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Hi All,

This afternoon, the Orlando Scrum User Group (http://www.orlandoscrum.org)
posted on their site that they are having to close up shop because they were
asked to sign a licensing agreement and branding image for their group, and that
the SA had laid claims to the term "Scrum User Group".

Can anyone comment on if this is the case for all user groups? Not trying to
stir up the pot, just find out the story behind what happened.

--
Cory Foy
http://www.cornetdesign.com
http://www.agileflorida.com




Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:53 pm

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Hi All, This afternoon, the Orlando Scrum User Group (http://www.orlandoscrum.org) posted on their site that they are having to close up shop because they were...
Cory Foy
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Apr 29, 2009
6:53 pm

... If true, that's sucks, and it makes me sad. If true, I'd like to see the agreements since I am helping the Greater Phoenix Scrum User Group get going. ...
Alan Dayley
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Apr 29, 2009
7:11 pm

... Change 'Scrum' to 'Agile' and you should be OK. -- Dave Rooney Mayford Technologies "Helping you become AGILE... to SURVIVE and THRIVE!" ...
Dave Rooney
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Apr 29, 2009
7:16 pm

+1. Don't panic....
davenicolette
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Apr 29, 2009
7:41 pm

They probably got the same thing I did. I have to confess that I didn't read the agreement yet, but here it is....
Amanda Abelove
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Apr 29, 2009
7:23 pm

Whow…this time they have really outdone themselves. Good Job SA! As this is only a US "number" I will happily ignore it :) Not to mention how that might...
David H.
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Apr 29, 2009
7:31 pm

I mean, I don't get it... at first glance it just looks like a badge license agreement... I think it's cool that they are trying to do outreach, but I don't...
Amanda Abelove
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Apr 29, 2009
7:32 pm

... That agreement makes it quite unclear whether thay arer licensing the actual words "Scrum User Group" or the words within the mark that is shown in the...
David H.
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Apr 29, 2009
7:36 pm

Yeah but we're branded "Scrum Club" based on the movie Fight Club... So I have the word Scrum in *everything*... Our email addresses, bumper stickers, ...
Amanda Abelove
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Apr 29, 2009
7:46 pm

Nice-looking site. Because scrum is a common word, it will be difficult for Scrum Alliance to enforce any claims for money for the use of the word if the...
davenicolette
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Apr 29, 2009
7:57 pm

I think that's my to-do item for tonight. Here's the thing I don't get... When you license a community program, it's supposed to be part of a larger PR effort...
Amanda Abelove
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Apr 29, 2009
8:52 pm

I've referred this to Jim Cundiff, the managing director of the ScrumAlliance, for comment. Hold your breath, Ken...
Ken Schwaber
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Apr 29, 2009
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I just *barely* managed to get course materials together for Fall to teach students who are working on non-profit projects in the inner city how to get a new...
Amanda Abelove
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Apr 29, 2009
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... Thank you, Amanda. I'll have to read and think on it tonight. Alan...
Alan Dayley
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Apr 29, 2009
7:40 pm

Hi, Amanda. On Wednesday, April 29, 2009, at 3:22:10 PM, you ... I think if you'll read it, you'll find that much of your panic has been wasted. The SA just...
Ron Jeffries
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Apr 30, 2009
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Hi Ron, ... I don't think it's about them asking the groups not to do certain things. It's about them: 1) Asking them to sign a document 2) Misrepresenting...
Cory Foy
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Apr 30, 2009
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Hello, Cory. On Thursday, April 30, 2009, at 7:16:26 AM, you ... A long time ago I had a conversation with Kent in which he said that he had considered...
Ron Jeffries
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Apr 30, 2009
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... I think there is a difference between trademarking "Scrum" and "Scrum User Group". Cheers, Ilja...
Ilja Preuß
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Apr 30, 2009
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Hello, Ilja. On Thursday, April 30, 2009, at 8:01:19 AM, you ... I think there is a similarity between trademarking "Scrum" and "Scrum User Group". Ron...
Ron Jeffries
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Apr 30, 2009
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... Yes, indeed there is - neither should be accepted by the Patent Office due to prior use. <ducking> -- Dave Rooney Mayford Technologies "Helping you become...
Dave Rooney
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Hello, Dave. On Thursday, April 30, 2009, at 8:45:41 AM, you ... Works for me ... Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com www.xprogramming.com/blog Knowledge must...
Ron Jeffries
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Apr 30, 2009
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Hi Ron, ... I have no problems with Trademarks /per se/. They are a necessary part of business. And I have no problem with companies saying things like, "Scrum...
Cory Foy
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Apr 30, 2009
1:26 pm

... Why? All you'd have to do is change a word here and there. Cheers, Dave...
davenicolette
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Apr 30, 2009
12:03 pm

The Following is from Jim Cundiff, Managing Director at Scrum Alliance. Sorry if our earlier responses came off a little legalese sounding that was not our...
howardsublett
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Apr 30, 2009
10:28 pm

Dear Jim. Why should any one sign an agreement for a Service Mark which has not been granted yet? None withstanding that, if you read the original application...
David H.
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Apr 30, 2009
10:35 pm

Hi Ron, If this is so, why not just publish the letter so we can all decide for ourselves? On this forum would be a good place to start. I've followed the...
beckfordp@...
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May 2, 2009
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In the end, the Scrum Alliance is just a bunch of people doing their best to promote improvement in the way software organizations do their work. I am a member...
Tobias Mayer
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May 2, 2009
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Hello, Beckfordp. On Saturday, May 2, 2009, at 4:13:02 PM, you ... It was published. ... I'm sure he's grateful for your opinion, and for your assumption of ...
Ron Jeffries
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May 2, 2009
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Hi Beckford, ... As others have pointed out, it was published, both here and on the SA site. In addition, I posted a copy of the one that was posted here to...
Cory Foy
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