I have been reading a lot of "success stories" recently of distributed teams doing Scrum. I don't buy it, so I wrote this blog post as an antidote: Distributed Teams are not Teams.
I have been reading a lot of "success stories" recently of distributed teams doing Scrum. I don't buy it, so I wrote this blog post as an antidote:...
Sorry, Tobias, I don't buy it. I just cannot agree that '... the real world ...' is some sort of excuse for not doing things 'properly'. The real world is the...
Roy Morien
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Jul 18, 2008 11:27 am
... I do not think that has anything to do with you. You are doing your best and that has to be acknoweldge, but what you do is sub-optimal from co-location....
Hi Roy, Are we getting two different questions tangled up, I wonder? Most "real world" projects are of sufficient scope that they aren't handled by a single,...
I think the point Tobias is making is that: To convert a given team that is distributed, to a co-located team, is a really worthwhile goal. Further,...
Hi Srinivas, I love the term "planet-sized impediment :-) And yes, that is indeed one of the points I was making. Although not the only point -- see my other...
... This is true and we have an opportunity to influence the real world. I think everyone has seen at least one project bigger than it needs to be, leading to...
I would summarize my point of view on this topic as: * Normally collocation with Scrum (and some basic Agile practices) doubles your productivity (if you do it...
... This kind of talk is insulting and unwise. I wish you and others who like to call names instead of discussing ideas would stop it. Ron Jeffries ...
I agree that something special happens in physically co-located teams. What I'm less sure about is how much they are possible when other forces must be...
Robert, The situation you describe strikes a chord, because I'm working with a team just now that is in exactly that situation. The developers on the project...
Dave, ... "walking skeleton" of the solution in release 1. (I'm not sure who came up with the "walking skeleton" metaphor. I want to say it was Tom ...
Hi Dave: Seems very reasonable to me. I mentioned there some other cases I think we should consider. Here are two more: * The customer-side people in the team...
Hello, Robert. On Saturday, July 19, 2008, at 11:24:49 AM, you ... First I want to quibble. Then gripe. Then offer amelioration. ... "Cannot"? I'd buy "will...
I'm not sure what you mean by the can/will distinction: I did indeed mean can, or rather cannot. I agree than many cases of non-co-location arise from (unwise)...
Just to be a little more clear about my "cannot" claim: I am suggesting that there are cases where some people effectively have to be part of more than one...
Hello, Robert. On Saturday, July 19, 2008, at 9:43:45 PM, you ... In the cases you mentioned, what makes you think that the organizations literally /cannot/...
It might just be we have slightly different meanings in mind. I say "cannot" meaning things such as: * cannot be in two places at once * cannot do without...
... Mmm, OK. As there is little practical difference between cannot and will not, there's probably not much point in drilling further. Ron Jeffries ...
Both words can be problematic. For example, sometimes people use "will" to involve some kind of volition. Other times to suggest inevitability. Some people...
... Yes. Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com We know less about the project today than at any time in the future. -- Chet Hendrickson You mean today is the...
Hi Robert, Please give us the examples you are thinking of. And, in a friendly way, I challenge you to consider whether it is not ultimately a question of will...
... not being collocated (in the right way). I think this identification of the issue as lack of understanding may itself sometimes be a lack of understanding....
I've given three cases, so I'm not sure which one you are addressing. The reason I am saying it is a question of possibility, rather than volition, is that...
Ron, As usual, excellent comments (which doesn't need me to point out, but..Thanks!). Three other comments to ameliorate: * Collocate the team for a brief...
... Agreeing and extending, I just ran into a phrase the other day that on previous days I have bothered to accept (even probably to say), but on this day I...
Alistair, ... (1) Will you change the office seating to colocate? No. ... Good to hear. This is exactly what I am talking about. All consultants of...
Hello, aacockburn. On Sunday, July 20, 2008, at 10:39:53 AM, you ... Especially that latter one. I'd be willing to work around colocation, though I tell...
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