/

Hi i was wondering if their was any photos and info on this so i can
add it to my exposay site, thanks.

miguel hayworth

miguel_hayworth@...

Does anyone have any info on The Door - Chandler, AZ?  I was a part of
this church for several years.  I moved on and was maintaining a
friendship with several members, but they are now making that difficult
now that I have found a new church.

You can find info on the door at,
http://www.firstplumbline.net/html/thepottershouse.html



--- In slamthedoor@yahoogroups.com, "nbcbravo" <nbcbravo@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any info on The Door - Chandler, AZ?  I was a part of
> this church for several years.  I moved on and was maintaining a
> friendship with several members, but they are now making that difficult
> now that I have found a new church.
>

I AM ANGRY....VERY ANGRY....I AM A SON OF A WHO WAS
JUST "DISCIPLINED" AT A POTTERS HOUSE IN CALIFORNIA.  THIS IS A MAN
WHO HAS ABOUT 25 YEARS OR MORE IN THE FELLOWSHIP....ABOUT 2 YEARS
AGO HE HAD A FALLOUT WITH A YOUNG PASTOR AND WENT TO ANOTHER
CHURCH.  HE WAS DOING FINE...HE LOVES POTTERS HOUSE HE WOULD GO PICK
UP PEOPLE, PRAY FOR PEOPLE, AND GO ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT THE CHURCH
ASKED OF HIM.  THIS WAS HIS LIFE.  NOW TO HIS SUPRISE....HE HAD A
MEETING WITH A YOUNG PASTOR AND HIS PASTOR THEY ARE BOTH UNDER
RICHARD COX (LEADER OF THIS AREA) NOW...THEY TOLD HIM HE COULDNT GO
TO CHURCH OR TALK TO ANY MEMBER OF THE POTTERS HOUSE OTHER THAN HIS
FAMILY BECAUSE THEY CAUGHT HIM ON THE SLAM THE DOOR POSTING
MESSAGES.  PROBLEM IS....MY DAD IS OLD HE DOESNT EVEN HAVE
EMAIL...VERY IMPATIENT MAN...NOT VERY COMPUTER LITERATE. SO TO
ME...THEY WERE JUST AFTER HIM WHY? I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW.  IF ANYONE
OUT THERE CAN HELP ME IT WOULD BE A PLEASURE, I WOULD LIKE TO GET
LEGAL ADVICE ON SUING FOR LIBEL. THEY ARE DRAGGING HIS NAME THROUGH
THE DIRT.  LISTEN, I THOUGHT YOU GO AND SERVE GOD...ITS NOT THE ELKS
LODGE, OR A CLUB....I WOULDNT WANT MONETARY..BUT A LETTER OF
APOLOGY...WITH EVERY LEADERS SIGNATURE ON IT ESPECIALLY FRANK AMADO
AND RICHARD COX.  AND IF YOU ARE ON HERE AND YOU ARE FROM THE
POTTERS HOUSE, QUESTION IS....ARE YOU A MODERATOR, OR WHAT...THE
GESTAPO...CIA MAYBE....I DONT CARE IF YOU READ THIS...HAVE PROOF OF
DOCUMENTS....I WILL KEEP IN TOUCH WITH YOU ALL ABOUT THIS MATTER. I
WILL NOT LET THIS DIE...UNTIL I DO!@!!!!

hi send what you got to miguel@... then i will post it
on my web site

Miguel

www.firstplumbline.net

and I will post it also on our blog site.

http://firstplumbline.blogspot.com/

this dangerous apostate cult needs exposing.

http://www.firstplumbline.net/html/thepottershouse.html

--- In slamthedoor@yahoogroups.com, "lilchurchguy" <lilchurchguy@...>
wrote:
>
> I AM ANGRY....VERY ANGRY....I AM A SON OF A WHO WAS
> JUST "DISCIPLINED" AT A POTTERS HOUSE IN CALIFORNIA.  THIS IS A MAN
> WHO HAS ABOUT 25 YEARS OR MORE IN THE FELLOWSHIP....ABOUT 2 YEARS
> AGO HE HAD A FALLOUT WITH A YOUNG PASTOR AND WENT TO ANOTHER
> CHURCH.  HE WAS DOING FINE...HE LOVES POTTERS HOUSE HE WOULD GO
PICK
> UP PEOPLE, PRAY FOR PEOPLE, AND GO ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT THE CHURCH
> ASKED OF HIM.  THIS WAS HIS LIFE.  NOW TO HIS SUPRISE....HE HAD A
> MEETING WITH A YOUNG PASTOR AND HIS PASTOR THEY ARE BOTH UNDER
> RICHARD COX (LEADER OF THIS AREA) NOW...THEY TOLD HIM HE COULDNT GO
> TO CHURCH OR TALK TO ANY MEMBER OF THE POTTERS HOUSE OTHER THAN HIS
> FAMILY BECAUSE THEY CAUGHT HIM ON THE SLAM THE DOOR POSTING
> MESSAGES.  PROBLEM IS....MY DAD IS OLD HE DOESNT EVEN HAVE
> EMAIL...VERY IMPATIENT MAN...NOT VERY COMPUTER LITERATE. SO TO
> ME...THEY WERE JUST AFTER HIM WHY? I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW.  IF ANYONE
> OUT THERE CAN HELP ME IT WOULD BE A PLEASURE, I WOULD LIKE TO GET
> LEGAL ADVICE ON SUING FOR LIBEL. THEY ARE DRAGGING HIS NAME THROUGH
> THE DIRT.  LISTEN, I THOUGHT YOU GO AND SERVE GOD...ITS NOT THE
ELKS
> LODGE, OR A CLUB....I WOULDNT WANT MONETARY..BUT A LETTER OF
> APOLOGY...WITH EVERY LEADERS SIGNATURE ON IT ESPECIALLY FRANK AMADO
> AND RICHARD COX.  AND IF YOU ARE ON HERE AND YOU ARE FROM THE
> POTTERS HOUSE, QUESTION IS....ARE YOU A MODERATOR, OR WHAT...THE
> GESTAPO...CIA MAYBE....I DONT CARE IF YOU READ THIS...HAVE PROOF OF
> DOCUMENTS....I WILL KEEP IN TOUCH WITH YOU ALL ABOUT THIS MATTER. I
> WILL NOT LET THIS DIE...UNTIL I DO!@!!!!
>

One of the factors that would seem to hinder the witness against the fellowship is that many people, being ex members of Waymanland, who testify against that organization, are greatly wounded and quite frankly are often what we would call messed up.  Many are nowhere as far as career and income go.  Many are divorced.  Many are battling all kinds of psychological side effects of having been in that organization for years, or even decades.  Yet, when they testify against the fellowship, they are still speaking and writing the truth.

Some carry religious bigotry with them.  They still will not tolerate anyone "denying the Lord," and will make unkind remarks about those who did not continue in Christian faith after they left the fellowship.  Yet they give factual and very real accounts of the abuse and exploitation that goes on in that group all the time.  Their information is accurate, even though they have some "grave clothes" still clinging to them. 

Some find themselves being weird misfits.  They are loners, for the most part.  They are as we have often mentioned, "socially retarded."  They have a hard time relating to others, and sometimes they might even go off at other ex members for any number of reasons.  They are extremely frustrated.  Once again, however, when they testify about the fellowship, they tell the truth.

Some don't know where they are at religiously, or spiritually.  Some are exploring different possibilities.  Some have no profession of Christianity any more and have embraced other spiritual ideas.  Some can't figure out if they still believe or not.  Many will never go to church again.  When they testify about their experiences in the fellowship, and what it was like to get out, they give accurate information.

Far be it from current fellowship members to not be vicious about ex members who are hurting.  I have gotten some feedback that some actually believe the God killed the two women who testified against a perverted, fake pastor.  That is how low they will go.  They look at the pain and suffing of those who have left as proof that leaving the fellowship is wrong.  I recall one leader stating in a Tucson conference that the reason people suffered when they left the fellowship was because it was wrong for them to leave.  This was about a year after I left.  That leader has now left the fellowship and last I heard he is pastoring in Gallup, New Mexico.

What they are actually saying is that if Waymanchrist is able through his corrupt religious system to cause affliction in the lives of those who leave his religious world, then God must be on his side.  Nevermind the shunning, the mockery, and the preaching against those who left.  It is God, in their minds, who is afflicting those who leave.  Nevermind the ripped off careers and education, and social isolation, and all the other long term effects of fellowship membership.  They view you as someone that God hates.  And if you suffer and die, they will smuggly say that God judged you. 

Someone wrote on Slam the Door a couple of years back or so that one pastor led his congregation in a cheer at the news that I and my wife had been divorced.  It was said that there was much rejoicing in the church over this event, and the divorce of another couple as well.  These are the people of God?  You really think so?

And when they see ex members struggling with some of the things I mentioned, they will say that this negates their witness of what goes on in the fellowship.  This is simply not true.  In spite of all the pain, the confusion, and the struggles, all these different people say the same thing.  There were literally hundreds who visited Slam the Door and testified that what we say about the fellowship is true.  Some only posted once or twice, but the witness was overwhelmingly consistent.

Even outsiders, who were never part of Waymanland, have observed these same things in friends and relatives.  The current members of the fellowship dismiss this as the "witness of the world" against them.  But consider that they are also saying the same as ex members.  The witness against the fellowship is overwhelming.  

Current members who read on these message boards can mock all they want.  If they keep reading, sooner or later a bell will ring in their minds.  Too much truth becomes and overwhelming force.  So keep reading.  One day you may be stopping by to add your witness, in spite of being a hurting ex member.

Shalom

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Escape_from_the_Fellowship/ 

Hi!

My name is Bill and I attended the Victory Chapel in Colorado
Springs, Colorado from June 1980 through the beginning of January
1986. During the five and half years I was a member there, I
experienced feelings of joy at being a Christian and feelings of
despair that I, somehow, did not measure up to what the church
demanded of me or the popularity contest of the church.

I attended the Tuesday night Bible studies, was a member of the
choir, and was active in the ministry for the deaf that we had at
the church at the time. But, "rank" in the church seemed to be based
on a popularity contest and if you were not popular enough, then
maybe you were somehow "not serving the Lord" was the unspoken
message. This attitude cause me a lot of self-doubt and it
influenced my decision to leave the church in January 1986.

I left in 1986 and, for a long time, had a very negative attitude
about Christians and Christianity. My view of them both was
distorted, to say the least. I thought of Christians as all being
bigoted and narrow-minded. You don't need to point out my own
hyspocrisy there since I was being just as bigoted. <g>

Anyways, it is now more than 20 years since I have been involved
with Victory Chapel--and the local branch is no longer a part of
Mitchell's kingdom, but is now Victory World Outreach (I still have
no intention of visiting as the apple does not fall far from the
tree) and I am still working on getting my life healed from that
abuse.

I ended up working in social work for a number of years after
leaving the cult and I am now studying to be a paralegal. I have had
some health issues (I have AIDS), but I am happy and I am now
working on healing my sense of spirituality and have taken to
visiting a local UU church here in town, just a few blocks from
where the Colorado Springs Victory Chapel was founded.

Bill

The great defender of the fellowship of Wayman O. recently wrote on another message board that a couple of his fellow potterheads had exposed the "slammers" and given evidence that the Slammos, myself, and another former fellowship pastor had spread lies and slander about Waymanland.  This is so utterly absurd that it is stunning in its stupidity. 

The whole case that they try to make against those who have testified of the abuse and exploitation practiced by Wayman O. and his gang religious thugs is that I and several others used internet names without saying who we really were.  I, for one, pretended to be a current fellowshipper named mannuvgod.  At first I did it as a joke, but the more extreme I became in fellowship doctrine, the more the defender of the fellowship and his one or two friends, who were also present on the message boards, gave me praise.  I was curious as to how far I could go before they would try and restrain me, but that never happened.  Instead, they finally figured out that some were using more than one name on the message boards.  The man who is making this accusation against the "slammers", himself had at least three names on the message boards.  His one or two friends, who supposedly "exposed" the "slammers" kept their real identities secret.  They went by yadayadawhatever and thatsphonydoctor2u, or something like that.  In other words, hypocritical, fellowship worms.  Spineless.

What I did in enacting out a fellowship disciple was an illustration, and not really a deception.  It is no different than what Joseph did with his brothers when he pretended he didn't know them and accused them of being spies.  Or what Jesus did when He pretended He was ignorant of His own crucifixion when He appeared to a couple of His disciples.  But it is futlile to reason with fellowship people about such matters.  It is the old double standard.  In fact, there was a fellowship pastor who used to post on Slam the Door who boasted that he and other CFMers had come on the message board in all kinds of guises.  That man has recently been announced to pastor again after being busted for questionable emails to divorced Christian women who posted on Slam the Door. 

Which brings me to my point.  This great defender of the fellowship just accused another ex member of refusing to look at the "evidence" against the "slammers."  I was stunned by the total insanity of that.   Here are mounds of evidence right in front of this guy's face that he is part of a religious cult.  Not hidden stuff, obvious stuff. 

Matthew 20: 25-27

But Jesus called them to Himself and said, "You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their great men exercise authority over them. It is not this way among you, but whoever wishes to become great among you shall be your servant,  and whoever wishes to be first among you shall be your slave"

Matthew 23:8-12

But do not be called Rabbi; for One is your Teacher, and you are all brothers.  Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.  Do not be called leaders; for One is your Leader, that is, Christ.  But the greatest among you shall be your servant.  Whoever exalts himself shall be humbled; and whoever humbles himself shall be exalted.

1 Peter 5:1-4

Therefore, I exhort the elders among you, as your fellow elder and witness of the sufferings of Christ, and a partaker also of the glory that is to be revealed,  shepherd the flock of God among you, exercising oversight not under compulsion, but voluntarily, according to the will of God; and not for sordid gain, but with eagerness; nor yet as lording it over those allotted to your charge, but proving to be examples to the flock.  And when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the unfading crown of glory.

All someone has to do is read these passages, meditate on them for a little bit of time, and then go and observe some fellowship pastors and leaders in action, and they will have all the evidence that they need that they are not in a "move of God" by any means.  These guys are the exact opposite of what Jesus said would be the true overseers of the flock of God.  They obviously lord it over the flock.  They are like the Gentile rulers that Jesus said His men should not emulate.  Yet a potterhead disciple will not be able to see this.  They fit the term in the Bible, "willfully ignorant." 

These fellowship leaders are not examples to the flock of humble servants of God, but rather of the riches of multilevel religious marketing.  They are examples of self exaltation.  No pastor dares to give testimony at a conference without giving praise to the leaders.  Some have noted leaders getting far more praise in these testimonies than God or Jesus.  What does that say about them?  How obvious can you get?

For almost everyone who joins that corrupt religious organization there comes a day when they can no longer ignore the evidence.  It is in the hope that this process might be sped up that we write what we write here and on other message boards.  But it is hard to break through the fellowship fog of deception.  One can only hope that some will get out sooner, rather than later, and save themselves some lost years.

Shalom

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Escape_from_the_Fellowship/