I'd also be very interested in more sites and information about the romani

--- In sig@yahoogroups.com, "Land, John L SPC MIL USA TRADOC" <john.l.land@...>
wrote:
>
> Yeah... that is an excellent site...  though there are several.  Nag me some
more later and I'll scrounge ome more up from my Epic sized favorites list...
>
> -Baxt

Don't know about the exact phrase you're looking for, but I've always liked
"slava tebe boshze nash, slava tebe"  which I was told amounts "all glory to
God, glory to Him"



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http://www2.arnes.si/~eusmith/Romany/index.html


http://www.romani.org/

http://www.religioustolerance.org/roma.htm

http://www.errc.org/

http://www.webring.com/hub?ring=rmnstn


http://www.geocities.com/~patrin/links.htm


There are several others... but these are a start

Opre!!

- Baxt








----- Original Message -----
From: raeadhani <mushaanhi@...>
Date: Friday, April 3, 2009 16:00
Subject: [sig] Rom [was Re: returning to SCA]
To: sig@yahoogroups.com


>
> I'd also be very interested in more sites and information about
> the romani
>
> --- In sig@yahoogroups.com, "Land, John L SPC MIL USA TRADOC" < wrote:
> >
> > Yeah... that is an excellent site...  though there are several.  Nag me some
more later and I'll scrounge ome more up from my Epic sized favorites list...
> >
> > -Baxt
>

Greetings from Sofya

>Don't know about the exact phrase you're looking for, but I've always liked
>"slava tebe boshze nash, slava tebe" which I was told amounts "all glory to
>God, glory to Him"

Literally translated, the above means "Glory to you our God, glory to you". 
Notice the use of the ty (tebe) form of address rather than vy (vam) in what is,
presumably, a very polite/formal prayer -- more evidence that using "vy" as a
polite form of address is post-period.

At your service,

Sofya

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I'm working on garb embellishments and I'm look for places to get large jewel
pieces or glass or whatever to use as centerpieces of my decoration. Also where
can i order having temple rings done? Is there any particular vendor that does a
good job and has the right stuff?



Lada

Oooooh...
SHINY!




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What style of temple rings are you looking for?

The bead style are really easy to make with some craft wire and large
beads, the other styles, there are few folks who sell them.  Birka
Traders is the only one that comes to mind on line.

I'm currently in the process of making my own cast ones.

Ianuk

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Yevgeniya Pechenaya
<ladie_lada@...> wrote:
> I'm working on garb embellishments and I'm look for places to get large
> jewel pieces or glass or whatever to use as centerpieces of my decoration.
> Also where can i order having temple rings done? Is there any particular
> vendor that does a good job and has the right stuff?
>
> Lada
>
> Oooooh...
> SHINY!
>
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>
>

http://www.closeoutjewelryfindings.com
You have to know what you want and you have to place a minimum order.�� Make
sure you buy settings you can sew down.
�
They carry a wide array of glass pearls too, and some freshwater cultured.
�
There is an SCA merchant here in the east called Cabochons, which is a resaler
of Myrow stuff.� The advantage of going to her is that she'll help you by
understanding what you need, and not requiring a minimum.�� They set up on Bow
Street at Pennsic.� I'm trying to find contact info for her now....
�
--Sfandra
�
******************
Posadnitsa Sfandra Dmitrieva Chernigova
KOE, Maunche, Apprentice to Maitresse Irene LeNoir
�Haus Von Drakenklaue, Kingdom of the East
�******************
Never 'pearl' your butt.
�******************
"Cultured pearls, eh? Do they turn their rounded noses up at other pearls, lift
their pinkie when they drink seawater, and gossip horribly about pearls from
less fortunate clams?" -- Martin der Wasserspeier

--- On Tue, 4/7/09, Yevgeniya Pechenaya <ladie_lada@...> wrote:


From: Yevgeniya Pechenaya <ladie_lada@...>
Subject: [sig] jewelry
To: "Slavic Group" <sig@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 2:33 PM


I'm working on garb embellishments and I'm look for places to get large jewel
pieces or glass or whatever to use as centerpieces of my decoration. Also where
can i order having temple rings done? Is there any particular vendor that does a
good job and has the right stuff?



Lada

Oooooh...�
SHINY!


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"Cabochons" is Arastorm and her family.
Peace, J.


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amazingly enough World Trader findings at Michaels or Joanns makes a very good
base for temple rings.




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Agreed.�� I think they're also called "Global Nomad"
http://www.michaels.com/art/online/displayProductPage?productNum=bd0712&channeli\
d=
�
If you look at the round pendants here:�
http://club-kaup.narod.ru/rec/archussr_drrus_bk/archussr_drrus_bk_table41_4.jpg�\
labeled 30, or here:
http://club-kaup.narod.ru/rec/archussr_drrus_bk/archussr_drrus_bk_table43.jpg,
I'd say you can find pretty good approximations in craft stores these days.
�
Also, in terms of replica work, there's lunik from Urweg
http://www.urweg.com/list/pendants.html�and they're in the US.��Here's a sample
image:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sfandra/2893515674/in/set-72157606951724923/�
�
�I've never ordered from this guy, but he has replica pieces:
http://www.ragweedforge.com/VikingMedallions.html.
�
For temple pendants (Using Peter Beatson's designations), it depends on where
you're from.� Krivichian, Polianian, and Severian are all pretty easy to
reproduce with craft materials.� I imagine there's probably a way to make
Novgorodskii.� Only Viatichi and Radimichi would require some real casting
skill, and actually, if you have the cabbage, you can pick up a pair at Pennsic
from VikingsULike (I bought a pair of Radimichi ones from them).�
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~chrisandpeter/trmain/tr1main.html�for reference.
�
If you're going earlier than Kievan, or maybe more pagan/nomadic, check out
Sampo at http://www.stpetersburger.com/html/sampo_bijouterie_1.html.� I used the
Laughing Horse & Roa Deer pendants with a round pendant from Joann's to make a
necklace:�
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sfandra/2893512948/in/set-72157606951724923/
�
�
Cheers,
Sfandra
who apparently doesn't have enough work at work... ;-)
�
�
******************
Posadnitsa Sfandra Dmitrieva Chernigova KOE, Maunche, Apprentice to Maitresse
Irene LeNoir
Haus Von Drakenklaue, Kingdom of the East
******************
Never 'pearl' your butt.
�******************
�"Cultured pearls, eh? Do they turn their rounded noses up at other pearls, lift
their pinkie when they drink seawater, and gossip horribly about pearls from
less fortunate clams?" -- Martin der Wasserspeier

--- On Thu, 4/9/09, Althea D <battyinak@...> wrote:


From: Althea D <battyinak@...>
Subject: [sig] jewelry
To: sig@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 4:09 AM


amazingly enough World Trader findings at Michaels or Joanns makes a very good
base for temple rings.


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I found this:

http://www.mear-drevnostey.ru/index.php?categoryID=1507&sort=name&direction=ASC

I know the site is in Russian, but they have a lot of stuff. I don't know if
they'll do international shipping yet, doesn't look like it. But their store is
in Moscow so I'll be looking to arrange local pickup and then ship it out with a
traveling family member.

Let me know if anyone is having trouble reading the site I'll help with the
search.



Lada

Oooooh...
SHINY!

--- On Thu, 4/9/09, Sfandra <seonaid13@...> wrote:

From: Sfandra <seonaid13@...>
Subject: Re: [sig] jewelry
To: sig@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 9:12 AM

















       Agreed.�� I think they're also called "Global Nomad"

http://www.michaels .com/art/ online/displayPr oductPage? productNum=
bd0712&channelid =

�

If you look at the round pendants here:� http://club- kaup.narod.
ru/rec/archussr_ drrus_bk/ archussr_ drrus_bk_ table41_4. jpg�labeled 30, or
here: http://club- kaup.narod. ru/rec/archussr_ drrus_bk/ archussr_ drrus_bk_
table43.jpg, I'd say you can find pretty good approximations in craft stores
these days.

�

Also, in terms of replica work, there's lunik from Urweg http://www.urweg.
com/list/ pendants. html�and they're in the US.��Here's a sample image:
http://www.flickr. com/photos/ sfandra/28935156 74/in/set- 7215760695172492 3/�

�

�I've never ordered from this guy, but he has replica pieces:
http://www.ragweedf orge.com/ VikingMedallions .html.

�

For temple pendants (Using Peter Beatson's designations) , it depends on where
you're from.� Krivichian, Polianian, and Severian are all pretty easy to
reproduce with craft materials.� I imagine there's probably a way to make
Novgorodskii.� Only Viatichi and Radimichi would require some real casting
skill, and actually, if you have the cabbage, you can pick up a pair at Pennsic
from VikingsULike (I bought a pair of Radimichi ones from them).�
http://members. ozemail.com. au/~chrisandpete r/trmain/ tr1main.html�for
reference.

�

If you're going earlier than Kievan, or maybe more pagan/nomadic, check out
Sampo at http://www.stpeters burger.com/ html/sampo_ bijouterie_ 1.html.� I used
the Laughing Horse & Roa Deer pendants with a round pendant from Joann's to make
a necklace:� http://www.flickr. com/photos/ sfandra/28935129 48/in/set-
7215760695172492 3/

�

�

Cheers,

Sfandra

who apparently doesn't have enough work at work... ;-)

�

�

************ ******

Posadnitsa Sfandra Dmitrieva Chernigova KOE, Maunche, Apprentice to Maitresse
Irene LeNoir

Haus Von Drakenklaue, Kingdom of the East

************ ******

Never 'pearl' your butt.

�************ ******

�"Cultured pearls, eh? Do they turn their rounded noses up at other pearls, lift
their pinkie when they drink seawater, and gossip horribly about pearls from
less fortunate clams?" -- Martin der Wasserspeier



--- On Thu, 4/9/09, Althea D <battyinak@yahoo. com> wrote:



From: Althea D <battyinak@yahoo. com>

Subject: [sig] jewelry

To: sig@yahoogroups. com

Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 4:09 AM



amazingly enough World Trader findings at Michaels or Joanns makes a very good
base for temple rings.



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Since we are on the topic of beads and jewelry, I have a question.

What kind of beads are good to use, other then pearls?
I've read in one jewelry making book that they used to make glass seed beads in
Russia centuries ago. Is it true?

Thank you all in advance

Tatiana Moskovskaia.

I am very sorry to break in with something unhappy that has hit us all here in
Italy. I believe anyhow that your sensitiveness and understanding will be
stopping for a moment to think over: What could I do for them who are now just
staring at the ruins of their homes? All recollections and in part also some of
their relatives are maybe hiding out under the stones and will never come back.
This is a tragedy but this also Nature. In one way or the other we shall die and
perhaps this was the way God (or he who decides such events) alloted to the
dead. The big problems are for them who remain here and have to start over again
after the earthquake.

Ciao

Aldo
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Sfandra
   To: sig@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 3:12 PM
   Subject: Re: [sig] jewelry





   Agreed.   I think they're also called "Global Nomad"
  
http://www.michaels.com/art/online/displayProductPage?productNum=bd0712&channeli\
d=

   If you look at the round pendants here: 
http://club-kaup.narod.ru/rec/archussr_drrus_bk/archussr_drrus_bk_table41_4.jpg
labeled 30, or here:
http://club-kaup.narod.ru/rec/archussr_drrus_bk/archussr_drrus_bk_table43.jpg,
I'd say you can find pretty good approximations in craft stores these days.

   Also, in terms of replica work, there's lunik from Urweg
http://www.urweg.com/list/pendants.html and they're in the US.  Here's a sample
image: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sfandra/2893515674/in/set-72157606951724923/

    I've never ordered from this guy, but he has replica pieces:
http://www.ragweedforge.com/VikingMedallions.html.

   For temple pendants (Using Peter Beatson's designations), it depends on where
you're from.  Krivichian, Polianian, and Severian are all pretty easy to
reproduce with craft materials.  I imagine there's probably a way to make
Novgorodskii.  Only Viatichi and Radimichi would require some real casting
skill, and actually, if you have the cabbage, you can pick up a pair at Pennsic
from VikingsULike (I bought a pair of Radimichi ones from them). 
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~chrisandpeter/trmain/tr1main.html for reference.

   If you're going earlier than Kievan, or maybe more pagan/nomadic, check out
Sampo at http://www.stpetersburger.com/html/sampo_bijouterie_1.html.  I used the
Laughing Horse & Roa Deer pendants with a round pendant from Joann's to make a
necklace: 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sfandra/2893512948/in/set-72157606951724923/


   Cheers,
   Sfandra
   who apparently doesn't have enough work at work... ;-)


   ******************
   Posadnitsa Sfandra Dmitrieva Chernigova KOE, Maunche, Apprentice to Maitresse
Irene LeNoir
   Haus Von Drakenklaue, Kingdom of the East
   ******************
   Never 'pearl' your butt.
    ******************
    "Cultured pearls, eh? Do they turn their rounded noses up at other pearls,
lift their pinkie when they drink seawater, and gossip horribly about pearls
from less fortunate clams?" -- Martin der Wasserspeier

   --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Althea D <battyinak@...> wrote:

   From: Althea D <battyinak@...>
   Subject: [sig] jewelry
   To: sig@yahoogroups.com
   Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 4:09 AM

   amazingly enough World Trader findings at Michaels or Joanns makes a very good
base for temple rings.



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WOW, Lada, those prices are EXCELLENT.�� 1500rubles for the silver Viatichi ones
is a fantastic price.� That's about $45 USD.��
�
Hm, I might want to get in on this order, we should talk...
�
--Sfandra
�


--- On Thu, 4/9/09, Yevgeniya Pechenaya <ladie_lada@...> wrote:


From: Yevgeniya Pechenaya <ladie_lada@...>
Subject: Re: [sig] jewelry
To: sig@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 10:54 AM


I found this:

http://www.mear-drevnostey.ru/index.php?categoryID=1507&sort=name&direction=ASC

I know the site is in Russian, but they have a lot of stuff. I don't know if
they'll do international shipping yet, doesn't look like it. But their store is
in Moscow so I'll be looking to arrange local pickup and then ship it out with a
traveling family member.

Let me know if anyone is having trouble reading the site I'll help with the
search.



Lada

Oooooh...�
SHINY!

--- On Thu, 4/9/09, Sfandra <seonaid13@...> wrote:

From: Sfandra <seonaid13@...>
Subject: Re: [sig] jewelry
To: sig@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 9:12 AM











� �
� � � � � �
� � � � � �


� � �
� � � Agreed.�� I think they're also called "Global Nomad"

http://www.michaels .com/art/ online/displayPr oductPage? productNum=
bd0712&channelid =

�

If you look at the round pendants here:� http://club- kaup.narod.
ru/rec/archussr_ drrus_bk/ archussr_ drrus_bk_ table41_4. jpg�labeled 30, or
here: http://club- kaup.narod. ru/rec/archussr_ drrus_bk/ archussr_ drrus_bk_
table43.jpg, I'd say you can find pretty good approximations in craft stores
these days.

�

Also, in terms of replica work, there's lunik from Urweg http://www.urweg.
com/list/ pendants. html�and they're in the US.��Here's a sample image:
http://www.flickr. com/photos/ sfandra/28935156 74/in/set- 7215760695172492 3/�

�

�I've never ordered from this guy, but he has replica pieces:
http://www.ragweedf orge.com/ VikingMedallions .html.

�

For temple pendants (Using Peter Beatson's designations) , it depends on where
you're from.� Krivichian, Polianian, and Severian are all pretty easy to
reproduce with craft materials.� I imagine there's probably a way to make
Novgorodskii.� Only Viatichi and Radimichi would require some real casting
skill, and actually, if you have the cabbage, you can pick up a pair at Pennsic
from VikingsULike (I bought a pair of Radimichi ones from them).�
http://members. ozemail.com. au/~chrisandpete r/trmain/ tr1main.html�for
reference.

�

If you're going earlier than Kievan, or maybe more pagan/nomadic, check out
Sampo at http://www.stpeters burger.com/ html/sampo_ bijouterie_ 1.html.� I used
the Laughing Horse & Roa Deer pendants with a round pendant from Joann's to make
a necklace:� http://www.flickr. com/photos/ sfandra/28935129 48/in/set-
7215760695172492 3/

�

�

Cheers,

Sfandra

who apparently doesn't have enough work at work... ;-)

�

�

************ ******

Posadnitsa Sfandra Dmitrieva Chernigova KOE, Maunche, Apprentice to Maitresse
Irene LeNoir

Haus Von Drakenklaue, Kingdom of the East

************ ******

Never 'pearl' your butt.

�************ ******

�"Cultured pearls, eh? Do they turn their rounded noses up at other pearls, lift
their pinkie when they drink seawater, and gossip horribly about pearls from
less fortunate clams?" -- Martin der Wasserspeier



--- On Thu, 4/9/09, Althea D <battyinak@yahoo. com> wrote:



From: Althea D <battyinak@yahoo. com>

Subject: [sig] jewelry

To: sig@yahoogroups. com

Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 4:09 AM



amazingly enough World Trader findings at Michaels or Joanns makes a very good
base for temple rings.



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Those are exactly the one is was looking at. :) I'm going to contact the store
and see if they'd be able to do an international shipping. Sfandra, where are
you located?

It might be cheaper if there will be a few people interested in getting things
from this place. I'm not sure what would be a good way to organize this, since i
don't know when there are large groups of SIG getting together besides Pennsic.


Lada

Oooooh...
SHINY!

--- On Thu, 4/9/09, Sfandra <seonaid13@...> wrote:

From: Sfandra <seonaid13@...>
Subject: Re: [sig] jewelry
To: sig@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 1:27 PM

















       WOW, Lada, those prices are EXCELLENT.�� 1500rubles for the silver
Viatichi ones is a fantastic price.� That's about $45 USD.��

�

Hm, I might want to get in on this order, we should talk...

�

--Sfandra

�



--- On Thu, 4/9/09, Yevgeniya Pechenaya <ladie_lada@yahoo. com> wrote:



From: Yevgeniya Pechenaya <ladie_lada@yahoo. com>

Subject: Re: [sig] jewelry

To: sig@yahoogroups. com

Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 10:54 AM



I found this:



http://www.mear- drevnostey. ru/index. php?categoryID= 1507&sort=
name&direction= ASC



I know the site is in Russian, but they have a lot of stuff. I don't know if
they'll do international shipping yet, doesn't look like it. But their store is
in Moscow so I'll be looking to arrange local pickup and then ship it out with a
traveling family member.



Let me know if anyone is having trouble reading the site I'll help with the
search.



Lada



Oooooh...�

SHINY!



--- On Thu, 4/9/09, Sfandra <seonaid13@yahoo. com> wrote:



From: Sfandra <seonaid13@yahoo. com>

Subject: Re: [sig] jewelry

To: sig@yahoogroups. com

Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 9:12 AM



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http://www.michaels .com/art/ online/displayPr oductPage? productNum=
bd0712&channelid =



�



If you look at the round pendants here:� http://club- kaup.narod.
ru/rec/archussr_ drrus_bk/ archussr_ drrus_bk_ table41_4. jpg�labeled 30, or
here: http://club- kaup.narod. ru/rec/archussr_ drrus_bk/ archussr_ drrus_bk_
table43.jpg, I'd say you can find pretty good approximations in craft stores
these days.



�



Also, in terms of replica work, there's lunik from Urweg http://www.urweg.
com/list/ pendants. html�and they're in the US.��Here's a sample image:
http://www.flickr. com/photos/ sfandra/28935156 74/in/set- 7215760695172492 3/�



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�I've never ordered from this guy, but he has replica pieces:
http://www.ragweedf orge.com/ VikingMedallions .html.



�



For temple pendants (Using Peter Beatson's designations) , it depends on where
you're from.� Krivichian, Polianian, and Severian are all pretty easy to
reproduce with craft materials.� I imagine there's probably a way to make
Novgorodskii.� Only Viatichi and Radimichi would require some real casting
skill, and actually, if you have the cabbage, you can pick up a pair at Pennsic
from VikingsULike (I bought a pair of Radimichi ones from them).�
http://members. ozemail.com. au/~chrisandpete r/trmain/ tr1main.html� for
reference.



�



If you're going earlier than Kievan, or maybe more pagan/nomadic, check out
Sampo at http://www.stpeters burger.com/ html/sampo_ bijouterie_ 1.html.� I used
the Laughing Horse & Roa Deer pendants with a round pendant from Joann's to make
a necklace:� http://www.flickr. com/photos/ sfandra/28935129 48/in/set-
7215760695172492 3/



�



�



Cheers,



Sfandra



who apparently doesn't have enough work at work... ;-)



�



�



************ ******



Posadnitsa Sfandra Dmitrieva Chernigova KOE, Maunche, Apprentice to Maitresse
Irene LeNoir



Haus Von Drakenklaue, Kingdom of the East



************ ******



Never 'pearl' your butt.



�************ ******



�"Cultured pearls, eh? Do they turn their rounded noses up at other pearls, lift
their pinkie when they drink seawater, and gossip horribly about pearls from
less fortunate clams?" -- Martin der Wasserspeier



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From: Althea D <battyinak@yahoo. com>



Subject: [sig] jewelry



To: sig@yahoogroups. com



Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 4:09 AM



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I'd be willing to go in on an order!  I won't be at Pennsic however, and I'm
in Nebraska....

Mir!
Tatjana

"It's never too late to be what you might have been."


Wolf and Tiger Woodworking
http://www.wolfandtiger.com

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From: "Yevgeniya Pechenaya" <ladie_lada@...>
To: <sig@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [sig] jewelry


Those are exactly the one is was looking at. :) I'm going to contact the
store and see if they'd be able to do an international shipping. Sfandra,
where are you located?

It might be cheaper if there will be a few people interested in getting
things from this place. I'm not sure what would be a good way to organize
this, since i don't know when there are large groups of SIG getting together
besides Pennsic.


Lada

Oooooh...
SHINY!

--- On Thu, 4/9/09, Sfandra <seonaid13@...> wrote:

From: Sfandra <seonaid13@...>
Subject: Re: [sig] jewelry
To: sig@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 1:27 PM

















       WOW, Lada, those prices are EXCELLENT. 1500rubles for the silver
Viatichi ones is a fantastic price. That's about $45 USD.



Hm, I might want to get in on this order, we should talk...



--Sfandra





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From: Yevgeniya Pechenaya <ladie_lada@yahoo. com>

Subject: Re: [sig] jewelry

To: sig@yahoogroups. com

Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 10:54 AM



I found this:



http://www.mear- drevnostey. ru/index. php?categoryID= 1507&sort=
name&direction= ASC



I know the site is in Russian, but they have a lot of stuff. I don't know if
they'll do international shipping yet, doesn't look like it. But their store
is in Moscow so I'll be looking to arrange local pickup and then ship it out
with a traveling family member.



Let me know if anyone is having trouble reading the site I'll help with the
search.



Lada



Oooooh...

SHINY!



--- On Thu, 4/9/09, Sfandra <seonaid13@yahoo. com> wrote:



From: Sfandra <seonaid13@yahoo. com>

Subject: Re: [sig] jewelry

To: sig@yahoogroups. com

Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 9:12 AM













Agreed. I think they're also called "Global Nomad"



http://www.michaels .com/art/ online/displayPr oductPage? productNum=
bd0712&channelid =







If you look at the round pendants here: http://club- kaup.narod.
ru/rec/archussr_ drrus_bk/ archussr_ drrus_bk_ table41_4. jpg labeled 30, or
here: http://club- kaup.narod. ru/rec/archussr_ drrus_bk/ archussr_
drrus_bk_ table43.jpg, I'd say you can find pretty good approximations in
craft stores these days.







Also, in terms of replica work, there's lunik from Urweg http://www.urweg.
com/list/ pendants. html and they're in the US. Here's a sample image:
http://www.flickr. com/photos/ sfandra/28935156 74/in/set- 7215760695172492
3/







I've never ordered from this guy, but he has replica pieces:
http://www.ragweedf orge.com/ VikingMedallions .html.







For temple pendants (Using Peter Beatson's designations) , it depends on
where you're from. Krivichian, Polianian, and Severian are all pretty easy
to reproduce with craft materials. I imagine there's probably a way to make
Novgorodskii. Only Viatichi and Radimichi would require some real casting
skill, and actually, if you have the cabbage, you can pick up a pair at
Pennsic from VikingsULike (I bought a pair of Radimichi ones from them).
http://members. ozemail.com. au/~chrisandpete r/trmain/ tr1main.html for
reference.







If you're going earlier than Kievan, or maybe more pagan/nomadic, check out
Sampo at http://www.stpeters burger.com/ html/sampo_ bijouterie_ 1.html. I
used the Laughing Horse & Roa Deer pendants with a round pendant from
Joann's to make a necklace: http://www.flickr. com/photos/ sfandra/28935129
48/in/set- 7215760695172492 3/











Cheers,



Sfandra



who apparently doesn't have enough work at work... ;-)











************ ******



Posadnitsa Sfandra Dmitrieva Chernigova KOE, Maunche, Apprentice to
Maitresse Irene LeNoir



Haus Von Drakenklaue, Kingdom of the East



************ ******



Never 'pearl' your butt.



************ ******



"Cultured pearls, eh? Do they turn their rounded noses up at other pearls,
lift their pinkie when they drink seawater, and gossip horribly about pearls
from less fortunate clams?" -- Martin der Wasserspeier



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From: Althea D <battyinak@yahoo. com>



Subject: [sig] jewelry



To: sig@yahoogroups. com



Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 4:09 AM



amazingly enough World Trader findings at Michaels or Joanns makes a very
good base for temple rings.







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I think these are the guys that "The Viking You Like" buys
from....they look the same and have the same errors the one's I
purchased from them.

By errors, they are different than the artifacts from the Novgorod dig
but I'm sure that was to make them easier to cast.

Ianuk

On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Barbara <tiger@...> wrote:
>
>
> I'd be willing to go in on an order! I won't be at Pennsic however, and I'm
> in Nebraska....
>
> Mir!
> Tatjana
>
> "It's never too late to be what you might have been."
>
> Wolf and Tiger Woodworking
> http://www.wolfandtiger.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Yevgeniya Pechenaya" <ladie_lada@...>
> To: <sig@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [sig] jewelry
>
> Those are exactly the one is was looking at. :) I'm going to contact the
> store and see if they'd be able to do an international shipping. Sfandra,
> where are you located?
>
> It might be cheaper if there will be a few people interested in getting
> things from this place. I'm not sure what would be a good way to organize
> this, since i don't know when there are large groups of SIG getting together
> besides Pennsic.
>
> Lada
>
> Oooooh...
> SHINY!
>
> --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Sfandra <seonaid13@...> wrote:
>
> From: Sfandra <seonaid13@...>
> Subject: Re: [sig] jewelry
> To: sig@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 1:27 PM
>
> WOW, Lada, those prices are EXCELLENT. 1500rubles for the silver
> Viatichi ones is a fantastic price. That's about $45 USD.
>
> Hm, I might want to get in on this order, we should talk...
>
> --Sfandra
>
> --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Yevgeniya Pechenaya <ladie_lada@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> From: Yevgeniya Pechenaya <ladie_lada@yahoo. com>
>
> Subject: Re: [sig] jewelry
>
> To: sig@yahoogroups. com
>
> Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 10:54 AM
>
> I found this:
>
> http://www.mear- drevnostey. ru/index. php?categoryID= 1507&sort=
> name&direction= ASC
>
> I know the site is in Russian, but they have a lot of stuff. I don't know if
> they'll do international shipping yet, doesn't look like it. But their store
> is in Moscow so I'll be looking to arrange local pickup and then ship it out
> with a traveling family member.
>
> Let me know if anyone is having trouble reading the site I'll help with the
> search.
>
> Lada
>
> Oooooh...
>
> SHINY!
>
> --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Sfandra <seonaid13@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> From: Sfandra <seonaid13@yahoo. com>
>
> Subject: Re: [sig] jewelry
>
> To: sig@yahoogroups. com
>
> Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 9:12 AM
>
> Agreed. I think they're also called "Global Nomad"
>
> http://www.michaels .com/art/ online/displayPr oductPage? productNum=
> bd0712&channelid =
>
> If you look at the round pendants here: http://club- kaup.narod.
> ru/rec/archussr_ drrus_bk/ archussr_ drrus_bk_ table41_4. jpg labeled 30, or
> here: http://club- kaup.narod. ru/rec/archussr_ drrus_bk/ archussr_
> drrus_bk_ table43.jpg, I'd say you can find pretty good approximations in
> craft stores these days.
>
> Also, in terms of replica work, there's lunik from Urweg http://www.urweg.
> com/list/ pendants. html and they're in the US. Here's a sample image:
> http://www.flickr. com/photos/ sfandra/28935156 74/in/set- 7215760695172492
> 3/
>
> I've never ordered from this guy, but he has replica pieces:
> http://www.ragweedf orge.com/ VikingMedallions .html.
>
> For temple pendants (Using Peter Beatson's designations) , it depends on
> where you're from. Krivichian, Polianian, and Severian are all pretty easy
> to reproduce with craft materials. I imagine there's probably a way to make
> Novgorodskii. Only Viatichi and Radimichi would require some real casting
> skill, and actually, if you have the cabbage, you can pick up a pair at
> Pennsic from VikingsULike (I bought a pair of Radimichi ones from them).
> http://members. ozemail.com. au/~chrisandpete r/trmain/ tr1main.html for
> reference.
>
> If you're going earlier than Kievan, or maybe more pagan/nomadic, check out
> Sampo at http://www.stpeters burger.com/ html/sampo_ bijouterie_ 1.html. I
> used the Laughing Horse & Roa Deer pendants with a round pendant from
> Joann's to make a necklace: http://www.flickr. com/photos/ sfandra/28935129
> 48/in/set- 7215760695172492 3/
>
> Cheers,
>
> Sfandra
>
> who apparently doesn't have enough work at work... ;-)
>
> ************ ******
>
> Posadnitsa Sfandra Dmitrieva Chernigova KOE, Maunche, Apprentice to
> Maitresse Irene LeNoir
>
> Haus Von Drakenklaue, Kingdom of the East
>
> ************ ******
>
> Never 'pearl' your butt.
>
> ************ ******
>
> "Cultured pearls, eh? Do they turn their rounded noses up at other pearls,
> lift their pinkie when they drink seawater, and gossip horribly about pearls
> from less fortunate clams?" -- Martin der Wasserspeier
>
> --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Althea D <battyinak@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> From: Althea D <battyinak@yahoo. com>
>
> Subject: [sig] jewelry
>
> To: sig@yahoogroups. com
>
> Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 4:09 AM
>
> amazingly enough World Trader findings at Michaels or Joanns makes a very
> good base for temple rings.
>
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So, I'm liking (ok, i'm slobbering over) these:�
http://www.mear-drevnostey.ru/index.php?productID=1989
�
And I'm comparing them against the Vyatichi templependants in Drevnaia Rus': 12
& 18 in this image
http://club-kaup.narod.ru/rec/archussr_drrus_bk/archussr_drrus_bk_table51_4.jpg
�
And I'm wondering:� with the little side loops... is it possible these were
hanging from two chains?� Or two strings, one to each side of the pendant?�
.../\..
../..\.
o(� )o�
(Forgive my crummy ASCII)
Or perhaps those loops are purely decorative, and the hair/ribbon went through
the main arch on the top of the pendant....
�
I see what Ianuk says about not being perfect replicas... The ones for sale are
neither 12 nor 18 from the Drevnaia Rus' diagram..... but I'm OK with that.� It
does seem to�follow the ones pictured in Beatson's excellent article.
�
--Sfandra
--thank you for distracting me from psycho clients today.... :-D
�
�
�
�
******************
Posadnitsa Sfandra Dmitrieva Chernigova
KOE, Maunche, Apprentice to Maitresse Irene LeNoir
Haus Von Drakenklaue, Kingdom of the East
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Never 'pearl' your butt.
�******************
"Cultured pearls, eh? Do they turn their rounded noses up at other pearls, lift
their pinkie when they drink seawater, and gossip horribly about pearls from
less fortunate clams?" -- Martin der Wasserspeier





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Maybe, the text talks about the fibers that were found with it and the
archeological sketch shows the "ribbon" method of attachment.  When
you compare the sketch in Drevniaia Rus with the actual photograph of
the object from dig book you can see that the sketcher didn't quite
get all of the details correct. (I still need to translate the book
title, but it comes in a really nice box for the book and has full
color pages of a lot of the items all seen in the Drevniaia Rus.)

The thing that has been bugging me is that Scotty (from the Vikings U
like) showed me a book at pennsic that I thought was Price's "The
Viking Way" that had more archeological examples of the wearing of the
temple rings but it doesn't.  Anybody know what book it was?  Its been
driving me crazy!

This is the style of rings I'm going to cast up for a project for a
competition so I've been trying to pull in all of the research.

Ianuk



On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Sfandra <seonaid13@...> wrote:
>
>
> So, I'm liking (ok, i'm slobbering over) these:
> http://www.mear-drevnostey.ru/index.php?productID=1989
>
> And I'm comparing them against the Vyatichi templependants in Drevnaia Rus':
> 12 & 18 in this image
>
http://club-kaup.narod.ru/rec/archussr_drrus_bk/archussr_drrus_bk_table51_4.jpg
>
> And I'm wondering:� with the little side loops... is it possible these were
> hanging from two chains?� Or two strings, one to each side of the pendant?
> .../\..
> ../..\.
> o(� )o
> (Forgive my crummy ASCII)
> Or perhaps those loops are purely decorative, and the hair/ribbon went
> through the main arch on the top of the pendant....
>
> I see what Ianuk says about not being perfect replicas... The ones for sale
> are neither 12 nor 18 from the Drevnaia Rus' diagram..... but I'm OK with
> that.� It does seem to�follow the ones pictured in Beatson's excellent
> article.
>
> --Sfandra
> --thank you for distracting me from psycho clients today.... :-D
>
>
>
>
> ******************
>
> Posadnitsa Sfandra Dmitrieva Chernigova
> KOE, Maunche, Apprentice to Maitresse Irene LeNoir
> Haus Von Drakenklaue, Kingdom of the East
> ******************
> Never 'pearl' your butt.
> �******************
> "Cultured pearls, eh? Do they turn their rounded noses up at other pearls,
> lift their pinkie when they drink seawater, and gossip horribly about pearls
> from less fortunate clams?" -- Martin der Wasserspeier
>
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>
>

They got some really interesting books too...

� *Drools*

I really wish i had a few extra days off to make a trip out to Moscow to go to
the store in person... I really want to see that book on clothing...



Lada

Oooooh...
SHINY!



On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Sfandra <seonaid13@yahoo. com> wrote:

>

>

> So, I'm liking (ok, i'm slobbering over) these:

> http://www.mear- drevnostey. ru/index. php?productID= 1989

>

> And I'm comparing them against the Vyatichi templependants in Drevnaia Rus':

> 12 & 18 in this image

> http://club- kaup.narod. ru/rec/archussr_ drrus_bk/ archussr_ drrus_bk_
table51_4. jpg

>

> And I'm wondering:� with the little side loops... is it possible these were

> hanging from two chains?� Or two strings, one to each side of the pendant?

> .../\..

> ../..\.

> o(� )o

> (Forgive my crummy ASCII)

> Or perhaps those loops are purely decorative, and the hair/ribbon went

> through the main arch on the top of the pendant....

>

> I see what Ianuk says about not being perfect replicas... The ones for sale

> are neither 12 nor 18 from the Drevnaia Rus' diagram..... but I'm OK with

> that.� It does seem to�follow the ones pictured in Beatson's excellent

> article.

>

> --Sfandra

> --thank you for distracting me from psycho clients today.... :-D

>

>

>

>

> ************ ******

>

> Posadnitsa Sfandra Dmitrieva Chernigova

> KOE, Maunche, Apprentice to Maitresse Irene LeNoir

> Haus Von Drakenklaue, Kingdom of the East

> ************ ******

> Never 'pearl' your butt.

> �************ ******

> "Cultured pearls, eh? Do they turn their rounded noses up at other pearls,

> lift their pinkie when they drink seawater, and gossip horribly about pearls

> from less fortunate clams?" -- Martin der Wasserspeier

>

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> I found this:
>
> http://www.mear-drevnostey.ru/index.php?categoryID=1507&sort=name&direction
>=ASC
>
> I know the site is in Russian, but they have a lot of stuff. I don't know
> if they'll do international shipping yet, doesn't look like it. But their
> store is in Moscow so I'll be looking to arrange local pickup and then ship
> it out with a traveling family member.

Great!  xe.com says that the 1500 ruble pair is about $45 USD, and the 510
pair is $15 USD.

I made a fairly primitive set of rings with silver wire hoops and silver
beads, but it would be great to have these.  And I have yet to browse the rest
of the site!

Please keep everyone posted about a group order.  Thanks.


--
Cathy Raymond <cathy@...>

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> I am very sorry to break in with something unhappy that has hit us all here
> in Italy. I believe anyhow that your sensitiveness and understanding will
> be stopping for a moment to think over: What could I do for them who are
> now just staring at the ruins of their homes? All recollections and in part
> also some of their relatives are maybe hiding out under the stones and will
> never come back. This is a tragedy but this also Nature. In one way or the
> other we shall die and perhaps this was the way God (or he who decides such
> events) alloted to the dead. The big problems are for them who remain here
> and have to start over again after the earthquake.

You are right.  We grieve for them, and pray for those who are left to start
over.

--
Cathy Raymond <cathy@...>

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Greetings from Sofya,

A wide variety of beads were used for jewelry in Rus, and probably on clothing
as a substitute for precious stones.  Check out Liudmila's finds in the Files
section of the SIG Yahoo! group for inspiration.

I don't know what your source meant by "seed beads" - I have not seem much
evidence of modern style 1 to 2mm diameter seed beads, but 4 to 5 mm beads could
be called "seed beads" and I have seen a photo of archeological beads, without a
scale unfortunately, that could be in that size range.  I'll send a photo to you
privately since the group strips attachments.

At your service,
Sofya

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>
>Since we are on the topic of beads and jewelry, I have a question.

What kind of beads are good to use, other then pearls?
I've read in one jewelry making book that they used to make glass seed beads in
Russia centuries ago. Is it true?

Thank you all in advance

Tatiana Moskovskaia.



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Aldo wrote:
<snipped>What could I do for them who are now just staring at the ruins of
their homes? All recollections and in part also some of their relatives are
maybe hiding out under the stones and will never come back.

Aldo -
Our thoughts are with you during your time of loss and rebuilding.  Please
let us know if there is anything specific we can do to help... perhaps
donations to the Red Cross?

Su of the Silver Horn, Caid
Su Ralston, Fullerton, CA

One question and one request -

Sfandra -
I did more snooping through your flickr photos - where did you get the
pierced metal band you used for the base of the black wool hat?

If there is a jewelry order, please let the list know... I'd be interested
in joining.

Su of the Silver Horn, Caid
Su Ralston, Fullerton, CA

>Sfandra -
>I did more snooping through your flickr photos - where did you get the
>pierced metal band you used for the base of the black wool hat?

Ah!  A fortuitous find at Pennsic last year.  There was a merchant on the corner
closest to the A&S tents... Next to Auntie Arwens I think... Oh geez.  I just
dug out my merch guide from last year, and it's La Wrens Nest, fine EK purveyors
of Awesome Random Stuff.

It's one of their adjustable circlets.

--Sfandra


******************
Posadnitsa Sfandra Dmitrieva Chernigova
KOE, Maunche, Apprentice to Maitresse Irene LeNoir
Haus Von Drakenklaue, Kingdom of the East
******************
Never 'pearl' your butt.
******************
"Cultured pearls, eh? Do they turn their rounded noses up at other pearls, lift
their pinkie when they drink seawater, and gossip horribly about pearls from
less fortunate clams?" -- Martin der Wasserspeier

> Greetings from Sofya,
>
> A wide variety of beads were used for jewelry in Rus, and probably on
> clothing as a substitute for precious stones. �Check out Liudmila's finds
> in the Files section of the SIG Yahoo! group for inspiration.
>
> I don't know what your source meant by "seed beads" - I have not seem much
> evidence of modern style 1 to 2mm diameter seed beads, but 4 to 5 mm beads
> could be called "seed beads" and I have seen a photo of archeological
> beads, without a scale unfortunately, that could be in that size range.
> �I'll send a photo to you privately since the group strips attachments.

Could you post the photo in the SIG Group Photos section?

--
Cathy Raymond <cathy@...>

"Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd." --Voltaire




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Thank you, Sofya!

The book I mentioned had no historical background, so I was not sure if I could
trust it. I was hoping,though, that "biser" (бисер) or small 1-2 mm glass
beads were period for Russia.

Thank you for your time

Tatiana Moskovskaia
Outlands

Tks for your heartily reply but actually neither I nor anybody else (left Red
Cross alone) could do anything concrete WITH MONEY. My message was aiming at
moving your feelings and this is your great thing which I appreciated very much
and that I will transmit to my friends in Abruzzo.
Ciao

Aldo
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   Subject: [sig] Italian earthquake





   Aldo wrote:
   <snipped>What could I do for them who are now just staring at the ruins of
   their homes? All recollections and in part also some of their relatives are
   maybe hiding out under the stones and will never come back.

   Aldo -
   Our thoughts are with you during your time of loss and rebuilding. Please
   let us know if there is anything specific we can do to help... perhaps
   donations to the Red Cross?

   Su of the Silver Horn, Caid
   Su Ralston, Fullerton, CA





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Dear Aldo, and group,
I have some small knowledge of what happens when your community has been hard
hit by natural disasters.  We lived in New Mexico during the horrible forest
fire season of 2000, and my daughter was in graduate school in New Orleans when
hurricane Katrina hit in 2005... we are thankful that none of our own family or
close friends died.  That being said, I know that the loss of shelter and
everything that was familiar in one's life will be an overwhelming reality for
the survivors for years to come.

When we were evacuated from our home in 2000, the Red Cross and the Salvation
Army were both there at the refugee centers to offer assistance.  They provided
clothing in the first week for evacuees, and activities for the little children,
and when we were able to go home again they provided cleaning supplies and
bottled water.  I can't tell you how much we appreciated those last two items! 
But one thing we learned from talking to the volunteers is that what they needed
most was donations of cash, and volunteer time.  They received donations of used
clothing from all over the U.S.--in fact, they had so much they had to ask
people to stop giving because they didn't have enough volunteers to process it
all--but there was never enough money to help people who had lost everything and
had no other resources.

So now that it's been a week and the earthquake survivors are no longer on the
nightly news in North America, what can you do to help?  Remember that the
disaster is still happening for some people.  I suggest giving any sum you can
afford to the Red Cross or similar organization because they *will* need it to
help ease the physical needs of the living.  As for the spiritual needs--and
these last much longer--please make what prayers you care to, in your own
fashion, but consider also what you could do to help someone in need in your own
sphere.  Compassion has no geographical limits.  Is there a soup kitchen in your
town?  A community garden that needs volunteers?  A nursing home where residents
would love to have someone come play bingo or cards in the afternoon?  Those are
things you can do to ease your own heartache when it feels like there's no way
to help the disaster victims you see on tv.  Nine years ago, we couldn't
re-build our neighbors burned-out homes... but we could help feed the extra
firefighters who came from all over to help us, and later we worked on reseeding
projects in the national forest.  And in 2005, a lot of the volunteers who
headed down to New Orleans were there because they'd been through floods in the
Midwest and knew what it felt like to watch the water rise inside your home.  So
if you can't go to Italy, find a way to make a difference nearby.

End of lecture.  :-)  If you've read this far, thanks for listening!
Susanna

--- In sig@yahoogroups.com, "aldo" <turanomar@...> wrote:
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> Tks for your heartily reply but actually neither I nor anybody else (left Red
Cross alone) could do anything concrete WITH MONEY. My message was aiming at
moving your feelings and this is your great thing which I appreciated very much
and that I will transmit to my friends in Abruzzo.
> Ciao
>
> Aldo
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Su Ralston
>   To: sig@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 4:18 PM
>   Subject: [sig] Italian earthquake
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>   Aldo wrote:
>   <snipped>What could I do for them who are now just staring at the ruins of
>   their homes? All recollections and in part also some of their relatives are
>   maybe hiding out under the stones and will never come back.
>
>   Aldo -
>   Our thoughts are with you during your time of loss and rebuilding. Please
>   let us know if there is anything specific we can do to help... perhaps
>   donations to the Red Cross?
>
>   Su of the Silver Horn, Caid
>   Su Ralston, Fullerton, CA
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