Slavic Interest Group Mailing List (SIG-L) Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)
Last update:  27 March 2005
Main SIG page
http://slavic.freeservers.com

Main SIG-L page (message archives, etc.)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sig

Old SIG Message Archives
http://sig-arc.hypermart.net/

SIG organizer
Paul Wickenden of Thanet (goldschp@...)

SIG-L moderators
Default  (sig-owner@eyahoogroups.com)
Yana  (yana@...)
Liudmila  (LiudmilaV@...)

To post a message:  sig@yahoogroups.com
To subscribe:  sig-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
To unsubscribe:  sig-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com


***********************************************
List Basics

** What is sig@yahoogroups.com?
The SIG List (hereafter called "SIG-L") provides a discussion forum on the
history and culture of the Medieval Slavic, Eastern European, and Central
European world.  We are aimed specifically towards members of the Society for
Creative Anachronism (SCA) with Slavic, Eastern European and Central European
personas, but we provide information and resources to anyone.

** Are SIG-L and the Slavic Interest Group the same organization?
No.  SIG-L is an offshoot of the larger and older Slavic Interest Group
(hereafter called "SIG").  SIG-L was established as an additional way for
members of SIG to talk to each other more quickly than via the quarterly
newsletter.  Not all the members of SIG are on SIG-L and vice versa.  This means
that if you are a member of SIG-L, it does not automatically make you a member
of SIG.  To become a member of SIG, write to the SIG organizer at
goldschp@... or go to http://slavic.freeservers.com and follow the links
there.  Membership is free.  We just ask that you be willing to share what you
know with the rest of us.

** What cultures does SIG-L cover?
SIG-L (and SIG) covers all the former members of the Soviet Union (just for
convenience, no political agenda is implied).  We encompass the medieval
cultures of Russia, Ukraine, Hungary, Romania, Transylvania, Latvia, Lithuania,
Karelia, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Slovenia, Great Moravia, Croatia, Serbia,
Bosnia, Dalmatia, Albania, Poland, Estonia, Belarus, Moldova, Armenia, Georgia,
Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Azerbaijan, Kirgizistan, Kazakhstan, Turkestan,
Khazaria, and any related ethnic groups.  We aren't _just_ a Slavic
organization, it is just simpler to call ourselves "SIG" instead of trying to
incorporate the initials of all the countries and groups we cover.

** You mentioned a newsletter...
SIG publishes "Slovo", our quarterly newsletter.  "Slovo" means "word" in many
Slavic languages, so we thought it would be a good name for the newsletter.  It
comes out in the middle of the months of January, April, July and October.  The
submission deadlines are the first of those same months.  Slovo is available
free on the web off the main SIG page.  Back issues are also archived there.  If
you need a paper copy, write to the editor at goldschp@....  Paper copies
are also free, but donations are cheerfully accepted to cover copying and
mailing costs.

** Does SIG-L have archives?
Yes, in two places.  The older archives can be viewed at
http://sig-arc.hypermart.net/  The more recent archives are at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sig

** What can I talk about here on SIG-L?
Anything relating to pre-1650 CE (approximately) Slavic or Eastern or Central
European history and culture or anything Slavic, Eastern European or Central
European as it pertains to the SCA is welcome here.  Sometimes we talk about
modern subjects, which is okay as long as we generally stay on topic.  Feel free
to start a new topic, ask questions or debate a subject.  We have beginners on
the List as well as advanced and professional researchers, but everyone is
friendly and we all welcome questions and subjects at any level.

** What is not permitted on the list?
a)  Personal Flamewars.  Debating a subject is fine, heated argument is not.
b)  Personal Attacks/Rudeness.  Attack the argument, not the author.
c)  Ethnic, Regional, Racist, and Cultural insults.  This is absolutely not
acceptable here.
d)  SPAM.  This includes chain letters, appeals from charities, virus warnings,
etc.
e)  UCE (Unsolicited Commercial Email).  Commercial posts are allowed if they
are pre-approved by one of the moderators.

**  What are the basic commands for this list?
SIG-L is based off YahooGroups, a web-based provider.  Through YahooGroups
(http://www.yahoogroups.com) you can subscribe, unsubscribe and otherwise manage
your account.  Simply enter your email address and the password you were given
when you subscribed and follow the directions there.  If you are not yet a
member, follow the directions given there to sign up for an account.

**  What if I don't have web-access or don't want to use the YahooGroups
website?
Not a problem, you can still manage your subscription easily (and you don't even
need a password).  Send a blank email (no message or subject) to the appropriate
address below:

sig-subscribe@yahoogroups.com - subscribe to SIG
sig-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com - unsubscribe from SIG
sig-digest@yahoogroups.com - switch your subscription to digest mode
sig-normal@yahoogroups.com - switch your subscription to normal mode

Be sure to reply to any message that YahooGroups sends you about your account
(and save your password if you were given one!).  If you don't reply,
YahooGroups may think you didn't want to really subscribe/unsubscribe/change
your settings.  This is a safety precaution done to prevent subscribers from
being the victims of pranksters.

**I'm on the digest.  How do I reply to separate messages?
To reply to a message found on the digest, 'cut' the contents of the message
that you wish to quote, 'paste' it in a message to sig@yahoogroups.com, and add
your comments.  Make sure you do NOT reply directly to the From: field on the
digest!  If this becomes a habit, then you will be put on a moderated status and
misdirected replies will be silently deleted.

**********************************************
List Courtesy

**I think that someone is being rude and insulting!  What can I do?
First, try reading the post again.  Sometimes it is hard to tell what a person
is really saying because of the difficulties of communicating using email.  It
also helps if you read all the posts on a subject before you respond, especially
if you get the digest.  Sometimes the concern has already been addressed.

If you still have a problem with what is being said, you have two options:
a) Talk to a moderator about your concerns.  It is their job is to handle stuff
like this.
b) Reply to the sender of the message without flaming

**What is "flaming"?
Flaming is a post, usually containing an argument or reply, that serves only to
exacerbate the situation.  If you have written something in the heat of anger,
irritation or excitement please re-read the post and take out the elements of
possible insult while getting the logic of your point across.  Flaming is a big
"no-no" on this List and offenders will be put on probation and moderated
(messages will be reviewed by a moderator before being sent to the List). 
Overstepping the bounds of civility and courtesy, on mistake or on purpose, will
not be tolerated.  If the flaming continues, the offender(s) will be banned
permanently.

**I think we are drifting off topic/I think this list is too advanced for me.
If you are concerned that the topic has drifted, feel free to restate the
original topic and try to get everyone back on track. Just do it in a polite
manner.  As for concerns about the List being too advanced, please ask questions
about what you don't understand.  You will find people are very willing to
explain and clarify.  While it is true that sometimes the discussions can get a
bit esoteric, please remember that this List is aimed towards all levels of
research interest.

**Anything else I should know?
a) Please clip your posts!  This means only quoting what is relevant to your own
post and not including the entire letter unless absolutely necessary (which is
extremely rare).  It gets very annoying very quickly to have to page down
through an entire letter (or more!) that someone has stuck on the end of their
reply.

b) Keep subject lines relevant.  If a message thread has evolved to something
that has nothing to do with the original subject, please feel free to change the
subject line to something more appropriate.

***********************************************
Research

** Can you recommend some books for different eras and peoples?
There is an extensive bibliography (with notes) on the web at the main SIG page 
You can also write to the list and ask for recommendations or reviews of
specific books, but it is a lot faster if you look at the SIG bibliography
first.

** Where can I find help developing my persona?
You are in luck!  There are several web pages that members of SIG-L have
created.  We call them Knowledge Pages.  They are aimed towards a specific
country and include information on dress, food, naming practices, persona
development, history, language and other themes.  Simply find the Knowledge Page
you wish and read, read, read!

**What are "the Knowledge Pages?"
They are a series of country-based web pages that are organized using similar
subject categories to aid research. Here you can find information on a wide
variety of subjects such as food, dress, persona development, history and much
more.  You can find the Knowledge Pages under our "Links" on YahooGroups, or
visit the main SIG page.

** Where can I find someone near me?
Feel free to ask on SIG-L!  This is also where becoming a member of SIG comes in
handy.  SIG maintains a member list that lists name, location, interests and
contact information.  You can simply scan the list and contact whomever you
choose.  It is linked off the main SIG page under "members".

**  Are there recipes for my culture? Where would I find them?
**  Where can I get ideas for clothing from my culture?
**  What about music and art?

To all the above: First, check out the appropriate Knowledge Page for the
culture in question.  You might also want to check out the Florilegium, a major
collection of messages arranged by subject headings.  The Florilegium is at
http://www.florilegium.org/
If you can't find answers there, try writing to the List.

We hope this FAQ has been helpful.  If you have any further questions or
suggestions, please let us know.

Happy Researching!

Dear friends and moderators:

The address for the old SIG archives (http://sig-arc.hypermart.net) no longer
works. :-(

In service,
Lady Patricia of Trakai





-----Original Message-----
From: sig <sig@yahoogroups.com>
To: sig <sig@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Dec 2, 2012 1:10 am
Subject: [sig] File - FAQ.txt



Slavic Interest Group Mailing List (SIG-L) Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)
Last update:  27 March 2005
Main SIG page
http://slavic.freeservers.com

Main SIG-L page (message archives, etc.)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sig

Old SIG Message Archives
http://sig-arc.hypermart.net/

SIG organizer
Paul Wickenden of Thanet (goldschp@...)

SIG-L moderators
Default  (sig-owner@eyahoogroups.com)
Yana  (yana@...)
Liudmila  (LiudmilaV@...)

To post a message:  sig@yahoogroups.com
To subscribe:  sig-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
To unsubscribe:  sig-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com


***********************************************
List Basics

** What is sig@yahoogroups.com?
The SIG List (hereafter called "SIG-L") provides a discussion forum on the
history and culture of the Medieval Slavic, Eastern European, and Central
European world.  We are aimed specifically towards members of the Society for
Creative Anachronism (SCA) with Slavic, Eastern European and Central European
personas, but we provide information and resources to anyone.

** Are SIG-L and the Slavic Interest Group the same organization?
No.  SIG-L is an offshoot of the larger and older Slavic Interest Group
(hereafter called "SIG").  SIG-L was established as an additional way for
members of SIG to talk to each other more quickly than via the quarterly
newsletter.  Not all the members of SIG are on SIG-L and vice versa.  This means
that if you are a member of SIG-L, it does not automatically make you a member
of SIG.  To become a member of SIG, write to the SIG organizer at
goldschp@... or go to http://slavic.freeservers.com and follow the links
there.  Membership is free.  We just ask that you be willing to share what you
know with the rest of us.

** What cultures does SIG-L cover?
SIG-L (and SIG) covers all the former members of the Soviet Union (just for
convenience, no political agenda is implied).  We encompass the medieval
cultures of Russia, Ukraine, Hungary, Romania, Transylvania, Latvia, Lithuania,
Karelia, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Slovenia, Great Moravia, Croatia, Serbia,
Bosnia, Dalmatia, Albania, Poland, Estonia, Belarus, Moldova, Armenia, Georgia,
Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Azerbaijan, Kirgizistan, Kazakhstan, Turkestan,
Khazaria, and any related ethnic groups.  We aren't _just_ a Slavic
organization, it is just simpler to call ourselves "SIG" instead of trying to
incorporate the initials of all the countries and groups we cover.

** You mentioned a newsletter...
SIG publishes "Slovo", our quarterly newsletter.  "Slovo" means "word" in many
Slavic languages, so we thought it would be a good name for the newsletter.  It
comes out in the middle of the months of January, April, July and October.  The
submission deadlines are the first of those same months.  Slovo is available
free on the web off the main SIG page.  Back issues are also archived there.  If
you need a paper copy, write to the editor at goldschp@....  Paper copies
are also free, but donations are cheerfully accepted to cover copying and
mailing costs.

** Does SIG-L have archives?
Yes, in two places.  The older archives can be viewed at
http://sig-arc.hypermart.net/  The more recent archives are at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sig

** What can I talk about here on SIG-L?
Anything relating to pre-1650 CE (approximately) Slavic or Eastern or Central
European history and culture or anything Slavic, Eastern European or Central
European as it pertains to the SCA is welcome here.  Sometimes we talk about
modern subjects, which is okay as long as we generally stay on topic.  Feel free
to start a new topic, ask questions or debate a subject.  We have beginners on
the List as well as advanced and professional researchers, but everyone is
friendly and we all welcome questions and subjects at any level.

** What is not permitted on the list?
a)  Personal Flamewars.  Debating a subject is fine, heated argument is not.
b)  Personal Attacks/Rudeness.  Attack the argument, not the author.
c)  Ethnic, Regional, Racist, and Cultural insults.  This is absolutely not
acceptable here.
d)  SPAM.  This includes chain letters, appeals from charities, virus warnings,
etc.
e)  UCE (Unsolicited Commercial Email).  Commercial posts are allowed if they
are pre-approved by one of the moderators.

**  What are the basic commands for this list?
SIG-L is based off YahooGroups, a web-based provider.  Through YahooGroups
(http://www.yahoogroups.com) you can subscribe, unsubscribe and otherwise manage
your account.  Simply enter your email address and the password you were given
when you subscribed and follow the directions there.  If you are not yet a
member, follow the directions given there to sign up for an account.

**  What if I don't have web-access or don't want to use the YahooGroups
website?
Not a problem, you can still manage your subscription easily (and you don't even
need a password).  Send a blank email (no message or subject) to the appropriate
address below:

sig-subscribe@yahoogroups.com - subscribe to SIG
sig-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com - unsubscribe from SIG
sig-digest@yahoogroups.com - switch your subscription to digest mode
sig-normal@yahoogroups.com - switch your subscription to normal mode

Be sure to reply to any message that YahooGroups sends you about your account
(and save your password if you were given one!).  If you don't reply,
YahooGroups may think you didn't want to really subscribe/unsubscribe/change
your settings.  This is a safety precaution done to prevent subscribers from
being the victims of pranksters.

**I'm on the digest.  How do I reply to separate messages?
To reply to a message found on the digest, 'cut' the contents of the message
that you wish to quote, 'paste' it in a message to sig@yahoogroups.com, and add
your comments.  Make sure you do NOT reply directly to the From: field on the
digest!  If this becomes a habit, then you will be put on a moderated status and
misdirected replies will be silently deleted.

**********************************************
List Courtesy

**I think that someone is being rude and insulting!  What can I do?
First, try reading the post again.  Sometimes it is hard to tell what a person
is really saying because of the difficulties of communicating using email.  It
also helps if you read all the posts on a subject before you respond, especially
if you get the digest.  Sometimes the concern has already been addressed.

If you still have a problem with what is being said, you have two options:
a) Talk to a moderator about your concerns.  It is their job is to handle stuff
like this.
b) Reply to the sender of the message without flaming

**What is "flaming"?
Flaming is a post, usually containing an argument or reply, that serves only to
exacerbate the situation.  If you have written something in the heat of anger,
irritation or excitement please re-read the post and take out the elements of
possible insult while getting the logic of your point across.  Flaming is a big
"no-no" on this List and offenders will be put on probation and moderated
(messages will be reviewed by a moderator before being sent to the List).
Overstepping the bounds of civility and courtesy, on mistake or on purpose, will
not be tolerated.  If the flaming continues, the offender(s) will be banned
permanently.

**I think we are drifting off topic/I think this list is too advanced for me.
If you are concerned that the topic has drifted, feel free to restate the
original topic and try to get everyone back on track. Just do it in a polite
manner.  As for concerns about the List being too advanced, please ask questions
about what you don't understand.  You will find people are very willing to
explain and clarify.  While it is true that sometimes the discussions can get a
bit esoteric, please remember that this List is aimed towards all levels of
research interest.

**Anything else I should know?
a) Please clip your posts!  This means only quoting what is relevant to your own
post and not including the entire letter unless absolutely necessary (which is
extremely rare).  It gets very annoying very quickly to have to page down
through an entire letter (or more!) that someone has stuck on the end of their
reply.

b) Keep subject lines relevant.  If a message thread has evolved to something
that has nothing to do with the original subject, please feel free to change the
subject line to something more appropriate.

***********************************************
Research

** Can you recommend some books for different eras and peoples?
There is an extensive bibliography (with notes) on the web at the main SIG page
You can also write to the list and ask for recommendations or reviews of
specific books, but it is a lot faster if you look at the SIG bibliography
first.

** Where can I find help developing my persona?
You are in luck!  There are several web pages that members of SIG-L have
created.  We call them Knowledge Pages.  They are aimed towards a specific
country and include information on dress, food, naming practices, persona
development, history, language and other themes.  Simply find the Knowledge Page
you wish and read, read, read!

**What are "the Knowledge Pages?"
They are a series of country-based web pages that are organized using similar
subject categories to aid research. Here you can find information on a wide
variety of subjects such as food, dress, persona development, history and much
more.  You can find the Knowledge Pages under our "Links" on YahooGroups, or
visit the main SIG page.

** Where can I find someone near me?
Feel free to ask on SIG-L!  This is also where becoming a member of SIG comes in
handy.  SIG maintains a member list that lists name, location, interests and
contact information.  You can simply scan the list and contact whomever you
choose.  It is linked off the main SIG page under "members".

**  Are there recipes for my culture? Where would I find them?
**  Where can I get ideas for clothing from my culture?
**  What about music and art?

To all the above: First, check out the appropriate Knowledge Page for the
culture in question.  You might also want to check out the Florilegium, a major
collection of messages arranged by subject headings.  The Florilegium is at
http://www.florilegium.org/
If you can't find answers there, try writing to the List.

We hope this FAQ has been helpful.  If you have any further questions or
suggestions, please let us know.

Happy Researching!



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Yahoo! Groups Links







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Very true.  Thankfully, the Yahoo! archives go back to the beginning.

I haven't actually seen this FAQ message in a very long time and other
parts of it are out of date.  If I get a moment, I'll try to update it.


Thanks,
Paul

On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Patty <Patoodle@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Dear friends and moderators:
>
> The address for the old SIG archives (http://sig-arc.hypermart.net) no
> longer works. :-(
>
> In service,
> Lady Patricia of Trakai
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sig <sig@yahoogroups.com>
> To: sig <sig@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sun, Dec 2, 2012 1:10 am
> Subject: [sig] File - FAQ.txt
>
> Slavic Interest Group Mailing List (SIG-L) Frequently Asked Questions
> (FAQ)
> Last update: 27 March 2005
> Main SIG page
> http://slavic.freeservers.com
>
> Main SIG-L page (message archives, etc.)
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sig
>
> Old SIG Message Archives
> http://sig-arc.hypermart.net/
>
> SIG organizer
> Paul Wickenden of Thanet (goldschp@...)
>
> SIG-L moderators
> Default (sig-owner@eyahoogroups.com)
> Yana (yana@...)
> Liudmila (LiudmilaV@...)
>
> To post a message: sig@yahoogroups.com
> To subscribe: sig-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
> To unsubscribe: sig-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> ***********************************************
> List Basics
>
> ** What is sig@yahoogroups.com?
> The SIG List (hereafter called "SIG-L") provides a discussion forum on the
> history and culture of the Medieval Slavic, Eastern European, and Central
> European world. We are aimed specifically towards members of the Society
> for
> Creative Anachronism (SCA) with Slavic, Eastern European and Central
> European
> personas, but we provide information and resources to anyone.
>
> ** Are SIG-L and the Slavic Interest Group the same organization?
> No. SIG-L is an offshoot of the larger and older Slavic Interest Group
> (hereafter called "SIG"). SIG-L was established as an additional way for
> members of SIG to talk to each other more quickly than via the quarterly
> newsletter. Not all the members of SIG are on SIG-L and vice versa. This
> means
> that if you are a member of SIG-L, it does not automatically make you a
> member
> of SIG. To become a member of SIG, write to the SIG organizer at
> goldschp@... or go to http://slavic.freeservers.com and follow the
> links
> there. Membership is free. We just ask that you be willing to share what
> you
> know with the rest of us.
>
> ** What cultures does SIG-L cover?
> SIG-L (and SIG) covers all the former members of the Soviet Union (just
> for
> convenience, no political agenda is implied). We encompass the medieval
> cultures of Russia, Ukraine, Hungary, Romania, Transylvania, Latvia,
> Lithuania,
> Karelia, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Slovenia, Great Moravia, Croatia,
> Serbia,
> Bosnia, Dalmatia, Albania, Poland, Estonia, Belarus, Moldova, Armenia,
> Georgia,
> Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Azerbaijan, Kirgizistan, Kazakhstan, Turkestan,
> Khazaria, and any related ethnic groups. We aren't _just_ a Slavic
> organization, it is just simpler to call ourselves "SIG" instead of trying
> to
> incorporate the initials of all the countries and groups we cover.
>
> ** You mentioned a newsletter...
> SIG publishes "Slovo", our quarterly newsletter. "Slovo" means "word" in
> many
> Slavic languages, so we thought it would be a good name for the
> newsletter. It
> comes out in the middle of the months of January, April, July and October.
> The
> submission deadlines are the first of those same months. Slovo is
> available
> free on the web off the main SIG page. Back issues are also archived
> there. If
> you need a paper copy, write to the editor at goldschp@.... Paper
> copies
> are also free, but donations are cheerfully accepted to cover copying and
> mailing costs.
>
> ** Does SIG-L have archives?
> Yes, in two places. The older archives can be viewed at
> http://sig-arc.hypermart.net/ The more recent archives are at
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sig
>
> ** What can I talk about here on SIG-L?
> Anything relating to pre-1650 CE (approximately) Slavic or Eastern or
> Central
> European history and culture or anything Slavic, Eastern European or
> Central
> European as it pertains to the SCA is welcome here. Sometimes we talk
> about
> modern subjects, which is okay as long as we generally stay on topic. Feel
> free
> to start a new topic, ask questions or debate a subject. We have beginners
> on
> the List as well as advanced and professional researchers, but everyone is
> friendly and we all welcome questions and subjects at any level.
>
> ** What is not permitted on the list?
> a) Personal Flamewars. Debating a subject is fine, heated argument is not.
> b) Personal Attacks/Rudeness. Attack the argument, not the author.
> c) Ethnic, Regional, Racist, and Cultural insults. This is absolutely not
> acceptable here.
> d) SPAM. This includes chain letters, appeals from charities, virus
> warnings,
> etc.
> e) UCE (Unsolicited Commercial Email). Commercial posts are allowed if
> they
> are pre-approved by one of the moderators.
>
> ** What are the basic commands for this list?
> SIG-L is based off YahooGroups, a web-based provider. Through YahooGroups
> (http://www.yahoogroups.com) you can subscribe, unsubscribe and otherwise
> manage
> your account. Simply enter your email address and the password you were
> given
> when you subscribed and follow the directions there. If you are not yet a
> member, follow the directions given there to sign up for an account.
>
> ** What if I don't have web-access or don't want to use the YahooGroups
> website?
> Not a problem, you can still manage your subscription easily (and you
> don't even
> need a password). Send a blank email (no message or subject) to the
> appropriate
> address below:
>
> sig-subscribe@yahoogroups.com - subscribe to SIG
> sig-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com - unsubscribe from SIG
> sig-digest@yahoogroups.com - switch your subscription to digest mode
> sig-normal@yahoogroups.com - switch your subscription to normal mode
>
> Be sure to reply to any message that YahooGroups sends you about your
> account
> (and save your password if you were given one!). If you don't reply,
> YahooGroups may think you didn't want to really
> subscribe/unsubscribe/change
> your settings. This is a safety precaution done to prevent subscribers
> from
> being the victims of pranksters.
>
> **I'm on the digest. How do I reply to separate messages?
> To reply to a message found on the digest, 'cut' the contents of the
> message
> that you wish to quote, 'paste' it in a message to sig@yahoogroups.com,
> and add
> your comments. Make sure you do NOT reply directly to the From: field on
> the
> digest! If this becomes a habit, then you will be put on a moderated
> status and
> misdirected replies will be silently deleted.
>
> **********************************************
> List Courtesy
>
> **I think that someone is being rude and insulting! What can I do?
> First, try reading the post again. Sometimes it is hard to tell what a
> person
> is really saying because of the difficulties of communicating using email.
> It
> also helps if you read all the posts on a subject before you respond,
> especially
> if you get the digest. Sometimes the concern has already been addressed.
>
> If you still have a problem with what is being said, you have two options:
> a) Talk to a moderator about your concerns. It is their job is to handle
> stuff
> like this.
> b) Reply to the sender of the message without flaming
>
> **What is "flaming"?
> Flaming is a post, usually containing an argument or reply, that serves
> only to
> exacerbate the situation. If you have written something in the heat of
> anger,
> irritation or excitement please re-read the post and take out the elements
> of
> possible insult while getting the logic of your point across. Flaming is a
> big
> "no-no" on this List and offenders will be put on probation and moderated
> (messages will be reviewed by a moderator before being sent to the List).
> Overstepping the bounds of civility and courtesy, on mistake or on
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I've started work on the Winter Slovo and could definitely use some
articles to publish.  If you have material that would be of interest
to the Slavic Interest Group, let me know directly (off-list).  The
deadline is January 1st.

Thanks,

Paul Wickenden of Thanet
goldschp@...

Hi,
I'm looking for someone preferably in the SCA who can make a pair of Hussar
style boots. I've alreasy tried to contact Master Seamus without any success.
Revial Clothing said thay will not.
Can anyone help?
Thanks,

THL Kevin Ambrozijwski

Try these,

http://www.armlann.com/boots.htm
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Rising-Sun-Leather/209396382418492?fref=ts
(Rising Sun Leather)


Sir Boris Movila
  <https://sites.google.com/site/casadetaur/home> Member of House Muntesti

From: sig@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sig@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
krpurtell
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 12:04 PM
To: sig@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sig] Hussar boots


Hi,
I'm looking for someone preferably in the SCA who can make a pair of Hussar
style boots. I've alreasy tried to contact Master Seamus without any
success. Revial Clothing said thay will not.
Can anyone help?
Thanks,

THL Kevin Ambrozijwski



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If the Hussar boot is similar to dance boot,  you can also try dance groups
sites. I know I've seen Hungarian boots when I've gone on line looking for
Ukrainian Dance Boots for my dance students.

Julianna Jeo Vousdy




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  From: Scott Bradley <sbradley3@...>
To: sig@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 2:56:29 PM
Subject: RE: [sig] Hussar boots


 
Try these,

http://www.armlann.com/boots.htm
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Rising-Sun-Leather/209396382418492?fref=ts
(Rising Sun Leather)


Sir Boris Movila
<https://sites.google.com/site/casadetaur/home> Member of House Muntesti

From: sig@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sig@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
krpurtell
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 12:04 PM
To: sig@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sig] Hussar boots


Hi,
I'm looking for someone preferably in the SCA who can make a pair of Hussar
style boots. I've alreasy tried to contact Master Seamus without any
success. Revial Clothing said thay will not.
Can anyone help?
Thanks,

THL Kevin Ambrozijwski

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Greetings:

Just joined the list and thought it would be polite to say Hi.

I've been coveting the eastern european styles for some time, now I am about to
move east (out to a small country town) of my local group (in Lochac) I figured
it would be fun to develop an eastern version of my persona, although I can't
decide whether to create a whole new persona or take my English 1470-1520
generic lady persona travelling and give her a Russian version of her name.

As long as it involves velvet and embroidery I'll be in heaven!

Cheers :)

Lady Catherine of Shirwode

(Fiona)

I know that you are trying to look in the SCA, but have you looked at Polish
Hussar Supply Plus?  That is where I got mine, and they outfit Hussar
reenactors.

http://www.polishhussarsupply.com/

Yours in service,

Pan Mikulaj von Meissen

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> Hi,
> I'm looking for someone preferably in the SCA who can make a pair of Hussar
style boots. I've alreasy tried to contact Master Seamus without any success.
Revial Clothing said thay will not.
> Can anyone help?
> Thanks,
>
> THL Kevin Ambrozijwski
>

Hello fellow Slavic Interest Group members!

I am looking at trying to build up my research library (starting with
telling people what I want for Christmas ;) ) and I need a list of books
that at least cover 16th C. Russia. My Laurel has sent me a list, and I
have gone through some websites for bibliographies (especially Liudmilla's)
but I am looking to see if there are other books that people use that may
not be on my lists. My main focus is 16th Century Russian garb,
embroidery/pearling, and lifestyle. I also already have the English version
of the Domostroi.

The books can be in Russian or English, as I have a scanner, Adobe Acrobat
Professional, and translation methods.

Thanks for all your help!

Kseniia


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I got a pair of boots from this merchant and am very pleased with them. Mine are
a Magyar(Hungarian) cut of boot but all their items are first rate.
Valkai Istvan


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To: sig@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2012 6:24 AM
Subject: [sig] Re: Hussar boots

 
I know that you are trying to look in the SCA, but have you looked at Polish
Hussar Supply Plus? That is where I got mine, and they outfit Hussar reenactors.

http://www.polishhussarsupply.com/

Yours in service,

Pan Mikulaj von Meissen

--- In mailto:sig%40yahoogroups.com, "krpurtell" <krpurtell@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I'm looking for someone preferably in the SCA who can make a pair of Hussar
style boots. I've alreasy tried to contact Master Seamus without any success.
Revial Clothing said thay will not.
> Can anyone help?
> Thanks,
>
> THL Kevin Ambrozijwski
>




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Greetings Kseniia!

Look for works of Sigizmund Gerberstein (he was a German ambassador in Russia at
the time of Ivan The Terrible) and also Ivan Zabelin (who, while in XVII c, but
was interested in earlier history and wrote quite a few books). While without
images, the books have good descriptions.

Good luck!
Tatiana Moskovskaia

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> Hello fellow Slavic Interest Group members!
>
> I am looking at trying to build up my research library (starting with

Do you know the names of the translators? Or where I may find those books?
Having a rough time finding them through my usual spots.

Thanks!
Kristina


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As always, google is a good resource...

Google 'Sigizmund Gerberstein', and look in the books tab. This gives you
several books by 'Sigismund Herberstein' about Moscow and Russia. Those are
probably the ones Tatiana was referring to.

Also works for Ivan Zabelin. Especially, if you limit the google books
search by "author:Ivan Zabelin"

Anya



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>
> Do you know the names of the translators? Or where I may find those books?
> Having a rough time finding them through my usual spots.
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> Thanks!
> Kristina
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You could also look on Amazon, just put the author name in the search. I
will look up the book names later tonight, when I get home from work.

Tatiana


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This came across the outlands group and I thought it would be appropriate here.

***

1. OT but a great extant clothing site
     Posted by: "Kathleen Buckley" kathleengbuckley@... kathleengbuckley
     Date: Sat Dec 22, 2012 5:58 am ((PST))

For anyone who hasn't run into it, the following Czechoslavakian site has great
pictures of a wide variety of seldom-seen extant garments from the early Middle
Ages
through the Renaissance. Cotes, kirtles, surcoats, doublets, accessories like
jewelry, belts, pouches, shoes . . . everything. From countries all over Europe
(granted, a number come from Germany and Eastern Europe but a number come from
England, Spain, Italy and others). Pictures of things you never see. For
instance,
the "batwat" which was a sort of Balaclava which I'd guess was meant to be worn
under a helm. Up close views of hairnets.

  This part of the site is in English. Other parts . . . not necessarily. But a
picture is worth a thousand words.

http://www.kostym.cz/Anglicky/obsah.htmal

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Archaeologia historica has put some of it's volumes online in PDF format:
http://www.phil.muni.cz/waoa/home/publikacni-cinnost/publications/periodical/arc\
haeologia-historica/archaeologia-historica-summary

As you can see, it's the entire volume, not split up into individual articles
but here are some of the highlights I found:

Archaeologia historica 36(2) 20011
http://www.phil.muni.cz/waoa/home/Documents/ah/AH2011_2.pdf

Milena Bravermanová: "Fragment of a Funeral Dress and a Kruseler Veil from the
Casket of Czech Queens in the Royal Tomb, St. Vitus Cathedral" / "Fragment
pohřebních šatů a závoj, tzv. kruseler, z rakve českých královen
z královské hrobky v katedrále sv. Víta"
pages 281-312
Discusses a kruseler veil, another scarf, and a sleeveless surcote-looking
garment that was believed to have had a separate, gathered skirt!

Archaeologia historica 35 (1-2) 2010
http://www.phil.muni.cz/waoa/home/Documents/ah/AH2010.pdf

Milena Bravermanová: "Funeral Attire of a Czech Queen from the Royal Tomb in St.
Vitus Cathedral" / "Pohřební šaty jedné z českých královen z královské
hrobky v katedrále sv. Víta"
pages 202-222
Discusses a possible sleeveless surcote (it's unclear if there were originally
sleeves or not), and a pillow.

František Gabriel-Lucie Kracíková: "On the Function of Small Ceramic
Sculptures"/"K funkci drobné keramické plastiky"
pages 225-232
Lots of images of ceramic 'dolls' or figurines, naturally enough wearing
interesting clothes.

Zdeněk Měřínský-Rudolf Procházka: "Some Aspects of Everyday and
Festive Life of the Mediaeval Man in Moravia and Silesia" /"K některým
aspektům každodenního a svátečního života středověkého
člověka na Moravě a ve Slezsku"
pages 7-44

Tomáš Durdík: "Some Notes on Everyday Life in Czech Castles" / "Několik
poznámek k české hradní každodennosti"
pages 45-62
Puzzle jugs, what looks like a nutcracker, gaming pieces and other interesting
things

Markéta Tymonová: "Archaeological Evidence of the Everyday Life of the
Inhabitants of Cvilín Castle in the Middle Ages and the Early Modern Age" /
"Archeologické doklady každodenního života obyvatel hradu Cvilína v období
středověku a raného novověku"
pages 63-79

Zdeňka Měchurová: "The World of Mediaeval Children and Games in
Archaeological Sources" / "Středověký svět dětí a her v
archeologických pramenech"
pages 95- 107
Amongst other things, there are plenty of images of whirligigs, rattles and
ceramics.

Petr Žákovský: "Fresco with a Motif of Wrestlers from Švihov Castle in the
Context of the Development of European Combat Systems"/ "Freska s motivem
zápasníků z hradu Švihova v kontextu vývoje evropských bojových
systémů"
pages 310-332
Covers Fechbücher, sculpture, frescoes, manuscript images, and looks really
interesting! No idea if any of this would be useful in SCA or HEMA combat
though.

Čeněk Pavlík: "Dragons on Gothic and Renaissance Tiles, or the Magic
World of the Imagination" / "Draci na kachlích gotiky a renesance aneb kouzelný
svět fantazie"
pages 273-301

Enjoy!
~ffride/Asfridhr/Rebecca

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charles

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Istvan, Charles Stefanich, has run his anti-virus and changed password for his
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YIS,

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Slavic Interest Group Mailing List (SIG-L) Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)
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Happy Researching!

Both of these images are 14th century paintings of late 10th/early 11th centtury
saints Boris and Gleb of the Kievan Rus.

[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/%D0%A1%D0%B2%D1%8F\
%D1%82%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D0%91%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%81_%D0%B8_%D0%93%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B\
1.jpg/220px-%D0%A1%D0%B2%D1%8F%D1%82%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D0%91%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%81_\
%D0%B8_%D0%93%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B1.jpg[/img]
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Boris_Gleb_astride\
.jpg/220px-Boris_Gleb_astride.jpg[/img]

There is obviously "something" going on with the interior of their cloaks. (The
red cloak moreso than the black brocade(?) cloak, but on the left picture you
can see definite detail of what looks to me like squares and stitches.

Does anyone know of a quilted cloak? I've never heard of such a thing, but this
could be a 14th century thing being applied to the 11th century saints. And I
know nothing of the 14th century.

-Halbrust


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It looks like fur to me.  The red cloak pattern looks like vair to me.

Katherine

On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 14:11:21 -0500 (EST), Joseph Belcher
<iegrappling@...> wrote:
> Both of these images are 14th century paintings of late 10th/early 11th
> centtury saints Boris and Gleb of the Kievan Rus.
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I hadn't thought of fur (duh!)
The image on horses does look like fur. But the black cloak on the standing
image looks like something other than fur still.
The single stitch at the top of each square is making me think too

-Halbrust

-----Original Message-----
From: wheezul <wheezul@...>
To: sig <sig@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Feb 8, 2013 11:24 am
Subject: Re: [sig] Quilted cloaks?




It looks like fur to me. The red cloak pattern looks like vair to me.

Katherine

On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 14:11:21 -0500 (EST), Joseph Belcher
iegrappling@...> wrote:
> Both of these images are 14th century paintings of late 10th/early 11th
> centtury saints Boris and Gleb of the Kievan Rus.
>




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Yes sir! The socalled chuga a sleeveless long jacket like this:




From: Joseph Belcher
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 8:11 PM
To: sig@yahoogroups.com ; norsefolk_2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sig] Quilted cloaks?



Both of these images are 14th century paintings of late 10th/early 11th centtury
saints Boris and Gleb of the Kievan Rus.

[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/%D0%A1%D0%B2%D1%8F\
%D1%82%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D0%91%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%81_%D0%B8_%D0%93%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B\
1.jpg/220px-%D0%A1%D0%B2%D1%8F%D1%82%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D0%91%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%81_\
%D0%B8_%D0%93%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B1.jpg[/img]
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Boris_Gleb_astride\
.jpg/220px-Boris_Gleb_astride.jpg[/img]

There is obviously "something" going on with the interior of their cloaks. (The
red cloak moreso than the black brocade(?) cloak, but on the left picture you
can see definite detail of what looks to me like squares and stitches.

Does anyone know of a quilted cloak? I've never heard of such a thing, but this
could be a 14th century thing being applied to the 11th century saints. And I
know nothing of the 14th century.

-Halbrust

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