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** Can you recommend some books for different eras and peoples?
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Happy Researching!

I can try but it is much more difficult ;)
I thought my answer will be useless for the people outside of Poland.
I simply advice Wojtek to go the local museums (in Cracow it is enough to go
out of the home and you are face to face with the History) and check the
artifacts.  A lot of them were not published (or were with very poor
ilustrations) - so you have to go and see them by your own eyes.
Very usful could be also tho check local collections of old folk clothes.
Very old technics were in usage for very long time among the 'cut of the
outer world' villagers.
There is a lot of examples of medieval belts here in Silesia - the most of
interesting of them  are those of the tomb effigies of the Piast dukes, the
other come from the wooden full sculpture of saints and soldiers which were
popular in local churches (as part of the "Crucifixion Road" ? - i don't
know the right English word). The last ones are made in natural size, they
wore detailed cloth (of XIV/XV c.) and sometimes even wigs from the natural
hair. They simply look like the people from the distant past frozen for the
eternity.
Anyway I looked them (those belts) very carefully and don't think there were
any false rivets on the belts ornaments. Rather real rivets are ornaments by
itself. I assumed all of them were in the right place from the technical
point of view. All the 'ornaments' are put in very logical way - it is very
charcteristic for the medieval artifacts  in general (as it was in the
architecture). The materials were very expensive so the usage of them had to
be carefully thought over.
I recomend Wojtek to check some of the recently published detailed
descriptions of "Sroda Slaska trasure".  It could be very informative for
everyone interested in medieval craftsmanship.
I hope it helps.
Magdalena z Wroclawia

----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Koziel" <kataryna_dragonweaver@...>
To: <sig@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: [sig] belt question: attaching bronze applications


> Hi,
>   Can you post this in English too?
> I'm interested in the reply, but don't read any other
> language.
> -Kataryna
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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There is an opportunity in the Philadelphia PA area (ft. Mifflin) to
get hands-on experience with using a matchlock musket, firing a
cannon, handling a pike as well as period cooking costume & etc. at
the school of musketeer.  Life in the 1630s, oriented toward the
unexperienced.
May 8, all day
http://home.att.net/~trmarr/

>[Yana slinks out from behind her computer]  That
>would be me.
<SNIP>
>[mumbles, kicks stone] I'll get to work on it.
>-Yana  ;-)

No worries.  I just mentioned it because I went
looking for Miklagard NVG site to send the URL to
someone.
--Sfandra




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Kingdom of the East
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-Kataryna

Greetings,
     Well, it's a fluid field right now and that's
precisely what I tell folks in my own costuming class.
What's tue this year could change next year as more
work is translated into english for the wider world
market. Plus, soviet research was politically driven
so much of it is currently being revised by the
original authors themselves, again for the world wide
market.
     What, exactly, is your period and location, as of
now? Maybe I can help?
'dak
--- Cid <IrinaRadokovaia@...> wrote:
>
> > My Lady, have you tried Predslava in Ansteorra?
>
> I asked several people and no one knew of anyone
> else that did a
> personia like what I was interested in.  I'm affraid
> that I have
> never heard of Predslava.
>
> I've read a good deal of the information on the web
> site, I would
> never have been so absent-minded as to ignore those,
> but it seems
> that I must have read too many things, not a few of
> them by people
> who didn't really know what they were talking about
> as they
> contradict a lot of what I have found elsewhere.
>
> --Ira
>
>
>





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I went digging, and realized that I can't find anything about the
neckline of a early period/Kievan navershnik.  The most I find about
the neck area turns into descriptions of ozherlyas (sp? sorry!) and
I'm sure one did not wear that for everyday wear.  Other than a
standard "scoop" neckline, does anyone know of other options for the
overdress?  I've made them with scoops and with keyhole necklines,
but I'm making a dress for Boredom War (East Kingdom's first big
camping event) and would like something a bit different.  I'm tempted
by square and vee necklines, but would prefer to be period if I can!
THANKS!
Sfandra

I wanted to clear up some misconceptions I had, and another person
was gracious enough to lend her knowledge.  At this moment my
immediate questions have been satisfied, though I'm sure that now
school is finished till September, I'll come up with a dozen more.
You offer is appreciated though.

--Irina

I hear your frustration with trying to be as accurate as possible.
Unfortunately it's not always possible or practical I mean who is going to use
(or can
afford) real silk brocade all the time? I personally work with linen and wool
for the most
part. Take a look at your persona for hints as to what they might have worn. For
instance
what century are you most interested in?  Was velvet available during that time?
Are you
middle class, a peasant, city dweller, merchant or a country woman? All wore and
had
access to different colors, fabrics and furs ( I use Faux Fur.) My persona also
has been
somewhat difficult to research not a lot ( at least in my experience thus far)
was written
about women in the early centuries. I try not to focus (to much) on the
historical accuracy
of my work but the quality of my sewing and believe me that's hard enough! : )
Anyway your not alone join a local costuming guild or sewing circle I have found
people
are always willing to offer advice.

Happy Sewing, Julia 0 ;  )


http://medievalrussia.freeservers.com/dress.html
http://sca-garb.freeservers.com/articles/sarafan.html

http://www.abbeymuseum.asn.au/
This website was shared on a museum listserv I belong to.  Thought
the medieval village and tournament looked intriguing.  Alas that I
probably will never get to Australia; I'd like to check this museum
out!

Susannah

I've attended the tournament at Abbey Museum 3 times (although not in the last 2
years, for various reasons).

The museum itself has a good collection, although not comparable with the big
museums in Europe or America.

The tournament is held one weekend a year. There are two sections to it- the
marketplace, where there are stalls of various historical and non-historical
products, and the re-enactors section.

Quite a few different re-enactment groups take part in the tournament. Some are
metal weapons groups, but for 2 years I attended with a barony of the SCA (St
Florian de la Riviere). St Florian's works hard to present a campsite depicting
the late 15th- early 16th centuries, and has always set a high standard for this
event.The standards between groups varies, although the Abbey Museum does set a
minimum standard.

There are also lectures and demonstrations.

Currently the medieval village project is only plans. The castle that you can
see in many of the photos is set up each year, and is not a permanent structure.

Overall, it is a great weekend to take part in, and lots of fun for spectators
too. But it probably isn't worth flying to Australia just for this!

Meroe/Rohese
   ----- Original Message -----
   http://www.abbeymuseum.asn.au/
   This website was shared on a museum listserv I belong to.  Thought
   the medieval village and tournament looked intriguing.  Alas that I
   probably will never get to Australia; I'd like to check this museum
   out!

   Susannah



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From the recent Northshield Investiture:

Vlad and Petranella
<http://www.melm.org/NSGallery/Crown-Memories/DSC_1388>

Side view of same
<http://www.melm.org/NSGallery/Crown-Memories/DSC_1476>

--Yana

Vlads' armour really knocked my socks off.  In my opinion he and his lady were
the best dressed duo - bar none.  Do you know if he frequents these boards?

Dziekuje!
Pan Langry




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--- In sig@yahoogroups.com, "redlocks999" <redlocks999@y...> wrote:
> I hear your frustration with trying to be as accurate as possible.
> Unfortunately it's not always possible or practical
................................................................

The more I research (including personal letters)into clothing styles
along the Varengian River Routes (Caspian to Baltic Seas), the more
I get a sense that styles defined as 'cultural' or 'proper' applied
more to celebrations and formal (religious) event wear and not to
what was actually worn day-to-day.  People wore what was available,
comfortable and practical, drawing from dozens of diverse cultures.
So "accurate" may be an affectation -- which is fine for a hobby,
but not something to get hung up on.

This is similar to eating Chinese food in the USA.  What we
consider 'normal fair' is actually rare celebration food in most of
China, yet, if one used most cookbooks (hundreds of years from now)
as a guide, you would get a completely false impression of what was
actually eaten.

just a view from a 'non-Slavic' person

     kinjal

Hi:

I'm trying to research peasants in the Slavic area during the middle ages,
but there aren't a lot of sources out there.  Does anyone know of any good
ones?  I'm looking for everyday life material.

Thanks,
Johanna

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> Hi:
>
> I'm trying to research peasants in the Slavic area during the middle ages,
> but there aren't a lot of sources out there.  Does anyone know of any good
> ones?  I'm looking for everyday life material.

There's some information in these two books:

Economy, Society and Lordship in Medieval Poland: 1100-1250. Pyotr
Gorecki. (NY: Holmes & Meier, 1992

Land, Liberties and Lordship in a Late Medieval Countryside: Agrarian
Structures and Change in the Duchy of Wroclaw. Richard C. Hoffman.
(Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania, 1989)

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--- Kinjal of Moravia <gusarimagic@...> wrote:
> --- In sig@yahoogroups.com, "redlocks999"
> <redlocks999@y...> wrote:
> > I hear your frustration with trying to be as
> accurate as possible.
> > Unfortunately it's not always possible or
> practical
>
................................................................
>
> The more I research (including personal letters)into
> clothing styles
> along the Varengian River Routes (Caspian to Baltic
> Seas), the more
> I get a sense that styles defined as 'cultural' or
> 'proper' applied
> more to celebrations and formal (religious) event
> wear and not to
> what was actually worn day-to-day.  People wore what
> was available,
> comfortable and practical, drawing from dozens of
> diverse cultures.

Well in my opinion you are right...the garb as we call
it would be the one suit for festivities and weddings
and fairs and so on, in a peasant's household that is.
But on the other hand the variety of cultural
influence varies from place to place. Most of the
people in those times had no outside intercultural
exchanges due to a lack of movement. Some people, or
better say most people, never left their homestead.
Well maybe going to town 5-10 kilometers away, for a
fair on 1-5 days a year would be the exeption. Cities
would be another story however, especially if it was a
coastal trading spot, for obvious reasons. And also
lets not forget that certain fashions have broken the
cultural "barrier". From as early as the classical
period (roman empire) you have the Dalmatica...or the
overcoat that was worn by the Illiric tribes of
Dalmatia that stayed as a fashionable garment all the
way into the 14 hundreads (if I am not mistaking) all
over the Medditeranean, with only minor changes to it.
Also the Krackaw's, or shoes that have been the hight
of fashion all over europe in the 12-13 hundreads.


> just a view from a 'non-Slavic' person
>
>     kinjal
>
>





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<Vlads' armour really knocked my socks off.  In my opinion he and his lady
were <the best dressed duo - bar none.  Do you know if he frequents these
boards?
<
<Dziekuje!
<Pan Langry


Thank you,  Vlad does not frequent any boards, but I do and can act as
relay.

Petranella

Hey, I just joined the interest group so forgive me for being a newbie.



As background: I come from a family that is now about 50% Slavic, my great
Grandmother and father were both Yugoslavian and immigrated either with
their parents or on their own sometime in the late 19th to early 20th
century, since then the family has been fairly concerned with their
heritage, up until my parents of course, which only remember what their
parents have told them and have done very little of their own research. I
assume the inquisitive gene skips a generation as now I've become incredibly
fascinated by Croatian/Yugoslavian society throughout history, and since you
guys know Slavic subjects like the back of your hand - I was wondering if I
could ask a few questions and then perhaps follow those up with some deeper
reading?



I intend on joining the SCA very soon (in fact, as soon as I get my garb and
group together) and wish to play a late 13th century Croatian persona. I
have found very little information on the dress of the Baltic States, but
even less on the garb of Croatian peasants and nobility and if some
patterns, pictures, or books could be recommended to me for that, I'd be
very grateful.



Since I'm but a spry teen, of course I'm interested in becoming a fighter
and unfortunately I have found only a single website with a feature on
Croatian military dress. The drawings I assume are unreliable, as the
particular 13th century one, labeled "13th Century Croatian Horseman shows
him wearing a Norman helm, carrying a kite shield, and having a large patch
of chain mail covering his mouth. (particular picture here
http://public.srce.hr/husar/Croatian%20Cavalryman%2013th%20Cent.jpg )



I also know that typically fighters don't epitomize historical accuracy, but
personally, I'd like to do the best I can with this fairly unknown group,
even if it sacrifices some mobility. Having a challenger question my origins
and compliment my style is far more rewarding to me than just throwing cloth
over hockey armor.



Finally, I am a writer (haven't you noticed) and intend to really pump out
as much as I can for my persona (sans the goofy interjections) so, once
again, if someone could recommend Croatian or Yugoslavian biographies in
English that I could read, I'd be eternally grateful, especially if said
biographies centered around far traveling or well educated members of the
society. I really want to take this far, and intend to ask a trillion more
questions once I get started (oh boy) so hopefully this won't be my only
post to the SIG.



Unless you hate me so much I can never come back J



PS/Bonus Question: My last name is Bozich, which I know is Croatian, but
since birth I have been told that I am of Yugoslavian heritage. In fact, my
Grandparents and father even went so far as to go to the local Yugoslavian
church, which was different than the church the Croatians of the area went
to. I understand a bit about the religious differences of the groups, but if
someone could really enlighten me as to why this could have happened, I'd
sing high praises. (I already said I'd be eternally grateful, I guess
singing high praises is just as good)

Hi! Welcome to the SCA!

I'm no expert on Croatio or Yugoslavia; however, concernings weapons and
armor, you may want to consult David Nicolle's 'Arms & Armour of the
Crusading Era 1050-1350'.

One volume focuses on Western Europe and the Crusader States; the other on
Islam, Eastern Europe and Asia. The latter has got information on Serbia and
Bulgaria, so I guess Croatia would appear in the first volume. (Which I
don't actually own, alas! One of my friend ordered it, but received instead
the second volume, wrapped in the first volume's cover... Anyway...)

The book is published by Greenhill Books. It is available on Amazon. If you
don't live too far from Montreal feel free to borrow it.

Petru cel Paros Voda
Shire of L'ile du Dragon Dormant, East Kingdom
(Montreal, Qc, Canada)

>A few years ago I recall in a discussion about bread
>ovens someone asking about the fact that clay discs
>were found in (or on top of) ovens in digs. (or
>something like that)...

That would have been me ;-)

Many (belated) thanks for that suggestion, it is one that would never have
occurred to me!

Alastair

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It was just really weird how I got the info too.
:)
I was in the middle of discussing building a pottery
kiln & how to process raw clay with my pottery
instructor.
Wood fired kilns & wood fired ovens can have a lot of
similarities.
:)

-Kataryna

--- Alastair Millar <alastair@...> wrote:
> >A few years ago I recall in a discussion about
> bread
> >ovens someone asking about the fact that clay discs
> >were found in (or on top of) ovens in digs. (or
> >something like that)...
>
> That would have been me ;-)
>
> Many (belated) thanks for that suggestion, it is one
> that would never have
> occurred to me!
>
> Alastair
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Ah, I would like to thank everyone so far on their input.  I've been
doing a lot of reading *rubs eyes* and have put somethings together
from what I've read.  I would like to say a special thank you to
Sfandra Dmitrieva iz Chernigova for all of her help.  She emailed me
privatly and has answered a lot of my questions.  Hopefully with
Warlord getting underway next week I'll get some pictures taken so
that I can get some oppinions on them.  So far the people here are
very impressed.

Thanks again,
Irina Radokovaia

Greetings!!

Absolutely.

In my various trips to the region I have travelled through much of the
Balkan region and up to Hungary and found that much of the "cultural" event
clothes in the Serbian, Slovakian, Croatian and Hungarian areas are very
similar in design.  I specifically exclude Bosnia and Herczegovina from this
list since it has serious Muslim tones for clothing (go figure) but you
could not tell them apart from any of the others listed here by looking at
them day to day.

The main differences I noted in the few museums (castles) that I visited
were in the materials and color.  The "rich" would have bright fine woven
clothing while the "peasents" would have plain grey or other natural,
locally produced color, in generally wool or other course material.

For best or possibly easier research on the clothing, I might suggest
checking out Italian on the Western side, German in the north, Greek or
Turkish in the south (or for Muslim based Slav) and may be Russia through
the Hermitage museum.




Gospodar Robert
R.J.
DRAGOONS!!!
audax et celer



>I get a sense that styles defined as 'cultural' or 'proper' applied
>more to celebrations and formal (religious) event wear and not to
>what was actually worn day-to-day.  People wore what was available,
>comfortable and practical, drawing from dozens of diverse cultures.

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Try this web site.  I have not yet wandered all teh way through it, but you
never know...

http://www.hermitagemuseum.org/html_En/index.html



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Major cities, towns and some villages of Galicia

http://www.personal.ceu.hu/students/97/Roman_Zakharii/galicia.htm

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Field

I wandered through the whole museum, or at least most of it, and
never saw more than a case or two of clothing from the Russian past,
which was really irritating.  Good armory displays though.  Again, I
could be wrong, that was in March, I've had finals and real sleep
since then   O.o

--Irina Radokovaia

"R.J. Clarke" <tor_brant_web@h...> wrote:
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> Try this web site.  I have not yet wandered all teh way through
it, but you
> never know...
>
> http://www.hermitagemuseum.org/html_En/index.html

Thank You for the Hermetige Link..it is great!

Greetings all!

I need help with the bibliographic data of Pokhlebkin's book "The Kitchens of
Our Nations" edited in English. Afair it was mentioned here, either to me here
or by me, taken from another list. My message archive for the two years in the
SCA lists is gone.

Afair, it was not the US but a UK edition, about 1980s.

Bye, Alex

> I need help with the bibliographic data of Pokhlebkin's book "The Kitchens of
Our Nations" edited in English. Afair it was mentioned here, either to me here
or by me, taken from another list. My message archive for the two years in the
SCA lists is gone.

This may have been it:

Russian delight : a cookbook of the Soviet people.
V V Pokhlebkin
1978
English  Book 240 p.
London : Pan Books,
"First published 1978 as Natzionalnye koukhni nashikh narodov"
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