On 7/30/2012 6:40 AM, kevin purtrell wrote:
>
> Can you re-post the link?
> For me it is broken.
>
> Kevin Ambrozijwski
>
> --- On Sun, 7/29/12, maudeleyn@...
> <mailto:maudeleyn%40pobox.com> <maudeleyn@...
> <mailto:maudeleyn%40pobox.com>> wrote:
>
> From: maudeleyn@... <mailto:maudeleyn%40pobox.com>
> <maudeleyn@... <mailto:maudeleyn%40pobox.com>>
> Subject: [sig] Sorting out Polish headgear
> To: sig@yahoogroups.com <mailto:sig%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sunday, July 29, 2012, 4:12 PM
>
>
>
> So I'm hoping to make this outfit before mid-September.
>
>
http://www.artchive.com/web_gallery/L/Lucas-The-Younger-Cranach/Barbara-Radziwil\
l-(1520-51)-c.1553-56.html
>
> I'm trying to sort through the pieces. I think I get the cap on top,
> but below, how many pieces am I looking at? What are the shapes? Are
> these the podwika and the bramka? I'm having trouble understanding
> where one stops and the other begins.
>
> I realize I'm probably asking at the wrong time as everyone is off to
> Pennsic, but I probably won't get started for a week or two because I
> am about to have a baby at any minute!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Maudeleyn
>
hi,
here is a tinyurl.com version *http://tinyurl.com/bqaryy5
more folks should use that
*


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Thank you Ann for letting us know about removing the comma. What a fantastic
site!

Irene
--- In sig@yahoogroups.com, Zsigmond Szekely <zsiggy66@...> wrote:
>
> Wow I would love to see that as I have a Hungarian persona and a Hun
> persona two different.
>
> Zsiggy
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Greetings to the list,

Does anyone know of card/tablet weaving examples from Kievan Rus or
nearby regions?  I'd like to weave a belt for myself, but can't find a
source for reproducible patterns.  I might just base a pattern on
embroidery or architectural motifs, but was really looking for
something more precise that I can site in documentation.

Thanks!
Lady Anya Sergeeva

Anya,
�
Answering this & the comment you left on my site:� there is a reference to
fabric�with a "diamond" or "rhomb" pattern brocaded into it�in Kolchin.� See
Sofya La Rus's translation
here:http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser/Russia/kolchin.html� it's towards the
end of of Page 94.��
�
For the project you commented on from my website, I was just learning card
weaving for the first time, so I used a very simple pattern that I felt was at
least 'diamond'-like, given my limited skills.���I have not done any extended
research into narrow weaving in Rus, but it's something I should look at....
hm....
�
now with a new project,
Sfandra

******************
Boiarynia Sfandra Dmitrieva Chernigova
O.L., O.M., K.O.E., Haus VDK, East Kingdom
http://sfandra.webs.com
Never 'pearl' your butt.
******************


________________________________
  From: Anya Stickney <anyas5@...>
To: sig@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 6:41 PM
Subject: [sig] Card Weaving in Kievan Rus

Greetings to the list,

Does anyone know of card/tablet weaving examples from Kievan Rus or
nearby regions?� I'd like to weave a belt for myself, but can't find a
source for reproducible patterns.� I might just base a pattern on
embroidery or architectural motifs, but was really looking for
something more precise that I can site in documentation.

Thanks!
Lady Anya Sergeeva


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There are pictures of 3 narrow woven bands in "The Archaeology of Medieval
Novgorod in Context" ed. Mark Brisbane, in the article on textile
production. At least one of them looks tabletwoven.


Marya Kargashina

On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 6:12 AM, Sfandra <seonaid13@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Anya,
>
> Answering this & the comment you left on my site:  there is a reference to
> fabric with a "diamond" or "rhomb" pattern brocaded into it in Kolchin.
> See Sofya La Rus's translation here:
> http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser/Russia/kolchin.html  it's towards the
> end of of Page 94.
>
> For the project you commented on from my website, I was just learning card
> weaving for the first time, so I used a very simple pattern that I felt was
> at least 'diamond'-like, given my limited skills.   I have not done any
> extended research into narrow weaving in Rus, but it's something I should
> look at.... hm....
>
> now with a new project,
> Sfandra
>
> ******************
> Boiarynia Sfandra Dmitrieva Chernigova
> O.L., O.M., K.O.E., Haus VDK, East Kingdom
> http://sfandra.webs.com
> Never 'pearl' your butt.
> ******************
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Anya Stickney <anyas5@...>
> To: sig@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 6:41 PM
> Subject: [sig] Card Weaving in Kievan Rus
>
>
> Greetings to the list,
>
> Does anyone know of card/tablet weaving examples from Kievan Rus or
> nearby regions?  I'd like to weave a belt for myself, but can't find a
> source for reproducible patterns.  I might just base a pattern on
> embroidery or architectural motifs, but was really looking for
> something more precise that I can site in documentation.
>
> Thanks!
> Lady Anya Sergeeva
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Greetings from Sofya to Anya,

On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Anya Stickney <anyas5@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of card/tablet weaving examples from Kievan Rus or
> nearby regions?  I'd like to weave a belt for myself, but can't find a
> source for reproducible patterns.  I might just base a pattern on
> embroidery or architectural motifs, but was really looking for
> something more precise that I can site in documentation.
>
> Thanks!
> Lady Anya Sergeeva

Examples are a little hard to find.

Lithuanian, Estonian, Latvian and Karelian examples can be
instructive.  Norse, too.

Searching in Russian can work:  ������ �� �������� is one term for
card-weaving.  You can add in ���������� (archeology) or ������� ����
(ancient Rus) to try to narrow things down further.
http://fox-hand-made.ru/tkachestvo-na-doshhechkah/
http://doris-zh.livejournal.com/2247.html
http://my.mail.ru/community/pytipravi/6713531D95A64782.html
http://svarga.3dn.ru/pasporta/pasport_volch.html
http://ellana666.livejournal.com/33500.html

There's a nice belt-weaving set-up shown here:
http://ia-iv.mosoblonline.ru/interview/94.html

http://www.narodko.ru/article/kroy/poaca_i_opoacki.htm
http://slavyanskaya-kultura.ru/slavic/symbol/vozdeistvie-slavjanskogo-ornamenta-\
na-organizm-cheloveka.html
http://zoroastrian.ru/node/1315
http://old-chest.narod.ru/tkach.htm

Hopefully those will whet your appetite!

Sofya

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Mason City, IA aka Shire of Heraldshill, Calontir
                   ___
http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser
                      {o,o}
"Mir znachit Pax Romanov"
                        (__(|
"Et nunc et semper, etiam atque etiam, et discere et exquire et alia."
          -^-^-`
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That you everybody for your help!

Anya


On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Lisa Kies <lkies319@...> wrote:
> Greetings from Sofya to Anya,
>
> On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Anya Stickney <anyas5@...> wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone know of card/tablet weaving examples from Kievan Rus or
>> nearby regions?  I'd like to weave a belt for myself, but can't find a
>> source for reproducible patterns.  I might just base a pattern on
>> embroidery or architectural motifs, but was really looking for
>> something more precise that I can site in documentation.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Lady Anya Sergeeva
>
> Examples are a little hard to find.
>
> Lithuanian, Estonian, Latvian and Karelian examples can be
> instructive.  Norse, too.
>
> Searching in Russian can work:  ������ �� �������� is one term for
> card-weaving.  You can add in ���������� (archeology) or ������� ����
> (ancient Rus) to try to narrow things down further.
> http://fox-hand-made.ru/tkachestvo-na-doshhechkah/
> http://doris-zh.livejournal.com/2247.html
> http://my.mail.ru/community/pytipravi/6713531D95A64782.html
> http://svarga.3dn.ru/pasporta/pasport_volch.html
> http://ellana666.livejournal.com/33500.html
>
> There's a nice belt-weaving set-up shown here:
> http://ia-iv.mosoblonline.ru/interview/94.html
>
> http://www.narodko.ru/article/kroy/poaca_i_opoacki.htm
>
http://slavyanskaya-kultura.ru/slavic/symbol/vozdeistvie-slavjanskogo-ornamenta-\
na-organizm-cheloveka.html
> http://zoroastrian.ru/node/1315
> http://old-chest.narod.ru/tkach.htm
>
> Hopefully those will whet your appetite!
>
> Sofya
>
>
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-------------------------------------
> Lisa M. Kies, MD aka Sofya la Rus, OL, CW, CSH, druzhinnitsa Kramolnikova
> Mason City, IA aka Shire of Heraldshill, Calontir
>                   ___
> http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser
>                      {o,o}
> "Mir znachit Pax Romanov"
>                        (__(|
> "Et nunc et semper, etiam atque etiam, et discere et exquire et alia."
>          -^-^-`
>
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>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Tried posting this earlier but Yahoo was being stubborn about it.

After digging in Nancy Spies Ecclesiastical Pomp and Aristocratic Circumstance
historical tabletweving book, and then hitting her website,
http://weavershand.com/brocade.htm#R , I found these entries:


Khvoschinskaya, Natalia. "New Finds of Medieval Textiles in the North of
Novgorod Land." In Archaeological Textiles in Northern Europe (NESAT IV), edited
by Lise Bender J�rgensen and Elisabeth Munksg�rd, 128-133. Copenhagen: Kongelige
Danske Kunstakademi, 1992. A brief mention of several eighth- to twelfth-century
tabletwoven bands, one possibly a silk and gold brocaded band, from the Ladoga
area north of Novgorod, Russia.

Kostelnikov�, Marie. "Eine kurzgefasste �bersicht �ber die Textilforschung in
M�hren (Tschechoslowakei).' In Textiles in Northern Archaeology (NESAT III),
edited by Penelope Walton and John Peter Wild, 113-118. London: Archetype
Publications, 1990. Includes three wooden tablets from early medieval
Czechoslovakia.

NESAT IV and III are hard to find, but you might be able to get them through
ILL.

The book itself also has more extensive references for Byzantium, which may or
may not influence what you are looking for. There are footnote references to
finds in Poland and Lihtuania, but no pictures.

PAtches

--- In sig@yahoogroups.com, Anya Stickney <anyas5@...> wrote:
>
> That you everybody for your help!
>
> Anya
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Lisa Kies <lkies319@...> wrote:
> > Greetings from Sofya to Anya,
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Anya Stickney <anyas5@...> wrote:
> >>
> >> Does anyone know of card/tablet weaving examples from Kievan Rus or
> >> nearby regions?  I'd like to weave a belt for myself, but can't find a
> >> source for reproducible patterns.  I might just base a pattern on
> >> embroidery or architectural motifs, but was really looking for
> >> something more precise that I can site in documentation.
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >> Lady Anya Sergeeva
> >
> > Examples are a little hard to find.
> >
> > Lithuanian, Estonian, Latvian and Karelian examples can be
> > instructive.  Norse, too.
> >
> > Searching in Russian can work:  ������ �� �������� is one term for
> > card-weaving.  You can add in ���������� (archeology) or ������� ����
> > (ancient Rus) to try to narrow things down further.
> > http://fox-hand-made.ru/tkachestvo-na-doshhechkah/
> > http://doris-zh.livejournal.com/2247.html
> > http://my.mail.ru/community/pytipravi/6713531D95A64782.html
> > http://svarga.3dn.ru/pasporta/pasport_volch.html
> > http://ellana666.livejournal.com/33500.html
> >
> > There's a nice belt-weaving set-up shown here:
> > http://ia-iv.mosoblonline.ru/interview/94.html
> >
> > http://www.narodko.ru/article/kroy/poaca_i_opoacki.htm
> >
http://slavyanskaya-kultura.ru/slavic/symbol/vozdeistvie-slavjanskogo-ornamenta-\
na-organizm-cheloveka.html
> > http://zoroastrian.ru/node/1315
> > http://old-chest.narod.ru/tkach.htm
> >
> > Hopefully those will whet your appetite!
> >
> > Sofya
> >
> >
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-------------------------------------
> > Lisa M. Kies, MD aka Sofya la Rus, OL, CW, CSH, druzhinnitsa Kramolnikova
> > Mason City, IA aka Shire of Heraldshill, Calontir
> >                   ___
> > http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser
> >                      {o,o}
> > "Mir znachit Pax Romanov"
> >                        (__(|
> > "Et nunc et semper, etiam atque etiam, et discere et exquire et alia."
> >          -^-^-`
> >
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\
--------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

Hi,
                 My name is Capt. Boris Movila, I am a long time lurker on
this listserve.  I was recently put on vigil for the Order of the Chivalry.
My persona is Wallachian and to add a little extra to the ceremony I would
like to recite my knight's oath in Hungarian.  Is there anyone on this list,
willing and able to help me out?  See the text below.  If possible I would
like the exact and phonetic write ups.   Thanks.

"I here swear fealty and do homage
to the Crown of the Middle Kingdom:
To ever be a good knight and true,
Reverent and generous,
Shield of the weak,
Obedient to my liege-lord,
Foremost in battle,
Courteous at all times,
Champion of the right and the good.
Thus swear I, Sir <<Name>>"


Capt. Boris Movila
Warlord, Barony of Flaming Gryphon



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Congratulations!

Can't wait to see the translation.  :)

Have you tried Google translate?


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I have but I would feel really bad if the A.I. miss interpreted a phrasing
to something 'obedient to my liege's horse'.  Does anyone have experience
with it?  Is it fairly reliable or not?

Capt. Boris Movila
Warlord, Barony of Flaming Gryphon

From: sig@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sig@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Pan
Zygmunt Nadratowski
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 7:42 PM
To: sig
Subject: [sig] Re: Oath Translation


Have you tried Google translate?

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It's not horrible. One good test is to translate the result back
to English and see how badly mangled it is. A story from the early days of
computers has"out of sight, out of mind" go to Chinese and back resulting
in "invisible idiot". On the other hand if the translation comes back
acceptably you should be fine.

Svoi Ivonov

On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 9:02 PM, Scott Bradley <sbradley3@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> I have but I would feel really bad if the A.I. miss interpreted a phrasing
> to something 'obedient to my liege's horse'. Does anyone have experience
> with it? Is it fairly reliable or not?
>
>
> Capt. Boris Movila
> Warlord, Barony of Flaming Gryphon
>
> From: sig@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sig@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Pan
> Zygmunt Nadratowski
> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 7:42 PM
> To: sig
> Subject: [sig] Re: Oath Translation
>
>
>
> Have you tried Google translate?
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Svoi Ivonov

	 I gave it a try, it came out pretty good after a couple tweaks.  I
feel comfortable with it.  Thanks for the tip.

Capt. Boris Movila
Warlord, Barony of Flaming Gryphon


-----Original Message-----
From: sig@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sig@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Owen
Smith
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 6:44 AM
To: sig@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sig] Re: Oath Translation

It's not horrible. One good test is to translate the result back
to English and see how badly mangled it is. A story from the early days of
computers has"out of sight, out of mind" go to Chinese and back resulting
in "invisible idiot". On the other hand if the translation comes back
acceptably you should be fine.

Svoi Ivonov

On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 9:02 PM, Scott Bradley <sbradley3@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> I have but I would feel really bad if the A.I. miss interpreted a phrasing
> to something 'obedient to my liege's horse'. Does anyone have experience
> with it? Is it fairly reliable or not?
>
>
> Capt. Boris Movila
> Warlord, Barony of Flaming Gryphon
>
> From: sig@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sig@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Pan
> Zygmunt Nadratowski
> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 7:42 PM
> To: sig
> Subject: [sig] Re: Oath Translation
>
>
>
> Have you tried Google translate?
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Glad it helped. I used it for my Laurel oath.
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>  Svoi Ivonov
>
> I gave it a try, it came out pretty good after a couple tweaks. I
> feel comfortable with it. Thanks for the tip.
>
> Capt. Boris Movila
> Warlord, Barony of Flaming Gryphon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sig@yahoogroups.**com <sig%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:
> sig@yahoogroups.**com <sig%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Owen
> Smith
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 6:44 AM
> To: sig@yahoogroups.**com <sig%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [sig] Re: Oath Translation
>
> It's not horrible. One good test is to translate the result back
> to English and see how badly mangled it is. A story from the early days of
> computers has"out of sight, out of mind" go to Chinese and back resulting
> in "invisible idiot". On the other hand if the translation comes back
> acceptably you should be fine.
>
> Svoi Ivonov
>
> On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 9:02 PM, Scott Bradley
<sbradley3@woh.**rr.com<sbradley3%40woh.rr.com>>
> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > I have but I would feel really bad if the A.I. miss interpreted a
> phrasing
> > to something 'obedient to my liege's horse'. Does anyone have experience
> > with it? Is it fairly reliable or not?
> >
> >
> > Capt. Boris Movila
> > Warlord, Barony of Flaming Gryphon
> >
> > From: sig@yahoogroups.**com <sig%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:
> sig@yahoogroups.**com <sig%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Pan
> > Zygmunt Nadratowski
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 7:42 PM
> > To: sig
> > Subject: [sig] Re: Oath Translation
> >
> >
> >
> > Have you tried Google translate?
> >
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> >
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> >
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>
> I have a seamstress friend who is interested in Russian sarafan and
> kukushnik (sp?), I am trying to give her ideas, but all I know is Polish
> style.
>
>
Can anyone help with websites with pics and or links to good info??


PS - she would like to make the outfit for the middle of next month ... sigh

Katheryne the Spinner


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On 08/31/2012 12:22 PM, Purple Kat wrote:
>>
>> I have a seamstress friend who is interested in Russian sarafan and
>> kukushnik (sp?), I am trying to give her ideas, but all I know is Polish
>> style.
>>
>>
> Can anyone help with websites with pics and or links to good info??
>

Have you seen:

http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser/Russia/Tatiana/index.html


--
Cathy Raymond
cathy@...
(610) 805-9542

"Remember that time is money."
--Benjamin Franklin

Hop on Pinterest and search on words like russian, costume, sarafan, etc.
There are some really nice pics collected there by fellow SCAers, as well
as those simply interested in Russian and costuming and fashion.

I also echo the recommendation of the strangelove site..


Baron Kazimir Petrovich Pomeshanov

*Aut Aude, Aut Tace! Be bold or be silent!*

www.kazimir-petrovich.blogspot.com<http://www.kazimir.petrovich.blogspot.com/>
http://pinterest.com/kazimir/





On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 12:22 PM, Purple Kat <purplkat597@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> >
> > I have a seamstress friend who is interested in Russian sarafan and
> > kukushnik (sp?), I am trying to give her ideas, but all I know is Polish
> > style.
> >
> >
> Can anyone help with websites with pics and or links to good info??
>
> PS - she would like to make the outfit for the middle of next month ...
> sigh
>
> Katheryne the Spinner
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



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Hi all,
Fennoscandia Archaeologica, a few years ago, put up all of their backissues of
their journal online, in PDF format for free. For some reason, the links broke
rather quickly, but it seems to be back now:

J�ri Peets, 1987. Totenhandschuhe im Bestattungsbrauchtum der Esten und anderen
Ostseefinnen [Mittens of the dead in the funeral customs of the Estonians, and
other Baltic Finns] _Fennoscandia Archaeologica_ IV; 105-116
http://www.sarks.fi/fa/PDF/FA4_105.pdf

Leena Tomanter�, 1987. Appendix: Nadelhandschuhe aus der j�ngeren Eisenzeit in
Finnland [Needle-mittens from the younger Iron Age in Finland] _Fennoscandia
Archaeologica_ IV; 117-120.
http://www.sarks.fi/fa/PDF/FA4_117.pdf

For more articles, see: http://www.sarks.fi/fa/fa_articles.html

Enjoy!

~ ffride

Thank you!!!

Rekon of Saaremaa


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This is a heads up that I've been warned of malware on one of the sig sites:

(Don't click this link unless you are protected):
http://slavic.freeservers.com/sig_list.html

I got to this page by searching "Slavic Interest Group", and clicking the
"Join our online discussion group" link on this page:
http://slavic.freeservers.com/


I haven't followed any of the other links off that page.

Cheers,

Kazimira


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Yes, we're looking for submissions for the Fall Slovo.  I'm fairly
open when it comes to submissions.  I'd especially be interested in
articles about Pennsic.

Contact me off-list if you have something of interest.

The deadline for the Fall issue is October 1st.


Thanks,
Paul Wickenden

Greetings unto the Slavic Interest Group,

My friends, I have a client who is seeking to register for her primary
persona name *Libuše Makovička*.  Mundanely, her grandmother’s surname
is Makovička, and we have found the name *Libuše* is common enough in the
modern age, and known to be the name of a princess in Bohemian legend.  The
best translation I have of Libuše is some form of *love*, and Makovička
translates to *poppy head*.  Makovička is found at
http://zlimpkk.tripod.com/Genealogy/czechsurnames.html, among another
place, that I can't recall at the moment.

Any help on this would be greatly appreciated.  Unfortunately, I don't read
Czech.

*Given in loyal service by mine own hand and seal this eighth day of
September, A.S. XLVII, I am
*
*Lord Michael FitzGeoffrey, GdS, OLM, **Midhaven Pursuivant-of-Arms*
*
*

http://wiki.antir.sca.org/index.php?title=Michael_FitzGeoffrey
http://www.michaelfitzgeoffrey.blogspot.com/


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Greetings!

I'm looking for a new bow and I'd like to tailor it to my Russian persona.

Right now I'm leaning toward a Kassai bow, but not sure which one is right.

Has anyone gotten a bow to match a Russian persona?
What did you get? How did it work out?
All advice and suggestions are welcome :)

�

Thank you all in advance,



Lada

Oooooh...
SHINY!


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602b7ffc&type=1

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My daughter uses a mongolian horse bow. The earlier period would be, I
believe, a longbow.
Hope this helps,

Tatiana


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I, as well, use a Mongolian horse bow. There are samples of that style bow
in period. And oh, they are a dream to shoot.

-Katrusha

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Tatiana Golter <
littlegreensardine@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> My daughter uses a mongolian horse bow. The earlier period would be, I
> believe, a longbow.
> Hope this helps,
>
> Tatiana
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



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My artwork: http://arathreel.deviantart.com/

My baked goods:
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Laura Munn AKA Katrusha the Skomorokh
Artist
Writer
Baker


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I will probably need a new bow by next Pennsic.�� Tell me about using the
horsebow: do you have an arrow rest or do you use a shooting glove?�

--Sfandra

******************
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O.L., O.M., K.O.E., Haus VDK, East Kingdom
http://sfandra.webs.com
Never 'pearl' your butt.
******************


________________________________
  From: Laura Munn <arathreel@...>
To: sig@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: [sig] Re: Russian bows

I, as well, use a Mongolian horse bow. There are samples of that style bow
in period. And oh, they are a dream to shoot.

-Katrusha

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Tatiana Golter <
littlegreensardine@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> My daughter uses a mongolian horse bow. The earlier period would be, I
> believe, a longbow.
> Hope this helps,
>
> Tatiana
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>�
>



--
My SCA work: http://katrusha.blogspot.com/

My artwork: http://arathreel.deviantart.com/

My baked goods:
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=251805&id=510143252&l=8fcf80877f

Laura Munn AKA Katrusha the Skomorokh
Artist
Writer
Baker


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I shoot off my glove. They normally do not come with rests.

-Katrusha

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Sfandra <seonaid13@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> I will probably need a new bow by next Pennsic.   Tell me about using the
> horsebow: do you have an arrow rest or do you use a shooting glove?
>
> --Sfandra
>
> ******************
> Boiarynia Sfandra Dmitrieva Chernigova
> O.L., O.M., K.O.E., Haus VDK, East Kingdom
> http://sfandra.webs.com
> Never 'pearl' your butt.
> ******************
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Laura Munn <arathreel@...>
> To: sig@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 9:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [sig] Re: Russian bows
>
>
> I, as well, use a Mongolian horse bow. There are samples of that style bow
> in period. And oh, they are a dream to shoot.
>
> -Katrusha
>
> On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Tatiana Golter <
> littlegreensardine@...> wrote:
>
> > **
>
> >
> >
> > My daughter uses a mongolian horse bow. The earlier period would be, I
> > believe, a longbow.
> > Hope this helps,
> >
> > Tatiana
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> My SCA work: http://katrusha.blogspot.com/
>
> My artwork: http://arathreel.deviantart.com/
>
> My baked goods:
> http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=251805&id=510143252&l=8fcf80877f
>
> Laura Munn AKA Katrusha the Skomorokh
> Artist
> Writer
> Baker
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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>



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My SCA work: http://katrusha.blogspot.com/

My artwork: http://arathreel.deviantart.com/

My baked goods:
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=251805&id=510143252&l=8fcf80877f

Laura Munn AKA Katrusha the Skomorokh
Artist
Writer
Baker


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I posted this question to FB as well. The best advice seems a Magyar bow.
One person specifically recommends a kassai bow raven model, that he shoots.
Looks like they all shoot off hand.

Lada

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 11, 2012, at 9:30 PM, Laura Munn <arathreel@...> wrote:

> I shoot off my glove. They normally do not come with rests.
>
> -Katrusha
>
> On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Sfandra <seonaid13@...> wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> I will probably need a new bow by next Pennsic.   Tell me about using the
>> horsebow: do you have an arrow rest or do you use a shooting glove?
>>
>> --Sfandra
>>
>> ******************
>> Boiarynia Sfandra Dmitrieva Chernigova
>> O.L., O.M., K.O.E., Haus VDK, East Kingdom
>> http://sfandra.webs.com
>> Never 'pearl' your butt.
>> ******************
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Laura Munn <arathreel@...>
>> To: sig@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 9:53 AM
>> Subject: Re: [sig] Re: Russian bows
>>
>>
>> I, as well, use a Mongolian horse bow. There are samples of that style bow
>> in period. And oh, they are a dream to shoot.
>>
>> -Katrusha
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Tatiana Golter <
>> littlegreensardine@...> wrote:
>>
>>> **
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My daughter uses a mongolian horse bow. The earlier period would be, I
>>> believe, a longbow.
>>> Hope this helps,
>>>
>>> Tatiana
>>>
>>>
>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> My SCA work: http://katrusha.blogspot.com/
>>
>> My artwork: http://arathreel.deviantart.com/
>>
>> My baked goods:
>> http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=251805&id=510143252&l=8fcf80877f
>>
>> Laura Munn AKA Katrusha the Skomorokh
>> Artist
>> Writer
>> Baker
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> My SCA work: http://katrusha.blogspot.com/
>
> My artwork: http://arathreel.deviantart.com/
>
> My baked goods:
> http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=251805&id=510143252&l=8fcf80877f
>
> Laura Munn AKA Katrusha the Skomorokh
> Artist
> Writer
> Baker
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

*groan, Patches is posting again...*

I shoot a mongolian and there are advantages and disadvantages.

Adavntages:

The "stacking" when you draw the bow id very different.  Most people feel that
it is far easier to draw a 30# mongolian than a 30# recurve or longbow.

Shooting "period" (if you shoot the correct type of arrows) is slightly more
prestigious. Mainly because of the difficulties.

Mongolians and other bows that are shot off the hand don't have a right or left
handed designation.  So if you and a friend want to shoot the same bow but
you're a righty and he's a lefty, it doesn't matter.

You can shoot a mongolian "standing style" (so if you're holding the bow with
your left and releasing the arrow with your right, you arrow is perched on your
left hand) or traditional horse mounted style with a thumbring, in which the
arrow is perched on the LEFT side of the bow.  That takes a lot of getting used
to, and most archers in the SCA don't do it because it's so wonky.


Disadvantages:

Any "period" bow requires that you shoot off to one side. if you're shooting
righty and you are standing right in front of the target, you will have to cant
your bow to the right of the target to hit it.  This is because most modern
recurves that we learn on have a shelf cut in through the middle of the bow,
allowing you to shoot straight on.  Period bows weren't made that way because of
material strength. So you have to shoot around it, so it will take you a while
to get used to altering your aiming technique..

Any bow made by Kassai tends to be 2x more expensive. My mongolian 30# ran about
$400 new.

Getting or making a new bowstring sucks.  You either have to have a special jig
to make one or remember all your specifics and order it online.  Welsh-twisted
bowstrings won't work because the loops at each end of the string are almost 6"
long to accomodate the the structure of the bow when bent.


Hope this helps.

Patches



--- In sig@yahoogroups.com, Ladie Lada <ladie_lada@...> wrote:
>
> I posted this question to FB as well. The best advice seems a Magyar bow.
> One person specifically recommends a kassai bow raven model, that he shoots.
> Looks like they all shoot off hand.
>
> Lada
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 11, 2012, at 9:30 PM, Laura Munn <arathreel@...> wrote:
>
> > I shoot off my glove. They normally do not come with rests.
> >
> > -Katrusha
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Sfandra <seonaid13@...> wrote:
> >
> >> **
> >>
> >>
> >> I will probably need a new bow by next Pennsic.   Tell me about using the
> >> horsebow: do you have an arrow rest or do you use a shooting glove?
> >>
> >> --Sfandra
> >>
> >> ******************
> >> Boiarynia Sfandra Dmitrieva Chernigova
> >> O.L., O.M., K.O.E., Haus VDK, East Kingdom
> >> http://sfandra.webs.com
> >> Never 'pearl' your butt.
> >> ******************
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Laura Munn <arathreel@...>
> >> To: sig@yahoogroups.com
> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 9:53 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [sig] Re: Russian bows
> >>
> >>
> >> I, as well, use a Mongolian horse bow. There are samples of that style bow
> >> in period. And oh, they are a dream to shoot.
> >>
> >> -Katrusha
> >>
> >> On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Tatiana Golter <
> >> littlegreensardine@...> wrote:
> >>
> >>> **
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> My daughter uses a mongolian horse bow. The earlier period would be, I
> >>> believe, a longbow.
> >>> Hope this helps,
> >>>
> >>> Tatiana
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> My SCA work: http://katrusha.blogspot.com/
> >>
> >> My artwork: http://arathreel.deviantart.com/
> >>
> >> My baked goods:
> >> http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=251805&id=510143252&l=8fcf80877f
> >>
> >> Laura Munn AKA Katrusha the Skomorokh
> >> Artist
> >> Writer
> >> Baker
> >>
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> >
> > My artwork: http://arathreel.deviantart.com/
> >
> > My baked goods:
> > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=251805&id=510143252&l=8fcf80877f
> >
> > Laura Munn AKA Katrusha the Skomorokh
> > Artist
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