I used it last month on a 20-Watt Stereo tube amp (40 watts total). In that
case, I use a 200-watt bulb. At 200 watts, the voltage to the transformer will
be limited to 2 Amps, which is pretty much the maximum you wanna go. You can
either buy a 200 watt bulb, or parallel two 100 Watters.

It should be stated, too, that if you have a HV transformer (operating at 200+
volts) and it has been in a humid or wet location for a number of years, it
needs to be totally dried out before you apply any power, period.




BD




On Dec 9, 2009, at 5:16 PM, Steve wrote:

> BD,
>
> Does the light bulb thing-a ma-jiggy also work on tube amps?
> I've used it on solid state and it has saved me a couple of times.
>
> Steve
> Indianapolis
>
> --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Duke And Rat <dukenrat@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Duke And Rat <dukenrat@...>
> Subject: [Seeburg Jukebox Information Club] The Amp, The Lightbulb & The
Safety Test.
> To: seeburgjukeboxinformationclub@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 2:54 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Seems to me that a few people have bought jukeboxes this year, and fried their
transformers because the fuse didn't blow in time. Plugging in a box that's been
sitting around for years in a dust filled garage, or one that hasn't seen
service since Ike was president, is not a safe thing to do.
>
> The fact is, fuses don't blow in time when there's a direct short. In fact,
some fuses are designed to take up to TWICE the amount they're rated at, for up
to 2 seconds before they blow. And during those two seconds, your transformer is
suffering a lethal overload.
>
> Using a Variac is great...except. ..without an amp meter, you still could
still crank it up enough to blow the transformer, and not even realize your
doing so.
>
> The answer is an ordinary, 100 watt incandescent lightbulb. As it is designed,
it will limit current to 1 Amp when hooked up in series with your amp. And
unlike a fuse, it works almost instantly--within a few hundred miliseconds.
>
> So I did an experiment (since I don't wanna steal hubcaps anymore.) I
connected an old power transformer through a lightbulb. At first, the bulb
glowed dimly, but with nothing connected to the secondary, it quickly went out.
I put a voltmeter across the two red wires--it measured 657 volts. Then I took a
clip lead and shorted out the two red wires. There was a minor spark, and
immediately the bulb lit up brightly. I measured the voltage across the primary
of the transformer: Less than a volt.
>
> After about 5 minutes, I removed the clip lead short, and the bulb went out. I
measured the secondary again. And it was back up to 650 Volts. The transformer
was cold, but the bulb was hot.
>
> You can operate just about anything for days and even months in this sort of
fashion. If any shorts are gonna develop, the bulb will protect you the instant
it happens.
>
> However, this should not be considered as an alternative in rebuilding your
boxes. It's just a safety precaution.
>
> BD
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

At 12:14 AM +0000 12/10/09, Leon wrote:
>Hi,
>When I power up my Seeburg STD2 Jukebox, The first couple of plays
>seem to drag. However after about two records all see to be well.
>Can anyone point me towards a possible solution?
>Thanks A Bunch,

Gummy oil. The oil goes bad after a few decades. Applying more oil
may not make it work better, since the gummy stuff lingers. But it's
worth a try.

Best to clean out the old stuff, not often easy. A spray solvent such
as carb cleaner will do loosen the deposits, but the gunk still has
to be removed from the mech. It's best to dismantle the offending
things and wipe them off. But that can be far more work that you want
to do.

Be sure to replace the oil after the solvent dries!

Spraying with WD40 is NOT the right way. Keep that stuff far, far
away from moving parts that rely on lubrication.

Not far OT: I once had a mechanism that was frozen solid due to old
oil that had hardened to the consistency of concrete. I had to
disassemble it with a hammer and punch, then clean the parts.
--

--David Forbes, Tucson, AZ
http://www.cathodecorner.com/

Oil---lack of, or improper type used--  Ron Rich

--- On Wed, 12/9/09, Leon <lvf219@...> wrote:

From: Leon <lvf219@...>
Subject: [Seeburg Jukebox Information Club] STD2  Record Drags
To: seeburgjukeboxinformationclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 4:14 PM







 









       Hi,

When I power up my Seeburg STD2 Jukebox, The first couple of plays seem to drag.
However after about two records all see to be well. Can anyone point me towards
a possible solution?

Thanks A Bunch,

























[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

sure will  use 100 or 150 watt lamp ... i use it for testing pa amps all the
time when someone says it "blew up".
dn

--- On Wed, 12/9/09, Steve <jukeboxsteveinindy@...> wrote:

> From: Steve <jukeboxsteveinindy@...>
> Subject: Re: [Seeburg Jukebox Information Club] The Amp, The Lightbulb & The
Safety Test.
> To: seeburgjukeboxinformationclub@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 5:16 PM
> BD,
>  
> Does the light bulb thing-a ma-jiggy also work on tube
> amps?
> I've used it on solid state and it has saved me a couple of
> times.
>  
> Steve
> Indianapolis
>
> --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Duke And Rat <dukenrat@...>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: Duke And Rat <dukenrat@...>
> Subject: [Seeburg Jukebox Information Club] The Amp, The
> Lightbulb & The Safety Test.
> To: seeburgjukeboxinformationclub@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 2:54 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Seems to me that a few people have bought jukeboxes this
> year, and fried their transformers because the fuse didn't
> blow in time. Plugging in a box that's been sitting around
> for years in a dust filled garage, or one that hasn't seen
> service since Ike was president, is not a safe thing to do.
>
> The fact is, fuses don't blow in time when there's a direct
> short. In fact, some fuses are designed to take up to TWICE
> the amount they're rated at, for up to 2 seconds before they
> blow. And during those two seconds, your transformer is
> suffering a lethal overload.
>
> Using a Variac is great...except. ..without an amp meter,
> you still could still crank it up enough to blow the
> transformer, and not even realize your doing so.
>
> The answer is an ordinary, 100 watt incandescent lightbulb.
> As it is designed, it will limit current to 1 Amp when
> hooked up in series with your amp. And unlike a fuse, it
> works almost instantly--within a few hundred miliseconds.
>
> So I did an experiment (since I don't wanna steal hubcaps
> anymore.) I connected an old power transformer through a
> lightbulb. At first, the bulb glowed dimly, but with nothing
> connected to the secondary, it quickly went out. I put a
> voltmeter across the two red wires--it measured 657 volts.
> Then I took a clip lead and shorted out the two red wires.
> There was a minor spark, and immediately the bulb lit up
> brightly. I measured the voltage across the primary of the
> transformer: Less than a volt.
>
> After about 5 minutes, I removed the clip lead short, and
> the bulb went out. I measured the secondary again. And it
> was back up to 650 Volts. The transformer was cold, but the
> bulb was hot.
>
> You can operate just about anything for days and even
> months in this sort of fashion. If any shorts are gonna
> develop, the bulb will protect you the instant it happens.
>
> However, this should not be considered as an alternative in
> rebuilding your boxes. It's just a safety precaution.
>
> BD
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>     seeburgjukeboxinformationclub-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>

BD,
 
Does the light bulb thing-a ma-jiggy also work on tube amps?
I've used it on solid state and it has saved me a couple of times.
 
Steve
Indianapolis

--- On Wed, 12/9/09, Duke And Rat <dukenrat@...> wrote:


From: Duke And Rat <dukenrat@...>
Subject: [Seeburg Jukebox Information Club] The Amp, The Lightbulb & The Safety
Test.
To: seeburgjukeboxinformationclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 2:54 AM


 



Seems to me that a few people have bought jukeboxes this year, and fried their
transformers because the fuse didn't blow in time. Plugging in a box that's been
sitting around for years in a dust filled garage, or one that hasn't seen
service since Ike was president, is not a safe thing to do.

The fact is, fuses don't blow in time when there's a direct short. In fact, some
fuses are designed to take up to TWICE the amount they're rated at, for up to 2
seconds before they blow. And during those two seconds, your transformer is
suffering a lethal overload.

Using a Variac is great...except. ..without an amp meter, you still could still
crank it up enough to blow the transformer, and not even realize your doing so.

The answer is an ordinary, 100 watt incandescent lightbulb. As it is designed,
it will limit current to 1 Amp when hooked up in series with your amp. And
unlike a fuse, it works almost instantly--within a few hundred miliseconds.

So I did an experiment (since I don't wanna steal hubcaps anymore.) I connected
an old power transformer through a lightbulb. At first, the bulb glowed dimly,
but with nothing connected to the secondary, it quickly went out. I put a
voltmeter across the two red wires--it measured 657 volts. Then I took a clip
lead and shorted out the two red wires. There was a minor spark, and immediately
the bulb lit up brightly. I measured the voltage across the primary of the
transformer: Less than a volt.

After about 5 minutes, I removed the clip lead short, and the bulb went out. I
measured the secondary again. And it was back up to 650 Volts. The transformer
was cold, but the bulb was hot.

You can operate just about anything for days and even months in this sort of
fashion. If any shorts are gonna develop, the bulb will protect you the instant
it happens.

However, this should not be considered as an alternative in rebuilding your
boxes. It's just a safety precaution.

BD






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi,
When I power up my Seeburg STD2 Jukebox, The first couple of plays seem to drag.
However after about two records all see to be well. Can anyone point me towards
a possible solution?
Thanks A Bunch,

I have the AY160-SH2...off the tag on the back...was able to read through the
shrinkwrap stuff i used to protect it during storage...will have to completly
un-wrap it to find out the other stuff.  John W

--- In seeburgjukeboxinformationclub@yahoogroups.com, Ron Rich <ronnnrich@...>
wrote:
>
> Johnie,
> Well. what can I say----
> That KPBC thing sounds like it might be a rectifier---
> Hopefully you have an AY-160 and not an AY-160 U model,  as that Tbl Guide
will not cover the "U" model--Look at the back of the phonograph. It should have
an ID tag on it--or look at ALL components for the designations printed on them,
and I can ID the exact model for you--Ron Rich
>
>
> --- On Wed, 12/9/09, johnie w <hound22002@...> wrote:
>
> From: johnie w <hound22002@...>
> Subject: Re: [Seeburg Jukebox Information Club] New Member...
> To: seeburgjukeboxinformationclub@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 11:14 AM
>
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>       I bought the manual from an individual off of Craigslist.. .also a 6X4WA
tube, a #247510 Trip Coil, and a 1 inch square thing with #KPBC2605W on it...it
has AC and +...- marks on it...for 15$...i sent him money to cover shipping and
he threw in 3 ROWE manuals...R- 84, R-85 and Vol 2 for a CD-100B...a good deal i
think since the tube lists for over $10...anyways made a good friend.  John W
>
>
>
> --- In seeburgjukeboxinfor mationclub@ yahoogroups. com, Ron Rich <ronnnrich@
..> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Johnie,
>
> > No problem--you need the Service Manual--I guess that you got that Tbl Guide
on line?--That' s one of the problems of buying on line--you do not get the
"whole package"--
>
> > The Wallbox can be added without to much of a problem, if your juke is
equipped with an RCSU "stepper"--If not, you will also need to add it--  Ron
Rich
>
> >
>
> > --- On Wed, 12/9/09, johnie w <hound22002@ ...> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > From: johnie w <hound22002@ ...>
>
> > Subject: Re: [Seeburg Jukebox Information Club] New Member...
>
> > To: seeburgjukeboxinfor mationclub@ yahoogroups. com
>
> > Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 10:24 AM
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like i need more info than that even...some sort of guide that tells me more
about the electronics without getting into the scematics... basicly what the
different units are...i've noticed all sorts of designations for them.  I
un-wraped it and it is an AY160-SH2... that should identify it more completly...
I'd like to know how much trouble it would be to add a wall box for instance. 
John W
>
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> > --- In seeburgjukeboxinfor mationclub@ yahoogroups. com, Ron Rich
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> > > First suggestion from me, is to buy and read the Service Manuals
!  They are available from www.alwaysjukin. com (and elsewhere)-- I also
might suggest subscribing to that "rag"---
>
> >
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> > > Ron Rich
>
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> > > --- On Wed, 12/9/09, johnie w <hound22002@ ...> wrote:
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> > > Subject: [Seeburg Jukebox Information Club] New Member...
>
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> > > To: seeburgjukeboxinfor mationclub@ yahoogroups. com
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> > >       I just found the group after about a month after buying a 61?
Seeburg...i have it in storage right now but will get the model # and other info
later...when it warms up a bit...located in NE Tx...i have several other
jukes...a 68 Wrulitzer Americana... non-working, 1st one i bought at a garage
sale...a 464 Rockola, working...lol. ..and just purchased a 71 Seeburg USC-2 i
need to pick up Thursday along with the internals out of a 78 Rockola.  I guess
the juke-bug has bit me hard!!!  i also like old cars and trucks but not having
a shop and the weather like it is here in Tx lately means i've found another
hobby...i need to re-cap the 61 Seeburg and go from there...all advice
appreciated since i'm very new at all this...only redeming factor is that i was
a radar tech in the USAF back in the 70's so i know a bit about the electronics
side and am mechaical-minded. ..altho at this time...jukeboxes are a mystery to
me...but very much a chalenge.  John
>  W
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Johnie,
Well. what can I say----
That KPBC thing sounds like it might be a rectifier---
Hopefully you have an AY-160 and not an AY-160 U model,  as that Tbl Guide will
not cover the "U" model--Look at the back of the phonograph. It should have an
ID tag on it--or look at ALL components for the designations printed on them,
and I can ID the exact model for you--Ron Rich


--- On Wed, 12/9/09, johnie w <hound22002@...> wrote:

From: johnie w <hound22002@...>
Subject: Re: [Seeburg Jukebox Information Club] New Member...
To: seeburgjukeboxinformationclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 11:14 AM







 









       I bought the manual from an individual off of Craigslist.. .also a 6X4WA
tube, a #247510 Trip Coil, and a 1 inch square thing with #KPBC2605W on it...it
has AC and +...- marks on it...for 15$...i sent him money to cover shipping and
he threw in 3 ROWE manuals...R- 84, R-85 and Vol 2 for a CD-100B...a good deal i
think since the tube lists for over $10...anyways made a good friend.  John W



--- In seeburgjukeboxinfor mationclub@ yahoogroups. com, Ron Rich <ronnnrich@.
..> wrote:

>

> Johnie,

> No problem--you need the Service Manual--I guess that you got that Tbl Guide
on line?--That' s one of the problems of buying on line--you do not get the
"whole package"--

> The Wallbox can be added without to much of a problem, if your juke is
equipped with an RCSU "stepper"--If not, you will also need to add it--  Ron
Rich

>

> --- On Wed, 12/9/09, johnie w <hound22002@ ...> wrote:

>

> From: johnie w <hound22002@ ...>

> Subject: Re: [Seeburg Jukebox Information Club] New Member...

> To: seeburgjukeboxinfor mationclub@ yahoogroups. com

> Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 10:24 AM

>

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>       I did buy the trouble-shooting manual for the 61...but looks to me like
i need more info than that even...some sort of guide that tells me more about
the electronics without getting into the scematics... basicly what the different
units are...i've noticed all sorts of designations for them.  I un-wraped it and
it is an AY160-SH2... that should identify it more completly... I'd like to know
how much trouble it would be to add a wall box for instance.  John W

>

>

>

> --- In seeburgjukeboxinfor mationclub@ yahoogroups. com, Ron Rich <ronnnrich@
..> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Johnie,

>

> > Welcome !

>

> > First suggestion from me, is to buy and read the Service Manuals ! 
They are available from www.alwaysjukin. com (and elsewhere)-- I also might
suggest subscribing to that "rag"---

>

> > Ron Rich

>

> >

>

> > --- On Wed, 12/9/09, johnie w <hound22002@ ...> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > From: johnie w <hound22002@ ...>

>

> > Subject: [Seeburg Jukebox Information Club] New Member...

>

> > To: seeburgjukeboxinfor mationclub@ yahoogroups. com

>

> > Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 9:04 AM

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> >       I just found the group after about a month after buying a 61?
Seeburg...i have it in storage right now but will get the model # and other info
later...when it warms up a bit...located in NE Tx...i have several other
jukes...a 68 Wrulitzer Americana... non-working, 1st one i bought at a garage
sale...a 464 Rockola, working...lol. ..and just purchased a 71 Seeburg USC-2 i
need to pick up Thursday along with the internals out of a 78 Rockola.  I guess
the juke-bug has bit me hard!!!  i also like old cars and trucks but not having
a shop and the weather like it is here in Tx lately means i've found another
hobby...i need to re-cap the 61 Seeburg and go from there...all advice
appreciated since i'm very new at all this...only redeming factor is that i was
a radar tech in the USAF back in the 70's so i know a bit about the electronics
side and am mechaical-minded. ..altho at this time...jukeboxes are a mystery to
me...but very much a chalenge.  John
  W

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I bought the manual from an individual off of Craigslist...also a 6X4WA tube, a
#247510 Trip Coil, and a 1 inch square thing with #KPBC2605W on it...it has AC
and +...- marks on it...for 15$...i sent him money to cover shipping and he
threw in 3 ROWE manuals...R-84, R-85 and Vol 2 for a CD-100B...a good deal i
think since the tube lists for over $10...anyways made a good friend.  John W

--- In seeburgjukeboxinformationclub@yahoogroups.com, Ron Rich <ronnnrich@...>
wrote:
>
> Johnie,
> No problem--you need the Service Manual--I guess that you got that Tbl Guide
on line?--That's one of the problems of buying on line--you do not get the
"whole package"--
> The Wallbox can be added without to much of a problem, if your juke is
equipped with an RCSU "stepper"--If not, you will also need to add it--  Ron
Rich
>
> --- On Wed, 12/9/09, johnie w <hound22002@...> wrote:
>
> From: johnie w <hound22002@...>
> Subject: Re: [Seeburg Jukebox Information Club] New Member...
> To: seeburgjukeboxinformationclub@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 10:24 AM
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the electronics without getting into the scematics... basicly what the different
units are...i've noticed all sorts of designations for them.  I un-wraped it and
it is an AY160-SH2... that should identify it more completly... I'd like to know
how much trouble it would be to add a wall box for instance.  John W
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later...when it warms up a bit...located in NE Tx...i have several other
jukes...a 68 Wrulitzer Americana... non-working, 1st one i bought at a garage
sale...a 464 Rockola, working...lol. ..and just purchased a 71 Seeburg USC-2 i
need to pick up Thursday along with the internals out of a 78 Rockola.  I guess
the juke-bug has bit me hard!!!  i also like old cars and trucks but not having
a shop and the weather like it is here in Tx lately means i've found another
hobby...i need to re-cap the 61 Seeburg and go from there...all advice
appreciated since i'm very new at all this...only redeming factor is that i was
a radar tech in the USAF back in the 70's so i know a bit about the electronics
side and am mechaical-minded. ..altho at this time...jukeboxes are a mystery to
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Just remove the "thank-you" one and use it--it's not in service if you don't
have a RITS in the phono--BTW--That' a GM part, most dealers still stock--or I
have a few if you really want one--contact me off list-- Ron Rich

--- On Wed, 12/9/09, n2jeepn <dandohrn@...> wrote:

From: n2jeepn <dandohrn@...>
Subject: [Seeburg Jukebox Information Club] STD4 Mardi Gras - Credit window
light box sockets
To: seeburgjukeboxinformationclub@yahoogroups.com
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       I am working on an STD4 and all but one of the light bulb sockets in the
credit window light box are missing. Where can I find replacements for these?

I was hoping the twist in sockets from a pinball machine would fit, but they are
different.



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Johnie,
No problem--you need the Service Manual--I guess that you got that Tbl Guide on
line?--That's one of the problems of buying on line--you do not get the "whole
package"--
The Wallbox can be added without to much of a problem, if your juke is equipped
with an RCSU "stepper"--If not, you will also need to add it--  Ron Rich

--- On Wed, 12/9/09, johnie w <hound22002@...> wrote:

From: johnie w <hound22002@...>
Subject: Re: [Seeburg Jukebox Information Club] New Member...
To: seeburgjukeboxinformationclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 10:24 AM







 









       I did buy the trouble-shooting manual for the 61...but looks to me like i
need more info than that even...some sort of guide that tells me more about the
electronics without getting into the scematics... basicly what the different
units are...i've noticed all sorts of designations for them.  I un-wraped it and
it is an AY160-SH2... that should identify it more completly... I'd like to know
how much trouble it would be to add a wall box for instance.  John W



--- In seeburgjukeboxinfor mationclub@ yahoogroups. com, Ron Rich <ronnnrich@.
..> wrote:

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> Johnie,

> Welcome !

> First suggestion from me, is to buy and read the Service Manuals !  They
are available from www.alwaysjukin. com (and elsewhere)-- I also might suggest
subscribing to that "rag"---

> Ron Rich

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> Subject: [Seeburg Jukebox Information Club] New Member...

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Seeburg...i have it in storage right now but will get the model # and other info
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jukes...a 68 Wrulitzer Americana... non-working, 1st one i bought at a garage
sale...a 464 Rockola, working...lol. ..and just purchased a 71 Seeburg USC-2 i
need to pick up Thursday along with the internals out of a 78 Rockola.  I guess
the juke-bug has bit me hard!!!  i also like old cars and trucks but not having
a shop and the weather like it is here in Tx lately means i've found another
hobby...i need to re-cap the 61 Seeburg and go from there...all advice
appreciated since i'm very new at all this...only redeming factor is that i was
a radar tech in the USAF back in the 70's so i know a bit about the electronics
side and am mechaical-minded. ..altho at this time...jukeboxes are a mystery to
me...but very much a chalenge.  John W

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I am working on an STD4 and all but one of the light bulb sockets in the credit
window light box are missing. Where can I find replacements for these?
I was hoping the twist in sockets from a pinball machine would fit, but they are
different.

Thanks,
Dan

I did buy the trouble-shooting manual for the 61...but looks to me like i need
more info than that even...some sort of guide that tells me more about the
electronics without getting into the scematics...basicly what the different
units are...i've noticed all sorts of designations for them.  I un-wraped it and
it is an AY160-SH2...that should identify it more completly...I'd like to know
how much trouble it would be to add a wall box for instance.  John W

--- In seeburgjukeboxinformationclub@yahoogroups.com, Ron Rich <ronnnrich@...>
wrote:
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> Johnie,
> Welcome !
> First suggestion from me, is to buy and read the Service Manuals !  They are
available from www.alwaysjukin.com (and elsewhere)--I also might suggest
subscribing to that "rag"---
> Ron Rich
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> --- On Wed, 12/9/09, johnie w <hound22002@...> wrote:
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> From: johnie w <hound22002@...>
> Subject: [Seeburg Jukebox Information Club] New Member...
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> Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 9:04 AM
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Seeburg...i have it in storage right now but will get the model # and other info
later...when it warms up a bit...located in NE Tx...i have several other
jukes...a 68 Wrulitzer Americana... non-working, 1st one i bought at a garage
sale...a 464 Rockola, working...lol. ..and just purchased a 71 Seeburg USC-2 i
need to pick up Thursday along with the internals out of a 78 Rockola.  I guess
the juke-bug has bit me hard!!!  i also like old cars and trucks but not having
a shop and the weather like it is here in Tx lately means i've found another
hobby...i need to re-cap the 61 Seeburg and go from there...all advice
appreciated since i'm very new at all this...only redeming factor is that i was
a radar tech in the USAF back in the 70's so i know a bit about the electronics
side and am mechaical-minded. ..altho at this time...jukeboxes are a mystery to
me...but very much a chalenge.  John W
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Welcome !
First suggestion from me, is to buy and read the Service Manuals !  They are
available from www.alwaysjukin.com (and elsewhere)--I also might suggest
subscribing to that "rag"---
Ron Rich

--- On Wed, 12/9/09, johnie w <hound22002@...> wrote:

From: johnie w <hound22002@...>
Subject: [Seeburg Jukebox Information Club] New Member...
To: seeburgjukeboxinformationclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 9:04 AM







 









       I just found the group after about a month after buying a 61? Seeburg...i
have it in storage right now but will get the model # and other info
later...when it warms up a bit...located in NE Tx...i have several other
jukes...a 68 Wrulitzer Americana... non-working, 1st one i bought at a garage
sale...a 464 Rockola, working...lol. ..and just purchased a 71 Seeburg USC-2 i
need to pick up Thursday along with the internals out of a 78 Rockola.  I guess
the juke-bug has bit me hard!!!  i also like old cars and trucks but not having
a shop and the weather like it is here in Tx lately means i've found another
hobby...i need to re-cap the 61 Seeburg and go from there...all advice
appreciated since i'm very new at all this...only redeming factor is that i was
a radar tech in the USAF back in the 70's so i know a bit about the electronics
side and am mechaical-minded. ..altho at this time...jukeboxes are a mystery to
me...but very much a chalenge.  John W



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Hi John,
"Wires" in a Seeburg "R" ( or any model Seeburg) are of little concern. They
seem to be very stable, other than the "power cord" to both the phonograph, and
the WSR. Both of those tend to fray somewhat, and should be replaced if doing
so--
Speaking of three wire cords--it's only my opinion, but I do not ever replace a
two wire cord with a three wire cord. IMHO it gives a false impression that the
machine was checked for safety with a three wire cord installed. Once again, if
safety is of concern, it is my opinion that you are much better off installing a
GFI Circuit cut-off into the wall plug for the phono.
Ballasts are kind of an "iffy" thing--I tend not to fix what's not broken. If
the wires going to and out of the ballast look OK, I do not change them--BTW
that type ballast is still available form Victory Glass, (and others?)--or two
25 watters can replace it--
Since the lamps "plug in" to the "AC Cap" on the WSR, it is possible to remove
the plug from the WSR, and plug directly into the AC on the side of the
phono--however, remember that if that's done, the lamp circuit is not
"switched", nor fused. I would add a 1/2 amp fuse if I did so--
Oil is the most important thing, for these units--I recommend that you use a SAE
20 wt. ND type only, and you follow the chart--but do not use any grease--just a
drop or two of oil in it's place. 
Ron Rich



--- On Wed, 12/9/09, jseejuke <jseejuke@...> wrote:

From: jseejuke <jseejuke@...>
Subject: [Seeburg Jukebox Information Club] Re: The Amp, The Lightbulb & The
Safety Test.
To: seeburgjukeboxinformationclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 8:17 AM







 









       That is great info. Thank you.

Which brings up a question along those lines... I too am new to the Jukebox
world - I have a HF100R which I got in working condition, however I want to make
sure everything is going to continue to keep working correct so I am going
through it bit by bit looking for anything that may cause problems- worn wires
etc.

So, first - since these boxes only have a 2 prong ac plug and wires (not a 3
prong grounded) can and or should you rewire it for a grounded plug or would it
cause problems with the rest of the machine?

And what about the fluorescent light and ballast/starters in these boxes- I have
read that when the ballast goes, it can take out a lot of things. I know that
(at least in my box) it is a "non standard" size but has anyone replaced the old
style ballast/starter and tube with something more modern? Or are these not that
bad to go to the trouble of changing it out? I was even thinking of wiring just
the light circuit to a separate power and switch source so I can just have it
lit up with out having the whole box (amp tubes etc) on constantly.

If anyone has any other ideas for some of us who are new to this hobby - things
to look out for or replace, please let us know.

I do have the service manuals for the machine so I should be covered there.

Thanks!

John "See"



--- In seeburgjukeboxinfor mationclub@ yahoogroups. com, Duke And Rat
<dukenrat@.. .> wrote:

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> Seems to me that a few people have bought jukeboxes this year, and fried their
transformers because the fuse didn't blow in time. Plugging in a box that's been
sitting around for years in a dust filled garage, or one that hasn't seen
service since Ike was president, is not a safe thing to do.

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> The fact is, fuses don't blow in time when there's a direct short. In fact,
some fuses are designed to take up to TWICE the amount they're rated at, for up
to 2 seconds before they blow. And during those two seconds, your transformer is
suffering a lethal overload.

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> Using a Variac is great...except. ..without an amp meter, you still could
still crank it up enough to blow the transformer, and not even realize your
doing so.

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> The answer is an ordinary, 100 watt incandescent lightbulb. As it is designed,
it will limit current to 1 Amp when hooked up in series with your amp. And
unlike a fuse, it works almost instantly--within a few hundred miliseconds.

>

> So I did an experiment (since I don't wanna steal hubcaps anymore.) I
connected an old power transformer through a lightbulb. At first, the bulb
glowed dimly, but with nothing connected to the secondary, it quickly went out.
I put a voltmeter across the two red wires--it measured 657 volts. Then I took a
clip lead and shorted out the two red wires. There was a minor spark, and
immediately the bulb lit up brightly. I measured the voltage across the primary
of the transformer: Less than a volt.

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> After about 5 minutes, I removed the clip lead short, and the bulb went out. I
measured the secondary again. And it was back up to 650 Volts. The transformer
was cold, but the bulb was hot.

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> You can operate just about anything for days and even months in this sort of
fashion. If any shorts are gonna develop, the bulb will protect you the instant
it happens.

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boxes. It's just a safety precaution.

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I just found the group after about a month after buying a 61? Seeburg...i have
it in storage right now but will get the model # and other info later...when it
warms up a bit...located in NE Tx...i have several other jukes...a 68 Wrulitzer
Americana...non-working, 1st one i bought at a garage sale...a 464 Rockola,
working...lol...and just purchased a 71 Seeburg USC-2 i need to pick up Thursday
along with the internals out of a 78 Rockola.  I guess the juke-bug has bit me
hard!!!  i also like old cars and trucks but not having a shop and the weather
like it is here in Tx lately means i've found another hobby...i need to re-cap
the 61 Seeburg and go from there...all advice appreciated since i'm very new at
all this...only redeming factor is that i was a radar tech in the USAF back in
the 70's so i know a bit about the electronics side and am
mechaical-minded...altho at this time...jukeboxes are a mystery to me...but very
much a chalenge.  John W


ps... not sure how to attach a pic of the 61

That is great info. Thank you.
Which brings up a question along those lines... I too am new to the Jukebox
world - I have a HF100R which I got in working condition, however I want to make
sure everything is going to continue to keep working correct so I am going
through it bit by bit looking for anything that may cause problems- worn wires
etc.
So, first - since these boxes only have a 2 prong ac plug and wires (not a 3
prong grounded) can and or should you rewire it for a grounded plug or would it
cause problems with the rest of the machine?
And what about the fluorescent light and ballast/starters in these boxes- I have
read that when the ballast goes, it can take out a lot of things. I know that
(at least in my box) it is a "non standard" size but has anyone replaced the old
style ballast/starter and tube with something more modern? Or are these not that
bad to go to the trouble of changing it out? I was even thinking of wiring just
the light circuit to a separate power and switch source so I can just have it
lit up with out having the whole box (amp tubes etc) on constantly.
If anyone has any other ideas for some of us who are new to this hobby - things
to look out for or replace, please let us know.
I do have the service manuals for the machine so I should be covered there.
Thanks!
John "See"



--- In seeburgjukeboxinformationclub@yahoogroups.com, Duke And Rat
<dukenrat@...> wrote:
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> Seems to me that a few people have bought jukeboxes this year, and fried their
transformers because the fuse didn't blow in time. Plugging in a box that's been
sitting around for years in a dust filled garage, or one that hasn't seen
service since Ike was president, is not a safe thing to do.
>
> The fact is, fuses don't blow in time when there's a direct short. In fact,
some fuses are designed to take up to TWICE the amount they're rated at, for up
to 2 seconds before they blow. And during those two seconds, your transformer is
suffering a lethal overload.
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> Using a Variac is great...except...without an amp meter, you still could still
crank it up enough to blow the transformer, and not even realize your doing so.
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> The answer is an ordinary, 100 watt incandescent lightbulb. As it is designed,
it will limit current to 1 Amp when hooked up in series with your amp. And
unlike a fuse, it works almost instantly--within a few hundred miliseconds.
>
> So I did an experiment (since I don't wanna steal hubcaps anymore.) I
connected an old power transformer through a lightbulb. At first, the bulb
glowed dimly, but with nothing connected to the secondary, it quickly went out.
I put a voltmeter across the two red wires--it measured 657 volts. Then I took a
clip lead and shorted out the two red wires. There was a minor spark, and
immediately the bulb lit up brightly. I measured the voltage across the primary
of the transformer: Less than a volt.
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> After about 5 minutes, I removed the clip lead short, and the bulb went out. I
measured the secondary again. And it was back up to 650 Volts. The transformer
was cold, but the bulb was hot.
>
> You can operate just about anything for days and even months in this sort of
fashion. If any shorts are gonna develop, the bulb will protect you the instant
it happens.
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> However, this should not be considered as an alternative in rebuilding your
boxes. It's just a safety precaution.
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Awesome tip, Duke; thanks!  I've got two LPC-80's in the garage for a winter
project so this is quite timely!

MR

On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:54 AM, Duke And Rat <dukenrat@...> wrote:

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> Seems to me that a few people have bought jukeboxes this year, and fried
> their transformers because the fuse didn't blow in time. Plugging in a box
> that's been sitting around for years in a dust filled garage, or one that
> hasn't seen service since Ike was president, is not a safe thing to do.
>
> The fact is, fuses don't blow in time when there's a direct short. In fact,
> some fuses are designed to take up to TWICE the amount they're rated at, for
> up to 2 seconds before they blow. And during those two seconds, your
> transformer is suffering a lethal overload.
>
> Using a Variac is great...except...without an amp meter, you still could
> still crank it up enough to blow the transformer, and not even realize your
> doing so.
>
> The answer is an ordinary, 100 watt incandescent lightbulb. As it is
> designed, it will limit current to 1 Amp when hooked up in series with your
> amp. And unlike a fuse, it works almost instantly--within a few hundred
> miliseconds.
>
> So I did an experiment (since I don't wanna steal hubcaps anymore.) I
> connected an old power transformer through a lightbulb. At first, the bulb
> glowed dimly, but with nothing connected to the secondary, it quickly went
> out. I put a voltmeter across the two red wires--it measured 657 volts. Then
> I took a clip lead and shorted out the two red wires. There was a minor
> spark, and immediately the bulb lit up brightly. I measured the voltage
> across the primary of the transformer: Less than a volt.
>
> After about 5 minutes, I removed the clip lead short, and the bulb went
> out. I measured the secondary again. And it was back up to 650 Volts. The
> transformer was cold, but the bulb was hot.
>
> You can operate just about anything for days and even months in this sort
> of fashion. If any shorts are gonna develop, the bulb will protect you the
> instant it happens.
>
> However, this should not be considered as an alternative in rebuilding your
> boxes. It's just a safety precaution.
>
> BD
>
>


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Seems to me that a few people have bought jukeboxes this year, and fried their
transformers because the fuse didn't blow in time. Plugging in a box that's been
sitting around for years in a dust filled garage, or one that hasn't seen
service since Ike was president, is not a safe thing to do.

The fact is, fuses don't blow in time when there's a direct short. In fact, some
fuses are designed to take up to TWICE the amount they're rated at, for up to 2
seconds before they blow. And during those two seconds, your transformer is
suffering a lethal overload.

Using a Variac is great...except...without an amp meter, you still could still
crank it up enough to blow the transformer, and not even realize your doing so.



The answer is an ordinary, 100 watt incandescent lightbulb. As it is designed,
it will limit current to 1 Amp when hooked up in series with your amp. And
unlike a fuse, it works almost instantly--within a few hundred miliseconds.

So I did an experiment (since I don't wanna steal hubcaps anymore.) I connected
an old power transformer through a lightbulb. At first, the bulb glowed dimly,
but with nothing connected to the secondary, it quickly went out. I put a
voltmeter across the two red wires--it measured 657 volts. Then I took a clip
lead and shorted out the two red wires. There was a minor spark, and immediately
the bulb lit up brightly. I measured the voltage across the primary of the
transformer: Less than a volt.

After about 5 minutes, I removed the clip lead short, and the bulb went out. I
measured the secondary again. And it was back up to 650 Volts. The transformer
was cold, but the bulb was hot.

You can operate just about anything for days and even months in this sort of
fashion. If any shorts are gonna develop, the bulb will protect you the instant
it happens.



However, this should not be considered as an alternative in rebuilding your
boxes. It's just a safety precaution.









BD

Hi Barry,
If the transformer is getting hot, do not operate it, as it should blow the 8/10
amp fuse, but MAY not blow it in enough time to protect the transformer. 
I don't know what-or if- anything has been done to the speaker sytem, but on the
U-100, the speakers are 16 ohms reflected back to the amp per channel, and
should be connected as you describe. The other terminal strp should be marked
"CV" and should be connected only to "CV" type external speakers. 
I would say that you should have a "pro" look at the amp.
Ron

--- On Tue, 12/8/09, mrshifta1 <barry@...> wrote:

From: mrshifta1 <barry@...>
Subject: Re: [Seeburg Jukebox Information Club] Hybrid Electro-Kicker/Seeburg
Jukebox
To: seeburgjukeboxinformationclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 12:36 PM







 











Thank you Ron, can I trouble you further please? The amp in the machine is a
TSA2-H5, the transformer gets very hot and the amp only pruduces a constant
buzzing from one channel. I see from your other answers that the transformer is
only reacting to other problems, can I check the output of the transformer with
a meter before I discard it as scrap or is repairing the amp a job for the
proffesional only.



You pointed out that the models above mine are different fuse-wise, however, the
fuses in mine all check out okay but as most are soldered in, can I trust a
meter across the ends or could they get continuity via other means. Visually
they all look good.



Finally there apears to be two sets of terminals to connect the speakers to,
which do I use? the ones marked 2,4,8,16,25 or the ones marked stereo/mono?



The machine came with loose speaker leads for external speakers connected to
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Thank you Ron, can I trouble you further please? The amp in the machine is a
TSA2-H5, the transformer gets very hot and the amp only pruduces a constant
buzzing from one channel. I see from your other answers that the transformer is
only reacting to other problems, can I check the output of the transformer with
a meter before I discard it as scrap or is repairing the amp a job for the
proffesional only.

You pointed out that the models above mine are different fuse-wise, however, the
fuses in mine all check out okay but as most are soldered in, can I trust a
meter across the ends or could they get continuity via other means. Visually
they all look good.

Finally there apears to be two sets of terminals to connect the speakers to,
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identified yet). The machine warms up and when a selection is made there are
clicks/buzzes but no action. The motor is running okay. The transformer mounted
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All the fuse reads on it is 8/10.  I checked it with a meter and it reads good. 
A repair guy named Nick said it would be better to just buy another amp then to
repair this one due to the transformer cost and rebuild cost would be more in
the long run.  So I will be looking for one of those 4-9 as you have listed. 
Thank you Ron and all for your info once again.

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> Subject: Re: [Seeburg Jukebox Information Club] TSA9 Amplifier FRIED
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From: rocknrollben <rocknrollben@...>
Subject: Re: [Seeburg Jukebox Information Club] TSA9 Amplifier FRIED
To: seeburgjukeboxinformationclub@yahoogroups.com
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       I checked the fuse and it did not blow.  It is and 8/10 and it looks like
it wanted to blow (black inside).  Is this amp something that can be checked by
any stereo shop in town or is it something that would need to be sent out to a
Seeburg specialist?  Also, are there other TSA amps compatible with the TSA9 in
case I was to find one?



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From: rocknrollben <rocknrollben@...>
Subject: [Seeburg Jukebox Information Club] TSA9 Amplifier FRIED
To: seeburgjukeboxinformationclub@yahoogroups.com
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       OK So I have been wondering where the popping noises from the speakers
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transformer on the amp has fried to a crisp.  Does anyone know if the
transformer burning up would lead to the rest of the unit being destroyed.  I
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I checked the fuse and it did not blow.  It is and 8/10 and it looks like it
wanted to blow (black inside).  Is this amp something that can be checked by any
stereo shop in town or is it something that would need to be sent out to a
Seeburg specialist?  Also, are there other TSA amps compatible with the TSA9 in
case I was to find one?

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transformer burning up would lead to the rest of the unit being destroyed.  I
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no visible sign for this, other than a blown transformer. Do you have the
correct fuse installed? The whole amp needs to be gone over. Sorry we couldn't
warn you about this beforehand, but the info was sketchy.




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> OK So I have been wondering where the popping noises from the speakers were
coming from.  I come home this afternoon from errands to find that the
transformer on the amp has fried to a crisp.  Does anyone know if the
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coming from.  I come home this afternoon from errands to find that the
transformer on the amp has fried to a crisp.  Does anyone know if the
transformer burning up would lead to the rest of the unit being destroyed.  I
don't see any visible components that look burnt.

TSA9 out of my Golden Jet.

Any suggestions?

NO--what are you calling a "muting control" ?   Ron Rich

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From: rocknrollben <rocknrollben@...>
Subject: [Seeburg Jukebox Information Club] Solid State Muting System
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records it does not mute all, some records it mutes normally, and then for
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After using my Golden Jet all night long for the first time I noticed that the
muting control on the amp would do different things sometimes.  For some records
it does not mute all, some records it mutes normally, and then for others it
will start a song, mute it while it's playing, and then bring the volume back
up.  Is this normal operation of this function?

Interesting to note the USA designation of "Driver" transistor gets changed to
"Pilot" transistor in Italy.

Does this mean Italian amps "fly higher" in fidelity?

Just wonderin'...........


By the way, my Italian friend, I crossed your 2N2800 and am not too sure it's
that good of a sub, in that it's only good for up to 35V. That's pretty small.
For drivers/pilots, I use 2N3053 / 40362 for complimentary pairs. They're good
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> POWER- GC114 (CODE 309412 - 6620)   = 2N3614 (England)
> PILOT- SK7442  (CODE 309430 NPN)       = 2N696   (England)  - NTE128 (USA)
> PILOT- SK7443  (CODE 309429 PNP)       = 2N2800 (England)
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