... Good idea! How does one use the vault, though? I assume this is some eGroups- specific thing? Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <Philip.Newton@...>...
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Bruce Hearn
behearn@...
Oct 2, 1999 2:31 pm
hi, I came across Shavian recently and have been learning it bit by bit. What method can anyone suggest to approach the learning. Is it just a matter of...
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Daniel G. Szczurek
twojbrat@...
Oct 2, 1999 8:32 pm
Dear Hal, I am a computer illiterate. What is the Vault? Dr. Dan Szczurek...
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Daniel G. Szczurek
twojbrat@...
Oct 2, 1999 8:32 pm
Dear Bruce Hearn, There already exists an alphabet for writing all the world's languages, The International Phonetic Alphabet. Shavian is a proposed solution...
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A.M.Callaway
acal@...
Oct 6, 1999 2:41 pm
... Hello ... Er, silly question but, where do I find the Vault? - .+'^'+. A.M.Callaway ----------------- acal@... - A N D Y Melbourne, Australia...
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Hugh Birkenhead
mixsynth@...
Oct 6, 1999 9:16 pm
Thout this one raised important points: [snip] ... To what extent, 'write the way we speak'? If I may be so bold, I would like to put it to you all that at...
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Lionel Ghoti
ghoti@...
Oct 6, 1999 9:16 pm
Go to www.egroups.com/group/shavian then select the link that says "Vault". ... From: A.M.Callaway <acal@...> To: <shavian@egroups.com> Sent: 06...
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Daniel G. Szczurek
twojbrat@...
Oct 6, 1999 10:10 pm
Dear Hugh, I think you make a very good point about the phonetic value of the Shavian characters. All most of us in the U.S. ever see is the chart with the...
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YDerwydd@...
Oct 7, 1999 6:07 am
Dear Hugh, I have sat on the sidelines reading the discussions, but not contributing. I hope no one minds me adding my two coppers worth now. Your point about...
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RSRICHMOND@...
Oct 7, 1999 3:06 pm
The debate about British Received Pronunciation and spell as you speak rumbles on. This Norteamericano has made his position clear before. Hugh Birkenhead...
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A.M.Callaway
acal@...
Oct 8, 1999 3:46 pm
Evenin' all... I've been a bit absent around here, so I'm just getting up to date. I've been reading some of the other stuff about variations in pronunciation....
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YDerwydd@...
Oct 8, 1999 10:25 pm
In a message dated 10/8/99 7:50:28 AM, you wrote: <<In Australia, the words 'hot' and 'heart' are two very different words, but I get the impression that in...
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RSRICHMOND@...
Oct 8, 1999 11:10 pm
In a message dated 10/8/99 11:50:24 AM, Andy Callaway wrote: <<I've been reading some of the other stuff about variations in pronunciation. I, too have struck...
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hal9000@...
Oct 12, 1999 8:30 pm
Some of you must be accessing this group differently from me. I access it over the web, and there is a toolbar item that says "Vault." It's just a little...
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hal9000@...
Oct 12, 1999 9:30 pm
Texas (rather a frying-pan/fire situation with regard to dialect). I'm ignorant of RP, but I have always tried to have high standards in grammar and...
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RSRICHMOND@...
Oct 13, 1999 1:23 am
Hal notes that he pronounces the word "err" to rime with "fair", while the Shaw Alphabet reading and writing key clearly means for it to be pronounced to rime...
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Daniel G. Szczurek
twojbrat@...
Oct 13, 1999 5:14 am
Dear Hal, I had to figure out that "err" business, too. I'm a Midwesterner with a father (I don't use his name) from Missouri (say: Muh-ZUR-uh) and a mother...
... Sorry about that. It was meant to be temporary only. Cheers, Philip Philip Newton ... Datenrevision GmbH a gedas company Cuxhavener Straße 36, D-21149...
I've just noticed that Barbara Smoker, who had a lot to do with the birth of the Shavian alphabet, is to be on the television programme _Living with the...
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Hugh Birkenhead
mixsynth@...
Oct 13, 1999 8:38 pm
Just for those of you who are interested, there is an example of my own Shavian handwriting now available at: ...
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hal9000@...
Oct 13, 1999 9:13 pm
Thanks to all who have replied. One clarification: Attempting to set down pronunciations in writing is problematic in itself, since we do it by referring to...
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RSRICHMOND@...
Oct 13, 1999 9:33 pm
Hugh Birkenhead has a great idea here - more of us should do this. I'd recommend using a heavier pen than he did. Note that the text he uses is Shaw's test...
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Phillip Driscoll
phild@...
Oct 14, 1999 1:00 am
This has been a fascinating discussion. I've lived my entire life in the American Midwest, and I'd never heard of anyone pronouncing "err" as anything other...
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YDerwydd@...
Oct 14, 1999 5:10 am
Hal recently wrote: At least two of you now think that I pronounce "err" as "air" -- but actually I don't. "Err" and "air" are as distinct for me as "ferry" ...
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Hugh Birkenhead
mixsynth@...
Oct 14, 1999 8:25 pm
Is anyone on this list by any chance on the ICQ network? (www.icq.com) Hugh Birkenhead www.funkymusic.co.uk...
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hal9000@...
Oct 14, 1999 9:08 pm
... I am, Hugh. Forgotten my own number though... I have two, and the higher number is the correct one. (Other one I used to use at my old job.) Contact me if...
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Daniel G. Szczurek
twojbrat@...
Oct 14, 1999 11:04 pm
Dear friends, In Chicago and Seattle the words mentioned are sounded the same as well. I have heard dialects where the "e" in "berry" is the same as the "e" in...
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A.M.Callaway
acal@...
Oct 15, 1999 2:00 pm
... [snip] I've had several responses generally informing me that these sounds are distinct. I suppose the CMU dictionary must have them listed as the same for...
