Dear friends,
Namu Amida Butsu!
This is Clifton here, as some of you may know i have a
newsletter called Hongan News under Yahoo!groups. I
was wondering if anyone was interested in submitting
articles pertaining to
1) Pure Land Buddhism, especially Jodo Shinshu.
2)Sermons, Messages, news (esp on happenings in the
Honganji Overseas districts).
3) History and development on Shinshu (Sensei Alfred
Bloom can help with this especially i hope! hehe).
4) Personal encounters with Jodo Shinshu. etc
are especially welcome.
If anyone has any articles to contribute, please send
it to sanath_sg@..., sanathong@... or
sanathong@.... Thank you in advance and hope you
all can contribute articles!

Gassho,
Clifton (Shaku Do Tatsu)
Singapore Hongan Mission (Jodo Shinshu)
Editor, Hongan News

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Clifton,
Wonderful work you are doing in Singapore! Incidentally, the Boston
Shinshu sangha recently sent a shipment of Shin books to a fledgling
Shin sangha in Lloilo City, Philippings. We're getting the message
out, slowly but surely.
with palms together,
Shaku Egen
(Rick S.)

>Clifton,
>Wonderful work you are doing in Singapore! Incidentally, the Boston
>Shinshu sangha recently sent a shipment of Shin books to a fledgling
>Shin sangha in Lloilo City, Philippings.

er, that's PHILIPPINES. :)


>  We're getting the message
>out, slowly but surely.
>with palms together,
>Shaku Egen
>(Rick S.)
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Dear Bro Richard,
thank you so much, but compared to what others have
been doing to spread the Teachings out, what i am
doing is incomparibly small.
It is most wonderful to know of a Sangha in the
Philippines, which is a very strong catholic country!
Perhaps i was wondering if you could give me the
person to contact, it would be an incredible Go-en
(Affinity) to have contact with them!
Maybe you could share with us more of what you know
about the Sangha in the Philippines?
Gassho,
Clifton (Shaku Do Tatsu)

--- "Richard St. Clair" <stclair@...> wrote:
> Clifton,
> Wonderful work you are doing in Singapore!
> Incidentally, the Boston
> Shinshu sangha recently sent a shipment of Shin
> books to a fledgling
> Shin sangha in Lloilo City, Philippings. We're
> getting the message
> out, slowly but surely.
> with palms together,
> Shaku Egen
> (Rick S.)
>


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Q: Why is it that such a wonderful teaching as the
Buddh-dharma is not accepted more widely in our
society?

A: Unfortunately even a true and righteous teaching is
not accepted with an open mind today. Therefore, it
behooves us to try with greater effort for its
propagation. Please reflect once more on the
following:

1.    Could it be that Buddhism has become a family
religion rather than our own personal religion?
2.    Could it be that you are just a follower in name
only?
3.    Could it be that you are just a priest in
appearance only and are without faith?
4.    Could it be that the relationship between the
temple and its constituents (members) is just
superficial and customary?
5.    Could it be that the zeal to propagate the
teaching is lacking?
6.    Could it be that you think it is just the
priest's task to spread the teaching and that you as
layman have no responsibility?
7.    Could it be that you are keeping the faith to
yourself and not actively trying to share this faith
with others?

- from "Jodo Shinshu Handbook for Laymen" published by
Honganji International Centre

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Hi,

Question 1

Contemplation Sutra
Part 1, No.7

Then the World-Honored One said: 'Now do you not know, Vaidehi, that Buddha
Amitayus is not very far from here?

Amitabha Sutra
"Passing from here through hundreds of thousands of millions of Buddha-lands
to the West, there is a land called Ultimate Bliss. In this land, at this
moment, a Buddha named Amitabha teaches the Dharma.

How come? Amitabha Sutra says that the land is very far, but Contemplation
Sutra says it is not very far.
Is sukhavati another planes of existence or is it on the same universe as
us?

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Question 2

A friend asked:
Amitabha is not Maitreya.Where does the Buddhist Scriptures?

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Question 3

Maitreya does not mean kindness, it means friend or loving friend.
Is this right?

Thank you,
Wynn

No, Dharanis & Mantras were never used in a sense of
invoking a prayer (in the christian sense), it is used
in Shingon and Vajrayana (even Chinese Mahayana) as a
way to cultivate mindfulness, and in Shingon,
complete-oneness in body, speech and mind with the
Honzon (Diety) that the practitioner is practicing.
Gassho,
Clifton (Shaku Do Tatsu)

--- wynn <wewynal@...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Question 4
>
> Are dharanis and mantras = prayers? (in the
> Christian sense)
>
> Thank you,
> Wynn
>


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In the original versions, there were no such terms as
He, Him (the masculine sense), but when translated
into western language it took on the masculine sense
becos in western language He, Him was used more often.
It could also be becos in traditional Buddhism women
cannot become a Brahma, Indra, Mara, Wheel-turning
Monarch and a Buddha. But in the Pure Land there is no
difference between the sexes, and what is more, the
Bodhisattvas there dwell in the Stage of the
Non-retrogression, and they are not bounded by these
dualites that we have, they can take on any form
(male, female) to liberate sentient beings.
Gassho,
Clifton (Shaku Do Tatsu)

--- wynn <wewynal@...> wrote:
> SMALLER
> SUKHAVATIVYUHA  SUTRA
> No.9
>
> 'Shariputra, if there be a good man or a good woman,
> who, on hearing of Buddha Amitayus, keeps his name
> (in mind) with thoughts undisturbed for one day, two
> days, three days, four days, five days, six days, or
> seven days, that person, when about to die, (will
> see) Amitayus Buddha accompanied by his holy host
> appear before him; and immediately after his death,
> he with his mind undisturbed can be born into the
> Sukhavati land of Buddha Amitayus
>
> Hi,
>
> This discussion is not perfect. Does anyone have a
> better translation?
> This translation uses he, him etc
>
> Thank you,
> Wynn
>


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This is for Wynn, anyone who would like to elaborate,
pls do so, thanks and gassho!
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SMALLERSUKHAVATIVYUHA  SUTRANo.9 'Shariputra, if there be a good man or a good woman, who, on hearing of Buddha Amitayus, keeps his name (in mind) with thoughts undisturbed for one day, ... or seven days, that person, when about to die, (will see) Amitayus Buddha accompanied by his holy host appear before him; and immediately after his death, he with his mind undisturbed can be born into the Sukhavati land of Buddha Amitayus This translation uses he, him etc

Why not?

--
Jerome Ducor
http://www.ville-ge.ch/musinfo/ethg/ducor/
 

But in the Pure Land there is no
difference between the sexes,

the Bodhisattvas there dwell in the Stage of the
Non-retrogression,

cheers
--
Jerome Ducor
http://www.ville-ge.ch/musinfo/ethg/ducor/
 

Sensei,
would they be male 'males' in our sense of
perspective?
Gassho,
Clifton (Shaku Do Tatsu)

--- Jérôme Ducor <jerome.ducor@...> wrote:
> Clifton Ong wrote :
>
> > But in the Pure Land there is no
> > difference between the sexes,
>
> All beings in Sukhavati are male. See also the Vow
> 35th.
>
>
> > the Bodhisattvas there dwell in the Stage of the
> > Non-retrogression,
>
> According to Shinran's unique interpretation we
> dwell in the Stage of
> the
> Non-retrogression from the very moment we got faith
> already in this
> life.
>
> cheers
> --
> Jerome Ducor
> http://www.ville-ge.ch/musinfo/ethg/ducor/
>
>


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Clifton Ong wrote :

> would they be male 'males' in our sense of
> perspective?

Yes, I think so. One of the 32 pysical marks of the buddhas and great
bodhisattvas is:
their penis is concealed like the horse's (koshopagatavastiguhya).
--
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Could it be that the Dharma can't be "propagated"
until the causes and conditions are ripe?


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The Bahai faith came out much later than Pure Land
Buddhism, and also, it wouldnt be surprising for them
to claim such because of trying to win converts.
Gassho,
Clifton (Shaku Do Tatsu)


--- wynn <wewynal@...> wrote:
> A Bahai friend wrote this to me. How would you
> reply?
> He is very skeptical so if you are amking any claim
> I would appreciate if you can quote from the sutras.
>
> Thank you,
> Wynn
>
> > Tell us, minus hyperbole and allegory, that there
> will be a Holy Land in
> > the West, that you can be 'reborn into; if you
> chant the Name of
> > Amitabha, the Light of the Infinete, Who is a
> Buddha Who wears red crown
> > and robe,which Baha'u'llah did, and with another
> Buddha called
> > Avalokitesvara, who wears green Robe and Truban,
> which the Bab did,and a
> > Boddhisattva, Princ of the Dharma, significantly
> not a Budha, named Most
> > Mighty Branch, who wears a white turban and a grey
> or light robe, which
> > 'Abdu'l-Baha, the Most Mighty Branch did,and there
> is a mountain
> > overlooking the sea, with gardens everywhere and a
> golden domed buiding
> > on it,and this is how to recognize the Holy Land
> in the West.
> >
> > And you say that this has no connection with the
> Baha'i Faith? And
> > expect exacly how many people to believe this?
>
>


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>  In ancient Indian
>society (and many others too), whether we like it or not now, the position
>of  women was very undesirable.

I have heard that conditions for women in India are still pretty bad,
though probably not nearly as bad as in antiquity.

As to all this argument about gender in the Pure Land, it is all
opinionizing and pointless hairsplitting. A purified buddha-field
such as Amida's Pure Land exists without the markings of samsara
which include gender differences. In other words, no males *or*
females in Sukhavati.

The vows and the descriptions of the ornaments of Amida's Pure Land
are metaphorical, not to be taken literally. This is true of Mahayana
sutras in general. If you try to interpret them literally you end up
supporting superstition and magical thinking. There are too many
fundamentalists in Buddhism already. We do not need Pure Land
fundamentalists "thumping" the Pure Land sutras!

gassho,
Rick
(Shaku Egen)

A Bahai friend wrote this to me. How would you reply?

He is very skeptical so if you are amking any claim I would appreciate if you can quote from the sutras.

Thank you,

Wynn

> Tell us, minus hyperbole and allegory, that there will be a Holy Land in
> the West, that you can be 'reborn into; if you chant the Name of
> Amitabha, the Light of the Infinete, Who is a Buddha Who wears red crown
> and robe,which Baha'u'llah did, and with another Buddha called
> Avalokitesvara, who wears green Robe and Truban, which the Bab did,and a
> Boddhisattva, Princ of the Dharma, significantly not a Budha, named Most
> Mighty Branch, who wears a white turban and a grey or light robe, which
> 'Abdu'l-Baha, the Most Mighty Branch did,and there is a mountain
> overlooking the sea, with gardens everywhere and a golden domed buiding
> on it,and this is how to recognize the Holy Land in the West.
>

> And you say that this has no connection with the Baha'i Faith? And

> expect exacly how many people to believe this?

Hi
Knowing that discussions on interfaith connections are
dangerous on this list, {this is said with a smile} I
would venture to say that all Dharmas are empty of
characteristics and that all Dharmas are
interconnected and interdependent. Maybe we could look
at simmilarities between faiths as a wonderful,
beautiful and enriching thing. Maybe we could get over
our need to be right and true to the exclusion of
others.
When I go to an ice cream store, there are many
flavors. I won't eat them all at once, but I might
have a single scoop of green tea or chocolate, or I
might have a wonderful sundae of several flavors. All
flavors are good. I might not like them all, but
somebody likes the very flavor I detest.
Gassho
Neil
(Shaku Mutai)

> >A Bahai friend wrote this to me. How would you
> reply?
> >He is very skeptical so if you are amking any claim
> I would
> >appreciate if you can quote from the sutras.
> >
> >Thank you,
> >Wynn
> >
> >  > Tell us, minus hyperbole and allegory, that
> there will be a Holy Land in
> >>  the West, that you can be 'reborn into; if you
> chant the Name of
> >>  Amitabha, the Light of the Infinete, Who is a
> Buddha Who wears red crown
> >>  and robe,which Baha'u'llah did, and with another
> Buddha called
> >>  Avalokitesvara, who wears green Robe and Truban,
> which the Bab did,and a
> >>  Boddhisattva, Princ of the Dharma, significantly
> not a Budha, named Most
> >>  Mighty Branch, who wears a white turban and a
> grey or light robe, which
> >>  'Abdu'l-Baha, the Most Mighty Branch did,and
> there is a mountain
> >>  overlooking the sea, with gardens everywhere and
> a golden domed buiding
> >>  on it,and this is how to recognize the Holy Land
> in the West.
> >>
> >  > And you say that this has no connection with
> the Baha'i Faith? And
> >  > expect exacly how many people to believe this?



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Good Evening, Neil:

At least it is here in rainy Rhode Island.

I couldn't agree with you more on your comments regarding the necessity of a
variety of -- well, shall we say options? -- in finding the "golden land"
(or whatever one feels comfortable to call it).  I have sampled many flavors
(to follow your analogy) and some I majored in for a time.  Others I
rejected in aversion almost immediatly.  Jodo-Shin is, in my experience, one
of the premier flavors, a real headliner!!!  BUT it's my opinion.

Well, anyhoooo, that's my 2cents worth ;)

Namaste;
Ray


----Original Message Follows----
From: Neil Rasmussen <neilrasmussen@...>
Reply-To: shinlist@yahoogroups.com
To: shinlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [shinlist] Bahai
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:46:17 -0700 (PDT)

Hi
Knowing that discussions on interfaith connections are
dangerous on this list, {this is said with a smile} I
would venture to say that all Dharmas are empty of
characteristics and that all Dharmas are
interconnected and interdependent. Maybe we could look
at simmilarities between faiths as a wonderful,
beautiful and enriching thing. Maybe we could get over
our need to be right and true to the exclusion of
others.
When I go to an ice cream store, there are many
flavors. I won't eat them all at once, but I might
have a single scoop of green tea or chocolate, or I
might have a wonderful sundae of several flavors. All
flavors are good. I might not like them all, but
somebody likes the very flavor I detest.
Gassho
Neil
(Shaku Mutai)

  > >A Bahai friend wrote this to me. How would you
  > reply?
  > >He is very skeptical so if you are amking any claim
  > I would
  > >appreciate if you can quote from the sutras.
  > >
  > >Thank you,
  > >Wynn
  > >
  > >  > Tell us, minus hyperbole and allegory, that
  > there will be a Holy Land in
  > >>  the West, that you can be 'reborn into; if you
  > chant the Name of
  > >>  Amitabha, the Light of the Infinete, Who is a
  > Buddha Who wears red crown
  > >>  and robe,which Baha'u'llah did, and with another
  > Buddha called
  > >>  Avalokitesvara, who wears green Robe and Truban,
  > which the Bab did,and a
  > >>  Boddhisattva, Princ of the Dharma, significantly
  > not a Budha, named Most
  > >>  Mighty Branch, who wears a white turban and a
  > grey or light robe, which
  > >>  'Abdu'l-Baha, the Most Mighty Branch did,and
  > there is a mountain
  > >>  overlooking the sea, with gardens everywhere and
  > a golden domed buiding
  > >>  on it,and this is how to recognize the Holy Land
  > in the West.
  > >>
  > >  > And you say that this has no connection with
  > the Baha'i Faith? And
  > >  > expect exacly how many people to believe this?



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Good Evening, Richard:

So we have fundamentalists in Buddhism too, eh ;).  Fundamentalism exists in
EVERY mode of spiritual communion I have been exposed to.  It's a
psychological thing that some people need, I guess.  Doubts and open-ended
questions are anathema to certain sorts of folks.  Sad, but inevitable.

Gassho;
Ray


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To: shinlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [shinlist] Question
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:05:46 -0400

  >  In ancient Indian
  >society (and many others too), whether we like it or not now, the position
  >of  women was very undesirable.

I have heard that conditions for women in India are still pretty bad,
though probably not nearly as bad as in antiquity.

As to all this argument about gender in the Pure Land, it is all
opinionizing and pointless hairsplitting. A purified buddha-field
such as Amida's Pure Land exists without the markings of samsara
which include gender differences. In other words, no males *or*
females in Sukhavati.

The vows and the descriptions of the ornaments of Amida's Pure Land
are metaphorical, not to be taken literally. This is true of Mahayana
sutras in general. If you try to interpret them literally you end up
supporting superstition and magical thinking. There are too many
fundamentalists in Buddhism already. We do not need Pure Land
fundamentalists "thumping" the Pure Land sutras!

gassho,
Rick
(Shaku Egen)

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Hello All,

           The whole Bahai question reminds me of the Buddha's teaching in the
Lotus Sutra.  All sentient beings will be saved and by the One Vehicle. 
However, the indivigual path I follow may not be suitable for others, hence the
appearence that there are many vehicles.  All paths which lead to Truth are
really the one and only Way.

Gassho,

Gerold

Thanks Ray -
I agree - Jodo Shinshu is not only very tasty, it is
also almost completely non-fattening! A miracle! Pure
rich ice cream that is healthy for you!!!
Gassho
Neil




--- Ray Shepard <gaian41@...> wrote:
> Good Evening, Neil:
>
> At least it is here in rainy Rhode Island.
>
> I couldn't agree with you more on your comments
> regarding the necessity of a
> variety of -- well, shall we say options? -- in
> finding the "golden land"
> (or whatever one feels comfortable to call it).  I
> have sampled many flavors
> (to follow your analogy) and some I majored in for a
> time.  Others I
> rejected in aversion almost immediatly.  Jodo-Shin
> is, in my experience, one
> of the premier flavors, a real headliner!!!  BUT
> it's my opinion.
>
> Well, anyhoooo, that's my 2cents worth ;)
>
> Namaste;
> Ray
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: Neil Rasmussen <neilrasmussen@...>
> Reply-To: shinlist@yahoogroups.com
> To: shinlist@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [shinlist] Bahai
> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:46:17 -0700 (PDT)
>
> Hi
> Knowing that discussions on interfaith connections
> are
> dangerous on this list, {this is said with a smile}
> I
> would venture to say that all Dharmas are empty of
> characteristics and that all Dharmas are
> interconnected and interdependent. Maybe we could
> look
> at simmilarities between faiths as a wonderful,
> beautiful and enriching thing. Maybe we could get
> over
> our need to be right and true to the exclusion of
> others.
> When I go to an ice cream store, there are many
> flavors. I won't eat them all at once, but I might
> have a single scoop of green tea or chocolate, or I
> might have a wonderful sundae of several flavors.
> All
> flavors are good. I might not like them all, but
> somebody likes the very flavor I detest.
> Gassho
> Neil
> (Shaku Mutai)
>
>  > >A Bahai friend wrote this to me. How would you
>  > reply?
>  > >He is very skeptical so if you are amking any
> claim
>  > I would
>  > >appreciate if you can quote from the sutras.
>  > >
>  > >Thank you,
>  > >Wynn
>  > >
>  > >  > Tell us, minus hyperbole and allegory, that
>  > there will be a Holy Land in
>  > >>  the West, that you can be 'reborn into; if
> you
>  > chant the Name of
>  > >>  Amitabha, the Light of the Infinete, Who is a
>  > Buddha Who wears red crown
>  > >>  and robe,which Baha'u'llah did, and with
> another
>  > Buddha called
>  > >>  Avalokitesvara, who wears green Robe and
> Truban,
>  > which the Bab did,and a
>  > >>  Boddhisattva, Princ of the Dharma,
> significantly
>  > not a Budha, named Most
>  > >>  Mighty Branch, who wears a white turban and a
>  > grey or light robe, which
>  > >>  'Abdu'l-Baha, the Most Mighty Branch did,and
>  > there is a mountain
>  > >>  overlooking the sea, with gardens everywhere
> and
>  > a golden domed buiding
>  > >>  on it,and this is how to recognize the Holy
> Land
>  > in the West.
>  > >>
>  > >  > And you say that this has no connection with
>  > the Baha'i Faith? And
>  > >  > expect exacly how many people to believe
> this?
>
>
>
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