Hi People,

I've been spending the last few days giving the SeaHawk site a
makeover. It's got a new look and colour scheme and much of the
underlying code has been tweaked so it should load a little faster.

Note: If you visited the site shortly before the changes, you may find
that you need to click the refresh/reload button on your browser to
get it to load the revised stylesheet.

During the revisions, I combined a number of the pages in the Boat
Shed section, so, for example, the "Repaint" and "Re-Fit" items now
load as single pages rather than as a linked sequence. There's a host
of pages with subtle updates, as I realised some of the information is
now almost five years old and doesn't fit with that in newer parts of
the site.

I still need to complete the work of checking the older pages. I've
run a link check and every link appears to go to a valid page, but I
know I managed to mess up a few at one stage. Let me know if you find
any link going to somewhere you don't expect! :-)

There's finally a name to the Mystery Yawl seen on Derwent Water:
http://www.seahawk17.plus.com/description/aceofsails.htm
There's similar new information on the Pedro. (Thanks to Ed for this!
Sorry Ed, I've lost your surname.)

A few pages or photographs have had to go missing to provide room for
the new material. I've probably cut a little more than I need to have
done, but that should leave room for some more new material. For
example, I've heard from another US-based SeaHawk owner.

Overall, I do hope you like the changes. Now I need to work on making
it still easier to navigate and improving the search engine rankings!
You can all help with that by adding links to the site in postings on
forums and encouraging web masters to include links to the site.


Greg Chapman
http://www.seahawk17.plus.com
Celebrating the SeaHawk!

Hi Greg
I had posted the photos from the new tiller.
Best Regards
Hannes

Hi Hannes,

On 11 Nov 09 13:10 "niobe08" <h.f1972@...> said:
> new photos from the summer.

The boat looks better and better. Well done!

> sadly, the sailing season in austria is over.

I was out last weekend under a beautiful blue sky, but the wind
dropped away completely and the sun sets so early now, that it was
probably my last trip.

> i build a new tiller, photos coming soon.

Look forward to that!

Greg Chapman
http://www.seahawk17.plus.com
Celebrating the SeaHawk!

new photos from the summer.
sadly, the sailing season in austria is over.
i build a new tiller, photos coming soon.

kind regards
Hannes

I thought I knew all about towing until I just had a look at the DVLA web thingy
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/DriverLicensing/CaravansTrailersCommercialV\
ehicles/DG_4022564 Now I am somewhat confused. What I am sure of is that if you
passed your test before 1/1/97 then you can tow without further complication. An
unbraked trailer (and its load) should not exceed 750Kg and you can tow more if
its got brakes although the recommended maximumum is no more than 85% of the
towing vehicle.
Take your test after that date you have to take another test to tow over 750Kg
(group E)(although there are exceptions to that rule).
I think that is the general idea
Regards
Ian

Thanks Jacqui,

I am an oldie, so I probably have a licence to tow,but my braked trailer has
only 2 wheels, albeit large ones.

Thanks for the advice.

BW
Paul
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: JACQUELINE DAVIES
   To: seahawk17@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 10:31 AM
   Subject: [seahawk17] (unknown)


     Dear All

   Towing is always a difficult one and the law in this area is very complex,
indeed there was a newsreel on this very subject over the summer -  might be
worth checking the BBC website for more info (although I can't remember which
channel it was on it seems to be likely it was on the BBC). The best thing to do
is to look at the government websites for DVLA and Department of Transport or
whatever it's called at the moment. We recently discovered that your insurance
and your driving licence may also restrict your towing ability as John's 25 year
old son was stopped and had his boat impounded a couple of year's ago because
his licence didn't permit him to tow whereas us older folk have towing permitted
on our licences. Weights quoted also refer to laden and unladen vehicles and can
be quite difficult to interpret so I would suggest checking all available
sources. In the meantime, if you have a braked four wheel trailer this also
affects the permissible
   towing weights and is also safer if you're going any distance.

   Hope this helps.

   Regards,

   Jacqui Davies


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Dear All
 
Towing is always a difficult one and the law in this area is very complex,
indeed there was a newsreel on this very subject over the summer -  might be
worth checking the BBC website for more info (although I can't remember which
channel it was on it seems to be likely it was on the BBC). The best thing to do
is to look at the government websites for DVLA and Department of Transport or
whatever it's called at the moment. We recently discovered that your insurance
and your driving licence may also restrict your towing ability as John's 25 year
old son was stopped and had his boat impounded a couple of year's ago because
his licence didn't permit him to tow whereas us older folk have towing permitted
on our licences. Weights quoted also refer to laden and unladen vehicles and can
be quite difficult to interpret so I would suggest checking all available
sources. In the meantime, if you have a braked four wheel trailer this
also affects the permissible
  towing weights and is also safer if you're going any distance.
 
Hope this helps.
 
Regards,
 
Jacqui Davies
 

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Hi Brian,

On 27 Oct 09 00:16 "b" <barip100@...> said:
> The last picture is the void just forward of the pivot point for the
> center board. In my cabin layout its just under the port-a-potty . I
> just barely tore up floor and found this rotten wood. I have some
> 3/4 inch pressure treated wood I can glass in put in there.

I'm not convinced that all that rotten wood is original or needed.

In my boat there's only a very small area of flat "floor" forward of
the internal moulding as it is at the same level as that under the
pivot bolt. Your's seems much larger because it is much higher and
presumably it steps down under the internal moulding. It looks as if
it wasn't properly sealed when the wood was added and that is why,
when the bilges filled, it rotted the wood.

As the raised floor is not high enough to be able to dispense with the
plywood panel that should then rest on the lip of the internal
moulding and supported each side by the sloping hull, I can see no
function for it.  Am I missing something? I wonder if it's something
to do with the four-berth layout that I am not familiar with?

You can see my inside of my hull at:
http://www.gregafloat.plus.com/seahawk/images/cabinfloor.jpg
and at:
http://www.seahawk17.plus.com/description/keel.htm#pivot

Greg Chapman
http://www.seahawk17.plus.com
Celebrating the SeaHawk!

Opps    the photos are in Vermont-USA-Brian


--- In seahawk17@yahoogroups.com, "b" <barip100@...> wrote:
>
> Hello all
>
> I added some photos from the work on the boat. You can see it is painted with
gray high built epoxy paint. One coating so far.  There is also 2 pics showing
one piece of the balsa I used to replace some of the rotten wood. This will have
to me glassed over when all the wood is replaced.
> The last picture is the void just forward of the pivot point for the center
board. In my cabin layout its just under the port-a-potty . I just barely tore
up floor and found this rotten wood. I have some 3/4 inch pressure treated wood
I can glass in put in there.
>
> Brian
>

Hello all

I added some photos from the work on the boat. You can see it is painted with
gray high built epoxy paint. One coating so far.  There is also 2 pics showing
one piece of the balsa I used to replace some of the rotten wood. This will have
to me glassed over when all the wood is replaced.
The last picture is the void just forward of the pivot point for the center
board. In my cabin layout its just under the port-a-potty . I just barely tore
up floor and found this rotten wood. I have some 3/4 inch pressure treated wood
I can glass in put in there.

Brian

I have exactly the same vehicle and also use it to tow. I find reversing
difficult though as the back wheels are close to the tow bar.
Regards Alan


From: duncan curtis
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 5:11 PM
To: seahawk17@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [seahawk17] Re: towing


   We have just towed my Seahawk from Hastings to near Great Yarmouth and back,
with a 1.9 turbo VW transporter campervan. A heavy vehicle which some people say
is underpowered as a campervan ( beds, fridge, kitchen etc ), but which did the
towing job with appropriate sedateness, and great stability. No pulling
problems.. Probably similar power to a 1.6 saloon?

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We have just towed my Seahawk from Hastings to near Great Yarmouth and back,
with a 1.9 turbo VW transporter campervan. A heavy vehicle which some people say
is underpowered as a campervan ( beds, fridge, kitchen etc ), but which did the
towing job with appropriate sedateness, and great stability. No pulling
problems.. Probably similar power to a 1.6 saloon?




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Hi Paul,

On 16 Oct 09 15:12 Paul White said:
> I tow my Seahawk on the road occasionally and more often to launch
> and recover from the boatpark at Rutland Water  My current vehicle
> is a Vauxhall Vectra 1.8  estate, with a towing limit of 1300lbs.
> It seems to do the job reasonably well. The car needs to be changed.
> What's the lowest acceptable towing limit for my next car?

Oops! Apologies for not responding to this sooner. I've had a hectic
time trying to sort out my house sale and some of my mail got
forgotten.

I'm not an expert on towing. I used to use a 1.6 petrol Scenic, but
since putting my boat in the water at the beginning of the season I
have changed to a newer model 1.5dci diesel, which I am hoping will do
as well or better at towing.

Both models are rated as being capable of towing 1200kg. I was told by
the previous owner, when I bought my SeaHawk that he had taken boat
and trailer to a public weigh bridge and it had come out at 960kg.

Certainly, I had no problem in towing with the earlier Scenic, but
some might argue that towing from one side of Norfolk to the other
doesn't really test a car's capabilities to the full.

In the expectation that others have more experinece than I, I have
forwarded your message to the seahawk17 mail list.  I am hopeful that
a subscriber there will have more knowledge.

You can view this message and any replies at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/seahawk17/messages

To follow up any responses you will need to subscribe/join the
list/group.

Greg Chapman
http://www.seahawk17.plus.com
Celebrating the SeaHawk!

Hi all,

?

That Seahawk has previously been moored in Emsworth, just off the dinghy
pontoons. I have never seen her move, and the mast has been only "rudimentary"
ever since I first saw her. From the picture she also has lost her guard rails.

?

One of my (currently Weyfarer-owning) colleagues is interested in finding out
more about her, having sailed in the Solent on Mara in early September and (of
course) been suitably impressed with the Seahawk.

?

Unfortunately I know nothing more about the auction boat - she also?displays no
name. Did she lose her mast through a preference for motoring, accident
or?perhps through removal of the mast support in the cabin??Does anyone
recognise her?


Regards,

?

?

Hedley



-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Chapman <greg@...>
To: seahawk17@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 1:36
Subject: Re: [seahawk17] Chichester Harbour Conservancy







Hi Andy,

On 18 Oct 09 10:14 "andy0184220002000" <andy01842@...> said:
> saw this seahawk for sail. the length is wrong!
>
> http://www.conservancy.co.uk/news/view/5/

You're right! Local SeaHawk owner, Hedley Jones, had already sent me a
photograph of this example a while back, though, I confess I can't
recall all he told me a bout it at the time.

I have written informing them of the correct dimension and asking that
any new owner be informed of the site and mail list.

Greg Chapman
http://www.seahawk17.plus.com
Celebrating the SeaHawk!





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Hi Andy,

On 18 Oct 09 10:14 "andy0184220002000" <andy01842@...> said:
> saw this seahawk for sail. the length is wrong!
>
> http://www.conservancy.co.uk/news/view/5/

You're right! Local SeaHawk owner, Hedley Jones, had already sent me a
photograph of this example a while back, though, I confess I can't
recall all he told me a bout it at the time.

I have written informing them of the correct dimension and asking that
any new owner be informed of the site and mail list.

Greg Chapman
http://www.seahawk17.plus.com
Celebrating the SeaHawk!

This looks very much like one of the two or three seahawks in the harbour that
have had their masts chopped down and then they are used for fishing - we ended
up towing (possibly this one) back up the Emsworth channel after the outboard
decided to stop cooling following a fishing expedition - they seemed to be
carrying enough calor gas to prepare a barbecue for everyone on the water !  All
the best , Jacqui & John

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saw this seahawk for sail. the length is wrong!

http://www.conservancy.co.uk/news/view/5/

Hi seahawkers. Just to say Far Cry, the seahawk from Rye, with Duncan and Donald
and others aboard, will be launching from Reedham, on the Yare, on Sunday, for a
weeks boating.  C Sleeping aboard a cruiser from Sandersons ). Just in case any
of you are afloat in that vicinity next week? Call me up on VHF?

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Hi seahawkers. Just to say Far Cry, the boat from Rye, with Duncan and Donald
and others aboard, will be launching from Reedham, on the Yare, on Sunday, for a
weeks boating.  C Sleeping aboard a cruiser from Sandersons ). Just in case any
of you are afloat in that vicinity next week? Call me up on VHS?

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Hi Brian,

On 29 Sep 09 18:03 brian r <barip100@...> said:
> I meant turtled, but could not remember the right expression. That's
> my biggest fear.

I cannot imagine that with the amount of ballast moulded into the keel
that it could possibly stay upside down, even if you found yourself in
the Cape Horn seas needed to get you upside down in the first place.

Mind you, unless you had the cabin shut tight I guess you might then
come up with water in the cabin level with the cockpit threshold and
that might put you low enough in the water to then be fairly easily
swamped by the kind of seas that must then be all around.

Best not to try going round the Horn with the cabin open, is all I'd
say.

Greg Chapman
http://www.seahawk17.plus.com
Celebrating the SeaHawk!

Thanks

I meant turtled, but could not remember the right expression. That's my biggest
fear. I sould go out and take some pictures of the repairs so far. I'm not going
to make it in the water this year. Maybe this spring. The topside is all set for
the two part epoxy primer.

Brian

--- On Mon, 9/28/09, Greg Chapman <greg@...> wrote:

From: Greg Chapman <greg@...>
Subject: Re: [seahawk17] Flipping
To: seahawk17@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, September 28, 2009, 12:49 PM






 





                   Hi Brian,



On 28 Sep 09 18:22 "b" <barip100@yahoo. com> said:

> Has anyone ever rolled over one of these in the water before?



Do you mean laid flat or turned completely turtle?



Until a couple of years ago I would have said it was unlikely, but

then I got a report of someone having got one laid horizontal off the

North Norfolk coast.



I gather it was a Moore's boat with a main sheet fitted with a jamming

cleat. The jamming cleat was found in a boat jumble sail was my

contact was told the story about why it was for sale.



Off-shore, the owner realised a squall was approaching as a couple of

dighies up wind filled over, but he was too late to flip his sheet out

from between the cleat's jaws and over he went. He said it righted

immediately without drama and he carried on sailing, but vowed never

to cleat his main again.



Thinking about it I am certain that before the Mistral Craft built

boats were approved they would have been tested for righting ability

as part of the then new European RCD (Recreational Craft Directive)

regulations. I gather that the requirements of the RCD that led to the

keel lifting mechanism being in the cockpit on their boats, not in the

cabin and why they have certain sealed buoyancy compartments. I'm

still to get inside a Mistral boat to get photographs.



If there's an owner of one reading this, please let me know!



Greg Chapman

http://www.seahawk1 7.plus.com

Celebrating the SeaHawk!





























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Hi Brian,

On 28 Sep 09 18:22 "b" <barip100@...> said:
> Has anyone ever rolled over one of these in the water before?

Do you mean laid flat or turned completely turtle?

Until a couple of years ago I would have said it was unlikely, but
then I got a report of someone having got one laid horizontal off the
North Norfolk coast.

I gather it was a Moore's boat with a main sheet fitted with a jamming
cleat. The jamming cleat was found in a boat jumble sail was my
contact was told the story about why it was for sale.

Off-shore, the owner realised a squall was approaching as a couple of
dighies up wind filled over, but he was too late to flip his sheet out
from between the cleat's jaws and over he went. He said it righted
immediately without drama and he carried on sailing, but vowed never
to cleat his main again.

Thinking about it I am certain that before the Mistral Craft built
boats were approved they would have been tested for righting ability
as part of the then new European RCD (Recreational Craft Directive)
regulations. I gather that the requirements of the RCD that led to the
keel lifting mechanism being in the cockpit on their boats, not in the
cabin and why they have certain sealed buoyancy compartments. I'm
still to get inside a Mistral boat to get photographs.

If there's an owner of one reading this, please let me know!

Greg Chapman
http://www.seahawk17.plus.com
Celebrating the SeaHawk!

Has anyone ever rolled over one of these in the water before?

Brian

Hi Folks,

It must be coming to that ttime of year again...

The What's New page says:

-----------------------------------
8 September 2009

On the For Sale page, Three boats are newly advertised. These are
lying in the Hampshire and Solent areas and at Martham on the Norfolk
Broads.

-----------------------------------

As ever, links to the various items are at:
http://www.seahawk17.plus.com/whatsnew.htm

(If I don't get a complaint from the site's host that I'm over quota
again, I'll add new information about the "Pedro" and "Ace of Sails".)

Greg Chapman
http://www.seahawk17.plus.com
Celebrating the SeaHawk!

>
> Greg could well be right and it is a Pedro without sailing rig.

Yes, I think you are both correct, and I was mistaken.

I had another look at the Pedro pictures and the deck arrangement is very
similar to what I saw. The bit that fooled me was a ship's wheel set into the
front wall of the cockpit on the starboard side of the companionway, along with
engine controls - a very good job of conversion to motor cruiser as there was no
sign of the boat's previous life.

What a waste of a good sailing boat!

Regards,


Hedley

Greg could well be right and it is a Pedro without sailing rig. Where we go on
the Fal at Malpas there is a Pedro on a mooring just by the slipway which has
been totally converted to a motor/fishing boat. Next time I'm down I'll take a
photo.
I have always looked on the Pedro as the motor/sailer version of the Seahawk and
I think a few Pedro owners go the whole hog and abandon the sailing element
altogether. With its greater headroom in the cabin and no centreboard to worry
about it makes a good cruiser under power alone.
Having said that, it also sails acceptably.
Regards
Stephen

Hi Hedley,

On 01 Sep 09 13:11 "thejoneshouse" <hedley@...> said:

> I recently took Mara for a holiday in Dartmouth, Devon, where I
> managed to get a visitors mooring for her at Dittisham for 2 weeks.

I failed to get to Falmouth which I'd half promised my niece I would
do to stay with them, so I'm jealous!  :-)

> This was a motor cruiser with a Seahawk hull. Unfortunately I did
> not have a camera on me at the time, so do not have a photo. However
> it was clearly a Seahawk hull in every detail (except the hole for
> the drop keel), as I had Mara on hand to compare it to.
>
> Is this possibly the use to which the moulds have been put since
> 2004?

I'd be surprised it it was. My understanding is that the moulds were
set on fire by a farmer fed up with them being left on his land in
around 2006.

The keel makes it the wrong shape for any purposeibuilt cruiser. I'd
guess it's much more likely to be home-built conversion that has just
had the rig removed. Have a look at the Pedro or mystery Yawl (which I
now know was sold as the "Ace of Sails"). Neither of these boats have
a drop keel and their higher cabin and deeper windows might give the
cruiser look you saw?

http://www.seahawk17.plus.com/description/pedro.htm
http://www.seahawk17.plus.com/description/yawlrig.htm

Greg Chapman
http://www.seahawk17.plus.com
Celebrating the SeaHawk!

Hi Greg,

I recently took Mara for a holiday in Dartmouth, Devon, where I managed to get a
visitors mooring for her at Dittisham for 2 weeks.

When recovering her I noticed a familiar shape amongst the trailered boats in
the dinghy park, next to the public ramp where the Dartmouth upper ferry lands.
This was a motor cruiser with a Seahawk hull. Unfortunately I did not have a
camera on me at the time, so do not have a photo. However it was clearly a
Seahawk hull in every detail (except the hole for the drop keel), as I had Mara
on hand to compare it to.

Is this possibly the use to which the moulds have been put since 2004?

Sorry about the lack of picture, but we were de-rigging at the time whils parked
on a double yellow line, so we were working fast...

Regards,


Hedley

Hi Brian

On 01 Sep 09 02:03 "barip100" <barip100@...> said:
> While removing the soaked balsa wood from the top of the cabin< I
> found that the ridges that protrude on each side are hollow. I would
> think this would allow for condensation to occur and soften if
> topside. Has anyone else has had the rot issue I have?

Have you seen:

http://www.seahawk17.plus.com/boatshed/fittings.htm#deck

where a Belgian owner reported something similar.

Don't know about your roof ridge condensation theory, but I am
convinced that the solution is in fully sealing the balsa core before
inserting any fitting. If you just rely on sealing the fitting to the
outer skin any breaks in the outer skin seal may not be visible
internally until much damage has been done to the balsa core.

Greg Chapman
http://www.seahawk17.plus.com
Celebrating the SeaHawk!

While removing the soaked balsa wood from the top of the cabin< I found that the
ridges that protrude on each side are hollow. I would think this would allow for
condensation to occur and soften if topside. Has anyone else has had the rot
issue I have?

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/seahawk17/photos/album/1886372798/pic/2036410952/v\
iew?picmode=medium&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&dir=asc

All the drooping glass work has been cut out and now I am drying it out.  I will
order 3/8" balsa to replace.

Brian