I just got gacked with spyware from accessing the
Russian Knowledge Page.   FYI....

--Sfandra


******************
Sfandra Dmitrieva iz Chernigova
Kingdom of the East
******************
"Earth: The most dangerous place known to Man.  Billions of humans have died
there."  --TarynEve, "Desert Isle" (ENTff)

__________________________________________________
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Hello everyone!

I'm new to the group, so please bear with me - I could use your help!

I belong to a non-SCA group which represents a rag tag bunch of
infantry from Eastern Europe late 15- early 16th century. I'm starting
to develop my persona, thanks to the wonderful resources I found from
you folks. But... I am a poor seamtress with little time, and I need
to put together my garb (right now I'm dressed as your generic English
pesant type).

Does anyone know where I might find period garb that would be
appropriate for a married lady of Kyiv (or Ukraine in general)? Or, at
the very least, if I have to sew the basics, good resources for the
embellishments (embroidery, beads, etc. in appropriate patterns I
could stick on)?

Thanks for reading!

Greetings!

Could anyone direct me to a good source, online or print, of
documentable Russian folk and fairy tales?  I am in the process of
trying to build my repertoire and would prefer to stick to period
tales.  I have a book of traditional Russian fairy tales, but none of
them are documented.

Also, could anyone direct me toward good resources on period Russian
poetry?

YIS,
Iustinos

I knew the Russians wre after us! Checking into our every move no doubt!
I thought that black van parked outside my house look suspicious.....

Vlakh

Sfandra wrote:

> I just got gacked with spyware from accessing the
> Russian Knowledge Page.   FYI....
>
> --Sfandra

July 9-11 is Sunday through Tuesday -- is it really on the weekend?  I
might be interested if it is on the weekend.  I'll bring bigos.  :-)


--- In sig@yahoogroups.com, MoxFool@a... wrote:
>
> I'd like to let the members of this list know that I am willing to
host a SIG gathering at the upcoming Siege of Talonval event on July
9-11 this year.

Ooo, you need The Lay of Igor's Campaign!  Or a book of Russian bylini
(epic poems).  Here's an article about The Lay of Igor's Campaign:
http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9042069

"[A] masterpiece of Old Russian literature, an account of the
unsuccessful campaign in 1185 of Prince Igor of Novgorod-Seversky
against the Polovtsy (Kipchak, or Cumans). As in the great French epic
The Song of Roland, Igor's heroic pride draws him into a combat in
which the odds are too great for him. Though defeated, Igor escapes
his captors and returns to his people. The tale was written
anonymously (1185–87) and preserved in a single manuscript, which was
discovered in 1795 by A.I. Musin-Pushkin, published in 1800, and lost
during Napoleon's invasion of Russia in 1812."

Here's an Amazon link to a translation by Nabokov:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/087501061X/sr=1-2/qid=1137543929/ref=sr_1_2/103\
-5911487-8090237?%5Fencoding=UTF8
(If that link doesn't work, put "Igor's Campaign" - in quotes - into
the search box at Amazon.com.)

Also, look for stories featuring Ilya Muromets, Dobrynia Nikitich or
Alyosha Popovich.

--Kseniia

On 1/16/06, Justin <jm_griffing@...> wrote:
> Greetings!
>
> Could anyone direct me to a good source, online or print, of
> documentable Russian folk and fairy tales?  I am in the process of
> trying to build my repertoire and would prefer to stick to period
> tales.  I have a book of traditional Russian fairy tales, but none of
> them are documented.
>
> Also, could anyone direct me toward good resources on period Russian
> poetry?
>
> YIS,
> Iustinos



--
**********************************
Lady Kseniia Smolnianina
Barony of Three Mountains
Kingdom of An Tir
*Si hoc legere scis, nimium eruditionis habes*

One of the best websites out there for Kievan/Russian garb is:

http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser/Russia/KWC.html

As for shopping, hmm...  I've had trouble finding good sources for
Slavic bits and gew-gaws, but if you have a little money to spend on
fabric, try www.istok.net.  And if anyone knows of a good place to buy
embellishments, let us know!

--Kseniia

On 1/16/06, songseeress <songseeress@...> wrote:
> Hello everyone!
>
> I'm new to the group, so please bear with me - I could use your help!
>
> I belong to a non-SCA group which represents a rag tag bunch of
> infantry from Eastern Europe late 15- early 16th century. I'm starting
> to develop my persona, thanks to the wonderful resources I found from
> you folks. But... I am a poor seamtress with little time, and I need
> to put together my garb (right now I'm dressed as your generic English
> pesant type).
>
> Does anyone know where I might find period garb that would be
> appropriate for a married lady of Kyiv (or Ukraine in general)? Or, at
> the very least, if I have to sew the basics, good resources for the
> embellishments (embroidery, beads, etc. in appropriate patterns I
> could stick on)?
>
> Thanks for reading!



--
**********************************
Lady Kseniia Smolnianina
Barony of Three Mountains
Kingdom of An Tir
*Si hoc legere scis, nimium eruditionis habes*

You need Calontir Trim.  Not Slavic specific, but SCA specific, and a great
place to go once you know a little about your persona's trims.  I've only
bought trim from Drix "in person", though.  I'm assuming on-line orders are
handled appropriately...

http://www.calontirtrim.com/

Birka Traders out of Australia has tantalizing replicas of Viking and Rus
metallic items, but I don't know anyone who has ordered from them. 

http://www.birkatraders.com/

Sofya la Rus

>------- Original Message -------
>As for shopping, hmm... I've had trouble finding good sources for
>Slavic bits and gew-gaws, but if you have a little money to spend on
>fabric, try www.istok.net. And if anyone knows of a good place to buy
>embellishments, let us know!
>
>--Kseniia



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In a message dated 1/17/2006 7:16:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Ron_Jachim@... writes:


July 9-11 is Sunday through Tuesday -- is it really on the  weekend?  I
might be interested if it is on the weekend.  I'll  bring bigos.  :-)>>





That's what I get for putting the dates in an email from work. It's July
7-9. Still up for Bigos? :D

Pan Zygmunt Nadratowski, Kruki Jedzenia;
Middle Kingdom, Barony of the  Northwoods, Shire of Talonval
Ward of THL Albyn Buckthorne, C.B.R.,
My  homepage: http://members.aol.com/moxfool/zygmunt.html
Come to the dark side -  we have cookies!


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Greetings!

> Could anyone direct me to a good source, online or print, of
> documentable Russian folk and fairy tales?  I am in the process of
> trying to build my repertoire and would prefer to stick to period
> tales.  I have a book of traditional Russian fairy tales, but none of
> them are documented.
>
> Also, could anyone direct me toward good resources on period Russian
> poetry?

1) Documented period tales... You see, the whole world started collecting folk
texts about the same time - mid-19 century, the time of Grimm bros,
Pre-Raffaelites and Schlimann. The oldest collection is Pesni Kirshi Danilova
(Kirsha/Cyrill Danilov Songs), composewd in 1740s, edited several years later.
The modern research found that the collection of Bylinas and folk ballads on
topics ranging from 10 to 17 century really matches some Cyrill Danilov, a
worker on a metallurgy plant in the Urals, a descendant of Archangelsk (and in
the larger scale - Novgorod) Skomorokhi - entertainers, actors, etc., keeping
much of folk texts until they were outlawed in mid-17 century. The plant owner
appreciated Danilov's songs and allowed him to perform at plant workers'
weddings, and especially for himself - there are some paper notes about that,
dated 1740s and 1750s. So, the mecenate ordered to have Danilov's songs written
down with notation (violin music), and about 1750 - the book is at
  home, I am writing from work so I forgot the exact date - the book was
published, containing about several dozens of songs with notation. There were
bylinas of Kievan and Novgorod cycle, some no-date scabrous songs, traditionally
performed at wedding following the ancient tradition, historic ballads on
15-16-century events, and some 16-17-century songs.
It seems like Danilov was one of those skomorokhs who, following the flow of the
Novgorod expansion, first moved to Archangelsk region, and were moved from there
to the Urals (the state and private factories in the North-Central Urals
emerging in early 18 century were sourced by people from the Russian North -
living from the White Sea to the North Urals, the former Novgorod Lands. So,
Kirsha Danilov came to the Urals with a pack of ancient songs that were passed
from generation to generation, and then composed some himself as well - one or
two of the songs mention some Cyril.

The notation was published only in the first editions of 17-eraly 18 century,
and in one of the latest - mine is of the early 2000s. I guess there are some
texts on the Internet, and - surprisingly - I found once a piece from a Bylina
about Dobrynia in a sheet music collection for piano players, so you have some
chance to get it too.

2) Period Russian Poetry... For pre-mongol times - none of the kind, I fear.
Epics, yes. Slovo O Polku Igoreve (12 cent.) being one of the major issues.
Also, Zadonschina, 15 cent., speaking of teh Kulikovo field battle, using much
of the vocabulary of Slovo o Polku... . Though, there's something for very late
period - 15 and 16 century. Say, the Kalyazin Petition (Kalyazinskaya
Chelobitnaya) a 15-cent. satire filled with real Renaissance spirit.

Hope I told something that helps.
Bye,
Alex

--- Danks Cole <corgano@...> wrote:

> I knew the Russians wre after us! Checking into our
> every move no doubt!
> I thought that black van parked outside my house
> look suspicious.....
>
> Vlakh

LOL!  No, no, that's the N.S.A. ...


--Sfandra


******************
Sfandra Dmitrieva iz Chernigova
Kingdom of the East
******************
"Earth: The most dangerous place known to Man.  Billions of humans have died
there."  --TarynEve, "Desert Isle" (ENTff)

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
http://mail.yahoo.com

Right, so I was tempted NOT to share :-) but I will:

www.UkrainianBookStore.com -- A lovely shop in
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada with friendly staff.  And I
was able to order a copy of "History Of Ukrainian
Costume From The Scythian Period To The Late 17th
Century" from Bayda Books..... *does gleeful costume
geek dance*   (I know this is a coveted book.  I'm
willing to do full color copies to mail to people once
I get it).

They sell trim and fabric and really spectacular
ukrainian trident pendants called Tryzub (but they're
out of stock on the sterling silver ones right now),
and books and other neat things.

--Sfandra



--- Kseniia Smolnianina <kseniia@...> wrote:

> One of the best websites out there for
> Kievan/Russian garb is:
>
> http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser/Russia/KWC.html
>
> As for shopping, hmm...  I've had trouble finding
> good sources for
> Slavic bits and gew-gaws, but if you have a little
> money to spend on
> fabric, try www.istok.net.  And if anyone knows of a
> good place to buy
> embellishments, let us know!
>
> --Kseniia
>
> On 1/16/06, songseeress <songseeress@...>
> wrote:
> > Hello everyone!
> >
> > I'm new to the group, so please bear with me - I
> could use your help!
> >
> > I belong to a non-SCA group which represents a rag
> tag bunch of
> > infantry from Eastern Europe late 15- early 16th
> century. I'm starting
> > to develop my persona, thanks to the wonderful
> resources I found from
> > you folks. But... I am a poor seamtress with
> little time, and I need
> > to put together my garb (right now I'm dressed as
> your generic English
> > pesant type).
> >
> > Does anyone know where I might find period garb
> that would be
> > appropriate for a married lady of Kyiv (or Ukraine
> in general)? Or, at
> > the very least, if I have to sew the basics, good
> resources for the
> > embellishments (embroidery, beads, etc. in
> appropriate patterns I
> > could stick on)?
> >
> > Thanks for reading!
>
>
>
> --
> **********************************
> Lady Kseniia Smolnianina
> Barony of Three Mountains
> Kingdom of An Tir
> *Si hoc legere scis, nimium eruditionis habes*
>




******************
Sfandra Dmitrieva iz Chernigova
Kingdom of the East
******************
"Earth: The most dangerous place known to Man.  Billions of humans have died
there."  --TarynEve, "Desert Isle" (ENTff)

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
http://mail.yahoo.com

The owner requests payment in Traveler's Checks or bank draft in Australian
Dollars.  I was never able to find any financial institution that handled
those items in AUD.

I'm intrigued by the "Electronic Fund Transfers are also possible" on the
website now.  I wonder if that means PayPal or something of that nature.
Heaven help my bank account if so.....

I do wish the gentleman would accept credit cards, but I can certainly
appreciate the fees involved can eat a small business alive and make it
impractical from the vendor's POV.

HTH,

Karaznina Semenova vdova Iul'iana
BMDL, Aethelmearc
mka
Juliana Taper
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

Justin wrote:
> Could anyone direct me to a good source, online or print, of
> documentable Russian folk and fairy tales?  I am in the process of
> trying to build my repertoire and would prefer to stick to period
> tales.  I have a book of traditional Russian fairy tales, but none of
> them are documented.

I don't know if you read Russian, but in case you do, the entirety of
the 1984-85 edition of Afanas'ev's folk tales is reprinted here:

http://feb-web.ru/feb/skazki/default.asp

The site's navigation is rather cumbersome--you have to keep on
expanding the menus on the left until you reach the texts, then click on
their links to open them in new windows.  But it's quite worth it.

--Charles


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I also picked up a copy of "Medieval Russia's Epics, Chronicles, and Tales"
[[Edited by Serge A. Zenovsky]] from Barnes & Noble. So far it's been an
interesting read...

ISBN: 0-452-01086-1 (for those interested)

Mishka


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There was an exhibition at the New York Metropolitan Museum of Art
titled "Prague: Crown of Bohemia 1347 - 1437" recently. The exhibit
closed earlier this month and is now headed back to Prague to be shown
there.

My husband and I are purchased the catalogue as a resource for a
Bohemian persona. The book is excellent with nice photographs and good
descriptions of the items from the exhibit.

Highly recommended for those with an interest in this area.

Here's the Amazonn link : http://tinyurl.com/8bo7p

Being only a short drive to this site, it would be hard for me to pass
this up.  So you can count me in if you decide to get together.



Timoshka

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the sig
group.

   File        : /Katarynas Files/UCB1.zip
   Uploaded by : kataryna_dragonweaver <kataryna_dragonweaver@...>
   Description : Ukrainian Costuming Book excerpt 1

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sig/files/Katarynas%20Files/UCB1.zip

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files

Regards,

kataryna_dragonweaver <kataryna_dragonweaver@...>

My appologies in advance for putting two posts into one but I've been
having email issues...

From: "songseeress" <songseeress@...>

<snip>

>Does anyone know where I might find period garb that would be
>appropriate for a married lady of Kyiv (or Ukraine in general)? Or, at
>the very least, if I have to sew the basics, good resources for the
>embellishments (embroidery, beads, etc. in appropriate patterns I
>could stick on)?
>
>
There is an interesting book in Ukrainian if you read Ukrainian
"Historical Ukrainian Costume"
I've mentioned it on this list before - and posted some colour plates to
the file area of the Yahoo groups site.
Someone on the list wanted more info on one of the colour plates (I
don't recall who - Ludmilla perhaps?)
Again I have a delay on getting it translated (my local translator is
insanely busy) - grumble. So just in case anyone reads Ukrainian I've
posted a portion of the one chapter that seems to be about costume that
falls into the SCA time frame.
There are a bunch of black and white drawings in these pages - so even
if you don't read Ukrainian looking at them will give you ideas.
-Kataryna

From: "Justin" <jm_griffing@...>
<snip>

>Could anyone direct me to a good source, online or print, of
>documentable Russian folk and fairy tales?  I am in the process of
>trying to build my repertoire and would prefer to stick to period
>tales.  I have a book of traditional Russian fairy tales, but none of
>them are documented.
>
>
"Medieval Russia's epics, chronicles, and tales." Edited by Serge A.
Zenkosky, publisher: E.P. Dutton, 1963 (2nd ed. 1974), 526pgs

This will give you a base to work up stories from. They aren't directly
tellable since they are written as literature or taken from chronicles -
so you have to alter them. If you've been reading a lot of the Russian
folk tales you'll quickly be able to pull out the "period" bits that are
in the folk tales and go from there.

I also found a new book called "Down Singing Centuries - Folk Literature
Of The Ukraine" Translated by Florence Randal Livesay, Compiled and
Edited by Louisa Loeb, Publisher: Hyperion Press Limited, 198, 204 pgs.
I haven't been able to take a good look at this yet (I found it over
Xmas and have been to busy since to read non-school stuff) - I suspect
that most of what's in it is 1800, and 1900's stuff - but you never know
the sort of gems you find.

There are also a lot of Ukrainian or Russian twists on Aesop's fables
and other tales that can be tracked to period (The tales, not the
cultural changes can be tracked). If you need (or want) more books that
deal with Russian or Ukrainian tales (non-period) I have a huge
collection and can post all of them. Or if you need titles of books of
period tales in general I also have a collection that I can post.
Here is a good place to look up info on common tales
http://www.surlalunefairytales.com/

I also have notes on how to make a case for a common folk-tale as a
period story. Doing this can be a technical research exercise - fun for
those of use who like research; but can take away from the story if you
don't like that sort of thing. I can post  those notes as well - for
those who are curious.
-Kataryna

wonder if he's looked into to paypal or somthing like it....

If I remember I will ask my DH if he's bought anything from them, I know he
drools over the birka site all the time.

Kathws
----- Original Message -----
From: "Juliana Taper" <jtaper1@...>
To: <sig@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 5:16 PM
Subject: [sig] Re: Birka Traders


> The owner requests payment in Traveler's Checks or bank draft in
> Australian
> Dollars.  I was never able to find any financial institution that handled
> those items in AUD.
>
> I'm intrigued by the "Electronic Fund Transfers are also possible" on the
> website now.  I wonder if that means PayPal or something of that nature.
> Heaven help my bank account if so.....
>
> I do wish the gentleman would accept credit cards, but I can certainly
> appreciate the fees involved can eat a small business alive and make it
> impractical from the vendor's POV.
>
> HTH,
>
> Karaznina Semenova vdova Iul'iana
> BMDL, Aethelmearc
> mka
> Juliana Taper
> Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

In a message dated 1/18/2006 8:40:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mykanderson@... writes:

Being only a short drive to this site, it would be hard for me to pass
this up.  So you can count me in if you decide to get  together.



Timoshka>>

Well then, we definately will! As I said, I'll be teaching an overview of
Poland as well as Polish garb. Istvan Valkai will be teaching something as 
well.




Pan Zygmunt Nadratowski, Kruki Jedzenia;
Middle Kingdom, Barony of the  Northwoods, Shire of Talonval
Ward of THL Albyn Buckthorne, C.B.R.,
My  homepage: http://members.aol.com/moxfool/zygmunt.html
Come to the dark side -  we have cookies!


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[Clip your posts. Moderator]

*Dances all over the place* Thank you all for the wonderful links!
Now all I have to do is the basics - that will save me a lot of time
(& probably the of humilation of a bad embroidery job!)

I appreciate you guys sharing these "secret" spots on the web with
me!

[Clip your posts. Moderator]

Hello!
I would LOVE to have class notes on these classes...
I would of course pay shipping handling.. and would like to have, if at all
possible, permission to teach a class in Caid...
Judwiga


>
>Well then, we definately will! As I said, I'll be teaching an overview of
>Poland as well as Polish garb. Istvan Valkai will be teaching something as
>well.
>
>
>
>
>Pan Zygmunt Nadratowski, Kruki Jedzenia;
>Middle Kingdom, Barony of the  Northwoods, Shire of Talonval
>Ward of THL Albyn Buckthorne, C.B.R.,
>My  homepage: http://members.aol.com/moxfool/zygmunt.html
>Come to the dark side -  we have cookies!

In a message dated 1/21/2006 1:26:51 AM Eastern Standard Time,
JudwigaCaidI@... writes:

Hello!
I would LOVE to have class notes on these classes...
I  would of course pay shipping handling.. and would like to have, if at all
possible, permission to teach a class in  Caid...
Judwiga>>

You bet! When I have them updated I'll send them out. STandard rule applies
- please only use them for personal use and credit the author when used, etc.
Thanks!


Pan Zygmunt Nadratowski, Kruki Jedzenia;
Middle Kingdom, Barony of the  Northwoods, Shire of Talonval
Ward of THL Albyn Buckthorne, C.B.R.,
My  homepage: http://members.aol.com/moxfool/zygmunt.html
Come to the dark side -  we have cookies!


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Anyone tried some of these?

http://www.economist.com/cities/displayObject.cfm?
obj_id=5378963&city_id=MCW

-Evyenios

The Latvian "Riga Balsam" really is extremely good.
You can sometimes - quite rarely - find it in the US. It is
occassionally sold in Russian food stores. I once managed to buy a
bottle in San Francisco - the largest local Russian store was stocking
it for a few months.

And I wouldn't recommend potato vodka to anyone. There's a reason they
traditionally make it out of potatoes only when there is no other base
to be had.

Also, Eastern European fruit-based cordials are fabulous. The cherry
and currant (black or red) ones, especially.
For anyone in Milwaukee, WI, there is a Polish restaurant there that
serves amazing Polish cherry cordial (possibly home-made, I can't
remember), and I think they might have other kinds, as well.
And in Minneapolis, MN, there's a Russian restaurant that serves just
about any kind of vodka you can imagine - their homemade cherry one is
especially well known.

  ~Aryenne


On 1/23/06, Evyenios Athanasiou <ebrads@...> wrote:
> Anyone tried some of these?
>
> http://www.economist.com/cities/displayObject.cfm?
> obj_id=5378963&city_id=MCW
>
> -Evyenios

Do you want my snail mail addy? or my e-mail?

Katheryne
who *loves* anything Polish

JudwigaCaidI@... writes:

Hello!
I would LOVE to have class notes on these classes...
I  would of course pay shipping handling.. and would like to have, if at all
possible, permission to teach a class in  Caid...
Judwiga>>

You bet! When I have them updated I'll send them out. STandard rule applies
- please only use them for personal use and credit the author when used, etc.
Thanks!

Pan Zygmunt Nadratowski, Kruki Jedzenia;

Please sign me up for a copy of those class notes also! I promise to abide by
your "standard rules."
Lady Una Mhor


You bet! When I have them updated I'll send them out. STandard rule applies
- please only use them for personal use and credit the author when used, etc.
Thanks!


Pan Zygmunt Nadratowski, Kruki Jedzenia;


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In a message dated 1/23/2006 7:31:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,
purplkat@... writes:

Do you  want my snail mail addy? or my e-mail?

Katheryne
who *loves*  anything Polish >>


Snail please. This should be a large file by the time it's done.

Oh, and I'm currently working on a pattern for a Ferezia....


Pan Zygmunt Nadratowski, Kruki Jedzenia;
Middle Kingdom, Barony of the  Northwoods, Shire of Talonval
Ward of THL Albyn Buckthorne, C.B.R.,
My  homepage: http://members.aol.com/moxfool/zygmunt.html
Come to the dark side -  we have cookies!


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At the 4-winds ren fair in tyler tx, weekend of April 8-9.  17th C.
cossack rebellion will be brutally suppressed by noble winged hussars
and Col. Walter Butler's dragoons.
-Rick