Essential reading (with web links) and input from Ivor Catt ­ an experienced
and thoughtful man.

Roger Eldridge

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Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 18:57:34 -0000
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Subject: [euro-dads&mums] Whither Manhood And Fatherhood

I find that a good understanding of the overall situation comes with reading
the key analysts. However, every year there is an influx of newly excluded
fathers who cannot believe that the crisis is so deep, so they assume that
those who argue for such lengthy study are "making a hobby of it", as one
said. Having failed to master the subject, they can be faced down, but this
takes time. As I said to Eugen recently, they cannot be expected to believe
that so much study, of the books we happen to have read, is necessary. [See
"Key Books", below.]

After gaining a broad grasp of the crisis, there comes the issue of how to
reform the situation. There are crucial decisions to be made. Those without
insight, because lacking background study or experience, will then interfere
with the discussion. Key issues even include "no fault divorce", which is
not agreed among us.
Androgyny is another issue. "Retreat" is another which divides us. See
http://www.electromagnetism.demon.co.uk/retreat01.htm ;
http://www.electromagnetism.demon.co.uk/README.htm . As with my belief that
the law needs to be straightened out, "Retreat" receives cursory dismissal
from nearly all excluded fathers. Some even just assume that the word
"Retreat" means to give up! With that level of application, small wonder
that reform will be slow in coming. Also, there can be no unity among people
who don't bother to read each other's proposals, but just guess at what they
propose, and dismiss them.

Periodically, into the fray, come newly excluded fathers who think our
organisations might be pressured into restoring their children access in a
few months. They then see us as a barrier, not doing our job, and getting in
the way.

Individuals throw money at the problem, of otherwise become martyrs to the
cause. After suffering damage, such individuals assume they have become our
natural leaders, however inappropriate because unskilled. Some of those who
have invested in the problem look for payback, and edge closer to our
institutional adversaries, hoping for funding, but alienating the rest of
us.

Well intentioned men who have not been through the divorce courts think they
know what it is like, but let us down by assuming that the courts cannot be
as atrocious as we say they are.

Those who haven't mastered the apostrophe bury our cause in unschooled
propaganda, so reassuring our adversaries that we lack depth, sophistication
and strength.

Key books.
Melanie Phillips, "The Sex-Change Society", pub. SMF nov99, now republished.
http://www.melaniephillips.com/ http://www.mensrights.com.au/page15p.htm
http://pws.prserv.net/mpjr/mp/books.html ;
http://www.dadi.org/nt_destr.htm . A new Melanie book will come out this
year; "The Ascent of Women".

Patricia Morgan, "Farewell to the Family?", pub. IEA 1995/9, hwu@...
http://www.fulltimemothers.org/newsletters/0999/farewell.htm ;
http://www.care.org.uk/resource/ls/ls950615.htm ;

Erin Pizzey, "Women or Men - Who are the Victims?", pub. Civitas 2000,
books@... ; http://www.bennett.com/ptv/index.shtml

Warren Farrell, "Father and Child Reunion", pub. Penguin Putnam 2001
http://www.ancpr.org/farrell.htm ;

http://www.fathers-rights-child-custody.com/warrenfarrell/farrell-contents.h
tm

Lynette Burrows, "The Fight for the Family", pub. FYC
http://www.famyouth.org.uk ;
http://www.famyouth.org.uk/books/fight_forthe_family.html

Daniel Amneus, "The Garbage eneration", pub. Primrose 1990;
http://www.mugu.com/cgi-bin/Upstream/Library/Amneus/garbage/ ;

David Thomas, "Not Guilty", pub. Weidenfeld .... 1993 ;
http://www.backlash.com/content/gender/1994/11-nov94/page23.html

Christina Hoff Sommers, "Who Stole Feminism? How Women Have Betrayed Women"
Paperback Reprint edition (May 1995) Simon & Schuster (Paper); ISBN:
0684801566 http://www.gendercenter.org/sommers.htm

http://www.newsearching.com/bestseller_book/Who_Stole_Feminism__-_book_by_Ch
ristina_Hoff_Sommers.html
http://hallnonfiction.com/womens_studies/119.shtml

Ivor Catt, "The Hook and the Sting";
http://www.electromagnetism.demon.co.uk/xk1hs1.htm

Norman Dennis, "Rising Crime and the Dismembered Family" pub. IEA 1993
http://www.iea.org.uk/ ; http://www.coronetbooks.com/books/risi3508.html









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> Gerald Rowles says he's been waiting 10 years for men to get angry and
sound
> like it. I agree. I mean Families Need Fathers is 30 years old. The
number
> of fatherless families has grown massively over that time.
> Where are all the dads? Would it be true to say that the total number of
> "interested" ie very slgihtly committed, blokes in the UK is about 2 or 3
> thousand and that of that the number of willing activists might be 250?
Out
> of 54 million people.
> What do other people think. I never see my 7 year old and am boiling mad
> about it but I just don't see the evidence of general concern.
> What do other guys think? I am aware that those replying are going to be
> the titny minority of men who care and do bother but why out of 3 million
> fatherlss families can FNF, the biggest UK group muster 2 thousand at most
> and anyway, FNF is about as dead in the water as it is possible to get.
> Which leaves what?
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