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Re: [scrumdevelopment] While were on the subject of tests...

I took it. 

Firstly, there's some feedback on the test from the gathering blog (http://gatheringblog.scrumalliance.org/), here: http://gatheringblog.scrumalliance.org/?p=69

Personally I found the test fairly good. I don't have much of a problem with "recollection" questions to a certain extent, as it proves you can remember something! There was a mix of these and the other types, and overall the balance was pretty good.

There were plenty of speeling mistaks and bits and bobs, though they of course are no big deal.

I was pleased to see questions aimed squarely at an understanding of the Agile Manifesto, even though it was a Scrum-specific test. On the other hand there was one question about "The Agile Manifesto, by Ken Schwaber" - I left some feedback that I was fairly sure it wasn't just Ken who wrote it ;)

There were a number of times that the "it depends" answer would pop up in my head. Personally though, I think that's because I've been doing Scrum for a while now, and have more experience in it then you would expect a newly-taught CSM candidate to have. Since a CSM certification is supposed to be mainly for new-to-Scrum (and maybe new to Agile) people, I'm not sure the "it depends" answer would occur to them, or at least the training they had just received would dominate their thinking.

Whether it will satisfy the rest of the Agile community's beef with the CSM certification? Well, given the myriad of opinions out there, probably not. But as a test to try and make sure the CSM certification means you did more than sit in a room for two days not learning anything it does a good job.

Fairly hand-wavy answer there, I hope it gives you some useful information of some kind :)

Cheers,
Simon

On 26 Oct 2008, at 08:06, peterstev wrote:

[Sorry if this is a duplicate -- I thought I posted this but it seems to
have disappeared without a trace]

Who took the Beta CSM Test in Stockholm? What did you think of the test?

Cheers,

Peter



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[Sorry if this is a duplicate -- I thought I posted this but it seems to have disappeared without a trace] Who took the Beta CSM Test in Stockholm? What did...
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I took it. Firstly, there's some feedback on the test from the gathering blog (http://gatheringblog.scrumalliance.org/ ), here:...
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Who took the Beta of the CSM test in Stockholm last week? What did you think of it? Cheers, Peter -- Peter Stevens, CSM, CSP ...
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... There is a CSM test now? You got to be shittin' me.... -d -- Sent from gmail so do not trust this communication. Do not send me sensitive information here,...
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Not only a test, but a Beta! :P Ivan...
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David, Before you fly off the handle and throw offensive words out into cyberspace, maybe you can take a little time to find out what that test actually is. ...
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... Tobias. ... There were no offensive words in that post. I paraphrased a common north american moniker to express my surprise in a slightly sarcastic ...
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My hope is that is will separate the wheat from the chaff, and result in fewer, smarter CSMs.  We shall see. ... From: David H. <dmalloc@...> Subject:...
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Hi Tobias, ... Well, +1 for that aim. It will always be true that we could all be smarter. And thinner and richer. And braver. And more compassionate. ...
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... Well, I don't know about ScrumMasters, but with the most important root cause for *managers* I have seen is ... values. Not a big surprise, if you think...
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... Joe, type is not destiny. If you think that certain MBTI types are suitable to be scrummasters and others aren't, then I think your understanding of MBTI...
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Hello David, ... Some people are more sensitive than others. I found your turn of phrase offensive. But that's maybe just me. Alan...
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... I thought it was kinda funny... but that's just me. Dave Rooney Mayford Technologies "Helping you become AGILE... to SURVIVE and THRIVE!" ...
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Taking such offense at something like that implies that you feel the 'offender' was trying to be offensive. Perhaps this is a little judgemental and you are...
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Hi, I agree with Tobias. The proposed test is a small help in getting people a bit further up the learning curve. It definitely has limitations. But these ...
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Hmm. I could be wrong as to what I am about to say, but then again, I could be right But how and who made up these questions? More over who is going to move...
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... Hi Mike, I guess this is how I feel about the test.. Testing and certifications are part of the norming process. 'As a customer (hiring manager, C-level...
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Hi Peter What "C" level types as well as their boards of directors ask of me is a little bit more than 'am I certified' or even if I am a master of some trade ...
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Hello, Mike. On Monday, October 27, 2008, at 9:23:18 AM, you ... Well, at least you're unbiased. I have some questions: 1. Why are courses that give...
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Disclaimer: I haven't seen the test in question, so my point of view is a rather generic one... ... I guess feedback on that could be valuable. Especially if...
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Hello, Ilja. On Monday, October 27, 2008, at 10:39:19 AM, you ... I'm not sure there is value to the failing person. But if there were a test in surgery and...
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... If doctors would rely on a single tests, or even would mainly rely on a single test, I'm not sure I'd want to get surgery at all. Especially if the test...
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... I'm not sure about motivation, though I have to say that when I fail a test I want to do better, so for people who want to improve, failure would likely...
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... The inertia of the CSM is by far not as unstoppable as that of waterfall, or so it seems to me. Which doesn't mean that I want to stop it. I'd be delighted...
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... Hi Ilja I didn't mean to imply you were a test-hater, or were writing you off in any way, so I apologise if I made you feel that way. I agree...
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... OK, thanks. :) ... Good! :) ... To the amount that it is a test that you can fail/pass, yes, I think it's likely going to cause more damage. To me, the...
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Hello, Ilja. On Tuesday, October 28, 2008, at 12:47:15 PM, you ... Why would that be? Wouldn't a test tend to weed out people who are particularly...
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... True, the actual significance will rise. I'm not convinced that it will rise a lot. Had to see the test to have a better feel for it. What I fear is that...
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... It's important to distinguish between extrinsic and intrinsic motivation here. I'd guess that the people one would want are those with intrinsic motivation...
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