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The observant Jewish child OF The supportive Non-Jewish Spouse   Message List  
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RE: [Shefa] Re: The observant Jewish child OF The supportive Non-Jewish Spouse

All:

 

As a parent whose daughter first became engaged to a non-Jewish man and then asked me to help them plan a traditional Jewish wedding, I have more than a little first hand experience with the emotional tension between being embracing, yet defining the limits of what one may & may not do as a Conservative Jew.  Anecdotally, my daughter belonged to a Reform congregation whose rabbi did not perform mixed marriages.

 

We have quite a few mixed marriage couples in our congregation.  Most feel as welcome as they choose to be.  By that I mean that we have some non-Jewish spouses who are very active in our communal life, and others who are phantoms (we see them at their children’s B’nai Mitzvah).  When mixed marriage couples visit as prospective members, we explain our approach thoroughly and as thoughtfully as we can.  Children of non-Jewish mothers must convert before their B’nai Mitzvah, non-Jewish spouses may not participate in the Jewish liturgy, membership is as a single parent family, and Jewish members with non-Jewish spouses may not serve as synagogue officers.  Once in a while, this causes some friction when a family wants to have non-Jewish grandparents, etc participate in services during a Bar or Bat Mitzvah, or when the Jewish spouse wants to become a synagogue officer.  

 

Sometimes I sense that people would prefer not to have to make choices.  More significantly, they prefer that choices have no consequences.  If one chooses to intermarry, that represents a complex and sometimes difficult set of choices.  The net effect of those choices is to have a marriage that is outside the established norms of Conservative Judaism.  Notwithstanding, most shuls welcome mixed marriage couples with caveats similar to those I mentioned for our shul.  If a couple feels unwelcome because they aren’t permitted to choreograph the community’s liturgy to meet their personal needs, I consider that to be a case of devaluing the community’s needs.  

 

The Jewish people exist today because we subjugate personal whims and preferences to the needs of the K’lal.  There’s a tremendous range of practices between mourning the loss of the child who chooses a non-Jewish spouse and abandoning our tradition in order to make mixed-marriage families feel more comfortable.  Personally I advocate for full inclusivity in non-liturgical activities except top leadership.  Synagogue leaders are supposed to exemplify the norms of our community.  Promoting mixed marriage is not one of those norms.  This approach seems to work in our community.  It reflects a reasonably strong sense of who we are as Conservative Jews.  I also suggest that leaders of synagogue communities spend time with non-Jewish spouses and mixed-marriage couples just to get a sense of how they feel about their place in the community.  Do they feel welcome, integrated, marginalized, etc.?  I think that it’s imperative to acknowledge the validity of personal feelings without making judgments. Once we hear how mixed marriage couples feel about the community, we can become more creative in building understanding.  At the end of the day, a few mixed marriage couples will feel more comfortable outside the Conservative community.  My experience with the couples at our synagogue is that they understand the rational behind our position and don’t feel any less welcome because of those boundaries.  

 

Shabbat Shalom,

 

Fred Passman

 


From: shefa@yahoogroups.com [mailto:shefa@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Derek Fields
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 2:23 PM
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Subject: RE: [Shefa] Re: The observant Jewish child OF The supportive Non-Jewish Spouse

 

Robert –

 

I am at a loss to respond to your post.  I don’t know what it means to be welcoming or understanding or accepting of intermarried families (as opposed to other types of families or singles).   I have started to give a measured response three times today only to find that no matter how I put it, what I say will be perceived as offensive and off-putting.  Instead, I would like to ask for specific anecdotes that are representative of how congregations (unnamed to avoid lashon hara) are unwelcoming, lacking of understanding and rejecting these families.  With specific examples in mind, we might be able together to determine whether the negative outcome is one of perception or substance.  There are a few scattered examples in this thread and, if I can get the time, I will try to pull them together.  The example of “anti-intermarriage polemics” comes to mind because it is recent.

 

Shabbat Shalom. 

 

Thank G-d its Friday.

 

 

Derek


From: Robert E. Braitman, M.D. [mailto:braitman@...]
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 9:17 AM
To: shefa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Shefa] Re: The observant Jewish child OF The supportive Non-Jewish Spouse

 

Several weeks ago I introduced the discussion topic of the supportive non-Jewish spouse because I was curious as to how synagogues in your communities approached these families. At that time I suggested that a vital conservative movement must embrace all Jewish families whether both parents are Jewish or not.

 

I think that there are two very different, and very important discussions going on here.  There's no question that it's important for us as conservative Jews to support the concept and do everything that we can to encourage our children to marry Jews.  The statistics of the outcomes of intermarriage are clear both for the continuity of a Jewish life in these families and also simply for the success of the marriage itself.  Much as been written about strategies to encourage in-marriage and I won't dwell on that here.

 

What I am urging though, is that once an intermarriage has occurred, particularly one where the non-Jewish spouse is supportive of maintaining a Jewish home and raising Jewish children, that as conservative Jews we miss an opportunity if we don't welcome these families into our midst.  The experiences of many who have posted on this theme have clearly demonstrated that many conservative synagogues are, to say the very least, not welcoming to these families.  There is a perception that they are welcome in the Reform movement, but indeed many don't feel comfortable since their upbringing or style of Jewish life lead them to the conservative community.

 

What I would urge then, as Jewish activists within the conservative movement, is that it is time for us to speak to of leaders of our own communities and to look at how our communities are reacting to families who would like to be actively involved.  Are we welcoming? Are we understanding of the dilemmas that these families face?  Do we subtly or overtly reject these families as being somehow less "authentic"?



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