I'd like to offer my translation services to anyone in translating Russian to
English and vice versa. I translate at my job and I have also done translation
with in the SCA for scrolls.

Also, I thought this might be of interest

http://cgi.ebay.com/PREHISTORY-of-SLAVIC-by-SHEVELOV-RUSSIA-RARE-1965_W0QQitemZ2\
70266943849QQihZ017QQcategoryZ29223QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Lada

Oooooh...
SHINY!

--- On Mon, 8/18/08, Leonora Radovcic <Lightpaws@...> wrote:
From: Leonora Radovcic <Lightpaws@...>
Subject: [sig] Croatian Tongue
To: sig@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 3:20 PM











             A while back, before I joined this list, I recieved an email from a
SIG

list memeber regarding help with speaking in Croatian.  If that person,

or persons, still wishes help in conversing in Croatian they may

contact me off-list at Lightpaws@aol. com.  I am more than happy to

assit anyone who wishes to learn or practice Croatian.



Sve najbolje,



YIS

Branimira





























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An ebay thing!
THL Isabelle de Foix
Shire Brantestone
Kingdom of Meridies
 Support your friendly local autistics...........I'm one of them..



----- Original Message ----
From: Yevgeniya Pechenaya <ladie_lada@...>
To: sig@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 5:47:37 PM
Subject: [sig] Translation and Language things



I'd like to offer my translation services to anyone in translating Russian to
English and vice versa. I translate at my job and I have also done translation
with in the SCA for scrolls.

Also, I thought this might be of interest

http://cgi.ebay. com/PREHISTORY- of-SLAVIC- by-SHEVELOV- RUSSIA-RARE-
1965_W0QQitemZ27 0266943849QQihZ0 17QQcategoryZ292 23QQssPageNameZW
DVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZV iewItem

Lada

Oooooh...
SHINY!

--- On Mon, 8/18/08, Leonora Radovcic <Lightpaws@aol. com> wrote:
From: Leonora Radovcic <Lightpaws@aol. com>
Subject: [sig] Croatian Tongue
To: sig@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 3:20 PM

A while back, before I joined this list, I recieved an email from a SIG

list memeber regarding help with speaking in Croatian. If that person,

or persons, still wishes help in conversing in Croatian they may

contact me off-list at Lightpaws@aol. com. I am more than happy to

assit anyone who wishes to learn or practice Croatian.

Sve najbolje,

YIS

Branimira











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Is there anyone who speaks Lettish/Latvian - whichever one would have been
spoken in Riga around 1897?  My great-grandfather had a journal, and about
20 pages survived, but I cannot read it.

-- Vitasha

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Yevgeniya Pechenaya
<ladie_lada@...>wrote:

>
> I'd like to offer my translation services to anyone in translating Russian
> to English and vice versa. I translate at my job and I have also done
> translation with in the SCA for scrolls.
>
> Also, I thought this might be of interest
>
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/PREHISTORY-of-SLAVIC-by-SHEVELOV-RUSSIA-RARE-1965_W0QQitemZ2\
70266943849QQihZ017QQcategoryZ29223QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
> Lada
>
> Oooooh...
> SHINY!
>
> --- On Mon, 8/18/08, Leonora Radovcic <Lightpaws@...<Lightpaws%40aol.com>>
> wrote:
> From: Leonora Radovcic <Lightpaws@... <Lightpaws%40aol.com>>
> Subject: [sig] Croatian Tongue
> To: sig@yahoogroups.com <sig%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 3:20 PM
>
> A while back, before I joined this list, I recieved an email from a SIG
>
> list memeber regarding help with speaking in Croatian. If that person,
>
> or persons, still wishes help in conversing in Croatian they may
>
> contact me off-list at Lightpaws@aol. com. I am more than happy to
>
> assit anyone who wishes to learn or practice Croatian.
>
> Sve najbolje,
>
> YIS
>
> Branimira
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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I don't.
THL Isabelle de Foix
Shire Brantestone
Kingdom of Meridies
 Support your friendly local autistics...........I'm one of them.



----- Original Message ----
From: Amy Tubbs <ivanova.doch@...>
To: sig@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:49:47 PM
Subject: Re: [sig] Translation and Language things


Is there anyone who speaks Lettish/Latvian - whichever one would have been
spoken in Riga around 1897? My great-grandfather had a journal, and about
20 pages survived, but I cannot read it.

-- Vitasha

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Yevgeniya Pechenaya
<ladie_lada@yahoo. com>wrote:

>
> I'd like to offer my translation services to anyone in translating Russian
> to English and vice versa. I translate at my job and I have also done
> translation with in the SCA for scrolls.
>
> Also, I thought this might be of interest
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay. com/PREHISTORY- of-SLAVIC- by-SHEVELOV- RUSSIA-RARE-
1965_W0QQitemZ27 0266943849QQihZ0 17QQcategoryZ292 23QQssPageNameZW
DVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZV iewItem
>
> Lada
>
> Oooooh...
> SHINY!
>
> --- On Mon, 8/18/08, Leonora Radovcic <Lightpaws@aol. com<Lightpaws%40aol.
com>>
> wrote:
> From: Leonora Radovcic <Lightpaws@aol.. com <Lightpaws%40aol. com>>
> Subject: [sig] Croatian Tongue
> To: sig@yahoogroups. com <sig%40yahoogroups. com>
> Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 3:20 PM
>
> A while back, before I joined this list, I recieved an email from a SIG
>
> list memeber regarding help with speaking in Croatian. If that person,
>
> or persons, still wishes help in conversing in Croatian they may
>
> contact me off-list at Lightpaws@aol. com. I am more than happy to
>
> assit anyone who wishes to learn or practice Croatian.
>
> Sve najbolje,
>
> YIS
>
> Branimira
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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I know I've been able to figure out other slavic languages based on my knowledge
of Russian. I know same holds true for other slavic speakers. Maybe if you can
post a page from the journal to the list we could figure it out.

Lada

Oooooh...
SHINY!

--- On Tue, 8/19/08, Amy Tubbs <ivanova.doch@...> wrote:
From: Amy Tubbs <ivanova.doch@...>
Subject: Re: [sig] Translation and Language things
To: sig@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 7:49 PM











             Is there anyone who speaks Lettish/Latvian - whichever one would
have been

spoken in Riga around 1897?  My great-grandfather had a journal, and about

20 pages survived, but I cannot read it.



-- Vitasha



On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Yevgeniya Pechenaya

<ladie_lada@yahoo. com>wrote:



>

> I'd like to offer my translation services to anyone in translating Russian

> to English and vice versa. I translate at my job and I have also done

> translation with in the SCA for scrolls.

>

> Also, I thought this might be of interest

>

>

> http://cgi.ebay. com/PREHISTORY- of-SLAVIC- by-SHEVELOV- RUSSIA-RARE-
1965_W0QQitemZ27 0266943849QQihZ0 17QQcategoryZ292 23QQssPageNameZW
DVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZV iewItem

>

> Lada

>

> Oooooh...

> SHINY!

>

> --- On Mon, 8/18/08, Leonora Radovcic <Lightpaws@aol. com<Lightpaws%40aol.
com>>

> wrote:

> From: Leonora Radovcic <Lightpaws@aol. com <Lightpaws%40aol. com>>

> Subject: [sig] Croatian Tongue

> To: sig@yahoogroups. com <sig%40yahoogroups. com>

> Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 3:20 PM

>

> A while back, before I joined this list, I recieved an email from a SIG

>

> list memeber regarding help with speaking in Croatian. If that person,

>

> or persons, still wishes help in conversing in Croatian they may

>

> contact me off-list at Lightpaws@aol. com. I am more than happy to

>

> assit anyone who wishes to learn or practice Croatian.

>

> Sve najbolje,

>

> YIS

>

> Branimira

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>

>



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Here you go.  Best of luck!  I would be so happy if this family mystery was
solved.  :-)

-- Vitasha

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Yevgeniya Pechenaya
<ladie_lada@...>wrote:

>   I know I've been able to figure out other slavic languages based on my
> knowledge of Russian. I know same holds true for other slavic speakers.
> Maybe if you can post a page from the journal to the list we could figure it
> out.
>
> Lada
>
> Oooooh...
> SHINY!
>
>
> --- On Tue, 8/19/08, Amy Tubbs
<ivanova.doch@...<ivanova.doch%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> From: Amy Tubbs <ivanova.doch@... <ivanova.doch%40gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: [sig] Translation and Language things
> To: sig@yahoogroups.com <sig%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 7:49 PM
>
> Is there anyone who speaks Lettish/Latvian - whichever one would have been
>
> spoken in Riga around 1897? My great-grandfather had a journal, and about
>
> 20 pages survived, but I cannot read it.
>
> -- Vitasha
>
> On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Yevgeniya Pechenaya
>
> <ladie_lada@yahoo. com>wrote:
>
> >
>
> > I'd like to offer my translation services to anyone in translating
> Russian
>
> > to English and vice versa. I translate at my job and I have also done
>
> > translation with in the SCA for scrolls.
>
> >
>
> > Also, I thought this might be of interest
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > http://cgi.ebay. com/PREHISTORY- of-SLAVIC- by-SHEVELOV- RUSSIA-RARE-
> 1965_W0QQitemZ27 0266943849QQihZ0 17QQcategoryZ292 23QQssPageNameZW
> DVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZV iewItem
>
> >
>
> > Lada
>
> >
>
> > Oooooh...
>
> > SHINY!
>
> >
>
> > --- On Mon, 8/18/08, Leonora Radovcic <Lightpaws@...<Lightpaws%40aol.
com>>
>
> > wrote:
>
> > From: Leonora Radovcic <Lightpaws@aol. com <Lightpaws%40aol. com>>
>
> > Subject: [sig] Croatian Tongue
>
> > To: sig@yahoogroups. com <sig%40yahoogroups. com>
>
> > Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 3:20 PM
>
> >
>
> > A while back, before I joined this list, I recieved an email from a SIG
>
> >
>
> > list memeber regarding help with speaking in Croatian. If that person,
>
> >
>
> > or persons, still wishes help in conversing in Croatian they may
>
> >
>
> > contact me off-list at Lightpaws@aol. com. I am more than happy to
>
> >
>
> > assit anyone who wishes to learn or practice Croatian.
>
> >
>
> > Sve najbolje,
>
> >
>
> > YIS
>
> >
>
> > Branimira
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
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> >
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> >
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Cough, cough... neither Lithuanian nor Latvian are Slavic languages.
(And Yahoo doesn't allow attachments so we don't have your text yet.)

Aside from that, I'm sure there's someone out there with language
skills who can help you out.  :-)  Try putting your doc in the Files
section of the list and we'll try to identify what language it's in!

Susanna

--- In sig@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Tubbs" <ivanova.doch@...> wrote:
>
> Here you go.  Best of luck!  I would be so happy if this family
mystery was
> solved.  :-)
>
> -- Vitasha
>
> On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Yevgeniya Pechenaya
> <ladie_lada@...>wrote:
>
> >   I know I've been able to figure out other slavic languages based
on my
> > knowledge of Russian. I know same holds true for other slavic
speakers.
> > Maybe if you can post a page from the journal to the list we could
figure it
> > out.
> >
> > Lada
> >
> > Oooooh...
> > SHINY!
> >
> >
> > --- On Tue, 8/19/08, Amy Tubbs
<ivanova.doch@...<ivanova.doch%40gmail.com>>
> > wrote:
> > From: Amy Tubbs <ivanova.doch@... <ivanova.doch%40gmail.com>>
> > Subject: Re: [sig] Translation and Language things
> > To: sig@yahoogroups.com <sig%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 7:49 PM
> >
> > Is there anyone who speaks Lettish/Latvian - whichever one would
have been
> >
> > spoken in Riga around 1897? My great-grandfather had a journal,
and about
> >
> > 20 pages survived, but I cannot read it.
> >
> > -- Vitasha
> >
> >
<message trimmed>

I knew it wasn't written in Cyrillic, but I hadn't looked into the language
tree.  I know it is not similar to Latin or German, or I might have been
able to figure a little out.

Sorry about the attachment.  It is uploaded in the files now.

--Vitasha

On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Suzanne <sovagris@...> wrote:

>   Cough, cough... neither Lithuanian nor Latvian are Slavic languages.
> (And Yahoo doesn't allow attachments so we don't have your text yet.)
>
> Aside from that, I'm sure there's someone out there with language
> skills who can help you out. :-) Try putting your doc in the Files
> section of the list and we'll try to identify what language it's in!
>
> Susanna
>
>
> --- In sig@yahoogroups.com <sig%40yahoogroups.com>, "Amy Tubbs"
> <ivanova.doch@...> wrote:
> >
> > Here you go. Best of luck! I would be so happy if this family
> mystery was
> > solved. :-)
> >
> > -- Vitasha
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Yevgeniya Pechenaya
> > <ladie_lada@...>wrote:
> >
> > > I know I've been able to figure out other slavic languages based
> on my
> > > knowledge of Russian. I know same holds true for other slavic
> speakers.
> > > Maybe if you can post a page from the journal to the list we could
> figure it
> > > out.
> > >
> > > Lada
> > >
> > > Oooooh...
> > > SHINY!
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Tue, 8/19/08, Amy Tubbs
> <ivanova.doch@...<ivanova.doch%40gmail.com>>
> > > wrote:
> > > From: Amy Tubbs <ivanova.doch@... <ivanova.doch%40gmail.com>>
> > > Subject: Re: [sig] Translation and Language things
> > > To: sig@yahoogroups.com <sig%40yahoogroups.com> <sig%40yahoogroups.com
> >
> > > Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 7:49 PM
> > >
> > > Is there anyone who speaks Lettish/Latvian - whichever one would
> have been
> > >
> > > spoken in Riga around 1897? My great-grandfather had a journal,
> and about
> > >
> > > 20 pages survived, but I cannot read it.
> > >
> > > -- Vitasha
> > >
> > >
> <message trimmed>
>
>
>


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Antoinette,
Recently there was a discussion about Romani people on the list, there
is some links to depictions of dress prior to 1500.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sig/message/13443

Hope it helps a little,
Asfridhr

--- In sig@yahoogroups.com, "m.allen" <delacroi29@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>
> We have a new young lady to our local group who is Romi by birth
heritage and a dancer.
> She doesn't want to do a gypsy persona because what she saw at
Pennsic was not authentic to her. Albeit, she  probably didn't see
everything there was to be seen. She is young, 20 years old and wants
to be taken seriously and not look like one of the festival kids.  Her
mom has some authentic Romi clothing and she wondered if it was in
period- I haven't seen any of it.
> Can anyone out there offer some advice, guidance and/or resources
for a Romi persona?
>
>
> Antoinette de la Croix
> Aethelmearc
> (Pittsburgh)
>
> "Be the change you want to see in the world."
> -Gandhi
>
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>

It is indeed in Latvian (one of the two surviving Baltic languages, along with
Lithuanian,
after Old Prussian was made extinct at the end of the eighteenth century).

There are differences in spelling and accented letters compared with modern
Latvian but it
should still be readable by a fluent speaker, barring accidents of handwriting.


--- In sig@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Tubbs" <ivanova.doch@...> wrote:
>
> I knew it wasn't written in Cyrillic, but I hadn't looked into the language
> tree.  I know it is not similar to Latin or German, or I might have been
> able to figure a little out.
>
> Sorry about the attachment.  It is uploaded in the files now.
>
> --Vitasha
>
> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Suzanne <sovagris@...> wrote:
>
> >   Cough, cough... neither Lithuanian nor Latvian are Slavic languages.
> > (And Yahoo doesn't allow attachments so we don't have your text yet.)
> >
> > Aside from that, I'm sure there's someone out there with language
> > skills who can help you out. :-) Try putting your doc in the Files
> > section of the list and we'll try to identify what language it's in!
> >
> > Susanna
> >
> >
> > --- In sig@yahoogroups.com <sig%40yahoogroups.com>, "Amy Tubbs"
> > <ivanova.doch@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Here you go. Best of luck! I would be so happy if this family
> > mystery was
> > > solved. :-)
> > >
> > > -- Vitasha
> > >
> > > On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Yevgeniya Pechenaya
> > > <ladie_lada@>wrote:
> > >
> > > > I know I've been able to figure out other slavic languages based
> > on my
> > > > knowledge of Russian. I know same holds true for other slavic
> > speakers.
> > > > Maybe if you can post a page from the journal to the list we could
> > figure it
> > > > out.
> > > >
> > > > Lada
> > > >
> > > > Oooooh...
> > > > SHINY!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On Tue, 8/19/08, Amy Tubbs
> > <ivanova.doch@<ivanova.doch%40gmail.com>>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > From: Amy Tubbs <ivanova.doch@ <ivanova.doch%40gmail.com>>
> > > > Subject: Re: [sig] Translation and Language things
> > > > To: sig@yahoogroups.com <sig%40yahoogroups.com>
<sig%40yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > > > Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 7:49 PM
> > > >
> > > > Is there anyone who speaks Lettish/Latvian - whichever one would
> > have been
> > > >
> > > > spoken in Riga around 1897? My great-grandfather had a journal,
> > and about
> > > >
> > > > 20 pages survived, but I cannot read it.
> > > >
> > > > -- Vitasha
> > > >
> > > >
> > <message trimmed>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

FYI -

I already have this...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=150286000600&ssPageName=\
STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=005

Su

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Hi.  I am Branimira.  New to the SIG group.  I am researching the 10th
century Croatia.  Mostly the Dalmatian coast.  I'm hoping I can connect
here, learn from all of you, and piece my country's history.  Thank you
for having me here.

YIS
Branimira

Oops.  That's odd.  That post bellow was written a while ago.  But, it
just popped up now.  lol.  Oh well.

Thank you, Lydia od Ragusa, for contacting me off list.

As for others who would like to learn Croatian.  If you are out there,
and want to learn, or need translations, feel free to contact me off
list.  My invitation still stands.

Sve najbolje!

YIS
Branimira

I am writing to update anyone interested in attending our Feast of
Knowledge.

We have had Middle Eastern, All things Viking, Byzantine, you name it. I was
sincerely hoping to have a Slavic tract at our Feast of Knowledge, but I
have had no offers for teachers. Is anyone interested before I have to try
another topic? I really only need about 3 classes on ANY topic related to
this.

There have been several offers made for visitors to stay in the homes of our
Shire members to help defer the cost of traveling. There has also been 3
cabins rented at Hualapai, but I believe only 1 is still available. It
sleeps 6, and the cost is $65 per night.

As far as transportation from the airport to Kingman, our Shire will gladly
help pick up and transport. Just let us know times and place.

If anyone is interested, please email me or call.

Blessings
Śna Ruadh inghean Diarmait
Brathann Rule
(928)-692-5099 (Home)
(928)-897-6801 (Cell)
brathann@...


Cuimhnichibh air na daoine bho'n d'thainig sibh
(Remember the people whom you come from.)

hi,

I was wondering if any one could help me with some paterns and other ideas for
the Vegas Renfestival. My persona is 15-16th century Walachian
http://www.geocities.com/upyr1/garb/other/photos/m_mold2_front.html
I like this shirt- the embrodery and such while I know it may not be fully
period any one have any sugestions about making a tunic like it my self?
-Patrick

You may want to check out Max Tilke, though he to is modern but online. de Bruyn
did some plates on Wallachian and Transylvanian men in the 16th century and Jost
Ammoan may have done some woodcuts for the Nuremburg school in the 16th century
as well.

Best Regards,
'dok
"Dreams are only the realities of yesterday waiting to happen"

--- On Thu, 8/28/08, spmaiorca@... <spmaiorca@...> wrote:

From: spmaiorca@... <spmaiorca@...>
Subject: [sig] garb help/ idea
To: sig@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008, 1:50 PM







hi,

I was wondering if any one could help me with some paterns and other ideas for
the Vegas Renfestival. My persona is 15-16th century Walachian
http://www.geocitie s.com/upyr1/ garb/other/ photos/m_ mold2_front. html
I like this shirt- the embrodery and such while I know it may not be fully
period any one have any sugestions about making a tunic like it my self?
-Patrick


















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---- Tim Nalley <mordakus@...> wrote:
> You may want to check out Max Tilke, though he to is modern but online. de
Bruyn did some plates on Wallachian and Transylvanian men in the 16th century
and Jost Ammoan may have done some woodcuts for the Nuremburg school in the 16th
century as well.
>
> Best Regards,
> 'dok
Could you piost some links espcialy for walachia and not Transylvania.
-Patrick AKA Nicodim Vladescu

I have posted some pics from the Diocletian palace in Split that I had
visited this summer.  Titled "Things Croatian." Hope you like them.
Forgive me if it looks weird.  New camera.  Still playing with it.

YIS
Branimira

Beautiful photos, Branimira.
Thanks,
Johanne


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Forwarded from another List (see below).  I will happily forward any information
you can provide.

Sofya

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http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser
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Subject : FW: [CALONTIR] Any Czech linguists/heralds out there?





If any out there could help I'd appreciate it. I've tried looking up on the web,
which form of "of"( as in "Billy-Bob of Prague") that I need to use for my
Hussite alt persona.

Any help is greatly appreciated

Lief




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You welcome.  I figured out how to change the photo names.  :)  I
will put more later.

Branimira

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> Thanks,
> Johanne
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I am not an expert, just been there, worked there, done a bit of research (much
older than Hus' era though).  Maybe this can help point you in a direction where
you will find a more definitive answer.  My understanding is this...

The form that comes into being in the relatively modern era is the one that
converts the place name at the end.  An example of this form of modification
would be "Of the Hana valley"  becoming Hanak, e.g Miroslav Hanak.  Miroslav's
daughter would be something like Maria Hanakova.  An example from Slovakia would
convert "Of Belusa" (north of Trencin) into Beluscek, thought that spelling
seems to vary.  Whether one converts to "cek" or the "ak" form seems variable
and I have far too small a sample to hazard a guess (both Belusa and Hana end in
"A" but one is definitely converted to "ak" (Hanak, see the athlete named
Hanakova for example) while the other certainly was translated to "cek" (see the
Beluscek family of Chicago as an example). 

Surnames, even those derived form places, are not typically very old (this could
be a record-keeping bias) and as late as WW2 people were still sometimes
identified without them.  For example, a decorated WW2 flying hero in the Czech
Republic is known by the last name of na Namest na Hana  (lierally "Of the place
in the Hana Valley"; Namest na Hana is a town tracing its charter to the 12th
century).  Older records, those dating to the Great Moravian era (ca 9th and
early 10th century) rarely have place names that I have encountered, though
these records are exclusively in non-Czech tongues (no written language) or the
newly introduced Old Slavonic.

You might have some luck following the linguistic resources.  A good place to
start might be...

http://www.library.uiuc.edu/spx/class/SubjectResources/SubSourCzech/lingcz.htm

There is also a discussion of Czech naming practices in the background files of
Wikipedia at... (most of this is on the diacritics and translation, though)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(Czech)
 
Finally Google books may have something useful in a search of... 
From Good King Wenceslas to the Good Soldier ©vejk By Andrew Lawrence Roberts


Best of luck to you, I hope this helps you in some way.

nay ex Janos









--- On Fri, 8/29/08, L.M. Kies <lkies@...> wrote:
From: L.M. Kies <lkies@...>
Subject: [sig] FW: Any Czech linguists/heralds out there?
To: sig@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, August 29, 2008, 3:36 PM











             Forwarded from another List (see below).  I will happily forward any
information you can provide.



Sofya



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Lisa M. Kies, MD aka Lady Sofya la Rus

Mason City, IA aka Shire of Heraldshill, Calontir

http://www.strangel ove.net/~ kieser

"Si no necare, sana." "Mir znachit Pax Romanov"

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------- Original Message -------

Subject : FW: [CALONTIR] Any Czech linguists/heralds out there?



If any out there could help I'd appreciate it. I've tried looking up on the web,
which form of "of"( as in "Billy-Bob of Prague") that I need to use for my
Hussite alt persona.



Any help is greatly appreciated



Lief



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Greetings from Sofya.

I've found a tiny bit of information on period Czech locative bynames that
indicates
the usage of the form "z <placename" and the adjectival form <place>-sky.  The
"na
+ <placename>" would be another possiblity, depending on the nature of the place
being referenced.

The original poster is asking for help finding a SCA-registerable period Czech
locative
byname, so he'll need solid documentation for any information we give him.  I'm
afraid I didn't find anything useful for this in the entertainingly heated
Wikipedia_talk
debate about whether Wikipedia should use Czech diacritical marks in
English-language
articles about Czech subjects.  ;-)

>------- Original Message ------
>
>I am not an expert, just been there, worked there, done a bit of research (much
older than Hus' era though).  Maybe this can help point you in a direction where
you will find a more definitive answer.  My understanding is this...

The form that comes into being in the relatively modern era...

Surnames, even those derived form places, are not typically very old (this could
be a record-keeping bias)...  For example, a decorated WW2 flying hero in the
Czech
Republic is known by the last name of na Namest na Hana  (lierally "Of the place
in the Hana Valley"; Namest na Hana is a town tracing its charter to the 12th
century).
Older records, those dating to the Great Moravian era (ca 9th and early 10th
century)
rarely have place names...

You might have some luck following the linguistic resources.  A good place to
start
might be...

 
[http://www.library.uiuc.edu/spx/class/SubjectResources/SubSourCzech/lingcz.htm]
http://www.library.uiuc.edu/spx/class/SubjectResources/SubSourCzech/lingcz.htm

There is also a discussion of Czech naming practices in the background files of
Wikipedia at... (most of this is on the diacritics and translation, though)

  [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(Czech]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(Czech
)

--- On Fri, 8/29/08, L.M. Kies <lkies@...> wrote:
Forwarded from another List (see below). I will happily forward any information
you can provide.

Sofya

------- Original Message -------

Subject : FW: [CALONTIR] Any Czech linguists/heralds out there?



If any out there could help I'd appreciate it. I've tried looking up on the web,
which form of "of"( as in "Billy-Bob of Prague") that I need to use for my
Hussite
alt persona.


Any help is greatly appreciated


Lief


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Hello,

I've researching Moscovite 12-13th century garb. I'm looking for both female and
male garb. I've found a rather limited sources on-line. Mostly I found Kievan
and Novgorod stuff. Can anyone direct me to anything hopefully with
illustrations and maybe even patterns? I'll be most grateful.

Thank you so much.

Lada

Oooooh...
SHINY!




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Greetings from Sofya to Lada!

I obviously don't know what websites you've found on-line, but I know at least
one set of webpages that _used_ to be called "Kievan Russian Clothing" was
referring to the historical _time period_ called "Kievan Rus" and was not meant
to be a geographical designation.  That is to say, the clothing discussed there
covers all of the lands nominally ruled by the "Grand Prince of Kiev", including
the lands that, in the 12th-13th century, contained the up-and-coming village of
Moscow.  (The author of the webpage in question "grew up" in Nizhny Novgorod and
then moved to Lord Novgorod the Great.)

There are enough similarities across the Rus lands in the 12th-13th century,
that you can use information/patterns from Kiev and Novgorod to at least your
early Muscovite wardrobe started.  The finer distinctions in temple ring
patterns, favored bead colors, lapti weaving pattern/materials, etc. are
partially addressed here:

http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser/Russia/KRCregions.html

You would be particularly interested in Viatichi tribal dress for the Moscow
area.

At your service,

Sofya

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Lisa M. Kies, MD aka Lady Sofya la Rus
Mason City, IA aka Shire of Heraldshill, Calontir
http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser
"Si no necare, sana." "Mir znachit Pax Romanov"
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>------- Original Message -------
>
>Hello,

I've researching Moscovite 12-13th century garb. I'm looking for both female and
male garb. I've found a rather limited sources on-line. Mostly I found Kievan
and Novgorod stuff. Can anyone direct me to anything hopefully with
illustrations and maybe even patterns? I'll be most grateful.

Thank you so much.

Lada

Oooooh...
SHINY!



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Greetings All,

I am not an SCA member.  I am trying to find one or more members who
attended Pennsic (in 1993?)

These members were wearing Polish garb.

I realize it may be impossible to locate these indaviduals.

http://images.google.com/imgres?
imgurl=http://farm1.static.flickr.com/69/229722974_bc0b4d074f.jpg%
3Fv%
3D0&imgrefurl=http://www.flickr.com/photos/anachronista/229722974/in/
set-
72057594050217184/&h=500&w=310&sz=170&hl=en&start=5&um=1&usg=__zEFz1K
3wiqgtoVFnwS8TPP451CA=&tbnid=_G6t2W9CZQda4M:&tbnh=130&tbnw=81&prev=/i
mages%3Fq%3DPolish%2Bhussar%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26rlz%
3D1B3GGGL_enUS242US262%26sa%3DG

This link should take you to the author's slide show.  There is one
image of a Winged Hussar.   There is one image of two noblemen.

Richar P.

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> image of a Winged Hussar.   There is one image of two noblemen.
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> Richard P.

Apparently only this link works.  This should lead to the Hussar.

The noblemen are only a few images away.

A violinist looks to be wearing Slavic garb.

r.
>

While this does not look like him facially (not the last time I saw him,
anyway), Janos the Winged Hussar of Settmour Swamp in the East (Central New
Jersey) has a set of that armor that we wore at that time.  I have no further
information on this gentleman but someone in Settmour Swamp may know how to
contact him.

best, nay ex Janos (NOT the Winged Hussar), who also lived in that barony at
that time.

--- On Sun, 8/31/08, Richard <tinbasher1960@...> wrote:
From: Richard <tinbasher1960@...>
Subject: [sig] Re: Detective Work
To: sig@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, August 31, 2008, 2:24 PM















> 3D0&imgrefurl=http://www.flickr. com/photos/ anachronista/ 229722974/ in/

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> 3wiqgtoVFnwS8TPP451 CA=&tbnid= _G6t2W9CZQda4M: &tbnh=130& tbnw=81&prev= /i

> mages%3Fq%3DPolish% 2Bhussar% 26um%3D1% 26hl%3Den% 26rlz%

> 3D1B3GGGL_enUS242US 262%26sa% 3DG

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> This link should take you to the author's slide show.  There is one

> image of a Winged Hussar.   There is one image of two noblemen.

>

> Richard P.



Apparently only this link works.  This should lead to the Hussar.



The noblemen are only a few images away.



A violinist looks to be wearing Slavic garb.



r.

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--- In sig@yahoogroups.com, John Staeck <avarjanos@...> wrote:
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> While this does not look like him facially (not the last time I
saw him, anyway), Janos the Winged Hussar of Settmour Swamp in the
East (Central New Jersey) has a set of that armor that we wore at
that time.  I have no further information on this gentleman but
someone in Settmour Swamp may know how to contact him.
>
> best, nay ex Janos (NOT the Winged Hussar), who also lived in that
barony at that time.
>
> --- On Sun, 8/31/08, Richard <tinbasher1960@...> wrote:
> From: Richard <tinbasher1960@...>
> Subject: [sig] Re: Detective Work
> To: sig@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, August 31, 2008, 2:24 PM

Thank you for the reply.

The following was a suprisingly rapid reply from  the woman who
posted the images.



Anachronista <anachronista@...> wrote:
This one was taken at Estrella War in 2006 and the guy on the right
side is also from Flickr...

his name is Oilver Dogberry, but I am not sure if that is his SCA
name as well.

I'm sure he would have much more info about that garb than I, as I
think he made it. He may aslo know more about the fellow in this
one, taken at Pennsic 22 (1993), which was my first SCA event ever.
It was YEARS before I knew this was Hussar garb. I have no idea who
he is! This photo had been sitting in a shoebox for years when I met
my current boyfriend (who is Polish, who you may know as Aleksey
Seweryn Kochinowski) and he showed me pictures of Hussars - I knew
they looked familiar!

Aleksey got me interested in Ogniem i Meczeim and 1612. I just wish
I spoke any Polish - I'd love to have some subtitles on 1612 - I
clearly have no idea what is going on for 90% of the movie...you
wouldn't happen to have a translation, would you? Man, that cavalier
gives me doublet envy in a big way.

-Anachronista
--
Anachronista - the blog
Medieval Geekery - SCA Rantings - New Technologies - Fyne Gossip
http://www.anachronista.blogspot.com/


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Gunaydin!

I know Oliver Dogberry - I am not sure if he is a SIG member, but will
forward this to him.

Selaamlar!

Iskander al-Kurdj
Califia, Caid

(San Diego, California)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard" <tinbasher1960@...>
To: <sig@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 8:59 PM
Subject: [sig] Re: Detective Work


--- In sig@yahoogroups.com, John Staeck <avarjanos@...> wrote:
>
> While this does not look like him facially (not the last time I
saw him, anyway), Janos the Winged Hussar of Settmour Swamp in the
East (Central New Jersey) has a set of that armor that we wore at
that time. I have no further information on this gentleman but
someone in Settmour Swamp may know how to contact him.
>
> best, nay ex Janos (NOT the Winged Hussar), who also lived in that
barony at that time.
>
> --- On Sun, 8/31/08, Richard <tinbasher1960@...> wrote:
> From: Richard <tinbasher1960@...>
> Subject: [sig] Re: Detective Work
> To: sig@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, August 31, 2008, 2:24 PM

Thank you for the reply.

The following was a suprisingly rapid reply from  the woman who
posted the images.



Anachronista <anachronista@...> wrote:
This one was taken at Estrella War in 2006 and the guy on the right
side is also from Flickr...

his name is Oilver Dogberry, but I am not sure if that is his SCA
name as well.

I'm sure he would have much more info about that garb than I, as I
think he made it. He may aslo know more about the fellow in this
one, taken at Pennsic 22 (1993), which was my first SCA event ever.
It was YEARS before I knew this was Hussar garb. I have no idea who
he is! This photo had been sitting in a shoebox for years when I met
my current boyfriend (who is Polish, who you may know as Aleksey
Seweryn Kochinowski) and he showed me pictures of Hussars - I knew
they looked familiar!

Aleksey got me interested in Ogniem i Meczeim and 1612. I just wish
I spoke any Polish - I'd love to have some subtitles on 1612 - I
clearly have no idea what is going on for 90% of the movie...you
wouldn't happen to have a translation, would you? Man, that cavalier
gives me doublet envy in a big way.

-Anachronista
--
Anachronista - the blog
Medieval Geekery - SCA Rantings - New Technologies - Fyne Gossip
http://www.anachronista.blogspot.com/


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