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Re: SUO Ballot with 2 Questions

Hiya,

The question of whether there can be one ontology for any given field
is one that I have already encountered in the field of learning
object metadata.

It is, indeed, a question that has been encountered especially in 20th
century philosophy of language, so there are good grounds from which
to arrive at an informed opinion.

I deal with the question in this presentation:
One Standard for All: Why We Don't Want It, Why We Don't Need It
(It is a PowerPoint (sorry) but it reads like a paper)

http://www.downes.ca/files/one_standard.ppt

I think that the essential point that emerges in such discussions is
that it is not merely a question of language. It is not possible to
simply identify a set of terms and agree on them.

Disagreements in language can be traced to disagreements in a wide
variety of underlying hypothesis, among them including ontology
(Quine), causation (Hanson), explanation (van Fraassen),
categorization (Lakoff) and meaning (Wittgenstein). These five
factors (among others) create a context of discourse, and it is the
context of discourse (the 'pragmatics' (Morris)) that changes the
meanings of the terms in question, changes the very language of
discourse.

Because there is no way around this (aside from a regime of
ontological authoritarianism) any system of representation must adapt
to this, learning, deploying, and teaching new vocabularies, new
semantics, as the need arises.

-- Stephen

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Fri Jun 6, 2003 1:29 pm

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Only a few comments too... In http://suo.ieee.org/email/msg09598.html Pierre Grenon wrote: JLD> Because, no two people or groups share ALL theirs purposes and...
Jean-Luc Delatre
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Jun 5, 2003
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Dear Jean-Luc (and others), I would really appreciate if you could take such a kind of discussion offline - I don't think it is of interest for all members of...
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Jun 5, 2003
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Dear Heiner, I am really bad behaved and I already received such kind of complaints from Dieter Fensel long ago: http://suo.ieee.org/email/msg08155.html But I...
Jean-Luc Delatre
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Jun 6, 2003
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I find this interesting.... more than plain msgs asking for tech issues and announcements about things the propouse of a mailling list is to Promote the...
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I agree with Jean-Luc. If this group starts consisting only of hype and announcements I will immediately unsubscribe. With all respect, Dieter, it seems to me,...
Steven Grant
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Jun 6, 2003
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I am new to the group, but I think the discussion is pertinent. One of the most misunderstood concepts in the semantic web is the concept of ontologies, and...
Renato Rocha Souza
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Jun 6, 2003
12:46 pm

Hiya, The question of whether there can be one ontology for any given field is one that I have already encountered in the field of learning object metadata. It...
downess
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Jun 6, 2003
1:31 pm

Thanks Stephen for your illustrative and insightful message. For me, the question of a universal ontology parallels the search for that elusive universal...
Juan Elevancini
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Jun 6, 2003
6:20 pm

Doug Lenat and the people at Cyc http://www.cyc.com have been industriously working on this kind of problem [albeit, at the level of "common sense"] for about...
Doug Holmes
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Jun 6, 2003
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Lenat, a former computer science professor at both Carnegie-Mellon and Stanford is one of the world's leading thinkers in the world of artificial intelligence,...
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Jun 7, 2003
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